/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21492323]

Let’s have a debate, /lit/.

Subject: do aliens exist?

Go!

[Anonymous No.21492327]

yes. debate over.

[Anonymous No.21492328]

>>21492327
Noep

Life started exactly once in 4.5 billion years on earth. That heavily implies it’s a one off event.

[Anonymous No.21492337]

>>21492328
>That heavily implies it’s a one off event.
It doesn't imply that in the slightest, where on earth did you get that idea? An almost infinite number of other planets also exist, and they also exist for billions of years. Of course a viable random configuration can and will happen elsewhere. Very, very rarely, but it's impossible that it wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.21492350]

>>21492337
“Nearly infinite” is an oxymoron.

There is not a “nearly infinite” number of planets in the universe.

Best estimates are that there are around 500 billion galaxies in the observable universe, each with anywhere from 100 million to 2 trillion stars. We don’t know how many planets there are, but presumably there is a similar number.

If life starting could happen more than once, it would have on earth in 4.5 billion years.

But it didnt.

[Anonymous No.21492446]

>>21492350
>If life starting could happen more than once, it would have on earth in 4.5 billion years.
why do you keep saying that like it matters? The number of times it started or did not start on earth has no impact whatsoever on the chances of life starting on other planets.

[Anonymous No.21492616]

>>21492350
Early life would have been very awkward by normal biological standards - it wouldn't be able to compete with the products of billions of years of evolution.

The general belief is that proto-life has appeared multiple times, but just as quickly been driven to extinction by competition with existing life.

The fact that life appeared pretty much as quickly as possible is seen as reinforcing this belief. From the moment when life on earth was possible to its appearance was a few hundred million years - something monumentally unusual would have taken a lot longer.

[Anonymous No.21492640]

Jacques Vallée claims that all the evidence points to what we know of as "ayys" being an interdimensional phenomenon.

Haven't looked into his claims meself, but he has a reputation of being the most level-headed UFO researcher out there, and has a strong scientific background.

[Anonymous No.21492977]

>>21492640
Passport to Magonia is 10/10
read that shit

[Anonymous No.21492985]

>>21492328
>The universe is a dark forest. Every civilization is an armed hunter stalking through the trees like a ghost, gently pushing aside branches that block the path and trying to tread without sound. Even breathing is done with care. The hunter has to be careful, because everywhere in the forest are stealthy hunters like him. If he finds other life—another hunter, an angel or a demon, a delicate infant or a tottering old man, a fairy or a demigod—there’s only one thing he can do: open fire and eliminate them. In this forest, hell is other people. An eternal threat that any life that exposes its own existence will be swiftly wiped out. This is the picture of cosmic civilization. It’s the explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

[Anonymous No.21494004]

>>21492323
>If Emanationism, then incorporeal intelligences
You have mainline scientists speculating over 'plasma beings' in the current paradigm tells the tale. Dispose of the 'quantum mechanics' tautology and things get very, very wyrd again (even 'religious')

>>21492640
>"we have the technology to take E.T. home, but it would take a miracle to get it out of the black project world." -- some NASA fag
Splinter breakaway civilization and societies with the ambition to rule like unto gods a world they periodically stamp down the tech development/distribution along with space access is more of a danger than any Ayys coming out to this podunk system on the outer arm of the galaxy.

[Anonymous No.21494098]

>>21492323
I think yes but we never contacted them and it is better this way

[Anonymous No.21494385]

>>21492323
The shape of that cover is very similar to that of the Netherlands. It even has the islands.
>do aliens exist?
They surely exist somewhere, but apparently not so closely and loudly that we can see them.
Robin Hanson has an interesting model: https://grabbyaliens.com/

[Anonymous No.21494395]

Last and First Men by Stapledon was one of the greatest books I ever read

[Anonymous No.21494430]

>>21492328
Apples are red
This heavily implies that oranges are green

[GEM No.21495318]

my dad my aunt and my grandparents saw a huge mothership in '87 and i believe them
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[Anonymous No.21495346]

>>21492323
isn't this supposed to be on /x/
the answer is that even if there are aliens it's rare enough that traveling fast enough to reach places where life has occurred would risk hitting space rocks at such a speed that creating an effective shield for those speeds is impossible.

idk what kind of novel answer you'd be expecting with /lit/ rather than /sci/ or something.

[Anonymous No.21495381]

>>21492323
https://astronomy.com/bonus/zeta
good astronomy read

Best footage and analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6s5RwqnnLM

https://www.3af.fr/global/gene/link.php?doc_id=4566&fg=1

https://www.explorescu.org/post/2013-aguadilla-puerto-rico-uap-incident-report-a-detailed-analysis

Medical Documentation of Close Encounters:
https://www.livescience.com/ufo-report-human-biological-injuries

Good historical read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg

[Anonymous No.21495417]

>>21495346
>creating an effective shield for those speeds

We already have. Ionized mercury plasma moving at high speeds creates a magnetic field. since moving charges do that. that magnetic field coupled with changing electrical fields on the skin of the craft is what creates the effect you are looking for.

https://www.military.com/video/aircraft/military-aircraft/tr-3b-aurora-anti-gravity-spacecrafts/2860314511001

Patent for mercury plasma engine

https://patents.google.com/patent/CN102761296A/en

Here is a literal patent of the Tr3B

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060145019A1/en

US Navy patent of antigravity device

https://www.blopeur.com/2020/05/01/navy-patent-antigravity.html

Small scale demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSIzyk5Mjko&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au4hbUm4mMo&t=11s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyI6__DULf0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtLhninPrtQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fRC7V3KMA4&list=PL9lN82Fv_KyWxblVra2uY_04Sj1cgCBRe&index=6

Large scale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnlaNR0iTek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ZBkTUr5Xc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTIzsMLRQjY

[Anonymous No.21495459]

>>21495381
More historical accounts:

http://www.gfn.or.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=special_aod_07&wr_id=2

https://www.wondersandmarvels.com/2012/06/ancient-flying-saucers.html

Abductions and close encounters of the third kind

https://www.history.com/news/americas-first-ufo-sighting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B4nio_Vilas-Boas

https://astronomy.com/bonus/zeta

[Anonymous No.21495505]

bump

[Anonymous No.21495764]

>>21495417
Except that testing those tolerances for the shield would require accelerating something to speeds the Large Hadron Collider does and placing the shield inside. That we collide hadrons with those things makes me think it's a pretty tall order to have tested something bigger like a pebble and less likely that such a project would be used to test a shield in modern day.
But hey you might have the test results and not just a random patent.

[Anonymous No.21496542]

>>21494004
>Splinter breakaway civilization and societies with the ambition to rule like unto gods a world they periodically stamp down
WTF so Alex Jones was right all along?

[Anonymous No.21496552]

This has nothing to do with literature.
> b-but So krates debated once...
SHUT THE FUCK UP.