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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:36:19 No.21481954 [Reply] [Original]

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Previous Thread:>>21476964

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Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:43:49 No.21481988
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>>21481814
>Doesn’t /d/ have some smut general they [progression fantasy readers and other degenerates] can fuck off to?
They could, if they wanted to. But like the trannies in reddit and discord, it is not enough that they enjoy their medium in the privacy of their life; not enough that people merely tolerate their existence; not enough that what they deem it acceptable — others must relish in it, praise it, and worst of all, join it. Like pigs who revel in shit, others must join the party. Shitty-dipping, by their definition, is for everyone. They, and only they, have found the meaning of life, it being the never ending consumption of sub par smut written by kiss less virgins whose only reason to keep on living is to expound their malignant thoughts on others. They have a deep hatred of women, the only other sex on the face of the Earth, who have, in their combined efforts decided to strike down all beta males but at the same time, it is women themselves, who are in the very center of their plays; harems being the ultimate locus of their secular desires. The progression fantasy reader is thus, by his definition, fighting a social oppression and their life's work is to preach their evangelium to other men, who have not yet found the truth of women. In short, in their love and hate for women, they have forsook real women in their lives and have settled for crude caricatures mimicking their ideal woman; a creature of no autonomous thought, a being of a singular desire — to please the litRPG man. Like a dog worship's its owner, the anime-man demands the respect of women non-existent.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:48:30 No.21481997 File: 450 KB, 954x474, Poppy War trilogy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] read them

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:49:05 No.21481998 >>21481988 based

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:49:24 No.21482000 >>21481988 based Gass all harem authors and readers.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:50:06 No.21482001 >>21481997 Can the Chinese write actual characters or only soulless bugmen like ones from Three Body Problem?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:51:02 No.21482002 Hi guys I don't know about you but I was thinking of separating science fiction from fantasy as a general, I think this would improve the quality of the discussion. /sfg/, /fg/ I can start creating the generals in the next thread. What do you think?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:51:13 No.21482004 File: 7 KB, 179x282, laughing pepe 14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21481997 >female author >books released in the last 5 years >strong female lead character

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:51:57 No.21482005 >>21482001 Yes. Almost finished the 2nd book and there are quite a few good characters >>21482004 >reddit frog

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:52:21 No.21482007 >>21482004 She's also a seething foid who hates men and is a shameless shill for the Chinese government.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:53:03 No.21482008
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>>21482002
There is no inherent difference between science fiction and fantasy. It is all speculative fiction and most writers of either end up writing both.
>>21482005
It is over Ms. Kuang. We are not reading it.
>>21482004
Even more reason not to read.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:55:23 No.21482012 Prove to me that you read books, not just skim Goodreads to shit on whatever is popular.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:58:19 No.21482020 >>21482007 >>21482005 Idk man the second anon sounds more convincing. I didn't know it was a woman who wrote it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 10:59:20 No.21482023 >>21482012 >not just skim Goodreads to shit on whatever is popular. I don't think I've ever read a book that was popular on goodreads.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:00:25 No.21482027 There's only 58 days left until Lord of Mysteries Book 2. Kino incoming, webnovel bros

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:01:31 No.21482031 >>21482002 well, /fg/ looks nice

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:02:03 No.21482032 File: 11 KB, 160x354, Fang_Yuan_kind_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482001 Yes they can

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:03:05 No.21482036 >>21482032 we hate anime here

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:03:49 No.21482038 >>21481988 I just like catgirls bro no need to seethe this much

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:03:58 No.21482039

>>21482012
The only way one could prove that would be to ask some question about the book that you could not easily answer by googling. Anything else is just taking people's word for it. I could list here all the books I've read and stand on my shelves but that wouldn't accomplish anything now would it?

>What would a true question look like then?

One should be able to word the question so that answers are not found explicitly i.e., I couldn't find the answer by even downloading the book and using the search function. Take Prince of Nothing for example. If I asked what was the color of Akka's eyes, you'd find it in a heartbeat. But if I asked "Are the Cishaurim damned?" then I'd be able to gauge your knowledge of the book in more detail.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:04:14 No.21482040 >>21482036 I hate it too. The image is just fan art.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:10:29 No.21482059 any xinxia that aren't trash/ and or MTL?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:12:12 No.21482063 File: 19 KB, 800x450, you.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482059 No. You can return to /d/ now.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:16:40 No.21482075 >>21482059 I Shall Seal The Heaven Joy of Life (really good)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:19:49 No.21482080 >>21482075 ive read mtl better than those

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:25:12 No.21482090 Is Farseer trilogy and rest of the spinoff series worth reading?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:25:59 No.21482091 >>21482063 We are in /sffg/ Please behave

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:27:09 No.21482093 >>21482090 I've heard of people who have enjoyed it. You may try downloading one in epub format, reading few pages and see if you like the style.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:32:04 No.21482102 File: 1022 KB, 1144x2560, Dune.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21481954 This Dune guide seems good. Question: I've seen the 2021 film and I don't want to be spoiled by Dune: Part 2. How much of the first book was the film?

ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:39:40 No.21482120

>>21482102
The next chapter in the book starts with the epigraph:
>God created Arrakis to train the faithful.
>—from “The Wisdom of Muad’Dib” by the Princess Irulan
Which is about 57 % into the book and this chapter follows the death of Jamis.

The guide is good, and if you enjoy reading Dune, I recommend reading all six of Frank's books. That being said, reading the books will make you enjoy the films less, because the films are no match for the books and for the most parts don't do the books justice.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:40:07 No.21482121

>>21481954
/tv/ failed me when it comes to fantasy. Had big hopes once Game of Thrones started, but they fucked it all up.
/v/? They have some ok games over decades, but a lot of shit too and video games as a medium are infested with frustrating practices that ruin games. Video game fantasy aesthetics also are not up to my taste.
/lit/, you are my only hope now.
I don't know enough about /co/.

>>	ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:42:38 No.21482126 File: 2.69 MB, 1740x1667, the chart version 6_1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482121 The Darkness That Comes Before Dune Witcher Conan Lyonesse The Once and Future King Gormenghast Lord of the Rings The Lord of Light

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:44:37 No.21482133

>>21482090
I've only read the first one, and it was years back.
I remember it being depressing, and it seemed follow a pattern where each chapter would alternate between things going well for the MC and then falling apart, to the point that it got predictable.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:46:11 No.21482135 File: 145 KB, 1080x1474, lord of the mysteries 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482121 My pulpils dilated, my scalp went numb, and I couldn't help but lampoon inwardly that this anon wouldn't like Lord of the Mysteries. Sad!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:48:35 No.21482142 >>21482135 >Lord of the Mysteries Anon comes asking for good recommendations are you offer him a translated chinese webnovel. There is a special place in literary hell for the likes of you.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:52:42 No.21482151 >>21482135 As I said, I don't know much about fantasy (or in general) webnovels or comics, can't judge the state of them. I have seen some Conan comics (by Dark Horse, I think) with some nice art and that's about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:55:24 No.21482157 >>21481997 Overrated with so many people just focusing on MUH ASIAN FANTASY as the selling point.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:56:20 No.21482159 >>21482120 I see. Thank you anon.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 11:59:35 No.21482164
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>>21482151
>I don't know much about fantasy webnovels or comics
Well, compared to traditionally published western literature... Well, there is no proper comparison. Perhaps an allegory will do.
Imagine you have a choice, a well made movie versus a high school play. Or perhaps you could listen to some artist on spotify or hear one of your amateur friends play a guitar. Maybe you could choose between a car made by one person or a BMW. In short, webnovels are, for the most part, long, neverending shit, that is unedited, full of plotholes (because authors have not outlined it thorougly) and constant branching of plots and things happening. They are not works of art, rather, they are trains of thought. While a traditionally published novel is a work of art that has taken couple of years to write and edit, webnovels push out chapters weekly or monthly with no end in sight. It's a public view into one man's jerking. The quality of self published smut is known well to be invariably bad while with traditionally published western works the quality is generally better and you can find genial works much, much, much more often than you'd find in some dark corner of the internet where some machine translated chinese shit exists.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 12:07:57 No.21482180 >>21482157 Google Literal Chinese translations of world country names and you will be left wondering what the fuck. It's amazing they are able to write books.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 12:21:44 No.21482201 >>21482126 You seem to be a person of good taste and never having read Bakker, seeing him on such a generally accurate chart, I might just get memed into him.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 12:27:27 No.21482216 >>21482120 I don't think you can have a film that covers all the bases of the book in a reasonable amount of time. The most recent Dune film shows this.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 12:36:49 No.21482226 Dying Earth (as in the book not the genre) wasn't that great desu Is BOTNS the best we'll get?

ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 Thu, Jan 5, 2023 12:51:28 No.21482248
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>>21482201
I find it amusing that nowadays in /sffg/ there pervades this idea that just because something is "memed" it must be bad. A couple years back, Bakker was all the rage — for a long time after The Unholy Consult was published people were discussing at length the intricacies of his works. No wonder then, people used to vote him their favorite author here by a landslide.
>Something happened then?
Yes, like tides changes, so do generals. Old timers went away and new friends came along, but the discussion of Bakker never seized but took other forms. There were fights between Sandersoys and Bakkerchads, Sanderson eventually losing the battle for literary merit and even now its accepted Brandon is a hack, while Bakker is said to be the king.
>How did we end up him being a meme?
He is a meme, but depending on whom you ask you get different answers. While the Bakker discussion continued, new people supposed that the author must be controversial and better yet avoided. The truth of his meme is however, that he is a brilliant author and it is the biting irony of time that can change a divided group's perception of a single man, especially when that group is a ever changing. Such is then the unfortunate fate of a new fag who comes here just to disregard Bakker outright; being spared his prosaic genius. Like the ebb and flow of ideologies according ot Hegelian dialectics, the Bakker discussion is now erring on the favor of his haters, but I have an inkling that in the years to come, his place as a cult classic returns once again.
>TL;DR
Bakker is one of the best contemporary fantasy writers, and his status as the locus of discussion has been perverted in the course of time to such degree, people don't take recommendations concerning him seriously.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 12:59:05 No.21482262 >>21482248 Didn't read also Bakker is a talentess hack cope more

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:01:53 No.21482266 >>21482121 >>21482126 >>21482201 >>21482248 Blatant samefagging.

>>	ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:03:37 No.21482271 File: 3 KB, 352x133, copeandseethe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482266 Just because the conversation doesn't go your way doesn't mean there's a samefag.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:06:01 No.21482277

>>21482266
Nah, anon, I'm just genuinely depressed over the state of fantasy shows and films (to a lesser extent over vidya) and came here to vent. As for Bakker, I have not read his stuff, I just know he is posted here a lot and his books are edgy.
Not sure if I need extra edge in my life at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:09:43 No.21482288 File: 16 KB, 422x135, dilate.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482271 Oh crap, what can i do against such strong proofs?

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:14:55 No.21482302

>>21482277
There's little edge to his books. Bakker's style is purple and serious. Any "edge" that there comes to the grim elements. But these grim elements are not tongue-in-cheek edgy-style of Abercrombie, they are merely grim. Teenagers are edgy. Grown men battling in a Holy War, most likely not.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:16:00 No.21482305 >>21482302 >There's little edge to his books. There's nothing but edge in his books. You are delusional.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:16:42 No.21482310 >>21482305 Are the Cishaurim damned?

>>	ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:19:57 No.21482317 >>21482305 >Didn't read the book >Claims to know its style Concerning

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:25:06 No.21482334 >>21482226 >Dying Earth (as in the book not the genre) wasn't that great desu I loved it, Vance is so much fun. >Is BOTNS the best we'll get? Of course it is. There's never going to be a fantasy novel that's as good.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:27:08 No.21482345 >>21482288 lol what are you doing here, russian roach? I hear they constantly need new cannon fodder in the war, have you voluntered yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:34:19 No.21482376 Boy this general went to shit since I was last here. Guess I'll find somewhere else to discuss Book of the Long Sun.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:35:09 No.21482380 File: 3.52 MB, 1280x720, 1654789659211.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482376 Welcome home.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:38:27 No.21482389 >>21482248 I want to touch a womans's body so bad bros

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:44:47 No.21482408 >>21482389 The feeling will pass if you give it enough time.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:53:23 No.21482431 I've reached the lowest of lows, I'm reading otome isekai now

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:57:19 No.21482442 >>21482012 you do understand that publishers buy reviews on goodreads the way normies buy likes on instagram, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 13:59:44 No.21482450 >>21482102 the 2021 film is dogshit. Read the first three books and skip the next movie.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:00:54 No.21482455 >>21482450 >recommends the worst book (third) but not the third best book (fourth)

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:05:28 No.21482464

>>21481499
>>21481425
No. I just did read the books, thats why it stood out to me. I assumed that they would have given Legolas more of a character.
I think the closest thing he got to a focus was in Loth lorian, and even that was more as a point of exposition.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:07:58 No.21482467

>>21482376
It's literally the same as always. But I spent a large portion of last year reading Wolfe and went through the entire Solar Cycle again. Long Sun surprised me on the second read, how well written it all was. Wolfe dabbled in space Russian realism with it.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:09:44 No.21482470
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>>21482164
>In short, webnovels are, for the most part, long, neverending shit, that is unedited, full of plotholes (because authors have not outlined it thorougly) and constant branching of plots and things happening. They are not works of art, rather, they are trains of thought. While a traditionally published novel is a work of art that has taken couple of years to write and edit, webnovels push out chapters weekly or monthly with no end in sight.
Lmao, tradfags are deluded. I read hundreds of trad fantasy books before I started webnovels and you know how many trad books I've read since? Only few. To think a popular trad book is that much better than a popular webnovel is utter delusion that makes anyone in the know laugh at you. 'Work of art' my ass, I do agree that a thought-out book is better than a webnovel in SOME aspects, mostly those that matter the most to a truly worthy work of art, but there's a reason why men no longer read tradfantasy. Because it's not noticeably better and webnovels are more compelling.

Market doesn't lie. If tradbooks are obviously better, than why do people read webnovels and self-pub instead? Why are there new companies and other kinds of businesses that focus on editing webnovels and providing authors with audiobook version of their medium to reach wider audiences? Because tradpub is utterly consumed by culture war and people checked out. It's the same thing that happened with comics, manga swallowed the audience. Marvel and DC are on the rock-bottom.

The incessant seething of tradfags who can't comprehend why people don't want to read published trash, prefering to read 'unedited, long and full of plotholes' webnovels is a wonderful. Clueless NPCs that rage and scream because the system they live in cannot account for people leaving and creating their own spaces when the original ones no longer provided them with what need.

Absolutely hilarious, seethe more you precious tradfag retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:15:57 No.21482480 >>21482470 >lives in his small bubble of five people >thinks it represents all people >didn't do the his research on book markets If you did, you'd know you are a negligible minority.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:17:23 No.21482483
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Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:18:37 No.21482486
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>>21482483
I will not read The Poppy War
I will not read Cradle
I will not read The Wandering Inn
I will not read Mother of Learning
I will not read I Shall Seal the Heavens

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:20:12 No.21482490 >>21482486 But you will read Prince of Nothing, so i won.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:20:23 No.21482491 >>21482480 nta but thats fine, no one is forcing anyone to read anything, I will leave traditionally published (by jewish and women with 25 abortions behind her traditional publishers) novels for you to read. I will read self published.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:25:29 No.21482500 >>21482470 Holy based.

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>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:42:47 No.21482559 >>21481988 >just read the seven books >hey this is fun, let's talk about it on /lit/ >good morning good people, what do you think about Bakker and his books? >jesus christ

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 14:46:15 No.21482566
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So, what's a good book about dwarves, vikings, space wolves I don't know, just want some bearded guys drinking ludicrous amounts of alcohol and killing people with axes and seeing that as the good side of life. I tried some books in these settings but is all brooding, muh wife, muh honor, muh dead family and so on. Any book where people have a murderhobo culture and are happy about it?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:02:51 No.21482623 >>21482566 You expect rationality and cold logic from drunkards who aren't even capable of having a shave at least once a month. Good luck with that.

None !SFFG.n1h7M Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:06:33 No.21482632
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>>21481954
Leviathan Wakes, The Expanse #1 - James S.A. Corey [Daniel Abraham & Ty Franck] (2011)

I tried reading this in 2011, but I wasn't interested enough at the time after reading a few chapters. Four years later I began watching the TV series and watched all of it as it aired. I've also read many of Abraham's other books during that time. Now that it's roughly a year later after both the tv and book series have ended, I thought that I'd try again. The book has now joined the evergrowing list of critically acclaimed and/or highly popular series that it seems I didn't give enough chance. This is the first time I've finished the first book of a series after finishing its tv series. Surprisingly, I wasn't bothered at all by knowing everything that would happen. I almost always go to the source material first for tv series, but not movies. I'm interested to see how that goes as I read more.

This is a space opera series in which both authors empathetically say that it isn't hard SF. For the most part it tends towards a relatively conservative realism of what human society may be like a few centuries from now in terms of technological and social progress, as compared to most science fiction I've seen. For the first few books everything stays within the solar system. The authors have stated that they wanted this series to be about when humans first began exploring beyond the solar system. The only thing that bothers me is the populations of the planets and moons, 30 billion for Earth, 9 billion for Mars, and other absurd numbers elsewhere. The reasons for these numbers are given later in the tv series, which I assume are the same in the book, and are highly unsatisfactory.

The story alternates between two viewpoints, even when they're literally feet apart from each other. One is a self-righteous idealist with a savior complex on a merchant vessel who finds himself pushed into stellar events. The other is a cynical and nihilistic detective who becomes obsessed with a case that becomes his sole reason for living. The cast of characters are quite enjoyable and there aren't any that I disliked, as I think they're well-written and developed. In terms of plot it means the former is escaping from a series of disasters while trying to save the solar system and the latter is pursuing an obsession.

It's difficult for me to compare the first book and the first and second seasons six/seven years out, so I'll just say that they have their own strengths and weaknesses. I don't mind the changes the TV series made of what I've read so far. The characters in the book feel better, particularly in terms of their humanity and emotionality. There's also considerably more worldbuilding details and the inner monologue. I may come to like the book series more by the end. I'm highly motivated to enjoy this series. I very much want to like it despite it not quite being what I ideally want, but it's both close and rare enough though that it suffices.

Rating: 4.5/5

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:06:37 No.21482633 File: 1.84 MB, 1313x1600, 1669062430188711.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21481988 Based. Bakker is king and truth shines

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:07:30 No.21482634 >>21482483 >Read I Shall Seal the Heavens I actually tried it, it's not good. Dropped it twice, and won't pick it up again.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:09:04 No.21482638 File: 36 KB, 331x500, 51kF646J6RL._AC_SY780_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21481954 I've seen Project Hail Mary brought up as an example of good modern SF. What does /sffg/ think?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:11:16 No.21482645 >>21482638 The martian but good

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:12:11 No.21482649

>muh tradpub
>muh selfpub
Why one or the other? Just read stories you like from both formats you losers. Refusal to consider one makes you either a pretentious twat or a contrarian shiteater. It's time for you to ascend.

Anyway, anyone here follow any sff magazines they would recommend? I'd like to pick up some contemporary pulpy kind of short story collections and I'm not sure where else they'd be besides magazines or royal road.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:14:05 No.21482653 >>21482649 It's more that traditional publishing is seen as succeeding as a writer.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:24:55 No.21482679 >>21482649 >contrarian Cool 2010s /v/ buzzword.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:27:30 No.21482687

>>21482638
>Film rights have been purchased by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Drew Goddard (who adapted The Martian, Weir's traditional publishing debut, into a 2015 film) is slated to adapt the book into a film, in which actor Ryan Gosling plans to star as Grace

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>>21482649
Tradpublishing is ran by a cabal of fat mid-thirties women. If your book, and who you are, doesn't cater to them then its way less likely to be published. Reminder that most traditionally published books can barely break a few thousand copies.

Its been hollowed out by HR

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:41:22 No.21482714 Never read Bakker, will never read Bakker.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 15:42:12 No.21482716
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>>21482638
> Starting with the story on board the spacecraft Hail Mary where Ryland Grace regains his memory in bursts. This story is frequently intercut with flashbacks
another the woke up on spaceship with no memories trope

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:00:11 No.21482750 >>21482700 This is a symptom of the fact that men do not read. If more men read, they would feel pressure to publish shit that appeals to men. Money talks, and there's no money in publishing for men.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:07:23 No.21482767
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>>21482750
>publish good books
>men read
>slowly start subverting the popular genres that men read
>men do not read
>"if only men read more (bought more books) we could publish more books that appeal to men"

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:07:51 No.21482770

>>21482700
And selfpub is controlled almost entirely by Amazon's monopoly due to their exclusivity requirement and is throttled by their algorithm that demands authors release a new story every month or be buried forever. It will never become the dominant market in those circumstances. Ideally, publishing houses would redirect their resources and start helping self pub authors get their work out there for a flat fee but they won't do that until closer to the end I think.
>>21482750
The success of authors in litrpg, progression, and haremlit genres shows that men do, in fact, read but would rather read stories about cool dudes slaying monsters and fucking bitches than whatever edgy grimdark shit the few male authors still in tradpub are putting out.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:11:02 No.21482779 >>21482164 Montecristo started as stories published in a newspaper

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:16:14 No.21482790 >>21482750 Men jumped ship to video games because women demographics weren't perverting them to the same extent.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:18:05 No.21482798

>>21482767
>>21482770
So why don't we see litrpg on the shelves of Barnes and Nobles? If so many men [citation needed] are reading, where are the books? Either men are willing to read but refuse to pay, which is still our fault, or men are not reading in the numbers you think they are.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:20:17 No.21482805

>>21482770
>>21482750
eh , there's more to it than that. Can't twitter shame a self-published book out of printing (yet...) and if you don't have an in with the booktube sphere then good luck publishing your lgdbq+ book anywhere BUT self publish.

It's an industry problem , not an audience problem.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:21:45 No.21482812 >>21482798 you want the same answer 3 times or are you just dense?

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:25:02 No.21482818

>>21482812
You didn't answer. All you said was hur dur royal road exists checkmate. Nobody pays for litrpg on royal road, the barriers to entry are essentially nonexistant for English speakers. Arbitrary view counts that are calculated when people click on a tile do not equate to male readership, nor do the fist loads of .99 cent harem lit with 200 reviews. It's not additive, you're counting the same audience over again.

Again, where are the male readers? If this market is as popular as you're claiming, why hasn't someone come along and tradpublished all these works and made fistloads off of it?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:25:21 No.21482820 >>21482798 Amazon, royalroad, web novel sites Barnes and noble only sell progressive books from (((trad))) publishers to women and male npcs

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:27:39 No.21482827 >>21482820 but Light Perpetual by Sapkowski is very recent traditional pub

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:27:44 No.21482828 >>21482818 Amazon exclusivity contracts , duh! You really don't know anything about the industry , do you?

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:28:31 No.21482833

>>21482820
Barnes and Noble is a fucking business with shareholders that do not give two flying fucks about agendas. They exist solely to make money, and would gladly gobble up anything that does so. This boogeyman of the evil tradpublish gatekeeping industry does logically make sense because publishers do not have monopolies on the distributers. Those companies don't give a fuck who purchases paper/binding. Anyone with capital can come along and print books and sell them to BaN.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:29:09 No.21482836

>>21482798
You mean the shelves at barnes and noble filled with an ever-increasing amount of isekai manga?

Tradpub won't publish stories for men because men don't buy tradpub books and men don't buy tradpub books because tradpub doesn't publish stories for men. It's a cyclical problem that won't be solved until tradpub decides it actually wants the male audience back and is willing to publish stories men want.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:30:49 No.21482843 >>21482833 >shareholders that do not give two flying fucks about agendas haha

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:31:04 No.21482845

>>21482828
You're talking about specific works, we're talking about an entire genre of "male centric lit." Great, the books already published there are stuck there. Doesn't matter, find a funding author and buy his next works. You don't know shit about shit and just want to be buttmad and point fingers at some industry boogeyman.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:32:51 No.21482849 >>21482836 Manga isn't literature, it's comics. It also is not exclusive to men, a point I made earlier that was ignored. Plenty of women in that 1 (one) manga aisle.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:33:29 No.21482850

>>21482833
This >>21482828 probably also plays a big part. I had forgotten that amazon's exclusivity also applies to paper formats and not just other publishing websites.
>>21482845
>bro just jump exclusively from one format to another and split or alienate your audience
Nah.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:34:24 No.21482852 >>21482845 eh , that should come soon enough if things keep going like this. Not this year , for sure , but I bet by '24-'25 you'll see that too.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:34:50 No.21482855 It's trendy for women to read. Men are interested in gym, video games, movies. Look at your zoomies right now. Do you think they are interested in reading? No, kiddo. Oh by the way. Men are still making much more money as authors than women.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:35:57 No.21482863 >>21482855 this isn't twitter , you can write more if you want in your post

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:36:23 No.21482864 File: 133 KB, 1080x853, Screenshot_2023.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482827 Not read it but from plot summary it looks like some white knight story. Wouldn't be surprised if targeted audience is actually females.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:38:04 No.21482868 File: 1.41 MB, 1252x756, meloni gandalf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gandalf 1488 the White

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:39:49 No.21482872 Plot summary doesn't do the Hussite trilogy any justice. Also >men and women can't enjoy same books >>21482863 What do you mean

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:43:15 No.21482882
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Matt Dinniman on self publishing in /scifi/

"The first book I wrote that was actually self published was Dominion of Blades, and I made more money the first week it was out than in my entire career before that combined, including all the prizes, pro fees from short stories, and three trad published books. The world has changed. I don't think a large publisher will ever make sense in this genre until they can understand the rapid release requirements. Some of the new smaller presses (Like Aethon and Mountaindale) understand, but a big New York house is too cumbersome gain a foothold in this world.

That said, if I ever publish another standalone book, I will consider going back to trad publishing."

https://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/comments/v3fspx/i_am_matt_dinniman_the_author_of_the_dungeon/iayh32r/

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:45:07 No.21482891

>>21482872
stories for actual men likely would not be of interest to women (no drama, no whiteknighting, no garbage relationships, story focused entirely on events that have nothing to do with women or things women are interested in)

Yes, women, feminine men, npcs can and do enjoy the same books.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:46:27 No.21482898 >>21482882 >rapid release >less edited garbage I'll stick to pre-2000 trad pub thank you. There's enough good books to last a lifetime Also what the fuck is that book covers holy shit litrpg seems cringe as fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:47:35 No.21482902 >>21482891 Didn't know I was talking to an actual incel here. Unlike you, I don't blame women and Jews for my personal failings.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:48:34 No.21482910 >>21482902 holy heck where can I upvote this post?????

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:49:03 No.21482912 >>21482902 Who do you blame then?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:50:27 No.21482916 >>21482912 No one, I focus on self improvement. Finding made up enemies won't get me anywhere.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:50:59 No.21482922

>>21482898
That cover is appropriate to the contents. Litrpg is not a genre, those are not books. It's like some AI made script that goes on for 200 pages describing someone playing a videogame but with some names changed to avoid copyrights.

To think once I complained about kids reading Harry Potter. Ah, the good old days.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:51:11 No.21482925
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>>21482898
it's pulp , don't act like you don't know what a pulp cover is

But yeah , both the cover and the summary don't do the book justice , it's a common complaint from people that were on the fence because of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:51:44 No.21482926 >>21482916 >normal, well-adjusted human being >on /sffg/ you need to leave

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:53:03 No.21482931 >>21482925 You fucking wish it was a pulp cover

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:54:26 No.21482938 >>21482931 I fucking wish you were a pulp cover

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:57:03 No.21482949 >>21482916 I see. If you fail due a woman/man/jew/yourself, you don't blame anyone? You forget and just carry on? That's a real cuck mentality if I've ever seen one.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:58:21 No.21482952 >>21482949 >incel took seven whole minutes to think up this weak ass comeback

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 16:59:57 No.21482956 >2014 newfag argues with a 2019 newfag: colorized (2023)

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:00:27 No.21482959

>>21482949
In your depiction of the world where women and Jews are responsible for everything. What else can you do? The system won't help you. Your type of thinking makes you a slave of your thinking. You'll never escape the cage of your own making until you change your mind. You have nothing to lose but your bitterness.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:00:30 No.21482960 >>21482952 there is no rush here, consider yourself lucky it only took me 7 minutes

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:04:45 No.21482977 >>21482959 I will blame those who are responsible, be they men, women or jews or anyone else. Oh I will get on with life but I will also do my best to make them pay. If you want to forget and move on, that's your choice.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:23:41 No.21483042 >>21482925 It's not pulp you thick cunt I'd smash your head into pulp

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:28:28 No.21483055 >>21481997 Has anyone here read Babel by the same author? Is it any good? I saw it for £9 hardback at Waterstones, I might go and gtab it tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:30:10 No.21483063 >>21483042 ok boomer

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:38:03 No.21483087

>>21481997
I remember a preamble describing how the main character is discriminated because she was a woman, brown and poor. I instantly knew it was trash being peddled for having an mildly Asian setting and double checking if it have all the marks for the current year crowd.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:40:10 No.21483098 >>21482126 >Silmarilion S tier I don't know man....

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:57:51 No.21483170 >>21483098 It's fine, there are others who know.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 17:58:38 No.21483176 >>21482632 >>4.5/5 lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:04:28 No.21483197 >>21483170 that it's B tier at best?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:15:11 No.21483233 >>21483176 What do you think?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:18:44 No.21483254 >>21483233 Ignore him. He does that for any book rated above a 3

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:38:33 No.21483338 File: 61 KB, 620x574, Sasha-cat-in-tinfoil-hat-cropped-620x574.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hello. New to the genre. Is there any recommended book which feels like going through a rabbit-hole? Is "Cryptonomicon" a good start?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:43:36 No.21483351 >>21482566 >I want drunk dwarves and vikings >But i don't want them to act like drunk dwarves and vikings Are you underaged or just autistic?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:43:44 No.21483353 I would like to let the anon who recommended me Ken Liu know that I have procured a copy of the Grace of Kings

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:43:57 No.21483355 >>21483338 TITUS GROAN GOOD LUCK

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:50:16 No.21483375 >>21483355 THANKS ANON

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 18:51:30 No.21483381 File: 346 KB, 2048x2048, 1647978520446.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21482700 >cabal of fat mid-thirties women Sounds kind of hot ngl >>21482891 Have sex

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:01:47 No.21483420 Recommend me some good fantasy books /sffg/bros. I like books with a powerful MC (powerful wizard etc.) and with some romance.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:05:39 No.21483432 >>21483420 Practical Guide to Evil

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:09:00 No.21483440 >>21483432 Thanks, but I prefer a male MC.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:12:13 No.21483451 >>21483420 Why are you asking here? Just look at the state of the thread. How retarded do you have to be to even use this general as a place to discuss books or even get recommendations.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:14:14 No.21483457 >>21483420 Cycle of Fire by Janny Wurts Riftwar Elminster (warning: it's shit but it has some Nice battles) >>21483451 SNEED

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:14:28 No.21483459 >>21483420 The Darkness That Comes Before Youll thanks me later

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:15:55 No.21483464 >>21483420 You would have better luck asking google, and I’m not even joking. Don’t know why /sffg/ has gone to shit now but it’s pointless to ask here.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:16:10 No.21483465

>>21483440
I don't know , romance it's the tricky part.

He Who Fights With Monsters could be up your alley but it's a portal fantasy and the MC is not everyone's cup of tea.

Mother of Learning (surprising little romance for a timeloop with teenage wizards) , Wheel of Time , I think some Elminister books have romance.

If you consider The Tier World fantasy then that's a good one.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:16:33 No.21483467 rec me books where the hero is mentored by an older woman that he eventually marries. bonus points if she had been teaching him since he was a child.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:17:23 No.21483468 >>21483467 Why are you asking here.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:17:43 No.21483473 >>21483467 You must be desperate if you're asking here.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:20:20 No.21483481 >>21483467 Castle Town, more or less.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:23:22 No.21483494 >>21483467 do you want a human hag or is an Elf fine too? What about Vamprires?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:26:38 No.21483507 Recommend me some places to discuss sff books and to ask for sff recommendations

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:27:11 No.21483510 >>21483494 race of the female can be anything. male human is preferred but not necessary.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:28:36 No.21483517 >>21483507 Have you tried searching on your own, given that you’re the one that’s going to be discussing book?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 19:58:32 No.21483617 File: 51 KB, 340x500, 51Dlo2heMcL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21483420 I don't wanna spam this, it has been mentioned several times, but try reading pic related, it's literaly wizard mc with little romance.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 20:05:50 No.21483659

Thanks for all the recommendations. Please post more recommendations!

>>21483457
Thanks I have read Riftwar and liked it. I will check out the others.

>>21483459
Thanks. I started reading Darkness That Comes Before but stopped because of irl reasons. I will look at it again.

>>21483465
Thanks, I will check out He Who Fights With Monsters. I have read the Wheel of Time.

>>21483617
I have read the series. It's good!

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 20:16:35 No.21483709
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>>21483617
Spellmonger turned shit after book 1. Started focusing on other people and he stopped crafting his spells. Fuck the Goblin skull. Fuck his apprentices, fuck that series.

>>21483420
pic related
It's popcorn fun. Strong MC who just wants to be left alone, but everyone is trying to use him. No harem shit either.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 20:23:42 No.21483740 >>21483055 >buying books from waterstones ngmi

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 20:24:03 No.21483741

>>21483709
>Started focusing on other people and he stopped crafting his spells. Fuck the Goblin skull. Fuck his apprentices, fuck that series
I like the first few books, but I stopped reading after that because of the reasons you mentioned. But I think the first three or two books are good.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 20:26:46 No.21483749

>>21483709
Spellmonger peaked with books 2-5, focusing on other wizards was fine, war arc was pretty good, it went to shit only when he started focusing on his exgf and his wife.

Also if you are recommending James E Wisher at least recommend Portal Wars Saga, not that trashy urban garbage

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 20:50:58 No.21483843
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Why the fuck are german-inspired fantasy settings so non-existent? And no I don't care about anglo-saxon middle earth or settings which are generally made by Germans but are otherwise not German in the least

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 20:53:33 No.21483853

>>21483338

Ender's Game is a good starting point for most young readers but might not really be a hit for a more sophisticated or experienced person. Cryptonomicon is not really science fiction, it is historiographic metafiction. It's not bad but it wouldn't be my first rec.

What is your reading background?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 21:09:26 No.21483902 >>21483740 I got a gift card for Christmas, I normally just read books from the library

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 21:11:47 No.21483909 >>21483749 >Also if you are recommending James E Wisher at least recommend Portal Wars Saga, not that trashy urban garbage You noticed the guy asked for romance, right? Portal War Saga he was a heartless edge lord.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 21:52:12 No.21484047 >>21483843 Read the Turnip Princess

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 21:53:42 No.21484054 >>21483843 Germans can't write. It's their job to write about their own culture but they have produced nothing good in a hundred years.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:02:34 No.21484095 I swear, I don’t know how these get shittier and shittier by the day. Fuck sakes. This thread was created at the dead at night but somehow, shitposters and other threadshitters still ruin it.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:06:12 No.21484111

>>21483853
Yea, I consider myself to not be that "inexperienced" however I distanced myself a lot from reading fiction.

Really enjoyed Dosto/Tolstoi (russians in general) and, regarding non fiction, I prefer topics regarding religion and theater. Last year I mostly read theater (which is usually short, in comparison with a novel) but unfortunately not a lot.

Thanks for asking, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:07:35 No.21484123 >>21484095 Where's your great contribution?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:12:48 No.21484154 >>21484095 Another "why aren't you talking about books on 4chan reeeeeee" post. Jesus F Christ, go back go r*ddit or shittyreads.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:13:50 No.21484163 >>21484111 I think you might enjoy "The Algebraist" by Iain M. Banks. Anthologies will also be a good fit, my first rec is Ted Chiang's "Stories of your life and others" followed closely by "The Best of Michael Swanwick"

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:22:31 No.21484196 >>21484154 How old are you?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:22:52 No.21484198 >>21484163 Man, the anthologies look great. Thanks for the great picka, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:26:28 No.21484206 >>21484196 28

Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:32:56 No.21484235

Fellowship used to be my least favourite out of the LOTRs books when I was younger but I'm re-reading the entire series again as an adult and I'm gaining a huge appreciation for it. I can understand why a lot of people think it drags but it's comfy and wholesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:34:00 No.21484239 >>21484206 That’s depressing.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:34:09 No.21484241 >>21484206 doubt

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 22:37:39 No.21484255 >>21484095 There's no point in trying to have an actual discussion here.

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>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 23:00:11 No.21484350 File: 492 KB, 2518x1024, 1650680825149.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21484308 based

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 23:18:50 No.21484425 >>21484308 Christ, people actually read that garbage? The page alone makes me want to kill myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 23:20:54 No.21484440 File: 208 KB, 523x529, 1652517699162.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21484425 cope

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 23:24:32 No.21484456 >>21484425 Ignore it, people only read lgbt femininst cuck fiction.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 23:24:55 No.21484458 >>21484425 I don’t know how people can read it. I was stumbling throughout the passage. Fuck, MTL is something else entirely. They have to be an ESL to think this is worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 23:31:46 No.21484501 >>21484308 >it's bad because it... le is! cope readlets

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 23:33:22 No.21484511 >>21483843 You haven't read Herr Poopenkraftfahrzeug versichaftpflicht???????

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2023 23:44:55 No.21484556 >>21484511 >Herr Poopenkraftfahrzeug versichaftpflicht eternal classic

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 00:13:32 No.21484671 I read Elantris after listening to Sandersen's class on youtube, and I see his process, but that wasn't a very good book. Is Mistborn much/at all better?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 00:40:35 No.21484789 >>21482002 >split a slow general on an already slower board. It’ll last a few days and then it’s going to go back to both. Also a lot of the authors write both science fiction and fantasy.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 00:54:05 No.21484846

I’m about halfway through The Blade Itself and it’s pretty enjoyable. I do love watching the characters progress, though I could do with a little more inner grief or reflection from Logen. Magic seems a little deus ex machina, but I’m waiting for the big reveal. Also the fact that the Union is a bureaucratic nightmare filled with nepotism and self serving elites leads to some humorous interactions. He will explain more I hope? He leave a lot of open ended things that you essentially deduce, and some clarification would be nice so it’s not just me hoping I guessed right.
>for over a quarter of the book I though the Eaters were vampires
>oof

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:01:14 No.21484859
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>>21481954
The official Mom Protagonist SFF List.
I apologize for the lengthy (ie autistic) list. I may update it later.
>Caught in Crystal (1987) by Patricia Wrede
>The Interior Life (1990) by Katherine Blake
>Raven's Duology (2004-2005) by Patricia Briggs
>Wolfblade Trilogy (2004-2005) by Jennifer Fallon
>Bridge of D'Arnath (2004-2005) by Carol Berg
>The World Gates Trilogy (2004-2005) By Holly Lisle, She wrote Minerva Wakes and the Arhel trilogy, those two books also have mom mc
>Dragonsbane (1985) by Barbara Hambly
>Paladin of Souls and Vorkosigan saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>Sunrunner Saga (1988-1993) by Melanie Rawn. Mommy Sioned best yandere girl
>The Empire Trilogy (1987-1992) by Janny Wurts
>Liveship Traders (1998-200) by Robin Hobb
>Birthgrave (1975-1978) by Tanith Lee
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
>Karavans Trilogy (2006-2012) by Jennifer Roberson
>Skinwalkers (2014) by Wendy N. Wagner, about an ex-pirate Axe wielding mom!
>Frostfell (2006) by Mark Sehestedt
>Legacy of Steel (1998) by Mary H. Herbert
>The Traitor Spy Trilogy (2010-2012) by Trudi Canavan
>Sevenwaters Trilogy (1999-2001) by Juliet Marillier
>Blood songs (1987, third book in the Frost trilogy) by Robin Wayne Bailey
>Bloodsong Trilogy (1985-1986) by Asa Drake
>Gypsies (1988) by Robert Charles Wilson
>Child of Time (1991) by Robert Silverberg
>The Wayfarer Redemption (1995-1999) by Sara Douglass, by book three almost every character is pregnant, after book three there's a 20 year time-skip so all the mcs have grown-up children
>The Forgotten Beasts of Eld (1974) by Patricia A. McKillip
>The Keys to Paradise Trilogy (1987-1988) by Robert Vardeman, trio of mcs all of the same importance, veterans of the Trans-War that ravaged the country, one of them is a cat-girl who saves a slave kid and adopts him
>Bitter Angels (2009) by C.L Anderson
>The Great Wheel (1987, book three of the Tredana Trilogy) by Joyce Ballou Gregorian
>Daughter of the Bear King (1987) by Eleanor Arnason
>Night-Threads series by Ru Emerson, portal fantasy about a druggie mom, her sister and her teenage son.
>Frostflower adn Thorn (1980) Phyllis Ann Karr
>Fifth Millenium by S.M. Stirling, Shirley Meier, and Karen Wehrstein
>Spellsong Cycle (1997-2002) by L.E. Modesitt Jr
>The Sword of Lyric by Sharon Hinck, christian portal fantasy about a soccer mom and her son fighting against Not-Satan
>Cradle of Sea and Soill (2020) by Bernie Anes Paz
>Boneshaker (2009) Cherie Priest
>The Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson, absolute grimdark kino but like most of Donaldson's work it has a happy ending, the main characters just have to go through hell to get it.
>Dragon Gate by Lindsay Buroker, a six book epic about a Mother-son duo
>Memories of Ice (2001 Book 3 of Malazan Book of the Fallen) by Steven Erikson
>To Sail Beyond the Sunset (1987) by Robert Heinlein
I'm open to any suggestions for SFF books with mom mc
Bakker is king etc. etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:05:43 No.21484868 >>21482002 Been done many times over the past 6 years, only sffg remains.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:08:05 No.21484876

>>21484671
Mistborn is pretty good, though I read it when I was a teenager I iirc. I was focused mostly on the magic system which is interesting and the world has some depth to it. Felt more developed overall than Elantris and the second mistborn series(which I think I only read the first book or two of) feels a lot more alive, but I have always been a sucker for fantasy Wild West stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:08:10 No.21484877 >>21484859 Threadly reminder that mothers can't be protagonists

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:09:24 No.21484879 File: 27 KB, 220x332, Dune-Frank_Herbert_(1965)_First_edition.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bretty gud i think what you think? discuss..

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:09:51 No.21484881 >>21484879 Discuss what?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:10:58 No.21484885 >>21484881 good or not

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:12:17 No.21484890 >>21484885 'sarrite. 3.5/5

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:12:38 No.21484892 File: 72 KB, 576x838, Belgariad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21484877 Untrue, mothers are strong and cute

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:14:57 No.21484897 >>21484890 thanks for the feedback. i mostly agree, although i am a fan of the 10 point system. in my opinion 8/10

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:16:39 No.21484905 >>21484879 I think Paul not giving a fuck about his son dying was funny.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:17:33 No.21484908 >>21484892 Those are antagonist traits, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:23:25 No.21484926 File: 158 KB, 1080x1610, 1664694634902645.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21484908 Villainess moms are good too, moms can be both.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:24:28 No.21484929
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I'm coming out bros. I love the Thrawn trilogy of Star Wars books. I spent all last year trying to find new fantasy to read but frankly I barely finished any of them. I'm rereading the first thrawn book now and it blows anything I read last year out of the water.

Not even shitposting I love you all

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:26:01 No.21484934 >>21484929 how far did the star wars extended universe end up going before disney axed it? I know the original Thrawn trilogy was pretty good but were any other parts of it worth reading?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:28:09 No.21484941 File: 167 KB, 499x506, Tjjl4mYo54gKZdinZrpZJ-IMdnxxL8h0eUQLHpbt8m0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21484929 >Thrawn >Zahn

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:29:04 No.21484943 >>21484934 Bits and pieces. Courtship stands out as the only real gem.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:29:35 No.21484946 >>21484926 >middle aged woman with sword and board That armor better be so enchanted she turns into a 6' tall black guy in a fight.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:31:36 No.21484951 >>21484929 If you like Zahn read The Icarus Hunt.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:32:13 No.21484955 >>21484946 Has there ever been a good study on chicks with medieval weaponry? How strong do you have to be to make sticking someone with a pointy stick actually an effective strategy?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:32:14 No.21484956 >>21482790 >Men jumped ship to video games because women demographics weren't perverting them to the same extent. And then women perverted that too. What do men even really have left anymore? Tabletop RPGs I guess?

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:37:30 No.21484968

>>21484956
>Tabletop RPGs I guess?
Wheelchair-accessible dungeons saw an end to that as well. To answer your question, men remain in increasingly niche subgroups of other hobbies. The more esoteric something is, the less likely women are to want to get into it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:41:03 No.21484976 >>21484955 Let's just say that when you spend 20% of your life bleeding to death by default, the other 80% isn't a big step

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:43:09 No.21484981 >>21484934 Up until New Jedi Order it was fine, after that Troy Denning got his hands on the main books and turned it into shitty early 2000s edge

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 01:45:03 No.21484986 File: 82 KB, 717x1000, 0d7c7b042ac55a75a059d2a9abc2689b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21484946 She doesn't need to because she has feminist magic.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 02:04:15 No.21485055 >>21482126 >foundation is A >sixteen ways is D It's like you hate fun.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 02:08:34 No.21485072 >>21483420 Wheel of Time I’ve tried the series and wasn’t a big fan but my buddy who like fantasy enjoyed it a lot.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 02:17:42 No.21485109 >science fiction/fantasy books written by woman author that self inserts her fetishes into her stories, but everyone just sees it as brave social commentary instead of realizing the author is getting off on it rec them. the more detailed the better

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 02:18:41 No.21485114 File: 417 KB, 724x481, Shodan-a.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21485109 Bujold pic unrelated

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 02:19:15 No.21485115 >>21485114 rec me books, not names pls

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 02:21:30 No.21485124

>>21484955
HEMA nerds do. Sticking unarmored people wouldn't be a problem, but cardio sucks, and they'd be badly disadvantaged armor vs armor. Give the woman a mace or poleaxe and skill might come into play, but with a sword she's going to get outpowered.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 02:29:09 No.21485147
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>>21484934
>how far did the star wars extended universe end up going before disney axed it?

In the book timeline they went all the way up to the grandchildren of Han and Leia Solo (which is roughly 45 years after the OT). The Legacy comics jumped even further ahead and went 150+ years past the OT with Luke's great grandson and Han and Leia's great great granddaughter being the main characters.

>the original Thrawn trilogy was pretty good but were any other parts of it worth reading?

The X-Wing novels are all pretty great. There are also some really great prequel era novels like Darth Plagues and the Darth Bane Trilogy. But for post ROTJ stuff the pinnacle is the NJO (New Jedi Order). It's a 19 book series that gets some flak for having weird antagonists but it's definitely worth your time. It was originally planned as the ending for the post ROTJ timeline and it shows because everything after it is just crap. Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi that followed it are barely readable imo and only worth it if you really want to see where everyone ended up before the buyout happened.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 02:30:29 No.21485153 >>21484968 >The more esoteric something is, the less likely women are to want to get into it. Very true. That fact really is our saving grace right now.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:24:57 No.21485344 >>21485115 Try google

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:39:22 No.21485405 what are some of your guilty pleasure reads?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:41:12 No.21485411 >>21483843 germany is already a fantasy setting since germany isn't real, retarded frogposter.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:44:31 No.21485427 >>21484934 >I know the original Thrawn trilogy was pretty good but were any other parts of it worth reading? Galaxy of Fear, the Star Wars Goosebumps knock-offs.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:45:32 No.21485435 >>21484859 Which book has the sluttiest mom?

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:45:47 No.21485437
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So I read Wolfe, Bakker, Herbert, Tolkien, Le Guin and some more guys in the big league. Where do you go after that? Are there any hidden gems of the genre or is this it? Will it ever be this good again?

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:49:44 No.21485446
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>>21485405
Picrel. Keep meaning to get back and finish the series. Or browse Amazon and see what they let be published in the erotica section. Honestly I wonder how bad of whiplash I gave the algorithm going from erotica to military scifi.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:52:50 No.21485461 >>21485405 >guilty pleasure s don't exist

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:54:03 No.21485469 >>21485435 My diary.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 03:57:22 No.21485484 >>21485124 give her a dagger and she can stab the guy after seducing him

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:00:18 No.21485495 >>21482002 you can't split up a general bro, you're not a super janny, go make a SF thread, I'll go to it, I hate fantasy myself

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:15:23 No.21485546 >>21485437 Read whatever you want. You're an adult.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:30:32 No.21485605 >>21485437 Read Malazan

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:35:29 No.21485619 >>21483338 The Illuminatus! Trilogy

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:37:44 No.21485625 >>21484879 Why are you asking us?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:41:42 No.21485634 >>21485546 Yeah, but I want to read good shit. Any recs doc? >>21485605 Gonna try that, I think is the last one in the list. I hope it is better than Hyperion.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:43:44 No.21485638 >>21485634 >Any recs doc? There's a chart in the OP.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:47:31 No.21485656 File: 136 KB, 940x529, Kick-Out-the-Jams-UK-Banner-Signature-Entertainment.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21485619 absolutely based

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:54:02 No.21485667

>>21485124
>Give the woman a mace or poleaxe and skill might come into play, but with a sword she's going to get outpowered.
The opposite. Swords are where skill is more important. All you need is one good poke to the chest.

There were plenty of women who served as soldiers and got in sword fights. Like Catalina de Erauso.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 04:59:29 No.21485681 >>21485667 >There were plenty of women who served as soldiers and got in sword fights. People here don't care about that. They only have a pop-cultural understanding of history.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:02:12 No.21485695 >>21485619 haha I've been wanting to read RAW for a while. thanks anon!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:05:41 No.21485708 >>21483338 iron dragon's daughter

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:16:28 No.21485761 >>21482002 It’s stupid as fuck. /sffg/ is shit because people don’t report the obvious shitters and shitposters. Making separate generals won’t fix shit if they are allowed to ruin the generals.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:23:25 No.21485797 >>21485761 Seems too much work for it. Why do that when you could just go to a different website.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:33:34 No.21485830 >>21485761 I like the fact that this thread was made at the dead at night at my time, yet the first ten posts have nothing to do with books.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:41:38 No.21485849 >>21485830 Yeah, the shitposters make it their mission to make /sffg/ unusable. It’s why trying to use this place as a way to discuss books is downright stupid.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:42:03 No.21485851 >>21485830 >people talking about things I don't like mean they aren't talking about books

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:45:17 No.21485857 >>21485851 First ten posts already disproves your point. So I don’t know what the fuck you’re trying to argue.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:52:54 No.21485872 >>21485851 You do know people can just scroll up and see that this thread started off poorly, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:54:51 No.21485876 >>21485872 All the threads start off early, but the recent threads have been shittier than usual.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 05:59:12 No.21485887 >>21485876 Winter vacation.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:00:03 No.21485891
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>>21485435
Skinwalkers and To Sail Beyond the Sunset.
Sioned from sunrunner gets gangraped but that doesn't count
The mom from Dragon Gate isn't slutty but pretty much everyone is attracted to her, much to her shock since she's isn't used to it.
One of the moms of Fifth Millenium was a literal prostitute when she was young (forced prostitution) and the other one is a barbarian that fucks everything that moves because it's part of her culture (including women of course)

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:01:35 No.21485892 >>21485109 Rec what?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:03:54 No.21485899 >>21484859 What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:06:02 No.21485904 >>21485851 What the fuck are you on about? The first 50 to 70 posts are a schizophrenic mess that should have gotten the thread deleted if this was any other board.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:07:47 No.21485907 >>21485904 >The first 50 to 70 posts are a schizophrenic mess that should have gotten the thread deleted if this was any other board. If only we were that lucky.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:07:50 No.21485909 >>21485857 The first 10 posts are all about books

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:10:45 No.21485915 >>21484859 How did you forget the Broken Earth series?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:11:29 No.21485920 >>21485909 The first ten posts are shitposts. Jesus Christ, you don’t think I would scroll up and see it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:11:40 No.21485921 >>21485909 What thread are you seeing?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:12:37 No.21485922 >>21485427 You just unlocked some memories

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:16:15 No.21485933 >>21485909 Why are you lying?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:19:03 No.21485949 >>21485887 >Winter vacation Then why isn’t the rest of /lit/ sufferings

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:21:41 No.21485955 >>21485949 Jannies and miss deleting shit threads

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:23:56 No.21485960 File: 39 KB, 583x375, 1602620172372.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what are some books with tsunderes?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:24:26 No.21485962 >>21485960 Ask google.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:26:20 No.21485970 >>21485899 What the fuck is wrong with YOU? yeah i thought so >>21485915 I don't like black people >>21485960 Belgariad

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:27:22 No.21485976 >>21485915 >>21485970 just kidding, i just never got around reading it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:27:51 No.21485977 >>21485976 Yeah. We know, you’re in /lit/. Why would you ever read.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:28:30 No.21485982 >>21485970 >What the fuck is wrong with YOU? Nothing. The fuck is wrong with you and your disgusting mommy fetish.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:28:48 No.21485984 File: 434 KB, 2507x1267, 10 posts itt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These are almost all posts about books. To continue to argue otherwise IS shitposting.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:28:57 No.21485985

>>21485891
>the other one is a barbarian that fucks everything that moves because it's part of her culture (including women of course)
So she's also pregnant most of the time, right? Because you can't really just fuck around casually without any protection.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:30:47 No.21485989 >>21485984 They really aren’t. I don’t know why you keep trying to defend it, let alone waste time on it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:31:28 No.21485993 >>21485984 I see, I'm just arguing with an idiot. I should have known better given that this is /sffg/, but still.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:37:11 No.21486011 >>21485984 First post is just bringing bullshit from the last thread to the new thread for no reason. Second post is a bot post and the rest of the posts just made sure that this thread would die before it even got a chance.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:41:53 No.21486017 >>21485984 Christ, if this is “discussing” books is to you, then no wonder this general is useless.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:43:26 No.21486025 >>21485634 >Yeah, but I want to read good shit. Then don't read genre fiction books.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:43:55 No.21486027 >>21485667 Armor vs armor. Nobody was wearing full plate in the 17th century. That's showing up to a gun fight while also carrying a sword.

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>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:48:22 No.21486046 >>21486040 Go away bot.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:51:49 No.21486057 >>21485960 Any self-publish garbage books.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:54:47 No.21486067 >>21486046 Go away reddit

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 06:56:16 No.21486073 >>21486040 Why do you keep posting this Reddit series.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:01:05 No.21486090 >>21486073 It’s a bot.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:04:31 No.21486102 >>21486073 because this is a 4chan series. An example of reddit series would Gideon the Ninth or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:04:49 No.21486104 >>21485977 rude

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:09:38 No.21486123 >>21486102 >because this is a 4chan series Someone posted a passage, and it reeks of reddit, so no.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:13:02 No.21486136 >>21486123 That’s because it is. Only esl retards like it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:17:57 No.21486154 >>21486123 are you new here? Progressive literature with a modern progressive agenda is a reddit thing, Reverend Insanity is the complete of opposite of that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:18:28 No.21486157 >>21485437 Vance

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:22:15 No.21486178 >>21486154 Keep lying to yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:29:09 No.21486210 >>21485993 You should have known better.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:30:16 No.21486218 >>21486210 I'm still holding out.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:30:23 No.21486219 >>21485437 Read some books from past Hugo and Nebula awards, not just winners but nominees. Obviously pre 2000

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:30:46 No.21486222 >>21485989 Just stop replying to him.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:32:17 No.21486228 >>21484308 People here actually read this garbage?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:32:28 No.21486230 >>21486228 No

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:33:39 No.21486236 >>21486104 It’s the truth.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:33:55 No.21486237 >>21486219 Okay

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:34:40 No.21486241 >>21486025 This.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:39:00 No.21486262 >>21486228 To call them people would be a stretch

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:39:15 No.21486265 >>21486178 What? Are you saying I am wrong? Is traditional white man literature is now reddit and progressive LGBTQ+ literature written by feminists and praised by New York Times is 4chan? Was I suddenly transported to another universe?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:42:22 No.21486281 >>21486228 Making a lot of assumptions that they’re people.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:43:11 No.21486285 >>21486265 Do you actually believe in the stupid bullshit you spew out or is this all some sort of elaborate bit?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:45:10 No.21486298 >>21486154 >traditional white man literature >by Gu Zhen Re

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:47:10 No.21486304 >>21486285 Yes, I do. This is why I am here, the only the place on the internet that still allows free discussion. Reddit with their identity politics is the very oppposite of 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:52:31 No.21486321 >>21486298 He is clearly an exception. I think asians could write good literature but only if they can to break their ccp or cultural programming imposed on them, which Mr Gu Zhen Ren clearly did.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:54:58 No.21486327 >>21486321 >Asians >Making good literature You really need to get out of your bubble. Your grasp on reality is tenuous.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:57:33 No.21486336 I like reading fantasy books written by women. :)

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 07:58:55 No.21486342 >>21486327 The author of RI has done it, and he is asian. Honestly maybe it was just luck, I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:17:06 No.21486405 >>21484308 How many comma splices did you guys find? Whoever "translated" this didn't know his basic grammar.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:20:42 No.21486418 >>21485437 Then go read classics outside SFF.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:22:17 No.21486421 >>21486405 >Whoever "translated" this didn't know his basic grammar. Its machine translated. No person would ever translate that garbage.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:25:29 No.21486433

>>21485984
The interesting this is though that only 2 messages were deleted from this thread by the janitors and none of them were mine, even though my experience is that whenever I start come here to talk some sense into progressions fantasy retards there arises massive outcries of "shit thread once again" and janitors come to clean me away.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:29:38 No.21486445 >>21486433 That was probably just a redditor tourist who got lost on his way to r*ddit. Redditors tend to delete their messages few minutes after posting them.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:42:36 No.21486491

I've been looking at these threads for a week and got only one worthwhile recommendation (Gormeghast) and learned that there are only two genres people read: pre 2000s stuff and amazon ebook smut "fantasy". A vocal minority advocates for really bad Chinese cultivation stuff. I'm not sure what I was expecting from 4chan.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:45:45 No.21486502

>>21481954
Finished The Pastel City, first novel of the Viriconium stories. And I won't be reading any others. It's similar to Wolfe and Vance, but without the imagination, the characters, pacing or beauty of those two. I do understand now why it's almost never talked about.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:49:55 No.21486519

>>21486491
You got plenty more. Lyonesse, Dying Earth, Book of the New Sun, Solaris, A Scanner Darkly, Fifth Head of Cerberus, Conan. For post 2000 John C. Wright is pretty decent, his recent Superluminary is top quality pulpy science fiction that somehow manages to have planet system sized human fleets fight space vampires for galactic domination, but never gets too corny and manages to be engaging over the entire course of the series while consistently bombarding you with more and more insane concepts.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:52:37 No.21486532 >>21486491 Don’t use /sffg/ for book discussions or tk get book recommendations. It’ll be nothing more than a waste of time for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:52:40 No.21486533 >>21486491 >only worthwhile recommendation (Gormenghast) You are welcome, sir. People who have appreciated Gormenghast might also enjoy The Darkness That Comes Before.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 08:53:38 No.21486538 >>21486491 Check the sci-fi and fantasy charts in the mega, and use common sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:09:48 No.21486588 >>21486491 >Gormeghast But that's not fantasy. It's an alt-history borefest. Are you sure you don't just want historic fiction?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:12:54 No.21486602 >>21486588 >alt-history History of what place? >Borefest You couldn't even finish it I'm sorry, sir. Your opinion counts for nothing.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:14:22 No.21486608 >>21486602 historic ficrtion deal with it , grandpa

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:16:05 No.21486613 >>21486608 >its historical fiction Source?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:17:55 No.21486619 >>21486613 yes

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:18:04 No.21486620

>>21486491
>pre 2000s stuff and amazon ebook smut "fantasy".
I think there's just a very firm disconnect between the two, with modern writing almost fetishizing obsessing over characters and their dramas over actual narrative, story, setting, etc. It's why new readers have problems getting into older genre entries be they SF or Fantasy.

Also, new thread:
>>21486606

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:20:40 No.21486628 >>21486620 not page 10

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:21:36 No.21486630 >>21486628 >nOt PaGe TeN fuck off with your made up rules degenerate

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:22:11 No.21486631 >>21486237 lists are found on wiki. PKD award is good too. I've read most of them apart from the female authors, of which I've read none of them

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:24:23 No.21486641 >>21486620 Wait until page ten, you retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:25:23 No.21486646 >>21486641 >NO; YOU MADE A THREAD WHEN I WANTED TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE IT >I WILL STILL MAKE A NEW THREAD great. once again we will have competing threads

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:26:12 No.21486649 >>21486646 Instead of making up schizophrenic scenarios, how about you have a bit patient.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:27:43 No.21486654 >>21486649 I didn't make the thread. I'm merely enjoying the seething caused by another anon.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:30:48 No.21486667
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>>21486641
you're complaining about someone not being there exactly when it hits page 10 so he can make a new thread. entire point is to have a thread visible, not one that's past the bump limit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:33:15 No.21486670 >>21486502 I read and enjoyed the first two, but I'd seen it compared to Vampire Hunter D rather than BotNS. They were much more straightfoward and the far future setting was bleak rather than mysterious.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:33:53 No.21486672 >>21486620 >Also, new thread: It's already shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:34:40 No.21486673 >>21486667 Entire point is that there is one shizo who makes a new thread everytime, and if someone else does that before him then he starts coping and seething.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:34:52 No.21486674 >>21486672 just suck it up, or I'll continue making threads at page 8

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:51:24 No.21486729 >>21486673 that explains a lot

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 09:56:38 No.21486739 >>21486620 Thread is shit, but that’s to be expected. We really need stronger moderation

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 10:01:28 No.21486749 >>21486739 Just go to r*ddit if you moderation

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 10:11:32 No.21486780 File: 27 KB, 158x132, 1523614757670.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21486491 And how many books have you read in one week?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 11:19:17 No.21486966 >>21481954 You're gonna do it arent you? Page 9 already!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 12:06:16 No.21487086 >>21485667 Poking someone wearing plate in the chest will do literally nothing. Armored sword fighting (which is what he was talking about) is heavily wrestling focused

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 12:20:56 No.21487123 File: 189 KB, 1200x1600, cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21485405 Picrel. Way too long but weaves a pretty good story for most of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 12:25:54 No.21487147 PAGE TEN! QUICKLY NOW!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2023 12:26:55 No.21487153 >New thread >>21486606 >New thread >>21486606

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