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What's with all the anti-Tolkien seething lately?

>> No.21458737

>>21458674
It is the usual contrarianism, exacerbated by /sffg/ that are belittled when posting their worthless fantasy saga of choice outside of their general while lotr is generally considered the one genre fiction that is ok to like, and probably some pagan larper seething at the supposed contamination of pagan ethos with Christian morality that goes on in his books. On that note there was one particular anon that seemed to have a bone to pick with him due to him ripping off some finnish myth nobody cares about, but I have not seen those kind of posts in a while
Also there's an element of /tv/ tourists just baiting, probably due to the fact that the Amazon series made lotr threads on their board not comfy as they used to be

>> No.21458744

>>21458674
JEWS

>> No.21458780

>>21458674
they are scared because he is a widely read catholic reactionary

>> No.21458812
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>>21458674
Anglo hack who stole everything from much better writers and permanently destroyed the fantasy genre

>The Lord of the Rings is full of a kind of degenerate version of the Wagnerian approach to things. But Wagner is the real artist, and Tolkien a kind of second-rate populariser.

>> No.21458841

>>21458812
Tolkien actually believed in God. Did Scruton?

>> No.21458860

>>21458812
>Wagnerian approach to... erhm... things

>> No.21458895

>>21458860
This, nice examples that polchud.de gave.

>> No.21458959

I don't particularly care about Tolkien but to me it is telling that throwing in Jesus into any old myth that doesn't belong to them, wether the Nibelunglied, Beowulf or the Kalevala, will have Christians kneeling to pagan works the same way BLM has them kneeling to black racial supremacists.

>> No.21459019

>>21458674
It's just contrarianism out the ass. If the movies were never made, we wouldn't even be getting 3/4ths of those retarded threads.
Basically, ignore /tv/niggers.

>> No.21459070

Jew lover, „if you use power your enemies win“, et al

>> No.21459080
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>> No.21459097

>>21458674
Presumably there's been an uptake in braindead "Tolkien invented fantasy!" posts.

>> No.21459110

>>21458737
fpbp

>> No.21459126

>>21459080
Why do women hate Lord of the Rings so much bros? Do they not understand bravery, heroism, and compassion?

>> No.21459129

>what's with PEOPLE DISLIKING SOMETHING XD
every time I have an opinion I want to kill myself because people like you can also create thoughts

>> No.21459205

>>21459126
They understood Vigo Mortensen, and dropped it after he faded into obscurity.

>> No.21459248

Tolkien just released a new book. Well not really, just his estate milking the cash cow. The usual tasteless idiots who gobble up every scrap of hobbit cock they can get praise it like it's the second cumming. When they receive any pushback for their arrant nerdery they retreat into "seethe", "cope" and reaction images to feel comfortable in their own skin.

Please insert reaction image below.
VVV

>> No.21459314

>>21459126
They don't hate lotr, they hate the way that guy talked like a sperg retard. The social ineptness of 4chins is stunning.

>> No.21459330

>>21459070
>if you use power your enemies win
Wagner did this first and he hated jews

>> No.21459339

>>21458737
Screw you. I’m a christoid sympathiser and I don’t like Tolkien either.

>> No.21459356

>>21458959
Jesus is nowhere mentioned in Beowulf

>> No.21459374

>>21458959
>any old myth that doesn't belong to them
>beowulf
you have not read beowulf

>> No.21459388

>>21458674
It's just contrarianism. The morons in this illiterate shithole would run around posting "1+1=3" if they thought it would upset or annoy people.

>> No.21459392

personally I think he’s too desperately accepted by this rather pathetic anglosphere bourgeois catholic clique. Nobody notices how weird it is that there are no Gods or any Christian references in the story. It’s oddly hyper secular in a way that not even the odyssey was

I like his letters but I couldn’t get into the story, it bored me. His prose is so wooden and workmanlike… there’s this weird fetish for legibility that you sometimes find with Anglos. I find it kind of repellant and contrary to true artistry.

>> No.21459396

>>21459097
He kinda did. Until Gene Wolfe reinvented modern fantasy.

>> No.21459404

>>21459392
Why do you pretend like your pea sized brain can understand what true artistry is supposed to be?

>> No.21459417

>>21459404
I’ve felt it…

Though I admit I kneel at Sam’s speech about pretty stories and the distant star

>> No.21459421

>>21458812
Primary example of a cultured, contrarian opinion. At least he knows his context unlike the generic retard that screams “Tolkiendrone” at everyone.
>>21458841
Well… He was Anglican, the sect that most Brits want out off.

>> No.21459434

>>21459080
>LOTR
>For kids
No wonder so many women spend their lives as bachelors.

>> No.21459458

>>21459434
it literally IS a kids book, anon.

>> No.21459469

>>21458674
Tolkienfags who genuinely believe Tolkien is the second coming of christ are extremely fun to troll. Say one bad word about their daddy and they'll start shitting their pants and having an autistic fit.

>> No.21459494

>>21459421
>At least he knows his context unlike the generic retard that screams “Tolkiendrone” at everyone.
This can just as easily be applied to Tolkienites who don't know anything about Wagner but insist he had no influence on Tolkien.

>> No.21459500

>>21459356
>>21459374
That anon is saying LOTR is Beowulf + Kavela + Nibelunglied + Jesus, and that this has lead to Christians piling excessive praise on the works. The absolute state of reading comprehension on /lit/

>> No.21459547

>>21459339
SAY JESUS IS LORD. SAY IT.

>> No.21459564

>>21458674
U shillings?

>> No.21459570

Tolkien's contribution to literature is very limited. He does make for a pretty good bridge for 9-12 year olds to get into literature, but I suspect a lot of his readers don't cross that bridge.

>> No.21459573

>>21458674
/tv/ trannies seething rings of power was shit

>> No.21459577

>>21459392
>personally I think he’s too desperately accepted
I agree with this, but to say that there are no Christian references is silly since the themes are so overtly Catholic. Fellowship exists almost solely to set up the thematic framework

>> No.21459580

>>21458674
id on pipe

>> No.21459616

>>21459080
>"Teleri. I've always despised that treacherous scum. Luckily, in the Havens, we had a chance to take them down."
t. Fëanáro

>> No.21459780

He seemed to be a bit wacky with religion. According to a passage around where Denethor is about to kill himelf, Tolkien associates “heathenry” solely with Morgoth-Sauron worship. There are also a good amount of references to the Valar and to Doom and Prophecy and such within LoTR. Never appeared secular to me at all. Silmarillion is even less secular with literal gods taking the field and manifesting physically to speak to characters like Ulmo wiith Tuor. Also the whole origin of Morgoth is just Paradise Lost but with different names

>> No.21459820

>>21458674
LARPers here think him inadequate to the task of revitalizing a masculine tradition of conquest and will-to-power. They imagine Aragorn, Legolas, Frodo et al are not strong, and they think Tolkien fetishized peace. They willfully misunderstand Tolkien's work in order to feel strong, themselves - many such cases amongst those who, themselves painfully impotent, fetishize a hollow view of 'power'.

>> No.21459849

>>21459820
>They imagine Aragorn, Legolas, Frodo et al are not strong, and they think Tolkien fetishized peace. They willfully misunderstand Tolkien's work in order to feel strong, themselves - many such cases amongst those who, themselves painfully impotent, fetishize a hollow view of 'power'.
He did though
Do you not read any tolkien?
>I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend

>> No.21459860

>>21459500
You shouldn't throw stones in glass houses. That second anon is well aware of what the original post meant and is disagreeing because Beowulf is an explicitly Christian story.

>> No.21459882

>>21459849
I think your quotation is a rather beautiful sentiment. It means war is not an end in itself; that doesn't put a restriction on the strength of those who wield their weapons, it just champions one's volk. Tolkien presented magical weaponry and strength-of-arms positively, so long as they were dispatched in service to good. I don't see the pacifism in that.

>> No.21459889

>>21459500
>anon finger wags about reading comprehension to a post he didn't comprehend
Cain is brought up as the father of monsters in beowulf. It was already christian

>> No.21459917

>>21458860
Namely Art and national mythology. Scruton is a half-wit, but his statement is rather evident.

>> No.21459946

>>21459860
>>21459889
Hubris strikes me yet again.

As someone who has never read Beowulf, would you say that the Christian elements were something appended on by later Christian authors, or is it more integral to the story? From what I know of the story, I could see the case for either

>> No.21460201

>>21459882
>It means war is not an end in itself; that doesn't put a restriction on the strength of those who wield their weapons, it just champions one's volk.
Yes, but is an opposite value to the anglo saxons and all of the middle ages which valued war and battle in itself