/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21473291]

This is the most important book written in the last century and possibly western history
>Written entirely in one of the two classical languages of Europe
>Saves the entire language: it alone allows to, not only reconstruct, but also learn (and master) all the basics of Latin
>For this exact reason, it's the only book that could be read just by itself, without any external reference or even previous knowledge of the language
>It's not only useful, but also beautiful: its aesthetic merits are increased by the economy of the means used
>The only book that entices vivacious discussion and exchange of ideas by both academics and laymen
If every culture wrote a book like this, there wouldn't be lost languages. In fact, if humanity should contact with extraterrestrial intelligences, should use a book like this. Ørberg is the modern Panini. Every language should have, and not only for pedagogical reasons as we have seen, its own Lingua per se Illustrata

[Anonymous No.21473293]

[Anonymous No.21473331]

Well I'm using Fr. Most's Latin by the Natural Method and a Vulgate New Testament and have felt like I've made immense progress.

[Anonymous No.21473461]

>>21473331
>felt
good luck with getting filtered by your first real latin text
>>21473293
but she's antiLLPSI

[Anonymous No.21473494]

>>21473461
>but she's antiLLPSI
is she? I saw that one vid people have been talking about when it first came out, and I just remember her not being as fervent a believer in it as a lot of people online - not that she's "antiLLPSI" exactly. anyways, I was just waifuposting

[Anonymous No.21473597]

>>21473291
Everyone should read it at least once in life, even if you're not interested in learning Latin. It's like having before of your eyes a mysterious codex in an unknown language, but it deciphers itself as you continue reading. It's almost a mystic experience.

[Anonymous No.21473792]

>>21473597
you're doing a good job selling this anon. think im buying

[Anonymous No.21473797]

>>21473792
>selling
>buying
https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw

[Anonymous No.21473845]

>>21473797
i meant it figuratively but thanks.

[Anonymous No.21473951]

llpsi is useless shit and its fanboys are fucking retarded. show me one single person who has learnt any decent latin following the stupid method championed by llipsitards, I'll wait

[Anonymous No.21473956]

>>21473597
so llpsitards are a religious cult now, huh?
why it doesn't surprise me

[Anonymous No.21474773]

>>21473951
Unsurprisingly, threads fellating LLPSI are notorious for their lack of latin. They can't write it, and can't understand the nuances of the latin they read.

[Anonymous No.21474955]

>>21474773
>omg the style of this author is so good, he's using here the *looks up cheatsheet* the associative-instrumental ablative of manner instead of the more common... *looks up cheatsheet again to see which prepositions could have been used instead*, and how he uses this verb, amazing! *searches the definition for a second time* and the fact he's using the imperfect instead of the perfect tense! *enumerates half the uses he's reading on the perennially open tab with Allen and Greenough's Latin grammar* wow I totally get it! *goes to bed after spending 5h reading a sentence and an extra hour bashing about llpsi online*

[Anonymous No.21474969]

>>21473291
I can guarantee your Latin is shit. That books will help you sound like a two year old in Latin. Good luck reading Ovid, retard. And for anyone who cares, the best way to learn Latin is master a Romance language first (till the point where you can read it at the same rate as your native tongue). Then just read bilingual Latin texts. It comes naturally to anyone who isn't a goof.

[Anonymous No.21474984]

>>21474969
>the best way to learn Latin is master a Romance language first. Then just read bilingual Latin texts
I can guarantee your Latin is shit.
t. romancenigga

[Anonymous No.21474996]

>>21474984
>It comes naturally to anyone who isn't a goof.
Sorry, but turns out you're a goof.

[Anonymous No.21475007]

>>21474996
come mi polla, subnormal

[Anonymous No.21475035]

>>21473291
>letting a nord teach you latin
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[Anonymous No.21475048]

>>21475035
>caring about what a latin-ebonics "speaker" "thinks"
AHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.21475072]

why do eurospics and pastaniggers believe their africanized creoles give them any sort of authority when talking about Latin?

[Anonymous No.21475117]

>>21475048
>barbarian subhuman
HAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.21475135]

>>21475117
>sent from some third world shithole
HAHAHHAHAH

[Anonymous No.21475142]

agreed OP, good post, i think you may have been inspired by my comments on LL in a recent thread

[Anonymous No.21475143]

>>21475072
>anglx tranny
Your language is the pidgin rapebaby when Frenchmen mass raped Anglx-Saxonex boipussy in 1066 giving birth to English, the Indo-European “language” with no gender, no conjugation, no cases, defective number, and no real semantic distinction agreed by speakers between the words ‘man’ and ‘woman’
Also, enjoy getting ethnically replaced by spics and pakis, Judeophile angloid subhuman

[Anonymous No.21475150]

>>21475143
based af

[Anonymous No.21475151]

>>21475135
>worships niggers
>no healthcare
>no race
>no language
>tranny cock licker
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.21475154]

>>21473291
overall I don't agree with you but this part seems interesting
>the only book that could be read just by itself, without any external reference or even previous knowledge of the language
is this true? does this exist as a literally genre? (self-explanatory books that can be completely understood without any external reference or knowledge)

[Anonymous No.21475167]

>>21475143
>>anglx tranny
I'm not anglo, though

[Anonymous No.21475174]

>>21475154
Doesn't matter. Learning Latin from a snownigger is like learning weightlifting from woman. You may as well give up. OP is excited that he can say things a 3 year old could've said in Latin. It's embarrassing. The equivalent of "I took a French in high school" but for incels.

[Anonymous No.21475195]

>>21475174
>is like learning weightlifting from woman.
>mogs you into oblivion
not only you're a DYEL but you don't know any Latin either

[Anonymous No.21475201]

>>21475195
>posting a roidtranny
kys

[Anonymous No.21475204]

>>21475143
got his ass

[Anonymous No.21475216]

>>21475201
>actually mogged by a woman
looooooooool just kill yourself dyel latinlet

[Anonymous No.21475223]

>>21475174
I wasn't asking about learning latin, learn2read

[Anonymous No.21475229]

>>21475195
>can barely lift more than an untrained man despite roiding her clitoris into a small cock
KEK

[Anonymous No.21475251]

>>21475229
>roiding her clitoris into a small cock
h-hot
would sucking it make me gay?

[Anonymous No.21475271]

>>21475225
lmao pathetic romancenigger butthurt to the point he has to spam the other thread desperately asking for approval

[Anonymous No.21475273]

>>21475154
A guy named Jensen copied the format for French and I think Italian, and there's others too.

[Anonymous No.21475278]

>>21473291
>They hated him, for he spoke the truth

[Anonymous No.21475301]

"Lest you say, however, that my criticisms and apocalyptic predictions are unfounded, I will show you a concrete example of how the process is already underway. The most popular material for "direct" teaching of Latin is that of Hans Ørberg, entitled lingua latina per se illustrata; in it one can already see several elements of the degradation described above. I quote the text of one of the first lessons, and ask the reader to pronounce everything, patiently, aloud:

iulia cantat: lalla. Iulia laeta est.
Marcus: st! Marcus laetus non est.
Iulia cantat: lalla, lalla.
Marcus: ssst! Marcus iratus est.
Iulia cantat: lalla, lalla, lalla.
Marcus iuliam pulsat.
Iam iulia non cantat, sed plorat: uhuhu!
Marcus ridet: hahahaha!

It did not seem appropriate to reproduce the illustrations. So that the student doesn't have -- poor thing! -- to see a vocabulary, in which laetus would appear next to the translation "joyful, happy", we have to repeat, like mental patients: iulia laeta est; marcus laetus non est, as we look at the illustrations, in which iulia appears smiling, and marcus, angry. After being hit by marcus, we read, iulia non cantat, sed plorat, which would already be repulsive enough to any living intelligence but still lacks the complement: uhuhu. And, as if marcus ridet weren't obvious enough, we still have to recite, with classroom gravity: hahahae. Anyone familiar with the language courses that are popular around the world is already familiar with these artifices, and knows that, in the classroom, they must be complemented by mime and other circus activities. And that's the price to pay if we want to eliminate translations. Before, we read Cicero and Horace to the children; now, we meditate on iulia and her uhuhu.

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[Anonymous No.21475303]

>>21475229
In fairness, every athletic achievement since the advent of hormonal supplementation is invalid, male or female.

[Anonymous No.21475305]

I know that many, especially those whose mentality has already been irremediably deformed by modern pedagogy, will claim that this is necessary for the little ones. What can you tell me about adults who study using the same method, and who are, by the way, the majority? Has this time already degenerated to the point of losing track of the obvious? Anyone who stoops to reading aloud -- worse, to acting -- the story reproduced above, muffling the natural revolt and sense of ridicule, becomes even more stupid in the act. There is no quicker way to stupidity than to make a willful idiot of yourself; this has always been known to men, by virtue of mere intuition.
Today, in addition, there is even the developed discipline of psychodrama, used by social engineers to reduce children's brains to dust, turning them smoothly into automatons. Language courses use these techniques to inculcate linguistic habits, and most users think that nothing else happens in the process. It is irresponsible naivety.

The great pedagogues have always recognized the importance of teaching with high quality material, not from the point of view of didactic effectiveness, but from the point of view of objective literary value. Not even the simple recitation of a text could dispense with the examination of its content, as it would be imprinted in the memory and, therefore, would have some effect on the soul. This practice degenerated, in the modern age, into mere moralistic training (leading to the monstrous psychological manipulation promoted today in classrooms by globalist organizations), but it was originally more ambitious: it aimed to imprint in the child's mind images of everything that was good and beautiful, and always to be the best from the beginning. This was the demand of Quintilian, perhaps the greatest pedagogue of antiquity and certainly one of the most influential, both in the Middle Ages and in the Renaissance: that the child, as soon as he began to write his first words, copy excerpts from poets and maxims of high moral content; and that, when she was reading with some ease, she should read the great Virgil right away. And he added, perhaps anticipating the objection of the moderns: to understand Virgil's virtues, a more trained intelligence is needed; however, there will be plenty of time for that, and it will not be read just once... What would Quintilian think of our Laeta Iulia and her Marcus Iratus, who are applauded, not by inexperienced and immature children, but even by adults in universities?"

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https://rafaelfalcon.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Sobre-a-Arte-de-Ler-em-Latim.pdf
google translate

[Anonymous No.21475313]

>>21475301
>>21475305
Wow, thank you sir, now I can understand 2 year old level Latin! Tell me sir, don de es ta el banio?

[Anonymous No.21475339]

>>21475305
how does this retard explain the existence of stuff like the H e r m e n e u m a t a P s e u d o d o s i t h e a n a

https://www.hs-augsburg.de/~harsch/Chronologia/Lspost03/Dositheus/dos_col0.html

[Anonymous No.21475346]

>>21475305
Seems like he's seething disproportionately hard from a harmless depiction of children playing.

[Anonymous No.21475357]

>>21475313
That isn’t Spanish, paki rapebaby

[Anonymous No.21475361]

>>21475346
reading a couple of onomatopoeiae in public can be very traumatizing for an autistic man

[Anonymous No.21475387]

I've read the entirety of LLPSI and I think it'd be fun to do a short story sentence by sentence that all of us LLPSIchads can contribute to. I will start:
>Iulius cantat orribile perque non possat incontrare el banio para facere caca gigantissima, se non Roma in Italia est.

Please keep the story going, guys. I know with LLPSI we all have a very high level of Latin now so I think we can show this to the haters to prove them wrong.

[Anonymous No.21475408]

>>21475387
kek, you wouldn't be able to write even your own post in latin, you're as much of a retard as the average LLPSI fanboy

[Anonymous No.21475417]

I've got no dog in this race, and reading through this thread has thoroughly bewildered me. How on Earth is it possible to have opinions as strong as these about a language textbook? Is this the "enlightenment" that comes with reading the classics?

[Anonymous No.21475428]

>>21475417
I was wondering the same thing.

[Anonymous No.21475430]

>>21475417
If by classics you mean llpsi and latin primers, yes.

[Anonymous No.21475434]

>>21473461
>good luck with getting filtered by your first real latin text
again, haven't felt filtered at all

[Anonymous No.21475437]

>>21475430
........

[Anonymous No.21475456]

>>21475417
I'm like 70-80% sure there is one specific autist rallying up most of this shitstorm, he used to pester the /clg/ general before discussion of this book was de facto banned due to derailing multiple threads. I think he got filtered by it and has made its mission to shit upon it, though, truth to be told, the nature of the book attracts lots of pseuds with only passing interest in Latin who maybe start reading it(since the strength of the book is precisely guiding even the laziest self-learners in a gradual mostly painless process), never really get to a deep Latin before dropping it, yet speak of learning Latin as if they were scholars in linguistic acquisition.

That being said, I used both methods for Latin and Greek, respectively grammar-translation and LLPSI style(Athenaze), both are fine as long as one key ingredient is there which makes all the difference and which would make these discussions rather pointless: constant effort. If you have that any old book will do it, and the key ought to be to use whatever book/method keeps you engaged day by day.

[Anonymous No.21475461]

>>21475417
>strong opinions
I just believe that LLPSI readers should be put to death

[Anonymous No.21475499]

More than a thousand years later, Erasmus of Rotterdam wrote his Colloquia Familiaria to facilitate the learning of spoken Latin, which at the time, in addition to being a pedagogical tool, was a very effective resource for traveling around Europe without knowing five different languages. The Colloquia, despite having relatively simple vocabulary and a more didactic structure than that of Cicero's texts, are dialogues of great elegance, whose style is very reminiscent of Terence. Some critics claim that it was in the Colloquia that Erasmus achieved his most perfect literary expression. However, in the preface our author had to justify himself for, being a mature man, dedicating his attention to “childishness”. The work seemed excessively puerile and vulgar, since the subject of the dialogues was light, and its treatment, mildly comic, literary characteristics convenient to the genre, but little accepted by the morality of the time, formed as it was in the principles of Quintilian. Nor did Erasmus think much differently – he reaffirms many times, in his De Ratione Studii, that one must read the best materials from the beginning and he justified these lighter texts as the sugar we add to certain medicines, to make it easier for children to take them. If his dialogues, which are veritable works of literature, were like sweetened medicine for him, what would he say about Hans Ørberg? Pure sugar, and without the medicine together! What result can something like that have, if not a type of intellectual diabetes?

What I say about Ørberg applies, with all due proportions, to any method that uses adapted or facilitated texts, or that follows the principles of the “natural method”. And yet many, more and more, will continue to use them and justify themselves, while they postpone again and again, as adults, what the pupils of blessed Alcuin did in their earliest childhood. It is because “they are not yet prepared” for the classics; the old methods are “too hard”. Jane Welsh Carlyle, wife of the essayist Thomas Carlyle, memorized by herself, at the age of four, the declension of the word penna, to convince her father to send her to Latin school. At nine, she was reading Virgil. In the 19th century, this method was good enough for a four-year-old Englishwoman, but it no longer works for a thirty-year-old American. Don't talk to me, Erasmus, about "childishness". This is the age of childishness. And that unfortunately comes at a price.

[Anonymous No.21475501]

>>21475461
nothing wrong with that

[Anonymous No.21475548]

>>21475499
>age of childishness
I've seen footage of Carnival and these guys literally worship huge greased up brown asses for Lent.

[Anonymous No.21475550]

>>21475499
most books of the Lingua Latina series are just annotated and macronized writings by classical authors, what the fuck are you bumbling about

[Anonymous No.21475551]

>>21475499
the examples with children are always so out of place, children if anything have a much easier time learning languages than adults, they are natural language learners at that age
plus the point is, a 30 years old American who seriously studies through LLPSI and similar, can reasonably read the Aeneid in much less than 5 years

>Pure sugar, and without the medicine together!
not true, these books are more like a gradual process by which one starts with sugar, then throughout it medicine is slowly added to it while slowly removing the sugar, until one without even realizing it is taking medicine with only very little sugar with it, if not none at all

plus, and this isn't a fucking trivial matter, we are of course talking about people who in one case were learning these subjects for a living and often a lifetime, vs amateurs who still want to learn those language to a reasonable levels by have also other daily occupations

[Anonymous No.21475557]

What is the point of learning Latin anyway

[Anonymous No.21475560]

>>21475557
thousands of /lit/erary works that aren't accessible in any other language.

[Anonymous No.21475576]

>>21475560
Like what

[Anonymous No.21475581]

>>21475560
oh yeah, MILLIONS dude

[Anonymous No.21475587]

I would personally simply open the Aeneid with a dictionary at hand and start reading.

[Anonymous No.21475589]

>>21475271
Not me, judeotranny. If anything you went to that thread to post that comment so you could come here and accuse me of doing it. Typical judeoanglx behaviour.
Heil Holocaust and hail pakis

[Anonymous No.21475595]

>>21475589
What the fuck

[Anonymous No.21475608]

>>21475587
>with a dictionary
what for?

[Anonymous No.21475728]

>>21475434
of course you didn't since you aren't reading any real latin

[Anonymous No.21475744]

>>21475174
Read Hegel's essay on abstract thinking.

[Anonymous No.21475779]

So, if I want to learn latin, what should I use, if I have zero previous knowledge? Is this book even worth it to read at some point?

[Anonymous No.21475833]

>>21475779
>at some point?
just start with it, see how it goes, you already know the Latin alphabet and a fuckton of cognates through english alone, and that's more than enough to start

[Anonymous No.21476354]

>>21475833
no it isn't

[Anonymous No.21476446]

>>21475779
>So, if I want to learn lain
Just watch Lain. Its a great show. If you still have any problems learning lain, just speak to /lgbt/

[Anonymous No.21476480]

>>21473797
This is cool, but which is the one OP posted? There's like 15 by the author.

[Anonymous No.21476484]

>>21475744
>Read Hegel
ask me how i know you're a tranny

[Anonymous No.21476759]

>>21476480
The main volume of LLPSI is called "Familia Romana." The student handbook (containing some English instructions) is called Latine Disco. The teacher's manual (which you'll want for the answer key) is called Latine Doceo. If you want more practice exercises, there is a workbook called Exercitia Latina. Those are the core books you want for the volume 1 course.

[Anonymous No.21476971]

>>21476759
and then there's this

[Anonymous No.21477002]

>>21476971
all useless shit like the first book

[Anonymous No.21478170]

>>21476484
how do you know it is a tranny?

[Anonymous No.21478817]

>>21473291
why are all these morons fighting about a book ? the point is to read 10 of these with increasing difficulty and then jump into real authors who are easier to read. Only when you'll have read 100 books in the language should you consider yourself competent in the language. im learning french , not latin and im quite certain that the learning process must be the same.

[Anonymous No.21478827]

>>21478817
> fuck , too much repetition ! consider my esl retardation as a sign of pride for knowing 4 languages

[Anonymous No.21478910]

>>21475072
We understand 30% of Latin without even learning it. Meanwhile snowniggers take 2 years to grasp those 30% alone, nevermind they can't even pronounce it as well as we can.

[Anonymous No.21479119]

>>21478910
the original phonology of latin is much closer to germanic languages than to graseballs' and spics', check Allen's Vox Latina

[Anonymous No.21479153]

>>21478827
dumb monoglot

[Anonymous No.21479678]

>>21479119
>original phonology of latin is much closer to germanic languages
Yeah, Hadrian sounded more like someone from Wisconsin than Argentina. E-celeb cultists just regurgitate bad takes verbatim and cite the same 3 resources over and over.

[Anonymous No.21479783]

>>21479119
>the original phonology of latin is much closer to germanic languages
>>21479678
I don’t remember original Latin saying “mashallah” and getting browned though ;)

[Anonymous No.21479841]

>>21475595
He can't handle having to speak the language of his superiors.

[Anonymous No.21480134]

>>21475143

[Anonymous No.21480240]

>>21479678
>doesn't know who Allen is
fucking lmao, do you think he's a youtuber??

[Anonymous No.21480309]

>>21474955
What Latin have you read? Do you have any degrees to back up your mad skillz?

[Anonymous No.21480482]

>>21473291
what you fell to understand is that latin is a jewish language used to talk about the jewish god
you want to be free of judaism, you learn greek, sanskrit

[Anonymous No.21480591]

>>21480482
>t. kike

[Anonymous No.21481249]

>>21480482
>>21480591
Yawn

[Anonymous No.21481320]

>>21475301
i think that these sections are mostly for getting used to the sound, rhythm and word order of latin. also, the first few hundred words that you memorize are going to take a lot longer to memorize than later, so more time should be spent on them. these early chapters shouldnt take long at all, so you really are reading into this more than its worth.

[Anonymous No.21481341]

>>21475417
this is the concentrated autism /clg/ kicked out of its space into regular /lit/ space. go into any general on any board and you will find a similar amount of obsession and autism

[Anonymous No.21481354]

>>21476971
im like 75% through with this reading list, reading the abridged aeneid. i think its a pretty good reading list. i skipped fabellae latinae. i would suggest saving de bello gallico and amphitryo for after you have read sermones romani and epitome historiae sacrae. I read it in a different order and I felt like it would have been way easier that way.

[Anonymous No.21481750]

>>21473291
>This is the most important book written in the last century and possibly western history
I'll bite, how is it the most important book?

[Anonymous No.21481857]

>>21480240
I know who Sidney Allen is, I have Vox Latina. He's is the primary source that bald retard cites to justify his awful phonology. I was not calling Allen a youtuber, but you already knew that.
>E-celeb cultists just regurgitate bad takes verbatim and cite the same 3 resources over and over.
Allen is one of those 3 sources that are cited.

Go back to your containment thread.

[Anonymous No.21482048]

>>21481857
>He's is the primary source that bald retard cites to justify his awful phonology
wrong, he hates Allen
>>21481857
>Go back to your containment thread.
this is the containment thread, retard

[Anonymous No.21482065]

>>21482048
>this is the containment thread, retard
You know what. You're right and I actually am a retard.

[Anonymous No.21482116]

>>21475195
>>21475271
>>21475313
>>21475417
>>21475595
>>21479119
>>21479678
>>21479841
>>21480482
>>21481857
Romans thought that the ancestors :) of you Germans, Scandinavians, and especially of you subhuman English speakers were animals. If they saw you in front of them, they would throw up and recompose themselves quickly to deport you back to the German swamps.
"In a well-known saying Sidonius Apollinaris stated that he avoided the barbarians even when they were decent people. "
"Ennodius in Pavia also thought that the Gothic language of King Euric was mere 'barbaric mumbling'"
Aristotle's Politics Chapter 7: "The nations inhabiting the cold places and those of Europe are full of spirit but somewhat deficient in intelligence and skill"

[Anonymous No.21482150]

>>21473291
>(and master)
kek no

you clearly didn't take any latin class

[Anonymous No.21482186]

>>21482116
lol buthurt moor rapebaby

[Anonymous No.21482781]

>>21482150
>teachers have magical psychic powers that allow them to transmit knowledge unlearnable though books

[Anonymous No.21482825]

>>21473291
LINGVA LATINA NON PENIS CANINA EST

[Anonymous No.21483174]

>>21475417
>>21475428
>>21475456
>>21481341
I'm trying to ignore the schizo retard in this thread but I have questions
Is it easier to learn Latin if, say, your primary language is portuguese? I did 3 years of law school but never went deep into Latin besides the stuff I was using.
What is the best alternative to learn Latin if not this book?

[Anonymous No.21483211]

>>21483174
>Is it easier to learn Latin if, say, your primary language is portuguese?
yes, not only a lot of vocabulary will be similar but you will be already familiar with a lot of grammar (using the perfect vs imperfect tenses, subjunctive, etc)
>What is the best alternative to learn Latin if not this book?
this is a graded reader, and not the only one, but maybe the best for starters; usually people start with a latin primer which explains grammar and introduces vocabulary and includes examples and reading/translating exercises; for anglos the most famous is possibly Wheelock's, but try to find one in your language, which will be more specific to your needs, just look up what universities use in your country
t. the thread's schizo

[Anonymous No.21483226]

>>21483174
>What is the best alternative to learn Latin if not this book?
Why do people keep asking this retarded shit over and over again?

Just buy a fucking grammar primer and finish it then start reading texts. Holy shit how many times does this have to be said??? Maybe try what people have been doing FOR CENTURIES. Get Moreland & Fleischer's "Latin: An Intensive Course" for Classical Latin or Collin's "Primer of Ecclesiastical Latin" for Christian stuff. Just read it and finish it, then read as much real Latin as possible. LLPSI is not a textbook, it's a graded reader. Read it along with as many other graded readers as possible, then do Nepos, Eutropius, & Caesar.

Now fuck off and study you piece of shit. Don't even reply to me. I don't want any (you)s. I want YOU to go study.

[Anonymous No.21483231]

>>21483211
>usually people start with a latin primer
i mean, if you start from zero you should probably use one of those instead of jumping directly to llpsi
other people have the opposite opinion, though

[Anonymous No.21483237]

>>21483226
>Get Moreland & Fleischer's
he's Portuguese you nigger

[Anonymous No.21483287]

>>21475728
depends what you mean by real latin because the vast majority of latin ever written is varieties of larp.

>>21473291
you are totally wrong. a language isn't just that. to truly know a language you must know how something is supposed to be said in it. you must know how just about anything should be said and the complicated patterns therein to make new things.

simply learning words and grammar does not tell you this and will not transfer to fluent, correct use of the language or the ability to read it. and something pedagogical gets in the way of this too because it is intentionally unnatural. never mind this case, which is even worse (not to say the book is a bad place to start learning, it's a very good place).

you can't summarise this. in reality you would end up taking a shell and imposing your own language or worse your own reasoning and assumptions about how it would work and how you would say something. it is not a complete language just in this sort of text alone. unfortunately, though language seem like systems and though they are, they are not systems as in the grammars created to describe or teach them. they're not generated from a grammar.

[Anonymous No.21483314]

>>21483237
Did he ask for Portuguese textbooks? He was asking if knowing Portuguese helps.

[Anonymous No.21484006]

Why did Romans put "Is" on the end of their sentences?

[Anonymous No.21484257]

>>21483287
t. hasn't read LLPSI

[Anonymous No.21485628]

Bumping this horrible thread

[Anonymous No.21486476]

>>21485628
thanks

[Anonymous No.21486755]

Bumping this awesome thread.

[Anonymous No.21486791]

>>21486755
unthanks

[Anonymous No.21487396]

>>21486791
You're not welcome.

[Anonymous No.21487404]

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[Anonymous No.21487421]

Wow, I love learning Latin. LLPSI is such a pretty shade of orange. I love reading all the various things I couldn't have read otherwise, such as:

[Anonymous No.21487433]

>>21487404
kek

[Anonymous No.21487612]

Maybe a bit off-topic, but what are the best resources for learning Ancient Greek?

[Anonymous No.21487647]

>>21487612
I'll tell you what I did, because to each its own and the most important thing is putting in the effort with whatever resources you use.
Premise: I learned Latin before Greek, helps.
Athenaze(equivalent ratio viva method as LLPSI, the Italian version is especially good) + self-made Anki decks for foundation vocabulary with example phrases for context + easy readers both modern and abridged ancient, i.e Morice's "Stories in Attic" and JACT's "A World of Heroes" for a soft guided intro to Homer and Herodotus(Ionic dialect)
then I started reading Xenophon
LSJ is the quintessential lexicon you wanna use, some modern useful tools to quickly search for conjugated/declined words is https://logeion.uchicago.edu/morpho/, εὐτυχοῖς

[Anonymous No.21487701]

>>21487647
Is learning Greek worth it?

[Anonymous No.21487705]

>>21487647
Is it even worth it? I'm lower intermediate in Latin rn and I honestly feel like if I'm going to suffer I at least want to read something that I can't find in English like Sanskrit or Chinese texts that have bad translations. Greek seems like such a chore and no one ever seems like they reach fluency. Should I just do Sanskrit instead?

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>>21487701
You stole my question

[Anonymous No.21487726]

>>21487705
>Should I just do Sanskrit instead?
Not much worthwhile there. Same deal as Latin (a bunch of untranslated stuff, but untranslated for a reason as they're just boring legal documents and expenses, tax collection, etc.). Learn Classical Chinese.

[Anonymous No.21487734]

>>21487726
>Learn Classical Chinese.
The reason why I was hesitant to learn that is because I've heard from people that you basically don't actually read anything .It's like worse than Greek in terms of the process being just looking things up faster and faster instead of reading fluently like another language. I am speaking ignorantly on this topic, so feel free to correct me.

[Anonymous No.21487737]

>>21487396
you're wellgone

[Anonymous No.21487743]

>>21487421
this, so much this
Edit. Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
Edit 2. Yes, sometimes my wife pegs me while she has sex with other men, there's nothing wrong with it, but I don't understand what does it have to do with this thread.

[Anonymous No.21487753]

>>21487734
that's why LLPSI is da best, it will allow you to become fluenter than a native

[Anonymous No.21487756]

>>21487734
>just looking things up faster and faster instead of reading fluently like another language
You're going to get a lot more out of living languages than dead ones if you're concerned about this. It's just how it is with dead languages, though Latin and arguably Sanskrit have this problem least of all. Why do you want to learn these languages in the first place? First, ask yourself that and see if you still think it's worth learning a language you'll never be fluent in, a language you'll learn to translate moreso than absorb and understand.

[Anonymous No.21487763]

>>21487756
>You're going to get a lot more out of living languages than dead ones if you're concerned about this.
I kind of disagree with this because I'm learning Russian, German, & French for literature which would be the same as for Ancient Greek.
>though Latin and arguably Sanskrit have this problem least of all.
That's why I'm learning these two.
>Why do you want to learn these languages in the first place?
To read interesting texts. I'm not interested in shitty contemporary fiction or quickly cranked out political junk by mainstream publishers. I like religion & philosophy.

[Anonymous No.21487773]

>>21475417
It's literally just one guy

[Anonymous No.21487775]

>>21487701
>>21487705
well I mean it's kinda up to you, I liked the journey and like how it reads, especially since I'm fluent-ish enough(thanks especially to taking my time in absorbing lexicon through simple readers) to not look up every other word(at least in the works I'm going through), though a lexicon is always necessary; my objective with both Latin and Greek was not reading anything untranslated anyway
plus there's poetry, no translation is going to capture the original

I guess Sanskrit would have more untranslated stuff like Latin(from the middle ages), but in 2022 I doubt there's going to be much interesting material that hasn't been already tackled by western academia.
if you are into philosophical stuff for both Greek and Sanskrit it could be a bonus to reach enough fluency to at least be able to look up the original with a dictionary whenever you have doubts about the translation used, etc...
for my own part I'd like to start reading Plato and the like in Greek and see how it goes, no doubt I'll have to also employ other translations to properly understand, but the process could be instructive in of itself

[Anonymous No.21487785]

>>21487775
Why do people like Athenaze

[Anonymous No.21487795]

>>21487785
as far as I'm concerned, I liked both the story and the smoothness of the process, I never felt overwhelmed by the increasing grammatical complexity and took my time with it

[Anonymous No.21487796]

>>21487763
>I'm learning
tell us when you'll have learnt one

[Anonymous No.21487804]

>>21487796
>tell us when you'll have learnt one
I know you're just here to bait people and start arguments about how to learn a language, but I'm not lecturing anyone on how to learn anything. I'm simply asking questions. I have no wisdom to pass onto anyone and I have no textbook recommendations or reviews to share.
>I never felt overwhelmed by the increasing grammatical complexity and took my time with it
What are your thoughts on books like Greek: An Intensive Course or some other Greek primers that are more traditional? (I'm not trying to argue about 'comprehensible input' or any cringey reddit-tier shit, I just want to know what your thoughts are)

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>>21487795
Forgot to tag you, here's my reply >>21487804

[Anonymous No.21487812]

what's the LLPSI for chinese?

[Anonymous No.21487816]

>>21487812
Interlinear Tao Te Ching

[Anonymous No.21487822]

>>21487804
>>21487808
>What are your thoughts on books like Greek: An Intensive Course or some other Greek primers that are more traditional?
I don't know because I didn't use them, just Athenaze + readers. I don't doubt they are good for those more inclined for kind of process.
I can tell you though I used this more traditional method for Latin, using Wheelock + an old ass high school book from my aunt, I didn't even know LLPSI existed back then. I'd say Athenaze felt smoother, while perhaps slower.

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>>21487822
I used Latin: An Intensive Course and it's way better than Wheelock. That's why I ask, because it was modeled after the Greek book after it was quite successful. They are written to get you reading sooner and basically skip the filler lessons and teach you harder (but relevant) concepts early on. The Latin book teaches the entire verb system in like the first few chapters. The active system I mean, the passive is later. But it does teach the subjunctive in chapter 2.