How am I supposed to refute pessimism?

[Anonymous No.21488357]

Take Conspiracy Against the Human Race, for example. I have yet to find a single convincing argument against it, only obstinate refusal to even entertain the concept. I don’t want to accept pessimism, but it makes too much sense for me to ignore.

[Anonymous No.21488371]

>>21488357
I will never take it seriously unless the person making the claims kills himself instead of profiting from their little sad boy books.

[Anonymous No.21488427]

>>21488371
Beta Schopenhauer/Cioran vs Alpha Mainländer

[Anonymous No.21488476]

>>21488357
With the proper frame of mind.
Death comes and you’re sad about that or that the journey has bumps and interesting challenges. You’re being a big quivering nutsack.
What do you have to say for yourself OP?

[Anonymous No.21488482]

>>21488371
Part of the suffering is that killing yourself is actually very difficult.

[Anonymous No.21488484]

>>21488357
You refute it by being happy. Arguments are for miserable, failed people.

[Anonymous No.21488485]

>>21488357
I refute pessimism by being happy

[Anonymous No.21488497]

>>21488357
You refute it by having a good time.
>"GWAAAAH LIFE IS PAIN LIFE IS SUFFERING AND THEN ONLY DEATH AWAITS AT THE END OF THE ROAD WE ARE SO TERRIFIED OF IT THERE'S NO HOPE WE ARE INVENTING SO MANY COPES WE ARE COPING WE WE WE-"
I am just having a good time bro.

[Anonymous No.21488525]

>>21488371
>>21488476
>>21488484
>>21488485
>>21488497
Again, it’s just Ligotti argues. You can only cope, ignore, and refuse to acknowledge the negative aspects of your existence. This isn’t helping.

[Anonymous No.21488542]

>>21488525
If you can't acknowledge them AND overcome them, you're a weak faggot who doesn't deserve to live, anyway.

[Anonymous No.21488549]

>>21488357
My understanding is that optimists are not actually disagreeing with pessimists about how things are, they just choose to have a more joyous way of looking at the same exact thing. For example, as the pessimist would 'see the cup half empty', and the optimists see it half full, they are not arguing about the amount of water. It is simply fact that the optimist is happier while the pessimist is thirsty. There is no logical reason to be a pessimist over an optimist in terms of bettering your own life.

[Anonymous No.21488551]

>>21488542
Alright, then counter his argument.

[Anonymous No.21488568]

>>21488525
>Again, it’s just Ligotti argues. You can only cope, ignore, and refuse to acknowledge the negative aspects of your existence. This isn’t helping.
I am not ignoring or refusing anything. Yes, there are negative aspects to life, and a lot of my life sucks. Yet, somehow, I am still having a good time. What now? It's not like there's some rational explanation that I have come up with to rationalise and cope away my suffering. I am just not really suffering all that much. Life's actually pretty nice, and I am going to try to make it nicer. If things end up going bad, well, what can you do? That's life for you. We are human beings, we are not omnipotent and we can't control everything. All the sages of every culture have always stressed that human life is not that important as to be worth fretting over anyway.

[Anonymous No.21488569]

>>21488525
You didn’t even respond to the argument. You can’t just say “you coping, bro”
YEAH. That’s the point. We are able to take in a breath of air and not be stung buy the sensation, but rather invigorated, inspired to take on the day, to enjoy this rare wonderful gift
>oh noes! There’s no inherent meaning passed down from some god!
And this sets us free as a bird! To rejoice however we want! Life is even more amazing now that we know it to be so brief!

I’m guessing you have no answer because you’re trolling

[Anonymous No.21488570]

>>21488549
I’m talking about philosophical pessimism, i.e. philosophies which argue that life/existence is bad.

[Anonymous No.21488594]

>>21488570
My bad, sorry.

[Anonymous No.21488618]

>>21488371
this frfr on god furthermore 0 cap

[Anonymous No.21488625]

Because pessimistic claims can't be demonstrated to be universal in any meaningful capacity. Once you recognize that pessimists don't have any greater foothold on the true nature of things than do zealous optimists, you'll realize you're just dealing with a whole lot of fucking cope.

[Anonymous No.21488635]

>>21488476
>>21488569
Hi, Butters! Haven't seen you in a while. Should I watch Little Witch Academia? You seem to like it a lot.

[Anonymous No.21488655]

>>21488635
imagine thinking that was the real buttertranny. "she" hasn't posted since 2019

[Anonymous No.21488685]

>>21488371
How can I do this? I’m held hostage by every social tie and life itself. Society doesn’t want you to suicide, it is considered a terrible crime that is selfish and most will never understand because of these notions.

[Anonymous No.21488740]

>>21488625
Suffering isn’t universal? Schopenhauer was dead right about this. There is nothing as universal as the suffering of all life.

[Anonymous No.21488760]

>>21488357
>How am I supposed to refute pessimism?
Easy, if life's shit why waste time being morose? Whereas if it's not and you're morose then you're the one making ti shit.

Take the nay-sayer trolls on 4chan. We know they're 60 seconds away from suicide, when they try to troll a young mind or a fresh idea into shame, it's a pity they don't kill themselves but in their case they're the ones making life shit with a sense of zeal.

[Anonymous No.21488766]

>>21488357
You don’t “refute” pessimism and you don’t refute optimism any more than you can refute someone when they say their favorite ice cream is strawberry

[Anonymous No.21488785]

>>21488568
>>21488569
You have, knowingly or not, put the blinders on. Go read some cliffnotes of the book, because you’re just doing exactly what Ligotti says.

>>21488625
I find it very hard to argue that we do not universally suffer.

[Anonymous No.21488791]

>>21488740
There is also nothing as universal to life as the existence of pleasure, laughter, love, etc. Neither of these poles of emotional valence properly characterize the complex, moment-to-moment phenomenological experience of living. Just because the horizon of being is non-existence and this notion itself is terrifying, doesn’t mean this terror can be justifiably extended across the temporality of human experience. There is no emotional “ground” of experience since every moment happens necessarily. There are good days and bad days, suffering and pleasure. Just because the existence of death presents itself as an unwinnable “game” doesn’t mean this presence is felt at all moments. Dreading about death is not coming to terms with “reality” because death is not “real” until it arrives.

[Anonymous No.21488809]

>>21488357
>I enjoy being alive.

[Anonymous No.21488856]

>>21488791
It’s also silly to think that everybody has the same capacity and opportunity to experience all those things. It all comes down to the luck of the draw.