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Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:50:04 2023 No.21474225 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:51:37 2023 No.21474232 >>21474225 its not an epic, no poems

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:55:01 2023 No.21474253 >>21474225 Ssoulless and dreadful writing and analysis. One step above a junior in high school. The only redeemable quality is the noticeable lack of solecisms. Only retards take ChatGPT seriously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:55:53 2023 No.21474260 >>21474253 Yet it's not wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:57:48 2023 No.21474275 File: 14 KB, 278x400, 1666215657457626.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Daily reminder that all anti-tolkien threads and posts are part of a coordinatwd demoralization effort by your favorite small hats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:58:36 2023 No.21474278 >>21474275 Why would that be? Tolkien was a famous philosemite.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:58:43 2023 No.21474279 >>21474253 this >>21474260 no, you're just a dumb black ape who doesn't even read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:01:06 2023 No.21474290 >>21474278 Because he was a Traditionalist Catholic trying to bring heroic European myth/legend (which also had a sacred value) back in the European public consciousness, you monumental fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:02:42 2023 No.21474296 >>21474279 I'm probably more well-read than you, specifically in fantasy. Tolkien is mediocre genre trash. If you're a fantasyfag, might as well read the good stuff, not just simp for garbage for the lowest common denominator.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:06:30 2023 No.21474314

>>21474290
I guarantee you're an American. As a European, we have never forgotten our mythology. We have multiple folk festivals all over the country every year.
>>21474296
>might as well read the good stuff
Such as, comic book guy? Your writing style reminds of how comic book guy from the simpsons talks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:06:45 2023 No.21474316 >>21474296 he invented fantasy as we

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:06:57 2023 No.21474317 >>21474275 It's just /tv/niggers who only know Tolkien and GRRM and think that qualifies them to post here. Their minds were probably mindblown by The Silmarillion and The Book of the New Sun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:07:26 2023 No.21474320 >>21474316 lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:08:33 2023 No.21474326 >>21474317 >it's probably [boogeyman]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:16:53 2023 No.21474364 >>21474225 >>21474296 From needing to use AI to form your opinions, to writing this retarded reply, confirms that you are too stupid to be even sentenced to death by the State

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:18:37 2023 No.21474376 File: 82 KB, 976x650, _92723149_gettyimages-480555442.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474225 correct

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:20:53 2023 No.21474388

>>21474364
>From needing to use AI to form your opinions
>headcanon
kek I don't need to do that, those are not the arguments I would use. Just thought it was curious.
>to writing this retarded reply
As opposed to the /pol/tards who like Tolkien because some identify politics nonsense rather than the thing itself? They're essentially trannies.
>confirms that you are too stupid to be even sentenced to death by the State
I live in a civilised nation that doesn't murder prisoners. I don't live in China, or worse, the US.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:26:43 2023 No.21474424 >>21474388 Why can't they like Tolkien because of their ethnicity? What's wrong with that? To compare National identity to tranny shit is peak Steven Crowder conservatardism.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:27:31 2023 No.21474429

>>21474314
What does my nationality have to do with it, you retard? I'm explaining the reason why Tolkien wrote LOTR, in his own words. I'm not American either, so you're wrong there.

Tell me about Beowulf or the Nibelungenlied then. Do you even know what those are? most people don't read them and have no idea that these old Enlish/Germanic/Norse tales are all interconnected.

>>21474296
>fantasy
>good stuff
Is this bait? or are you 15 or something? fantasy is a garbage genre for fat lesbians and shy high school students. LOTR is the only fantasy even worth reading, because it draws heavily from ancient European legends.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:27:40 2023 No.21474430 >>21474317 >The Book of the New Sun reddit

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:28:41 2023 No.21474437

>>21474429
>LOTR is the only fantasy even worth reading, because it draws heavily from ancient European legends.
kek
confirmed for retard who thinks that tolkien was the first writer to draw from european legends
imagine not knowing that lotr took a huge amount of influence from wagner and morris

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:30:25 2023 No.21474443

>>21474388
>like Tolkien because some identify politics nonsense rather than the thing itself?
Tolkien was writing LOTR and his world specifically because he loved European people, cultures, languages, etc., so the European/white identity themes are intimately connected to it. Of course you're too stupid to even know this, and you aren't even white.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:30:30 2023 No.21474444 >>21474424 Who says they can't? They absolutely can but should they? They'd be the same as a retarded BLM negro, reducing it all to tribalistic impulses and school of resentment views.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:31:59 2023 No.21474453

>>21474444
The fact that Tolkien is a reflection of their history and culture absolutely does have an effect on their interpretation and enjoyment of it. A Japanese person isn't going to get the same experience out of Tolkien that an English person would.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:33:57 2023 No.21474463

>>21474429
>Is this bait? or are you 15 or something? fantasy is a garbage genre for fat lesbians and shy high school students.
Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap but that remaining 10% is good. This applies to fantasy as well.

>LOTR is the only fantasy even worth reading, because it draws heavily from ancient European legends.
"Draws heavily"? Quit the use of euphemisms. He was ripping off foreign mythologies left and right. He wanted to write an epic fo England but for some reason ended up stealing from the Nordics. Far from the only thing worth reading, more like the only thing you know.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:34:26 2023 No.21474465

>>21474437
>imagine not knowing that lotr took a huge amount of influence from wagner and morris
Wrong. Where did you get this from, dummie?
>who thinks that tolkien was the first writer to draw from european legends
That's not even what I said, you semi-illiterate chimp african.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:35:28 2023 No.21474469 File: 170 KB, 360x346, 174626511931.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474444 Wow you are fucking stupid.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:36:53 2023 No.21474476

>>21474463
>He wanted to write an epic fo England but for some reason ended up stealing from the Nordics.
You say this as if the English and Nordics are too entirely seperate peoples with no common ancestry, this is like saying a Ukrainian has no cultural connection to Dostoyevsky.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:37:46 2023 No.21474482 >>21474443 >>21474453 Couldn't be more wrong. He wanted to write an epic for England but by stealing myths from the Nordics, which is artificial and retarded. This pan-European /pol/ tier nonsense is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:37:55 2023 No.21474483 Bit AI, the batle scenes in lord of the rings are very very very short,

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:39:24 2023 No.21474491 File: 258 KB, 500x337, Anglo Saxons.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474482 Nigger where exactly do you think the Angles and Saxons came from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:39:30 2023 No.21474493 >>21474469 whoa, you really showed me, froggy. >>21474476 >we wuz vikangs n shieet (m-maybe)! what kind of muttmerican argument is this? please get a new brain

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:39:35 2023 No.21474494

>>21474463
>This applies to fantasy as well.
Everyone's still waiting for you to give us your best fantasy that is way better than Tolkien!
>Quit the use of euphemisms
That wasn't a euphemism, you dumb ape. Why did you respond a second time after already getting BTFO?
>He wanted to write an epic fo England but for some reason ended up stealing from the Nordics.
No shit sherlock, that's what I said. And it isn't stealing, since the myths are public domain, and if you knew fucking anything about these myths and legends you would know that Germanic, Old English, Nordic, are all very closely related. Beowulf also was one of his main influences, and is Anglo-Saxon. Not at all surprising that you have less than an entry-level knowledge of this stuff, and you aren't even white.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:40:49 2023 No.21474501
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>>21474493
>he doesn't know that Anglo-Saxons and Nordics and Germanics are all basically the same people
>he doesn't know what Beowulf is
Why are you even here still you dumb chimp? this is only getting worse for you lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:41:50 2023 No.21474504 >>21474482 The English come from the Nordics you chimp. Get off my /lit/. I would tell you to read Beowulf but you aren't white so go back to smoking weed and dildoing your asshole, gay nigga.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:42:22 2023 No.21474506

>>21474493
https://scholarcommons.sc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3637&context=etd
Here's a thesis discussing the fact that Old Norse and Old English were likely mutually intelligble. This is like pretending Spanish and Portuguese are two entirely different ethnicities with nothing to do with each other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:43:05 2023 No.21474510 >>21474253 Definitely. The sad part is the average normalfag/low IQ like OP won't even be able to notice. It's probably the same with art, but I don't know art as well, I am an art normalfag.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:45:35 2023 No.21474515

>>21474465
>Wrong. Where did you get this from, dummie?
From Tolkien himself you retarded nigger. he took the name mirkwood from william morris for one thing, he was a fan of william morris, he stated it himself
Tolkien basically took wagner and twisted it with his philosemitic bullshit. tolkiens great grandson is now jewish, LOL

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:48:52 2023 No.21474528

>>21474515
>mirkwood
That's a pretty common name, you can find woods going by that name. Nothing close to the amount of material he took from various European legends.
>Tolkien basically took wagner and twisted it with his philosemitic bullshit.
Kek no he didn't you fucking dumb chimp. Wagner was just re-using European lore, Tolkien was doing the same but making a different story out of it, only taking certain themes.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:49:23 2023 No.21474532

>>21474494
>Everyone's still waiting for you to give us your best fantasy that is way better than Tolkien!
You don't get to act like a retarded faggot and then ask for recs. You don't deserve the good stuff.
>That wasn't a euphemism, you dumb ape. Why did you respond a second time after already getting BTFO?
It was. "Draws heavily" is for flaccid dick faggots. If something "draws heavily" in literature we call it a ripoff.
>And it isn't stealing, since the myths are public domain
Nigger tier morals, but it doesn't surprise me coming from an amerimutt.
> if you knew fucking anything about these myths and legends you would know that Germanic, Old English, Nordic, are all very closely related. Beowulf also was one of his main influences, and is Anglo-Saxon.
Ripping off is ripping off. If some German-blooded bastard repurposes and commercializes Finnish myths, that's what any literary person with morals would call a rip off.
>Not at all surprising that you have less than an entry-level knowledge of this stuff, and you aren't even white.
Entry-level knowledge? You're the retarded negro who thinks LOTR is the only thing worth reading in fantasy lmao it's literally the most commercial, lowest common denominator shit in the genre. Also, muh white, this confirms you're a retarded amerishart who has no clue what he's talking about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:50:47 2023 No.21474538 >>21474515 >tolkiens great grandson is now jewish, LOL lmao b-but he's /pol/'s hero?? he was meant to save le white race! wtf went wrong, /pol/sisters?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:50:49 2023 No.21474539 >>21474532 lol doesn't even deny that he's not white.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:52:38 2023 No.21474547
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You retarded niggers are fighting over an AI opinion that isn't evne right, Tolkien IS KNOWN to write short battle scenes, fucking HELL, the battle of fiver armies are just FOU PAGES
FUCK YOU

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:52:57 2023 No.21474549 >>21474539 Yes, I am but no one outside muttmerica identifies with such a vague nonsense. It's all about nationality. For being retarded nationalists, you faggots don't know the basics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:54:29 2023 No.21474555 File: 73 KB, 900x900, 18261338297.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474532 >seething ape won't tell me his "good" fantasy authors to laugh at oh no....guess i'll have to keep reading European lore

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:54:56 2023 No.21474558

>>21474501
>>he doesn't know that Anglo-Saxons and Nordics and Germanics are all basically the same people
Muttmerican views. If they have distinct names, they are distinct cultures and identities. You can try to reduce it all you want, still, it's not the same.
>he doesn't know what Beowulf is
I know it alright. It's another work that Tolkien plagiarized.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:56:20 2023 No.21474569 >>21474515 >Claims huge amounts >best example is a single name of a forest Really bro?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:56:42 2023 No.21474572 >>21474253 >>21474510 The funny part is it’s better than 99% of any criticism I’ve ever read on this board. It’s still bad but I’m constantly reading just terribly shallow “criticisms” with hardly any elaboration.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:56:48 2023 No.21474574 File: 3.28 MB, 635x640, 1671564950657621.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474555 Keep begging for recs. I'm sure next time it would work lmao LOTR is "European lore" now lol

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:57:10 2023 No.21474576

>>21474549
>i-its about nationality
Nationality comes from skin colour you dumb 3rd worlder. You're coping. A English person, a swede, and a German are much more similar genetically and culturally than someone from whatever 3rd world toilet your faggot parents ran from for gibs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:58:21 2023 No.21474581 >>21474558 Guess Westphalians and Rhinelanders are a completely different ethnicity now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:58:52 2023 No.21474585 >>21474296 what? gene wolfe? black company? eye of the world? malazan? they're all boring

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:59:22 2023 No.21474587

>>21474528
>>21474569
> Tolkien had, however, bought The House of the Wolfings as early as in spring 1914,[2] and commented in a 1960 letter that he was inspired by The House of the Wolfings in his depiction of the Dead Marshes and the approaches to the Morannon in The Lord of the Rings.[3]
>Tolkien scholars have discussed several other possible instances of influence that The House of the Wolfings may have had on Tolkien: both specific ones such as the Red Arrow and Mid-mark (compare Mark), and a more general influence such as "the Germanic sense of enemy and battle"[4] and a literary style "heavily laden with archaisms and poetic inversions in an attempt to recreate the aura of ancient legend".[5]
Seething tolkiendrones
Tolkien hated hitler and was a philosemite. Tolkien's great grandchild is now jewish. Tolkien was not "based and redpilled" he was a catholic cuckservative

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:59:39 2023 No.21474588 >>21474576 Go back

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:00:18 2023 No.21474591

>>21474574
>begging for recs
no, i wanted your chimp opinion on what a "good" fantasy author was, since the genre is a joke apart from Tolkien. Fantasy is for children and cat ladies.

>>21474558
Genetically they are the same, and the cultures are very similar, as well as the languages. They are brother peoples. You will never be white. Go back to your 3rd world toilet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:01:48 2023 No.21474600 This review was written by someone who only watched the movies if they think there are long battle scenes in the books. Nothing to see here

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:03:28 2023 No.21474612 >>21474585 > boring So is LOTR but you are right in that these are also dogshit.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:03:57 2023 No.21474614

>>21474587
>Tolkien hated hitler
Maybe, he was at war with their country and was an English nationalist, so makes sense.
>was a philosemite
Doubt it, he just wasn't "antisemitic."
>Tolkien's great grandchild is now jewish.
Irrelevant.
>Tolkien was not "based and redpilled" he was a catholic cuckservative
He was a Traditionalist catholic devoted to studying pre-Christian European myth and culture. So he was pretty based. He would be considered far right today, obviously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:05:12 2023 No.21474620 >>21474558 Europeans basically all share a common heritage that is remarkably similar. The fact that you'd try to undermine this makes you anti-white and anti-European.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:05:39 2023 No.21474622
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>I'm a Pan-Germanist, I'm a Teuton, and the greatest dream of my life is for the South Germanic peoples and the North Germanic peoples and their brothers in diaspora to unite in a fellow confederation.
- Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson, Writer of the lyrics of the Norwegian National Anthem. But I suppose he's just a dumb amerimutt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:05:58 2023 No.21474624 >>21474591 >since the genre is a joke apart from Tolkien Tolkien is one of the middle of the road authors, actually. There are far better books than LOTR. >Fantasy is for children and cat ladies. And for retarded /pol/tards, it seems.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:06:13 2023 No.21474625 >>21474585 the nigga won't say, cuz he knows he was being silly. then he tries to act smug, as if we were going to read the awesome fantasy books he has.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:06:36 2023 No.21474628
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I'm having too much fun with this

Sure, here is a sample paragraph from an Elric of Melnibone book:

"Elric stood in the kitchen of his ancestral castle, preparing his morning coffee. He had always been a connoisseur of the finer things in life, and coffee was no exception. He carefully measured out the beans, grinding them to the perfect consistency. As the aroma of freshly brewed coffee filled the air, Elric couldn't help but feel a sense of calm wash over him. It was moments like these, when he was able to forget about the weight of his responsibilities and simply enjoy the present, that he treasured most.

He poured the coffee into his favorite mug, admiring the way the steam curled upwards. Taking a sip, he closed his eyes in appreciation. It was just the way he liked it - strong, rich, and full of flavor. With a contented sigh, Elric sat down at the table to savor his morning ritual."

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:07:12 2023 No.21474631

>>21474587
Lol you know it's bad when you try quoting something and it proves your a liar who is cherry picking info

>In this novel Morris was perhaps the first to have used the English word Mirkwood, likely derived from Old Norse. In the same manner, J.R.R. Tolkien had created Mirkwood, although it can be seen in a letter to his grandson that he derived the word independently of Morris.

So it's old Norse and he didn't take it from morris

Lol your just a nazifag who is butt hurt tolkien slammed you bitchs when you came whimpering to him

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:07:32 2023 No.21474635 >a pan-germanist is the same as a pan-european >nationality is the same as some vague identity amerimutts strike again

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:09:16 2023 No.21474644 >>21474225 So an average Goodreads review, huh? lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:09:28 2023 No.21474645 >>21474635 You were just claiming Pan-Germanism was wrong when you implied English had no relation to the Norse. This is "let me tell you about your own country" tier retardation on your part.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:11:18 2023 No.21474658

>>21474429
>Tell me about Beowulf or the Nibelungenlied then. Do you even know what those are? most people don't read them and have no idea that these old Enlish/Germanic/Norse tales are all interconnected.
No I'm not a N*rd cuck.
I don't have to LARP as a Pagan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:12:00 2023 No.21474664 >>21474624 >Tolkien is one of the middle of the road authors, actually. There are far better books than LOTR. Prove it. >muh /pol/ back to r3ddit, tourist.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:12:42 2023 No.21474668

>>21474645
>You were just claiming Pan-Germanism was wrong
I never did. Germany is not the same as Europe. Germany is a nation. Europe isn't.
>when you implied English had no relation to the Norse.
I don't remember doing that. I said he stole foreign myths, which is true. We are now entering "we wuz territory", which is unavoidable in every /pol/tard thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:13:07 2023 No.21474670 >>21474631 I don't even think he's a nazi, he's probably a retard leftist or nonwhite falseflagging because we know we won't accept his real arguments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:13:17 2023 No.21474671 >>21474628 i'm an esl who knows jack shit about writing. this is what sapkowsky stole from? even to me it feels extremely uncanny to read

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:14:31 2023 No.21474677 >>21474658 You aren't even white, you're a dirty 3rd world dog. >>21474668 >white people collectivizing? Europe uniting? OY VEY!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:15:36 2023 No.21474680 >>21474677 >You aren't even white, you're a dirty 3rd world dog. I'm literally from the whitest ethnic group in Europe that has the oldest language in Europe. You silly mutt.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:15:39 2023 No.21474681

>>21474668
Nigger, Pan-Germanism is the idea that every Germanic country (including England, and Scandinavia) should be united, it's not just limited to Germany.

There is no sharp distinction between the Anglo Saxons and the Norse, they spoke practically the same language (as I showed you earlier) and worshipped the same pagan gods prior to Christianization.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:15:43 2023 No.21474682 >>21474664 >Prove it. You don't deserve it. >back to r3ddit, tourist. Where they love and worship Tolkien? Fuck, no.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:15:53 2023 No.21474683 File: 697 KB, 1387x1456, 1652565814245.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474635 >Europeans collectivizing under a common identity? OY VEY

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:17:07 2023 No.21474689

>>21474614
>Maybe, he was at war with their country and was an English nationalist, so makes sense.
Tolkien hated nazism before the war
>He was a Traditionalist catholic devoted to studying pre-Christian European myth and culture. So he was pretty based. He would be considered far right today, obviously.
Catholicism is not in any way "based"
>So it's old Norse and he didn't take it from morris
He most likely did
>Lol your just a nazifag who is butt hurt tolkien slammed you bitchs when you came whimpering to him
Tolkien's great grandchild is jewish. imagine having your bloodline destroyed. pretty sad

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:19:08 2023 No.21474695

>>21474680
Doesn't matter if you shit on other Europeans. Your country is being invaded by savage 3rd world chimps brutalizing your people and stealing your resources and you'd rather whine about Nordics (or Nords, as your childish brain calls them). You are disgrace to white people (I doubt you're even white still).

>>21474682
>You don't deserve it.
Sounds more like you're too afraid. I win.
>Where they love and worship Tolkien? Fuck, no.
No, where they all hold each others hand and "fight racism" like pathetic babies crying about fascism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:19:17 2023 No.21474697 >>21474683 That's what the amerimutts do. Due to lack of identity, they find an "identity" in superficialities, like bastards who realize their mother were raped by the same father. It's strictly tribalistic and low IQ but here we are.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:19:42 2023 No.21474701
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OH NO NO NO TOLKIENBROS
>J.R.R. Tolkien, famed author of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, was a man of principle who entertained generations of readers. Now his 27-year-old Jewish great-grandson, Nicholas Tolkien, has written his first play, Terezin, about the Holocaust. On the eve of his play’s opening in New York, Nicholas spoke with Aish.com about what he hopes to achieve – and about his illustrious family.
>Even though Nicholas’ great grandfather J.R.R. Tolkien was not Jewish – he was a devout Catholic – he harbored warm feelings towards Jews and spoke out forcefully against Nazism. J.R.R. Tolkien refused to visit Germany in 1938, and in 1941 he wrote to his son “...I have in this war a burning private grudge...against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler.” Today, Nicholas Tolkien is proud of his illustrious great-grandfather: “He was one of the voices of reason in the British community and was one of Britain’s most pro-Jewish writers.”
>When a German publisher asked J.R.R. Tolkien to prove his Aryan ancestry in order for Lord of the Rings to be translated into German, Tolkien wrote back, “If I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people.”
>In 1971, J.R.R. Tolkien told the BBC that he’d modeled the characters of the Dwarves in Lord of the Rings on the Jewish people. “The dwarves of course are quite obviously, wouldn’t you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic, obviously constructed to be Semitic.” The Dwarves also echoed Jewish life in their intense and unquenchable longing for their native homeland, which seems to many like a conscious reference to Jews’ attachment to the Land of Israel.
But remember guys, tolkien was totally based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:20:11 2023 No.21474702 >>21474701 dude give it a rest no one cares

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:21:49 2023 No.21474706 >>21474702 >tolkien was le based far right aryan >gets proven wrong >dude give it a rest no one cares the absolute state

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:22:40 2023 No.21474709

>>21474689
>He most likely did
>it's true because I say so
The only proof you had was laughable.
>Tolkien is not le ebin nazi therefor he is an irredeemable libtard cuck
You have the mind of a retarded child.
>Tolkien's great grandchild is jewish. imagine having your bloodline destroyed. pretty sad
Honestly I doubt everything you say now, since when you were asked to post proof before it just undermined your argument. But let us play make-believe and assume you're actually correct. Why does that matter? His great grandchild was probably born decades after his death. He probably has multiple family lines too. I don't even see how it's relevant to the discussion. You're like a retarded child, you're so stupid that you may as well be a false-flagging leftist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:23:18 2023 No.21474711 >>21474681 >spoke, worshipped You talk in past tense. Funny. That obviously means there is a sharp distinction now. If you go far enough, you'll realize similarities about lots of ethnicities. Doesn't mean they're exactly the same now or even then.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:24:10 2023 No.21474712

>>21474697
This low IQ reductionist take can be applied to every national identity,
>Europeans aren't real, they're a collection of Germans, Italians, Greeks, Russians, etc.
>Germans aren't real, they're a collection of Saxons, Austrians, Swabians, Westphalians. etc.
>Saxons aren't real, they're just a mix of the Indo-European population and paleo-European population.
>>21474706
it's easy to win when you're fighting strawmans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:24:12 2023 No.21474713 >>21474697 I guess the Nazis were amerimutts according to your mentally disabled chimp african brain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:24:18 2023 No.21474714 >>21474695 >(I doubt you're even white still). True, I'm not "white", I'm an ethnicity native to Europe. "White" is globomutt speak.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:25:38 2023 No.21474720 >>21474706 Nobody is claiming he was a far right aryan. He was a Traditionalist Catholic who was obsessed with European lore, you literal halfwit. You are disproving a strawman that exists in your fucked up tranny mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:25:56 2023 No.21474724 "Whiteness" is a concept Americans invented when they all drowned themselves in their melting pot dystopia and lost all their original culture to the robber barons and capitalism.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:25:56 2023 No.21474723
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>>21474711
You were just claiming earlier that Tolkien was ripping off Norse myths now you're conceding that the English and Norse actually were basically the same people when those myths were written?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:26:56 2023 No.21474727 File: 55 KB, 536x1024, meds.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474724 Wow I didn't realize Juvenal was an American.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:26:58 2023 No.21474729 >>21474724 Also white americans are not the only ones who do this. Black americans do as well.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:27:00 2023 No.21474730
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>We knew Hitler was a vulgar and ignorant little cad, in addition to any other defects (or the source of them); but there seem to be many v. and i. l. cads who don't speak German, and who given the same chance would show most of the other Hitlerian characteristics. There was a solemn article in the local paper seriously advocating systematic exterminating of the entire German nation as the only proper course after military victory: because, if you please, they are rattlesnakes, and don't know the difference between good and evil! (What of the writer?) The Germans have just as much right to declare the Poles and Jews exterminable vermin, subhuman, as we have to select the Germans: in other words, no right, whatever they have done. (23-25 September 1944)
Germanlarpers and /pol/sisters???

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:27:30 2023 No.21474732 >>21474714 Yes, you're spiritually a nigger, because you're anti-white and deny the shared heritage of Europeans. >>21474711 Start arguing any time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:27:59 2023 No.21474733 >>21474730 Nigger no one cares what Tolkien thought of Austrian painter man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:28:07 2023 No.21474736 >>21474713 The nazis were German supremacists. You have literally fallen for Jewish propaganda if you think otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:28:07 2023 No.21474735 >>21474727 He was talking about his skin colour not his ethnicity/race.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:28:16 2023 No.21474737 >>21474709 >You have the mind of a retarded child. Says the retard who has never read a historical epic in his life and thinks tolkien's values are "traditional" spastic

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:29:09 2023 No.21474743

>>21474732
>Yes, you're spiritually a nigger, because you're anti-white and deny the shared heritage of Europeans.
My land has spent the last 1000+ years fighting for its survival while other Europeans tried to take us over and got BTFO'd. You stupid globomutt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:29:13 2023 No.21474744 >>21474723 I'm literally saying they different now even if they had similarities in the past.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:30:06 2023 No.21474746

>>21474724
Pan-European identity existed before and outside of America, you literal retard.
>muh capitalism
It's pretty obvious at this point that you're left wing and just don't want white people collectivizing.

>>21474730
>still arguing with the nazi voices bullying him in his head
Kek, do you know what a fucking loser you are?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:30:29 2023 No.21474748 >>21474733 >NOOOOOO NO ONE GIVES A SHIT IF HE HATED HITLER AND THE NAZIS AND DIDN'T HATE JEWS!!! keep coping /pol/tard, he doesn't share your views.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:31:29 2023 No.21474751 >>21474746 >Kek, do you know what a fucking loser you are? You're an even bigger loser because you keep replying to those posts lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:32:12 2023 No.21474754 >>21474735 Not like there's any correlation between those or something. >>21474744 So if they had "similarities" (that's an understatement) how is using shared mythology from that time period "ripping them off"?

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:32:13 2023 No.21474755

>>21474735
Skin colour and ethnicity and race are related, you dumb tranny.

>>21474736
Wrong. They believed in a pan-European identity. There's this thing called the HRE, you should look up what it is, you dumb fucking faggot.

>>21474743
And now you're being invaded by savage 3rd worlders brutalizing your people and stealing your resources, and you'd rather whine about Nordics and stop whites from having a shared ethnic identity. You're a disgrace.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:32:30 2023 No.21474756 >>21474746 Globohomo always existed in other forms, yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:33:14 2023 No.21474760 >>21474748 I'm not a Nazi you idiot. If anything I support monarchism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:33:17 2023 No.21474761 >>21474744 wait, literally? >>21474751 >n-no you It's OK to cry, tranny. >>21474748 Nobody here was talking about /pol/ or nazis or whatever, they live in your head rent free.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:34:17 2023 No.21474763 File: 45 KB, 680x573, lel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474756 >European shared identity is globohomo

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:35:18 2023 No.21474767 >>21474760 Tolkien was a monarchist and a Catholic Traditionalist. He was basically a nazi as far as modern left wing cucks are concerned.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:35:24 2023 No.21474768 File: 200 KB, 946x941, European genetic cluster.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Even if you're a retard and deny the biological and genetic reality, every European people share a common heritage in Christianity and the Roman Empire.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:36:19 2023 No.21474775 >>21474768 The only people denying it itt are leftists who don't want white people collectivizing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:36:20 2023 No.21474776 >>21474754 It's not shared mythology, Tolkien was of modern German descent. He has next to nothing to do with Karelians and Finns from centuries ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:37:20 2023 No.21474782 >>21474776 No one brought up Karelians and Finns except for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:37:23 2023 No.21474783 >>21474776 European lore is all interconnected, you dumb shitskin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:38:14 2023 No.21474786 >>21474761 >nazi talking points are not like the /pol/ talking points we're using ...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:39:58 2023 No.21474798 >>21474786 >if it's pro-Europe it must be nazis and /pol/ Serious question, answer honestly: do you have a mental disability?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:40:07 2023 No.21474801 >>21474786 dude stop sperging out about how everyone who disagrees with you is /pol/

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:40:48 2023 No.21474803

>>21474782
One of the myths Tolkien stole from is the Kalevala. I've been implicitly talking about those people the entire thread, retard.
>>21474783
He stole from a foreign culture, wrote it in the language of his own culture, and added semitic morality. I'm not sure why this makes /pol/tards cream their pants so much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:40:59 2023 No.21474805 >>21474786 >/pol/ talking points??? >NAZIS????? Poor snowflake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:41:08 2023 No.21474806 >>21474775 it's literally just one guy, the IP count hasn't moved in a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:42:10 2023 No.21474809 >>21474803 When you say Scandinavian or Nordic, especially in regards to the Middle Ages. That generally refers to the Norse, not finns. >semitic morality what the fuck does this even mean

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:43:22 2023 No.21474813

>>21474801
It's ma'am.

>>21474803
>He stole from a foreign culture, wrote it in the language of his own culture, and added semitic morality. I'm not sure why this makes /pol/tards cream their pants so much.
He didn't steal anything, it's public domain and the themes are perennial. Nobody here cares about /pol/ except you. Why does people liking Tolkien make you seethe about nazis and the mexicans who bully you on /pol/? Tolkien was just re-hashing themes from European lore and putting a modern spin on it. Don't cry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:43:43 2023 No.21474814 >>21474798 Reducing everything to race is a common Nazi talking point, especially relevant when talking about a "white" race. On this website, /pol/ is the main board with views like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:44:54 2023 No.21474819 >>21474814 >If you believe a common European/White race exists you're literally a nazi Literally Marxist SJW tier retardation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:45:42 2023 No.21474820 >>21474814 I guess leftists are nazis now. >On this website, /pol/ is the main board with views like that. >this faggot actually thinks this HAHAHAHAH no wonder you're having a meltdown

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:46:43 2023 No.21474822 >>21474819 That's what that poster is, isn't it obvious? just some low IQ NPC who hates Europeans and wants them to be replaced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:47:51 2023 No.21474826 >>21474822 He's probably some post-soviet eastern euro who's butthurt about russians. Those tend to be the people who shout "Nationality, not race"

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:49:53 2023 No.21474835

>>21474813
>He didn't steal anything, it's public domain and the themes are perennial.
He didn't just take the themes. He took plot points, he took names, he took characters. When people with ethnics talk about stealing from another work, they don't mean in any legal literal bugman way like you do. They don't mean an actual crime. They mean it in a gentleman's way.
>Tolkien was just re-hashing themes from European lore and putting a modern spin on it.
And that means he's just like Neil Gaiman. Stealing from foreign myths and modernizing it all in a formless globohomo stew.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:51:39 2023 No.21474847 >>21474819 >believing something exists is the same as reducing it all to that ??? >>21474820 It's a common nazi talking point. I never said only nazis used it, learn to read. Reducing everything to race also exists in other equally retarded worldviews.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:52:52 2023 No.21474859 >>21474847 You just used quotes around the word White showing you believe it doesn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:54:31 2023 No.21474864 >>21474225 From the very first sentence this reads like a pseud post. Not only that, it's a lot more true of Tolkien imitators, than Tolkien.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:59:18 2023 No.21474885 >>21474847 Then why are you seething about nazis if other people can use it too, idiot? learn how to read.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 20:59:44 2023 No.21474887

>>21474859
It doesn't exist as an identity, no. Describing yourself as that tells me nothing about you as a person. It could mean a million different things. On the other hand if you say you are for example ethnically French from so and so region, I can begin to have a clearer picture about your cultural background.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:01:05 2023 No.21474895

>>21474835
Yes, he was heavily influenced by European mythology, he was open about his and it's obvious to anyone who has read any European lore. What is your point, halfwit?
>And that means he's just like Neil Gaiman. Stealing from foreign myths and modernizing it all in a formless globohomo stew.
That's just your ignorant, anti-white opinion.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:02:12 2023 No.21474902

>>21474887
So sharing common Linguistic ancestry as well as close genetic links and Roman/Christian heritage is nothing? Do you honestly believe a Chinese person is just as similar to a Spanish person as a Russian person? European is far more of a real identity than Indian or East Asian.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:02:30 2023 No.21474904

>>21474887
Yes it does, European identity is a real thing, it is above more exclusive identities like the ones you started to mention. You're just anti-white. Even you yourself are calling others american (i.e., not European) because they disagreed with your low IQ, anti-white worldview.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:03:30 2023 No.21474908 >>21474902 He's just anti-white and dishonest, he can't argue any of the points, just repeating himself and insisting that Europeans are all distinct and share no common heritage (a common and obviously false anti-white talking point).

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:04:36 2023 No.21474909

>>21474859
Just because you aren't able to come up with a suitable definition for it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Almost all people around the world would know what you mean when you ask if they are white, and they would identify that way when asked to as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:05:50 2023 No.21474917 >>21474895 The fact that he's open about where he stole from doesn't cancel the stealing, if anything, it confirms it without the shadow of a doubt. He can afford to be honest about his literary crimes only because he's dealing with old myths.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:08:18 2023 No.21474923 >>21474885 Learn to read the room. We're on 4chan where /pol/ exists, do you think some leftist is behind these post? You're very naive if you think you are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:09:09 2023 No.21474926 File: 28 KB, 680x627, america gigachad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474923 I am behind these posts

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:09:18 2023 No.21474929 >>21474923 these posts? You're very naive if you think you are dealing with leftists*

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:09:18 2023 No.21474930

>>21474826
Because we are the ones who have actually had people try to exterminate us, while you sit on your fat American LARPING about muh heritage. We actually fought for hundreds of years, countless rebellions, underground movements, suppressions, to keep our language, identity, and culture. You sold yours for a fries and big mac, so fuck off. Westerners are all LARPERS.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:10:23 2023 No.21474931

>>21474510
You can make some very convincing art with AI. I could show you some of the stuff I've made and you probably wouldn't be able to tell that an AI made it. It's a lot different than AI writing, though. The AI can easily copy drawing/painting styles from good artists, but it can't figure out why a writing style is good and effectively make use of it. Painting a few objects is also significantly easier than following a train of thought perfectly through multiple paragraphs. I can immediately spot AI writing, but AI art is significantly harder if the user is actually good at it

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:12:49 2023 No.21474941

>>21474904
>. Even you yourself are calling others american (i.e., not European)
I mean, they are Americans. See: >>21474926
Americans are bastards without identity so they tried to made an identity out of having pale skin. The Jews invented "white" identity to camouflage. It worked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:15:25 2023 No.21474947 >>21474930 My ethnicity was put in concentration camps in America during WWII and was just straight up genocided by Stalin in Eastern Europe, don't play this goofy oppression olympics stuff Przemyslaw

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:16:53 2023 No.21474954 File: 23 KB, 894x773, 5bb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Jew promotes golobohomo "white" identity because having pale skin, he can camouflage among the gentiles checks out

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:17:35 2023 No.21474956 >>21474954 You were just calling people nazis and now you think Jews are bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:17:41 2023 No.21474957 File: 472 KB, 1079x1994, Screenshot_20230103_221552.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21474225 Holy. Fucking. Shit. It roasted the shit out of me instead...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:19:11 2023 No.21474962 >>21474930 >actually we totally care Sure you do. That's why you'll start screeching whenever anyone points out the role of the zydokomuna running the soviet sattelite governments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:19:48 2023 No.21474966 >>21474956 >everyone ITT is the same person

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:20:26 2023 No.21474968 >>21474966 Yes I believe you are the same person as those other posts. You have the same butthurt energy.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:30:36 2023 No.21475018

>>21474917
He can't steal it since it's public domain. Why would he be open about it if he "stole" from it?

>>21474923
Who said anything about leftists? learn to read, dumb faggot.

>>21474941
You're ignoring the argument because you're stupid or you're just a coward. Here it is for you simply: the fact that you are distinguishing between Americans and Europeans already shows that your argument (i.e., that there is no such thing as a broader European identity) is bullshit.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:32:14 2023 No.21475025

>>21474966
>>21474954
Idiotic argument. Jews actively seek to undermine white collectivism everywhere they go. They have pale skin and can fit in anywhere and change their name (what they have done for hundreds of years), it doesn't matter if there is a broader white identity. A broader white identity (like what he nazis promoted) is what they (and you) are afraid of.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:33:02 2023 No.21475029 >>21475018 >He can't steal it since it's public domain. Again, you're seeing it like a retarded negro, in legal, bugman terms. This is not it and I mentioned that already.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:33:48 2023 No.21475033

>>21474930
You're trying to undermine European identity itt and claiming Europeans have no shared heritage, that's far more anti-European than anything an American does. Also crying about America is so pathetic, you're so blatantly a dumb leftist, getting BTFO itt but sticking around because you enjoy getting abused.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:34:39 2023 No.21475036

Why are Tolkien haters such mind broken losers? OP is arguing with everyone, calling everyone a fag, can't properly reply to arguments, replies with smug condescension when people point out how retarded he's being, uses AI to make arguments, and to top it off, refuses to name better fantasy writers than Tolkien because he knows the moment he does he'll get dunked on for his shit taste.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:34:55 2023 No.21475037 >>21475029 >too afraid to say nigger >he stole it because i say so even though it is public domain and hundreds of years old and i can't even identify what he stole Ha. Kill yourself retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:35:55 2023 No.21475044 >>21474956 this >>21474966 no, just you, anti-white subhuman.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:35:57 2023 No.21475045 >>21475018 >Who said anything about leftists? learn to read, dumb faggot. So you agree with Nazi talking points on 4chan and somehow you don't want to be called a /pol/tard? Please explain that one for the folks at home.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:36:39 2023 No.21475047 >>21475045 What are these mythical "nazi talking points" exactly?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:37:18 2023 No.21475053 >>21475037 >i can't even identify what he stole I've done it multiple times already, newfag. Lurk moar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:37:56 2023 No.21475056 >>21475045 >there are only leftists and Nazis >MUH POL >"folks at home" Serious question, answer honestly: do you have a mental disability?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:38:53 2023 No.21475061 >>21475047 A little game. Count 7 posts above your own and that person agrees with the Nazis (even if he doesn't know what they believed).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:39:37 2023 No.21475064 >>21475036 He/she is always whining about /pol/ because people mentioned Tolkien is pro-Europe of something >>21475053 >calling someone newfag when you're too scared to say n***** >can't back up his argument Try again, jamal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:40:32 2023 No.21475069 >>21475061 So the nazis didn't even believe that yet those are still somehow nazi talking points?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:40:59 2023 No.21475071 >>21475061 >everything i don't like is le nazis Serious question, answer honestly: do you have a mental disability?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:42:00 2023 No.21475079 >>21475061 >racism on 4chan = nazis How new are you?

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:42:43 2023 No.21475083

>>21475036
I said these retards only liked Tolkien because of identity politics (like mindless tribesmen) rather than because of literary quality and suddenly all hell broke lose. Seems like I hit a nerve. I won't name any writers because a) You don't deserve my good taste, and b) You have never read them anyway yet you would dismiss the list all the same. Not my first rodeo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:43:05 2023 No.21475087 >>21475071 I'd like an answer as well, mentally ill people on 4chan tend to be overly argumentative and low IQ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:44:06 2023 No.21475094 >>21475083 >identity politics bad You were just going on earlier about how your epic slav country defended their heritage against countless persecutions.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:47:20 2023 No.21475108

>>21475083
>I said these retards only liked Tolkien because of identity politics (like mindless tribesmen)
Wrong, I like him because of the heroic European lore than runs through my veins, any "politics" is secondary and contingent. Stop being a cucked faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:48:26 2023 No.21475115 File: 46 KB, 817x367, Icelandic and English.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well what do you know, a 12th century Icelandic work says the exact same thing that I've been saying. I guess they're just amerimutts too.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:51:10 2023 No.21475136

>>21475069
The Nazis were first and foremost for German supremacism, but for some reason propaganda made everyone think they were pushing for some "white" pan-european universalist identity. So in a /pol/tard's mind he's being "just like nazis!" even though he's Irish, English, and nigger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:54:13 2023 No.21475148 >>21475094 Not the same person. >>21475108 Biggest cringe I read all day and it confirms what I said so thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:54:51 2023 No.21475153 >>21474225 One word: Elves

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:56:40 2023 No.21475169 >>21475115 >languages come from the same family so that means its speakers are exactly the same. imagine being this naive.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 21:58:40 2023 No.21475176

>>21475148
>Not the same person.
Yeah you are lol.
>>21475136
So he believes something entirely different from the nazis and yet he's somehow pushing nazi talking points? Are you retarded?
>>21475169
Yeah I'm sure the retarded Slav in the 21st century has a greater understanding of medieval Norse identity than actual Medieval Icelanders.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:02:03 2023 No.21475197

>>21475176
>So he believes something entirely different from the nazis and yet he's somehow pushing nazi talking points?
In his mind, he's being le good nazi, so I humor his delusions. In reality, he's a retarded I don't care to correct. Kind of like living with trannies. /pol/ tards and trannies have lots of things in common.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:04:48 2023 No.21475212

>>21475176
>Yeah I'm sure the retarded Slav in the 21st century has a greater understanding of medieval Norse identity than actual Medieval Icelanders.
Identity? The subject was completely linguistic. They speak languages of the same family but that doesn't mean they are the same people. Only an amerifag would claim to be the same nationality and culture just based on vague linguistic circumstances.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:07:33 2023 No.21475217

>>21475197
So you accuse someone of using "nazi talking points" because you're just so kind and want them to feel at home?
>>21475212
There is no distinction between linguistics and nationality, especially in the middle ages. He was very clearly saying the English and Norse were the brother peoples.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:07:50 2023 No.21475219

>>21475169
Nobody is saying they're exactly the same, you dishonest worm. They're saying Europeans share a common heritage, which is obviously true. More proof of this, apart from language, Beowulf (an Anglo-Saxon Old English poem) references characters who are considered Icelandic heroes/mythological ancestors 500+ years before they were written down in Iceland. Moreover, Beowulf is actually about clans in modern Sweden and Denmark, yet it is an Anglo-Saxon classic. It can easily be seen that the Europeans (particularly the more northern ones) share a common heritage/identity. Attempts to undermine this are just anti-white buffoonery and hatred.

>>21475148
>anti-white retard thinks something is cringe
Good, you're a cowardly subhuman and you probably simp for shitskins while attacking white identity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:09:29 2023 No.21475231 >>21475136 They also believed Germanic people existed outside of Germany, you dumbass. >>21475197 >everyone who disagrees with me is le nazi You are like a caricature of a seething tranny rn

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:11:00 2023 No.21475240

>>21475212
Linguistics and nationality/culture are closely related. There's also a very obvious shared cultural heritage when you look at their lore, separate from linguistics.

Also, claiming someone is an american because they disagree with your worldview implicitly admits that you acknowledge a shared European ancestry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:12:09 2023 No.21475244 >>21475231 This is true, the Nazis were Pan-Germanists and supported union with English, Scandinavians, and Dutch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:12:21 2023 No.21475247 >23 posters >185 replies This entire thread is faggot/tranny OP getting xer loose asshole gangfucked by White Chads. You are so bad at arguing, just close the tab, you're getting thoroughly humiliated.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:12:50 2023 No.21475250

>>21475231
>You are like a caricature of a seething tranny rn
You're not even following the thread, retard. That faggot compared the views he supposed with the views the nazis had. Tranny? I compared /pol/tards to trannies in the very post you replied to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:13:22 2023 No.21475254 >>21475136 holy fucking kek you are so clueless

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:15:05 2023 No.21475262

>>21475217
>There is no distinction between linguistics and nationality,
There clearly is. Otherwise labels would be useless. Labels exist to differentiate things, however subtle. A Norwegian is a Norwegian, a Finn's a Finn, an Anglo's an Anglo. They are different.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:17:08 2023 No.21475274

>>21475262
Language was literally synomyous with Nationality (Which means race etmylogically) prior to the modern era. Again you arbitrarily stop your reductionist division at the state level. Why not go further? Why not divide Anglos into Northumbrians, Mercians etc?

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:21:22 2023 No.21475293

>>21474225
>LOTR is a tedious uninspired work that has been elevated to underserved levels of popularity due to lack of better alternatives
I disagree with the pic as a whole but this sentence precisely puts into words exactly how I feel about about so many le classics, like Van Gough's paintings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:21:59 2023 No.21475298 >>21474248 holy shit I'm dying here. Fucken saved.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:23:37 2023 No.21475306

>>21475274
And they spoke different languages so they had different nationalities. You think a French man and an Italian man are the same just because there's some mutual intelligibility and similar origin of their languages? I don't understand this retarded worldview. I have to go to read an actual good book. So long, faggots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:25:27 2023 No.21475312 >>21475306 The entire point I'm making (and that the actual medieval Icelander is making) is that they didn't really speak different languages.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:26:04 2023 No.21475316 >>21474225 Not bad for an AI, But now that I think of it, wouldn't it do the same thing for a Harry Potter critique or Game of Thrones?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:26:58 2023 No.21475319 >>21475312 >anon discovers mutual intelligibility in 2023

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:28:43 2023 No.21475325 >>21475319 So they're actually different languages even though he literally said they're ONE language?

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:35:07 2023 No.21475354

>>21475325
He's saying a lot has changed. It's the same with Romance languages. Italian, French, and Spanish are "the same language" in some vague way, even though a lot has changed. That still doesn't mean they are the same people (and that still doesn't mean they're actually treated as different languages). They have different national, and even regional identities. Wewuzzing can only take you so far.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:37:25 2023 No.21475364 >>21475354 >That still doesn't mean they are the same people why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 22:46:44 2023 No.21475406 >>21475364 Because language and ethnicity are no longer the same thing (and they never truly were, the European region has always been a melting point). Cultures branch out, languages branch out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:12:07 2023 No.21475522 >>21475306 No they didn't, their languages were basically the same, learn about Old Norse you cretin. The ancient myths are also very similar and reference each other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:14:54 2023 No.21475543 >>21475354 The point is that they share a common origin you dumb faggot. Pan-European and or Pan-Germanic identity makes sense, especially when considering pragmatic necessity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:17:06 2023 No.21475553 >>21475406 I still don't see an argument for how they were different ethnicities, you're just saying language and ethnicity aren't the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:19:27 2023 No.21475561 >>21475406 They all come from a common ancestor, had a common language, share the same folklore etc., so they are essentially the same, at least when comparing them to chimp africans like you and your dumb single mother.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:19:33 2023 No.21475562

>>21475522
Tolkien stole from myths from different cultures and languages, not just from one particular one. The Kalevala is in Finnish, Beowulf is in Old English, Poetic Edda is in Old Norse, etc. If you think these are somehow the same language and from the same culture, you're a retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:25:46 2023 No.21475597 >>21475553 Ethnicity is a compound of language, culture, nationality, among other things. We know they are different ethnicities because they vary in all these.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:27:05 2023 No.21475602 >>21475562 You're just going around in circles, I already showed you how Old Norse and Old English were practically the same culture and shared the same myths. Again this is like saying Ukrainians are "culturally appropriating" by reading Dostoyevsky

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:27:53 2023 No.21475606 >>21475543 >. Pan-European and or Pan-Germanic identity makes sense, especially when considering pragmatic necessity. They're not helpful as identity because they are vague, especially pan-european.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:28:50 2023 No.21475613

>>21475562
Wrong. Beowulf is an Anglo-Saxon poem about Scandinavian/Germanic clans, and references Scandinavian legends in writing 500+ years before they were written down in Iceland....and yet, it is an Old English Anglo-Saxon poem, because the Old English and the Germanics and the Nordic were virtually identical, genetically, linguistically, and culturally speaking.

The point is that they are from the same common source. So do you understand what I am telling you, or do you need it repeated again for the 5th time, you literal halfwit?
>Tolkien stole
Nope, he just borrowed it / was influenced by it. That's like saying Snorri Sturluson "stole" the Poedic Edda because he put it into his own language or wrote it down under his name. Only an idiot would say something like that.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:31:13 2023 No.21475622

>>21475606
It has to be defined first. The fact remains that most or all Europeans can trace their ancestry back to the Germanics, the mythology, language and culture also shows this, apart from the genetic scientific data that we have.

You seem very passionate to deny that Europeans have a shared ancestry, despite how obvious it is to anyone with a fully functioning brain. Why is that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:32:30 2023 No.21475633 >>21475613 His takes are literally "Macedonians weren't Greek" tier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:32:35 2023 No.21475634 >>21474253 LOTR literally invented most fantasy tropes. The second paragraph is factually incorrect. Ignorant stupid people are having a field day with these AIs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:35:45 2023 No.21475648 >>21475633 He doesn't even have an argument. People have been refuting him for the entirety of the thread, and he just ignores it and repeats his refuted claim. It's like talking to someone with a mental disability.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:40:32 2023 No.21475667

>>21475634
>LOTR literally invented most fantasy tropes.

Every trope in LOTR comes from some myth or hero-epic tolkien read at some point in the past.

Three examples from the Hobbit:
>The names of the dwarves (and Gandalf) come directly from dwarves named in the Poetic Edda
>Riddle game with gollum is inspired by Anglo-Saxon riddle poems
>Bilbo awakening Smaug by stealing a cup is identical to how the dragon is awoken in Beowulf.

I like Tolkien, but it's a real stretch to say he invented these tropes. More like re-popularised them for the modern audience.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:40:47 2023 No.21475668
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>>21475602
>I already showed you how Old Norse and Old English were practically the same culture and shared the same myths.
They shared some things but that doesn't mean they are the same culture. French and Italians also share some things. And still that doesn't answer for Finnish. He stole from Finnish myths as well. That's an even more foreign culture in all aspects.

Also
>pic rel are the same exact language for a /pol/tard.
/lit/ gets more retarded every year. Imagine think these are a) The same language, and b) That this makes these people the same in every way. I'm just impressed by the high levels of imbecility and lack of nuance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:44:41 2023 No.21475690 >>21474248 >AND MY TAX this is one of those soul-healing keks

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:44:46 2023 No.21475692

>>21475668
It's funny that you call others retarded when this entire thread is you saying something idiotic like "Europeans have no common ancestry" and getting BTFO to the point where you can't even reply.
>le pol boogeyman
I can't say I expected anything better from you kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:45:47 2023 No.21475694 >>21475667 He practically invented the fantasy genre as it is known today. Any writer will tell you this, there's not way you're this stupid.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:46:48 2023 No.21475697

>>21475613
>Nope, he just borrowed it / was influenced by it.
He stole. You don't accidentally name all your dwarf characters the same names like in some other poem.
>That's like saying Snorri Sturluson "stole" the Poedic Edda because he put it into his own language or wrote it down under his name. Only an idiot would say something like that.
Tolkien was mixing elements from different sources and making a bizarre multicultural stew with them and then claiming this was the epic of England and written by him. Snorri was compiling the myths of his own culture, more like a preserver than an author. If you can't see the differences, I don't think you belong in a literature board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:47:20 2023 No.21475699 >>21474248 I fucking lost it at "What about a second bailout?"

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:47:36 2023 No.21475700

>>21475668
>They shared some things but that doesn't mean they are the same culture
How were they different? They were much more similar than they were different. They would have been able to understand each other, even their mythological heroic ancestors were sometimes the same. Not to mention the clothes, weapons, customs, gods, etc. You're full of shit, fag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:47:53 2023 No.21475702 >>21475692 >no arguments about the languages because they are obviously different I accept your concession, /pol/tard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:50:26 2023 No.21475712 >>21475668 Bruh I don't even know what to say, you keep saying the same shit over and over even after having been refuted, also you're an eastern european so this is "Let me tell you about your own culture" tier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:51:54 2023 No.21475717 >>21474671 the witcher novels must be real shit if he took inspiration from moorcock of all people the elric saga is unreadable trash, I didn't make it past two books

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:53:25 2023 No.21475724 >>21475700 Similar=/=same. Plus, I'm not sure what ancient cultures have to do with an Anglo who wrote in the mid 20th century.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:54:22 2023 No.21475727

>>21475697
>He stole the whole story because he used names that are used in European myth
Serious question, answer honestly: do you have a mental disability? I guess all authors have stolen, since most of the names they use came from somewhere else.
>Tolkien was mixing elements from different sources and making a bizarre multicultural stew with them and then claiming this was the epic of England and written by him.
This is an utterly idiotic and clueless summation of Tolkien's work. Have you even read him? multicultural? HAHHAHAHA
> Snorri was compiling the myths of his own culture, more like a preserver than an author.
That's exactly what Tolkien was doing as well, dumdum.
> If you can't see the differences, I don't think you belong in a literature board.
Your opinion is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:55:23 2023 No.21475733 >>21474730 Is this implying that what he said is objectionable?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:55:35 2023 No.21475738 >>21475702 I wasn't arguing with you, I was laughing at how fucking stupid you are and how you keep getting BTFO >assuming everyone laughing at him is from /pol/ Take your meds, you utter moron.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:57:54 2023 No.21475750

>>21475724
>can't answer the question
>shifts the goalposts

>Plus, I'm not sure what ancient cultures have to do with an Anglo who wrote in the mid 20th century.
Oh, the guy who was a world-class professor on ancient European languages and myths? you don't see what that has to do with anything? haha ya man, don't worry about it.

>>21475702
You got destroyed here and couldn't respond:>>21475613

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 23:59:45 2023 No.21475761 >>21475702 >/pol/ I like how insane they've driven you. You deserve it.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:01:28 2023 No.21475767

>>21475727
>Serious question, answer honestly: do you have a mental disability? I guess all authors have stolen, since most of the names they use came from somewhere else.
In this example he stole the exact names for the exact array of characters. Not just say one or two. It's obvious what he's doing.
>This is an utterly idiotic and clueless summation of Tolkien's work. Have you even read him? multicultural? HAHHAHAHA
Yes, he combined elements from multiple cultures including Anglo-Saxons, Nordic, Finnish, Christian, Jewish, etc. Sky's the limit for Tolkien and he himself was open about this multicultural approach.
>That's exactly what Tolkien was doing as well, dumdum.
Not true. He mixes them up and creates his own bastardized version. That's not preserving.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:01:32 2023 No.21475769

>>21475761
Most people don't even use /pol/, left wing tourists just don't understand that far right politics and racism have permeated many boards and it isn't because of le pol boogeyman. pol is mostly not even white, at least half of the posts are trolls/leftists. I don't understand the obsession.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:02:48 2023 No.21475776 File: 26 KB, 474x564, wtf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21475767 >Christian >Tolkien is now a hack for being influenced by his own religion

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:06:35 2023 No.21475797 >>21475776 That's not what I was replying to. I was replying to that idea that Tolkien is not multicultural when he so blatantly is. Have you seriously read Lord of the Rings? It's impossible to deny the multicultural influences.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:07:36 2023 No.21475802 >>21475733 For a /pol/tard, it is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:09:35 2023 No.21475812 >>21475769 >left wing tourists just don't understand that far right politics and racism have permeated many board left wing tourists don't understand that what they label "far right politics" and "racism" are just common sense

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:10:17 2023 No.21475814

>>21475750
>can't answer the question
I already told you. See: >>21475597

>Oh, the guy who was a world-class professor on ancient European languages and myths? you don't see what that has to do with anything? haha ya man, don't worry about it.
So when you're a professor you automatically own everything in your field of study? I'm saying that these cultures are different than the culture that Tolkien had. Get in context.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:13:06 2023 No.21475829 >>21475694 He popularized a brand of commercial fantasy. He did not invent the fantasy genre. Any expert knows this. What you're saying is the pleb/layman view.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:15:56 2023 No.21475838 >>21475750 >You got destroyed here and couldn't respond: You got BTFO on languistic matters here (literally your entire claim) and couldn't respond: >>21475668

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:54:20 2023 No.21475991

>>21475829
>trying to be an aristocrat when it comes to fantasy writers
that's lying saying you're a fast food patrician

>>21475838
That's not me, but that guy is also correct. And you mean linguistic, not languistic, you dumb 3rd worlder. You still haven't replied to the argument, and this must be the 4th time I'm telling you, so I honestly think you're mentally handicapped.

>>21475814
That guy isn't me.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:56:40 2023 No.21475996

>>21475767
They're already all "mixed up" and interconnected, you retard. That is the whole point. They come from the same source.
>Anglo-Saxons, Nordic, Finnish, Christian, Jewish,
Anglo-Saxon and Nordic Mythology are the same thing, Germanic too. Don't know about Finnish, but they're also Nordic, I doubt they're much different. What is Jewish about his writing? he just modernized some moral themes to make it digestible for normalfags/stupid people like yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:57:41 2023 No.21476000 >>21475802 Nobody here uses /pol/, /pol/ spics and nazis live in your fucked up faggot brain rent free.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:58:37 2023 No.21476004 >>21475991 There's no argument. "Their languages were similar, therefore, they are the same people" is the most retarded thing on /lit/ this week so far because it's verifiably false as the picture indicates. The languages were different.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 00:59:44 2023 No.21476008

>>21475797
How is it multicultural? because there are multiple cultures? they are still distinct and do not mix their societies together. That's why modern leftists like you are so upset by it. There are distinct races and culture who remain separate and sometimes dislike each other.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:03:27 2023 No.21476019

>>21475996
>Anglo-Saxon and Nordic Mythology are the same thing
False, they are different things. If they were the same thing they would have the same name. But these cultures grew differently and thus they have different identifiers. You mistake similarity with sameness.
>Don't know about Finnish, but they're also Nordic, I doubt they're much different.
They are different. How much is irrelevant. They are a different culture.
>What is Jewish about his writing?
The dwarves were inspired by Jews.
>he just modernized some moral themes to make it digestible for normalfags/stupid people like yourself.
I don't think you read this thread if you think I like Tolkien, faggot. It's for simple minded people like /pol/tards and other tribalistic retards.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:05:12 2023 No.21476027

>>21476004
The most retarded thing on lit this week is you still not understanding that that poster isn't me, and you still haven't refuted >>21475613
after I've told you about 5+ times.

Also it must be emphasized that that guy is right and you're wrong. Culture and language are closely interconnected, some might even say almost indistinguishable. Old Norse and Old English are very similar, they would have been able to understand each other. Consequently, you can see that the customs, art, clothes, legends, mythological history, technology etc. etc. were all virtually identical. You are a total low IQ hack. My point really backs his up, he is correct, and you're an imbecile literally too stupid to argue.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:06:59 2023 No.21476036 >>21476008 I said his influences were multicultural, that is, they come from multiple cultures. I never mentioned anything about the fictional societies. Also, I'm not a leftist.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:12:21 2023 No.21476065

>>21476019
>If they were the same thing they would have the same name.
>Anglo
>Saxon
They actually do have the same name, you literal fucking halfwit.
>But these cultures grew differently and thus they have different identifiers. You mistake similarity with sameness.
Strawman. I'm not arguing they were the same, they emerged from the same source and are as a result extremely similar, so a common cultural identity may be established.
>They are different. How much is irrelevant. They are a different culture.
Why is it irrelevant? we are trying to establish if it is possible to have some sort of shared European identity. They are very similar, more similar than they are different, if you go back far enough they are actually basically the same. I've explained why elsewhere and you haven't been able to respond to the arguments, presumably because you aren't able to refute them.
>The dwarves were inspired by Jews.
Source? and what does that have to do with his writing being Jewish you fucking stupid retard? That was your original claim.
>I don't think you read this thread if you think I like Tolkien, faggot. It's for simple minded people like /pol/tards and other tribalistic retards.
But you're simple-minded. You cry about /pol/ for no reason and you can't even refute the arguments made, you just repeat yourself like a simpleton after getting BTFO by everyone. So obviously LOTR isn't just for simple-minded people, otherwise you would like it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:14:15 2023 No.21476071 >>21476036 Ah ok, so now it is just that his influences were multicultural? which cultures? Also you are a leftist if you're whining about /pol/ and nazis for no reason. Only leftists do that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:16:10 2023 No.21476081 >>21476065 This kind of petty bickering looks really out of place on /lit/. I wish you'd go discuss your politics somewhere else and leave us to literature.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:16:49 2023 No.21476086 >>21476071 >Ah ok, so now it is just that his influences were multicultural? which cultures? Anglo-Saxon, Jewish, Finnish, Christian, Nordic, Ethiopian, French, Celtic, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:17:27 2023 No.21476090 >>21476086 >Christian as a culture Christianity is Universal

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:18:37 2023 No.21476097 >>21476090 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_culture

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:22:00 2023 No.21476108 >>21476097 Christianity is not interchangable with Ethnic identity, it's a religion, that's Orthodox, Catholic, and Apostolic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:24:15 2023 No.21476120 >>21476108 >Christianity is not interchangable with Ethnic identity, I never said it was but it's a culture. Culture is not only based on ethnicity.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:24:47 2023 No.21476123

>>21476086
HHAHAHAHAHAHA
What jewish influences were there on his writing? which Ethiopan, Celtic and French influences were there? You're full of shit, you can't back up any of those.

Also, as already established, Nordic and Anglo-Saxon are the same, the only thing Christian about LOTR is its morality, which is more to keep it relevant for the time it was published in.

>>21476081
I'm not talking politics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:26:31 2023 No.21476130 >>21476120 You still haven't refuted any of our arguments.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:30:46 2023 No.21476145

>>21476123
The dwarves were inspired by Jews, by his own admission. The Haradrim were inspired by ancient Ethiopians. The Welsh language influenced Sindarin, the elves derive from Celtic mythology, some of the names in LOTR are Celtic, The Mabinogion was an influence as well.

For supposed Tolkien fanatics it seems like you haven't read shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:32:37 2023 No.21476148 >>21476130 You haven't refuted this image >>21475668 Also, your reply has nothing to do with what I said.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:40:35 2023 No.21476185

>>21476065
>They actually do have the same name, you literal fucking halfwit.
Icelandic and Anglo-Saxon are the same name, you literal retard?
>Strawman. I'm not arguing they were the same, they emerged from the same source and are as a result extremely similar, so a common cultural identity may be established.
I never rejected similarities. I reject the idea that they were the same and indistinguishable language and cultures.
>Why is it irrelevant? we are trying to establish if it is possible to have some sort of shared European identity. They are very similar, more similar than they are different, if you go back far enough they are actually basically the same. I've explained why elsewhere and you haven't been able to respond to the arguments, presumably because you aren't able to refute them.
The original claim was that all the cultures that inspired Tolkien were the same as his Anglo culture (he was also German blooded but whatever). We have the Anglo-Saxons with Beowulf, the Icelanders with the Poetic Edda, the Finns with the Kalevala, the Welsh with the Mabinogion. Yes, some are more similar but they are not the same. They are different cultures. What is the point of culture if you just conglomerate everything like a globohomo maniac?
>Source? and what does that have to do with his writing being Jewish you fucking stupid retard? That was your original claim.
His letters. And I'm not saying he was being Jewish. I'm saying his sources and inspirations are multicultural, not monocultural.
>But you're simple-minded. You cry about /pol/ for no reason and you can't even refute the arguments made, you just repeat yourself like a simpleton after getting BTFO by everyone. So obviously LOTR isn't just for simple-minded people, otherwise you would like it.
I see the nuance in cultures. I don't support simplifications, or retarded identity politics. I am far from a simpleton like 99% of faggots ITT who don't even know what inspired the philosemitic nazi-hating man they idolize.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 02:18:29 2023 No.21476349

>>21476027
What that poster fails to consider is:
a) Besides the Nordics and the Anglo-Saxons, Tolkien also took from the Finnish Kalevala and the Celtic Mabinogion (among others but let's keep it short). Notice how he ignored the Kalevala (that I had mentioned) to fit his argument? All these different cultures spoke different languages. Even if the Nordics and the Anglo-Saxon were similar, that doesn't mean they're the same and that doesn't answer for the Finns and the Celts.
b) Beowulf was written some 500 years after the setting it describes. Britain went through lots of invasions and changes during those centuries (and even more in the later millennium). By the time Beowulf was written down, the Anglo-Saxons were already a district cultural and political group, even if they had mutual intelligibility with nearby cultures. The many invasions and migrations from all over Europe made them an even more distinct entity in all aspects. It's far more complex than "they were the same lol xD"

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 03:46:13 2023 No.21476635

>>21476185
Nordics, Germanics and Anglo-Saxons came from the same original source, you can see from their languages and ancient myths, which they share. You can also see it in genetics. Beowulf is an Anglo-Saxon poem in Old English, but it is about clans in present Sweden and Denmark, and references Nordic myths that weren't written down until centuries later in Iceland. Yet it is an Anglo-Saxon poem in Old English. They also worshiped the same gods, who basically had the same names (ex: Odin/Wotan, Thor/Thunor). You obviously haven't read much ancient European myth if you don't know this stuff.

You are a simpleton, you can't even engage in the arguments presented itt, and multiple people have noticed it. It's like talking to a mentally retarded person, all you can do is cry about nazis and /pol/ because people have "right wing" views which everyone including Tolkien had less than a century ago. That's very small-minded.

>>21476349
Old English and Old Norse are very similar, nobody is saying the cultures are the same, you buffoon. The point is that they came from the same source, and as a result are remarkably similar. And obviously they grew separately from one another, yet held on to their ancient roots (ex: like Beowulf) Celts and Finns are different issues not addressed in this argument.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 03:50:29 2023 No.21476651

>>21476145
>, by his own admission
Where does he admit it?
>The Haradrim were inspired by ancient Ethiopians.
Where does he say this? Also, that has almost nothing to do with the overall story. You said the work was multicultural, but all you're doing is showing different cultures that were represented, routinely at odds with each other.
>the elves derive from Celtic mythology,
And from Nordic and ancient Irish. You can't pin it down do one culture, since the myths are perennial.

>For supposed Tolkien fanatics it seems like you haven't read shit.
Why are you assuming I'm a "fanatic"? I'm only mildly interested in Tolkien, I read LOTR twice over 10+ years and read the Hobbit when I was younger. I'm more interested in European lore and ancient history.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 04:08:02 2023 No.21476721

>>21476635
>nobody is saying the cultures are the same
False. Multiple people ITT said they were "identical" or maybe it was just one retarded faggot but the fact remains. You can verify this.
>The point is that they came from the same source, and as a result are remarkably similar.
I never said they weren't similar. I said they were not the same. I've been saying this for ages now.
>Celts and Finns are different issues not addressed in this argument.
Then the argument is incomplete because I clearly mentioned the Finns. The whole idea was that it was okay for Tolkien to take from these myths because it was his own culture, but these are myths from different cultures, most of which are different from his own culture.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 04:16:52 2023 No.21476760

>>21476651
>Where does he admit it?
In his letters.
>Where does he say this?
In an essay.
>Also, that has almost nothing to do with the overall story. You said the work was multicultural, but all you're doing is showing different cultures that were represented, routinely at odds with each other.
I never said or implied people in his work were living peaceful lives. I'm not sure where you're getting this notion. I said his work was a bizarre multicultural stew which is true. He mixes things from multiple cultures. I'm using the word in the most essential meaning, not with any other connotations.
>Why are you assuming I'm a "fanatic"?
Because you have been defending him like a fanatic all day.
>I'm more interested in European lore and ancient history.
Then I'm not sure what you're doing in a Tolkien thread. Tolkien's work is not proper lore nor history.

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