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>A story very similar to that of David and Goliath appears in the Iliad, written circa 760–710 BCE, where the young Nestor fights and conquers the giant Ereuthalion.
>Most scholars agree that the Philistines were of Greek origin, and that they came from Crete and the rest of the Aegean Islands or, more generally, from the area of modern-day Greece.
>narrative formulae such as the settlement of battle by single combat between champions has been thought characteristic of the Homeric epics (the Iliad) rather than of the ancient Near East. The designation of Goliath as a איש הביניים, "man of the in-between" (a longstanding difficulty in translating 1 Samuel 17) appears to be a borrowing from Greek
>the original meaning of Goliath's name would be "Lion-man," thus placing him within the realm of Indo-European warrior-beast mythology.
Why did nobody tell me the Philistines were just Dark Age Greeks and that Goliath is supposed to be Hercules

>> No.21506721

Why do you think they said to start with the Greeks?

>> No.21507188
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21507188

>>21506673
Oh anon, you are not giving to be happy when you read Gilgamesh.

>> No.21507200

>>21507188

This feels like some sort of blackpill

>> No.21507227

>>21506673
>Why did nobody tell me the Philistines were just Dark Age Greeks and that Goliath is supposed to be Hercules
It's the opposite desu.

>> No.21507441

>>21506673
The entire story of David and Goliath is just a massive jewish cope for being conquered by superior indo-european tribes.

>> No.21507465

The experts a person chooses to believe tell you everything you need to know about them.

>> No.21508060

>>21506673
I don't know. The dishonor of what David does falls more in line with the usual hebrew stories where the 'hero' is a villain or is anyway dishonorable and not virtuous (accepting a melee fight, waiting until your opponent takes off his helmet and then going in with ranged weaponry).

>> No.21508765

>>21506673
wasn't david a gay little shithead fruitcake?

>> No.21508791

>>21507188
I loved the Epic of Gilgamesh but since it's so broken it reads like watching the greatest movie ever made on a super scratched dvd that keeps skipping

>> No.21508858

>>21508791
Yes, it was very good. But so many good parts are missing, especially the fight with enkidu, I bet that was, well, epic.

>> No.21508995

>>21506673
congrats, you've taken a big step (a step that the vast majority are too timid to take because it conflicts with what they learned in public school and church).
there's tons of other examples of greek myths overlapping with hebrew/phoenician biblical "history".
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-gSYCPPKnwzHnEiBndgB-ZPUHXEduOziDoQFhTxSPCs/pub
>King David as the Theban (greek version) Cadmus.
the author of that version has about a dozen other essays with other examples which can be found here:
https://www.academia.edu/