/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21456762]

Former occultbros, when you did you put on your big-boy pants and grow out of your occult phase? When did you realize that none of this quaint mythological minutiae actually works for anything other than writing symbol-masturbation posts on the Internet and trying to impress people with 'erudite' allusions?
I was pretty slow. It took me about fifteen years to realize that none of the Western mystery teachings are actionable in any way whatsoever. What prompted my post is that a video popped up in my YouTube sidebar, with a guy performing the LBRP. I had to cringe at both the guy and my former self. There was no smugness -- just a feeling of sad camaraderie. I mentally wished him the best and closed the tab.

[Anonymous No.21456773]

>>21456762
>when you did you put
Oh, that sucks. I'll have to repost. Can't afford to sound like a window-licker.

[Anonymous No.21456809]

>>21456762
You see, anon, this is the wrong place to ask about this.
At most you will get some dismissive and condescending replies from some seething esoteric “Christians” on this board who are sexless teenagers trying to force their beliefs on others, but mostly on themselves.
The oldfags have either managed to sort themselves out and get a job/gf or at least subsist at some meaningful level now that their parents can’t afford them anymore, killed themselves, or living on disability welfare. The people left are mostly teenagers or underachieving early 20s who haven’t been forced to face life as it is.
You would find better discussion on /x/ than /lit/, but still poor discussion.

[Anonymous No.21456813]

This post gets at something but there are far worse uses of your mind than in such a hyper-literate one which forces you to think about various metaphysical, ontological, epistemological, and ethical issues (at its best).

Where I agree most with this post is obsessing over some autistically niche, modern, degenerate and either 90%-LARPing if not-outright-dangerous “occult teaching” like Crowley’s Thelema, or “Magick”, and even more modern New Age break-offs like “chaos magic”, and that stuff, where it almost turns into Dungeons & Dragons.

Apart from that, I think there’s a difference between that type of stuff and the study of world religions, comparative religion, and the metaphysics of different traditions. People and scholars have devoted their entire lives to the study of these traditions and, if nothing else, don’t seem the worse-off for it. A surprisingly big amount of writers, poets, and artists, too, have also been into kooky mystical stuff that would get them branded “schizoid” today, like W.B. Yeats and his ties with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, as well as interest in/influence by movements like Theosophy as well as Celtic folklore and mythology. In his day and even today he looks like “a schizoid overly-imaginative eccentric” for such an interest but he still made some pretty damn good poetry and lived a fulfilling life.

[Anonymous No.21456860]

I used to be into the occult but then i had a psychotic break down where i started seeing patterns everywhere that involved the moon and the sun, also at times felt i was communicating with satan.
Nowadays i mostly just dabble in mundane astrology.

I witnessed the rise of kek in real time, and the rise of meme magik.


I think the occult is still important when it comes to art, its how i came up with the concept of the unity of opposites, the moon and the sun forming an eclipse, the snake eating its tail, yin and yang, this helps to create tension and conflict in art. only later did i realize it was the same thing as nietzsche's fusion of apollo and Dionysus

i dont know what i believe in nowadays when i had my break down i ran to the nearest church, it didnt help.

i like jesus, i find christans themselves to be abhorrent

[Anonymous No.21456878]

>>21456809
Speak for yourself. I'm forty and still am on the path

[Anonymous No.21456906]

>>21456860
fantastical as it sounds, yep, the occult can be pretty psychologically dangerous if you get deep into it. Whether the explanation for this is:

>people who are already mentally ill have delusional beliefs about the paranormal/occult/mystical shit, so are drawn to study topics like the occult then psychologically mindfuck themselves more
or
>spoopy occult forces exist and unprepared dabblers in the occult actually accidentally conjure them up then get fucked by them

It’s still a very real phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.21456920]

>>21456762
This is the point at which you take the speculative thinking pill

>>To learn to think speculatively, which is specified in the directive as the chief purpose of preparatory philosophical instruction, is thus surely to be seen as the necessary goal. Preparation for it is first abstract thinking and then dialectical thinking, and beyond that consists in attaining representations of speculative content.

[Anonymous No.21456930]

>>21456762
>It took me about fifteen years

I have to ask anon, how old are you? And did you ever join an occult society?

[Anonymous No.21456991]

>>21456762
>none of this quaint mythological minutiae actually works

>t. hasn't conjured a demon

Kek anon you think you quit but really you've only taken a break

[Anonymous No.21457047]

>>21456762
You are confusing "esotericism" i.e. pseudo-mystical self-help and intellectual wankery with occultism. Crowley and Guenon are more alike than either are to the renaissance occultists and alchemists. Drop all pretenses of occultism being "spiritual." Demons are the minds of asteroids.

[Anonymous No.21457055]

>>21457047
>Demons are the minds of asteroids.
Wut?

[Anonymous No.21457182]

>>21457047
>Crowley and Guenon are more alike than either are to the renaissance occultists and alchemists
I agree, though the break can be traced a lot later. There were still traces of a vital mystery tradition within Eliphas Levi's work, and then the sterile 'intellectual wankery' of the Mathers and Crowley types took over.

[Anonymous No.21457190]

>>21457055
All objects have a mind to some degree (I mean that in the dualist sense, literally *having* a mind that interfaces with matter, and not matter itself being a sort of dense mind). Pretty much every object in space large enough to have a name is large and highly ordered enough to have a mind. Asteroids aren't commonly imagined to be "highly ordered" (think extreme low order: a pile of sand; extreme high order: computers. even higher would be biological systems) but the standard model asserts asteroids are the pieces of a broken planet or left overs from the stellar nebula. This is incorrect, most of them are ejecta from stars. Anyway, nearly all large space objects have a nervous system-like ion channels that "give" them minds on par with if not more advanced than humans'. Think Gaia theory but instead of the biosphere being a sort of super organism the literal rock of the Earth is it's own organism (I guess that makes us more a kind of microbiota). The classical planets have already know to have Planetary Intelligences and Spirits. Uranus, Neptune, and the Keplar belt dwarfs have such a thing but they are not communicable due to their distance. The asteroid belt, the moons of Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, and comets (when they get close enough) also have such a thing, and are communicable.

[Anonymous No.21457200]

>>21457182
>sterile 'intellectual wankery' of the Mathers and Crowley types took over.

Oh please. Just tell me you got filtered.

[Anonymous No.21457201]

>>21457055
>>21457190
Stars are also communicable.

[Anonymous No.21457205]

>>21457200
Just tell me you have low standards.

[Anonymous No.21457217]

>>21457190
I have to ask

[Anonymous No.21457247]

>>21456813
>90%-LARPing if not-outright-dangerous “occult teaching” like Crowley’s Thelema
Whatever value there is in Crowley's work is largely philosophical (in The Soldier and the Hunchback, Little Essays Toward Truth, and a few other works, you see novel spins on the skeptical tradition that can't be found in Sextus Empiricus, Hume, proto-Descartes, and whatnot). As an occultist, he was all talk and couldn't actually do anything.

[Anonymous No.21457267]

>>21457205
>This book is the Gate of the Secret of the Universe.
>Let the Exempt Adept procure the Prolegomena of Kant, and study it, paying special attention to the Antinomies.
>Also Hume's doctrine of Causality in his "Enquiry."
>Also Herbert Spencer's discussion of the three theories of the Universe in his "First Principles," Part I.
>Also Huxley's Essays on Hume and Berkeley.
>Also Crowley's Essays: Berashith, Time, The Soldier and the Hunchback, et cetera.
>Also the "Logik" of Hegel.
>Also the "Questions of King Milinda" and the Buddhist Suttas which bear on Metaphysic.
>Let him also be accomplished in Logic. (Formal Logic, Keynes.) Further let him study any classical works to which his attention may be sufficiently directed in the course of his reading.

You call it intellectual wankery but I doubt you have the mental capacity to have attempted the basic preliminaries to even understand Crowley. Few people who get into magic have actually read Kant, let alone understood, and even fewer have read Hegel, yet they think they have somehow understood Crowley, and either blindly follow him or even more blindly dismiss him.

[Anonymous No.21457275]

>>21457267
I read Liber OS Abysmi vel Daath. Congratulations. Here are some others you might like from the skeptical tradition: >>21457247
Not my fault that you can't distinguish intellectual wankery from actual occultism. Low standards indeed.

[Anonymous No.21457278]

>>21457267
ive read kunt

like you cant know the thing in itself mannnnnnnnnn like our sense perception cant perceive the whole universe or something

[Anonymous No.21457280]

>>21457247
>he was all talk and couldn't actually do anything.

When you've attained on higher planes, doing anything on this material plane doesn't really mean much to you. He laid down a system with which others could and still can attain to higher planes. Even that was gratuitous of him.

[Anonymous No.21457288]

>>21457280
Low standards. Gullibility.
He was an able philosopher and poet. That's all.

[Anonymous No.21457289]

>>21457275
>Liber OS Abysmi vel Daath

You missed the point. He tells you what to read to understand him. Reading him without having acheived the prerequisite standpoint is only to misread him. Have you actually read Kant or Hegel?

[Anonymous No.21457294]

>>21457289
I missed no point. You're too stupid to distinguish the skeptical tradition from actual occultism, so now your midwit mind is scrambling to bring out trivia cards. You can't do shit, and neither could he.

[Anonymous No.21457300]

>>21457294
the highhhhheeeerrr realmmmmssss

[Anonymous No.21457301]

>>21457278
Kant is merely the initiation. Kant is merely the beginning.

You have more reading to do.

[Anonymous No.21457302]

>>21456762
>>21456762
>>21456762
You have serious brain damage

[Anonymous No.21457321]

>>21457217
Hardly one a skeptic would accept. I couldn't prove they have a mind any more that I could prove mine or that you could prove yours. The ejecta and ion channel things, to be fair, is falsifiable, but they were with the general explanation, and I'm not equipped to argue for those either. I was given a guideline of what I should study to understand the finer details. I may write a book in the future.

[Anonymous No.21457326]

>>21457301
That poster isn't me, genius. You lack all discernment.

[Anonymous No.21457327]

>>21457294
>skeptical tradition from actual occultism

The skeptical tradition got btfo'd by Kant and Hegel, and German Idealism laid the groundwork for the scientific occultism in Germany that developed into the OTO in Germany and the HOGD in Britain, both of which Crowley was a high initiate of. You would know this, if you weren't such a seething midwit.

[Anonymous No.21457339]

>>21457327
You're an idiot. There's a reason Crowley says to pay special attention to the antinomies. If you weren't such a bumbling fucking retard, you'd know that Crowley didn't consider the skeptical tradition BTFO.

[Anonymous No.21457340]

>>21457321
Builders of the Adytum?

[Anonymous No.21457348]

>>21457327
what does your occultism allow you to do?
we'll wait
inb4 80-iq evasions

[Anonymous No.21457349]

>>21457339
>special attention to the antinomies
Because if you actually read Hegel and stopped talking out of your ass you'd know the antinomies are what lead to speculative thinking, which BTFOS the skeptical tradition.

[Anonymous No.21457362]

>>21457349
lmao, the antinomies are from Kant, you fucking dimwit. Evidently you haven't even opened the first Critique.

[Anonymous No.21457365]

>>21457348
You attain to higher states of conscious and their accompanying powers and abilities

[Anonymous No.21457371]

>>21457365
what powers and abilities can you demonstrate?
inb4 excuses
you're a toddler who wants to feel special
nothing more

[Anonymous No.21457377]

>>21457362
>antinomies are from Kant
No shit. I know that. Hegel responds to Kant and the Skeptics. I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with you if you haven't even read Hegel

[Anonymous No.21457383]

>>21457371
Basically powers of the soul: telepathy, clairvoyance, time travel, astral travel, etc. But also levitation.

[Anonymous No.21457388]

>>21457371
He's right, you're wrong.
>prove it to me
Why would anyone spiritually developed enough to do such a thing even care what you think? You're like a dumb animal compared to them.

[Anonymous No.21457394]

I never believed in it because I had accepted that God exists from William Lane Craig
The only source of supernatural power is God and as a person God does not just hand out His power to whoever attempts to manipulate or command Him to do so rather magic is in accordance to God's will
Now this leaves up a small possibility of some kind of gnosis magic, God basically rewarding those who have gone beyond all others in knowing Him but otherwise unless God has come and told you that He wants you to cast these spells it's never happening
I never believed in the Occult systems that I studied, my interest was purely in them as inventions of the human mind and that's where my interest lies

[Anonymous No.21457397]

>>21457388
no, you're just a sucker
eastern charlatans have been talking about the siddhis for centuries but always retreat into the same banal excuses
western charlatans have done the same dynamic
seen and heard it all before
you can't do shit
you're all make-believe

[Anonymous No.21457401]

>>21457383
You're a special kind of escapist loser, probably wanking off to Patanjali or that old Steve Richards book on levitation. I thank the anon for outing you.

[Anonymous No.21457402]

>>21457321
Any books you would recommend for someone further along the path? Especially written from a philosophical standpoint, but also with instructions for practices?

[Anonymous No.21457406]

>>21457397
I find it funny that Buddhism has had rules about showing off spiritual abilities or claiming to have them from the beginning

[Anonymous No.21457410]

>>21457397
>>21457401
Damn the seething is strong with these midwits. Why seethe so much? Why you so mad?

[Anonymous No.21457417]

>>21457406
yet they can't resist talking about them
western occult cucks do the same
it's a classic switcheroo
it fools only brainlets

[Anonymous No.21457423]

>>21457394
Basically Magic is invoking lesser spirits directly rather than through God as the intermediary.

[Anonymous No.21457435]

>>21457401
How do you know it's not real if you've never tried it? Do you expect to be spoonfed everything? Just try stuff for yourself, instead of running your mouth.

[Anonymous No.21457436]

>>21457410
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not psychotically deluded. In which case, you know that you can't levitate yet feel the need to lie. Just reflect on that lie. You don't have to worry about me proving that you're lying or whatever. Just reflect on the lie that you know you're telling. In that lie is my intellectual superiority over you. It's my victory that you now know I have.

[Anonymous No.21457437]

>>21457423
The Unknown God or Agnostos Theos (Ancient Greek: Ἄγνωστος Θεός) is a theory by Eduard Norden first published in 1913 that proposes, based on the Christian Apostle Paul's Areopagus speech in Acts 17:23, that in addition to the twelve main gods and the innumerable lesser deities, ancient Greeks worshipped a deity they called "Agnostos Theos"; that is: "Unknown God", which Norden called "Un-Greek". In Athens, there was a temple specifically dedicated to that god and very often Athenians would swear "in the name of the Unknown God" (Νὴ τὸν Ἄγνωστον, Nē ton Agnōston). Apollodorus,[citation needed] Philostratus and Pausanias wrote about the Unknown God as well.

According to the book of Acts, contained in the Christian New Testament, when the Apostle Paul visited Athens, he saw an altar with an inscription dedicated to that god (possibly connected to the Cylonian affair), and, when invited to speak to the Athenian elite at the Areopagus, gave the following speech:

22Paul stood in the middle of the Areopagus, and said, "You men of Athens, I perceive that you are very religious in all things. 23For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.' What therefore you worship in ignorance, this I announce to you. 24The God who made the world and all things in it, he, being Lord of heaven and earth, doesn't dwell in temples made with hands, 25neither is he served by men's hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he himself gives to all life and breath, and all things. 26He made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the surface of the earth, having determined appointed seasons, and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27that they should seek the Lord, if perhaps they might reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28'For in him we live, and move, and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also his offspring.' 29Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man. 30The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked. But now he commands that all people everywhere should repent, 31because he has appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he has ordained; of which he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead."

—Acts 17:22-31

[Anonymous No.21457444]

>>21457437

Because the Jewish God could not be named, it is possible that Paul's Athenian listeners would have considered his God to be "the unknown god par excellence". His listeners may also have understood the introduction of a new god by allusions to Aeschylus' The Eumenides; the irony would have been that just as the Eumenides were not new gods at all but the Furies in a new form, so was the Christian God not a new god but rather the god the Greeks already worshipped as the Unknown God. His audience would also have recognized the quotes in verse 28 as coming from Epimenides and Aratus, respectively.

[Anonymous No.21457446]

>>21457406
Why would spiritually advanced people show their abilities off to the profane? To prove it to a bunch of faithless, arrogant imbeciles? If these things were true, they would be treasured more than anything, and people would come after you to have them.

[Anonymous No.21457454]

>>21457436
Why are you so butthurt?

[Anonymous No.21457463]

>>21457444
Basically the conjured spirits are the pagan deities although these are really the same as the demons and angels of the christians, and the known god of the christians is the unknown god of the pagans

[Anonymous No.21457464]

>>21457436
kek, that cuts deep
if someone told me that when I used to be a lonely adolescent lying about my occult abilities on the Net, it would break my mind

[Anonymous No.21457468]

>>21457446
maybe the same reason they show off by mentioning their abilities at all...
you're falling for an old trope
if they were really as high up there as they pretend, they wouldn't use such sleazy marketing

[Anonymous No.21457473]

>>21457436
Suit yourself anon. But I'm going to go and enjoy my spiritual practice and it's spiritual gifts while you live your little materially minded life on the merely material plane.

[Anonymous No.21457474]

>>21457468
They aren't allowed to claim any abilities though
At least in mainstream mahayana/therevada thought
I don't know about vajrayana buddhism

[Anonymous No.21457480]

>>21456809
Sex is only for procreation. Nice try larping as some old sage zoomer

[Anonymous No.21457483]

>>21457446
>I can do all this wonderful shit.
>Cool, show me.
>No, that would be soiling my soul.
>Well, why even mention that wonderful shit at all?
>You know, I, uh, well... you know, just talking about the path and all, you know...
Imagine being conned by this. May as well just blow your wages on Miss Cleo.

[Anonymous No.21457496]

>>21457473
Cool, spiritually advanced anon finding the One in the All and escaping the clutches of duality, don't let me stop you looking down on the rabble with disdain. You're sooo up there, both figuratively and literally with your ceiling levitation!

[Anonymous No.21457510]

>>21456762
I'm a paid up member of the Rosicrucians. Esotericism is a way of life

[Anonymous No.21457515]

>>21457436
>you know that you can't levitate yet feel the need to lie.

Tsk tsk tsk. What a mediocre mind you must be to not be able to contemplate the conditions that would make organically-produced anti-gravitational effects actual.

Hegel: >But to seek to know before we know is as absurd as the wise resolution of Scholasticus, not to venture into the water until he had learned to swim.

[Anonymous No.21457517]

>>21457510
>he fell for the AMORC ads
You jest, no?

[Anonymous No.21457522]

>>21457517
Nope, I do not. Dunno what you mean by ads since I've been a member for years. It's been intellectually fulfilling and I've even spoken at a few events.

[Anonymous No.21457525]

>>21457515
Didn't you say you were going, or did >>21457473 just decide to reply as you?

[Anonymous No.21457537]

>>21457515
kek, if you're going to samefag, at least drop the obvious reddit-spacing
>>21457280
>>21457289
>>21457327

[Anonymous No.21457552]

>>21457537
I see no problem here. And my samefagging is done openly and without shame.

[Anonymous No.21457557]

>>21457525
Honestly I am and am not that anon

[Anonymous No.21457561]

>>21457468
The only people who try to "show them off" are fools who haven't progressed very far or at all.

>>21457483
Anybody with actual powers won't advertise it. Your fake dialogue doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.21457567]

>>21457510
>Rosicrucians
Which ones? Most or nearly all are fakes.

[Anonymous No.21457577]

>>21457561
>Anybody with actual powers won't advertise it.
Good to know!

[Anonymous No.21457579]

A summon qt witchqueen Georgina Rose aka Daat Darling to chime in with her erudite take.

[Anonymous No.21457587]

>>21457561
>Anybody with actual powers won't advertise it.
Glad we can dismiss Crowley. He'd often advertise his powers but then cop-out by calling them nuisances.

[Anonymous No.21457592]

>>21457567
AMORC

[Anonymous No.21457604]

>>21457401
>probably wanking off to Patanjali

Is this supposed to be insult? I don't understand. I fucking love patanjali.

[Anonymous No.21457609]

>>21457340
Not sure what you mean to imply.
>>21457365
>higher states of consciousness
Buzzwords. Just stop being a negligent ruler over your body-nation.
>>21457383
>telepathy
>levitation
You can't do this and if you could you probably couldn't be near any electronics, letting alone the fact you'd be a glownigger test subject.
>clairvoyance
Utterly redundant by astrology and divination more generally.
>time travel
Impossible and/or irrelevant.
>astral travel
Done by everyone all the time purposefully or not.
>>21457402
>philosophy
Just read as much as you can and make up your mind. Or come up with your own ideas or synthesize ideas. Learn:
>horary astrology
Real Astrology by John Frawley to learn whats wrong with modern astrology.
The Horary Textbook by the same guy.
This is without a doubt the thing that will show you that there is something to this stuff that can't be chalked up to just mind playing games.
>lucid dreaming
Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming. Don't listen to retards that insist there is any difference between LDing and APing. You can do almost anything on the "spiritual" side with this.
>how to orgasm without ejaculating
Unironically. Just look it up.
>math, computer science, biology, astronomy, etc.
Computer science seems like the odd one out: computation is more general than literal computers.

[Anonymous No.21457614]

>>21457522
AMORC used to advertise heavily in popular magazines in the same manner as the typical direct-marketing scammer.

[Anonymous No.21457622]

>>21457592
Why would you share this with possible illuminatenordener lurking, perhaps even posting, on this very thread?

[Anonymous No.21457921]

>>21456762
When I became a father and was sick of almost dying during sleep paralysis attacks every night. Now I'm a Catholic, getting my daughter baptized and haven't woke up to demonic hags choking me in years.
It's honestly not worth it. 99% of it is made up autism for bored, low-status social outcasts. The 1% that is real just drives you insane and eventually kills you.

[Anonymous No.21457928]

>>21456878
>t. friendless loser who can't materialize anything from the endless generic books he autistically collects
I bet you're so powerful bro. Do a hex on me

[Anonymous No.21457936]

>>21457921
>99% of it is made up autism for bored, low-status social outcasts. The 1% that is real just drives you insane and eventually kills you.
Source?

[Anonymous No.21457937]

>>21457267
>ok read all these smart books
>ok now masturbate whilst staring at an image of the angel Gabriel
There's a reason Crowley was ridiculed in his day

[Anonymous No.21457947]

Why do normalfags seethe at schizos so much? Are they afraid? Jealous? Inferiority complex maybe?

[Anonymous No.21457951]

>>21457936
Source for?

[Anonymous No.21457954]

>>21457937
Um is there a problem here? Because I don't see a problem.

[Anonymous No.21457958]

>>21457951
The percentages

[Anonymous No.21457968]

>>21457958
Personal experience, having studied many branches of the occult since I was 16 (am now 32)

[Anonymous No.21457972]

All the powers occultfags claim to be able to acquire have all at one point been demonstrated by devout Catholic saints. I imagine this makes them seethe.

[Anonymous No.21457980]

>>21456762
I decided to take it seriously when insane energy rose up from within me, and my mind completely impassive transcended its own limitations, a true
taste of the primordial state, when the sulphur of gold was revealed through the overpowering of mercury, and my stone became the philosophers, now I just rest in the impassive state, and control my vital energies mineral, bone and blood, and cultivate ascendent fire, to match my impassive sulphur.

[Anonymous No.21457984]

>>21457980
You can't even maintain eye contact with women

[Anonymous No.21457990]

>>21457972
Less seethe and more like admire. Occultists acknowledge the Catholic esoteric tradition. It's the laity and parish priests that are retarded.

[Anonymous No.21457993]

>>21456762
i hope an atlantean hits OP with a car

[Anonymous No.21457998]

>>21456762
>I was pretty slow. It took me about fifteen years to realize that none of the Western mystery teachings are actionable in any way whatsoever.
You never studied tantra and authentic egypto-hellenic, gnostic hermetic alchemy, otherwise you would have penetrated higher states of bliss and being and verified the reality of the method.

[Anonymous No.21458000]

>>21457990
No, most occultists suffer from arrested development in my experience; reading Spengler made me realise we have an esoteric tradition here in the West and it's called mystical Christianity. I've met far too many occultists who fetishize Hindu religious practises yet scoff at the transcendental power of the Rosary

[Anonymous No.21458012]

>>21458000
>I've met far too many occultists who fetishize Hindu religious practises yet scoff at the transcendental power of the Rosary

Then you're meeting the wrong occultists...

[Anonymous No.21458023]

>>21458012
Yeah maybe that was my problem (LHP edgelords, sociopathic losers all)

[Anonymous No.21458034]

>>21457383
You have to be at least 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.21458100]

>>21457267
Crowley didn't list those works as preliminaries to understanding him. The point of that Liber is to overload reason until it breaks down and you realize it can't answer these questions or lead to spiritual attainments. Even then, that Liber isn't a generally recommended practice and Crowley even says it can lead to insanity.

[Anonymous No.21458249]

>>21458100
>The point of that Liber is to overload reason until it breaks down and you realize it can't answer these questions or lead to spiritual attainments.

>reason can't answer these questions or lead to spiritual attainment

Hegel:

>The first question is: What is the object of our science? The simplest and most intelligible answer to this question is that Truth is the object of Logic. Truth is a noble word, and the thing is nobler still. So long as man is sound at heart and in spirit, the search for truth must awake all the enthusiasm of his nature. But immediately there steps in the objection — are we able to know truth ? There seems to be a disproportion between finite beings like ourselves and the truth which is absolute, and doubts suggest themselves whether there is any bridge between the finite and the infinite. God is truth: how shall we know Him? Such an undertaking appears to stand in contradiction with the graces of lowliness and humility.

>The world of spiritual existences, God himself, exists in proper truth, only in thought and as thought. If this be so, therefore, thought, far from being a mere thought, is the highest and, in strict accuracy, the sole mode of apprehending the eternal and absolute.

[Anonymous No.21458395]

>>21456920
>>21458249
Yee

[Anonymous No.21458406]

>>21458249
How can he say then then go on to write reams of unintelligible gibberish?

[Anonymous No.21458804]

>>21458000
>reading Spengler made me realise we have an esoteric tradition here in the West and it's called mystical Christianity.

Why is Plato and Pythagoreanism so forgotten? As if you guys don't tune into the music of the spheres every dawn and dusk through the harmonisation of your inner elemental solids with the theologos of arithmetic?

[Anonymous No.21458844]

>>21456762

Religion has its root in priests exploiting retards for sex and money. Also in euphemisms and allusions to human sacrifice. The Dionysus of Euripides' Bacchae is the essence of what all divinities were, and this goes for all other bullshit stories

[Anonymous No.21458902]

>>21456813
Lmao at thinking there is any difference between this nonsense and Dungeons & Dragons.

[Anonymous No.21459149]

>>21458406
>unintelligible

How uneducated you must be to call those passages unintelligible is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.21459167]

>>21457480
Case in point

[Anonymous No.21459169]

>>21459149
I was talking about the Phenomenology of Spirit, not the quote you posted

[Anonymous No.21459185]

>>21459169
You gotta read that one at the end.

Hegel writes strictly for experts and specialists. If the student has not yet read Kant, then don’t bother with Hegel.

Even then, the reader of Kant might find it impossible to read Hegel chronologically. Hegel’s first work (1807) should probably be the last work by Hegel that one struggles to read.

To begin, do this: (1) Read only the Introductions to Hegel’s Lecture series; (2) Read them all, including Philosophy of History; History of Philosophy; Encyclopedia; Philosophy of Right; Philosophy of Aesthetics; Philosophy of Religion; (3) then, read Philosophy of Right from start to finish; (it’s probably his easiest book).

If the student can follow Hegel that far — then there is hope. Read Hegel’s Philosophy of Religion (tr. Hodgson, 1990) from start to finish, to satisfy oneself that Hegel was a solar system away from Marx.

The final two books that the student should approach are: (1) Science of Logic, 1812; and (2) Phenomenology of Spirit, 1807; in that order.

[Anonymous No.21459226]

>>21458406
>>21459169

Everything intelligible was at one point unintelligible. The intelligibility of a writing lies not in its static fixed words but in the dynamic living reader of them. As the reader learns and grows what at one point was gibberish becomes clear and distinct. The word gibberish originates from the name of an alchemical writer, Al-Geber, who filtered the unitiated; but, too those with the proper preliminary education, the initiated, his writing was as understandable as an article in a professional academic journal is the the corresponding professional academic, which nonetheless would filter anyone without that background.

[Anonymous No.21459238]

>>21459226
Even professional academics have no idea what the fuck Hegel was trying to say with PoS

[Anonymous No.21459242]

>>21456762
When I realized all magic throughout the last 200 years has just been law of attraction with extra steps.

[Anonymous No.21459254]

>>21459238
Read more

[Anonymous No.21459312]

>>21456762
Filtered by DNA

Just accept your fate instead of putting other crabs down

[Anonymous No.21459317]

>>21459312
>putting other crabs down

That's what occulthate amounts to

[Anonymous No.21459325]

>>21456762
I'm not a redditor so I did not stop being an occultist.

[Anonymous No.21459405]

>>21459312
>Filtered by DNA
Wut?

[bodhi No.21459505]

>>21456762
wtf are on you on about retard? some crowley wizard larp retard shit?

[Anonymous No.21459925]

bump

[Anonymous No.21459930]

>>21456773
don't worry, you'll sound that way no matter what you do

[Anonymous No.21459935]

>>21456762
Wtf didn't knew lit had schizo threads I may have started lurking before if I knew that

[Anonymous No.21459947]

>>21459935
I don't think there's been a moment in the last 2-3 years when at least one schizo thread wasn't up in the catalogue.

[Anonymous No.21459961]

>>21457190
Serious question, have you ever read the visual novel Soukou Akki Muramasa? You might like it.

[Anonymous No.21460026]

>>21459935
Honestly the best schizo threads are on /lit/

[Anonymous No.21460071]

>>21456762
>dumb enough to fall for it
>not smart enough to go deep in the particular bullshit you chose
Some people are protected by their stupidity

[Anonymous No.21460081]

>>21460071
>not smart enough to go deep in the particular bullshit you chose
midwit

[Anonymous No.21460105]

>>21460081
seethe

[Anonymous No.21460106]

When i read marx i realized that metaphysics, religion and the occult were all rich peoples copes. Yes, even the indian religions. The world has real life problems that needs to be solved qnd no gay indian stuff will give you nothing but a visit to a madhouse

[Anonymous No.21460128]

>>21456762
I skipped over it. Dabbled a bit in tarot (terrifyingly accurate readings, during the solar eclipse, the moon fell over the sun, and other wild events) but always felt that the thelemites, the satanists, the masons were all just using it as a vehicle to justify their inclinations to be hedonistic lunatics. It can be interesting to dive in, and there are several esoteric texts i have that are still interesting to page through from time to time, but it is all so dreadfully meaningless compared to the light of the lord.
occultism is just a bunch of hogwash.

[Anonymous No.21460142]

>>21458100
This. That LARPing levitation toddler-anon has no clue what he's talking about. Crowley saw skepticism as a release from the illusory Daath and the way to the Neschamic experience of direct truth. It has parallels in gnosis and the Zen koan tradition.
He's also fixated on poorly digested readings of Kant and Hegel. Crowley did not consider these guys as models of Neschamic truth. Their only value in his eyes was destructive, not creative.

[Anonymous No.21460147]

>>21460105
try thinking before you write

[Anonymous No.21460154]

>>21460147
says the retard who got exposed by a simple message, stop reading books

[Anonymous No.21460160]

>>21460154
>comma-splicing retard on the /lit/ board dismissed

[Anonymous No.21460179]

>>21460160
I would be pissed too if all I wanted really really bad was to have a soul and yet would be too stupid for it.

[Anonymous No.21460189]

>>21460160
>comma-splicing
i bet you've never read a worthwhile book in your life. anyone who relies on rules like comma-splicing or utilizes the semicolon needs euthanasia, pronto.

[Anonymous No.21460190]

If you're not or ever were trying to summon demons you are clinically retarded. The gods never graced anybody who called onto them, but demons perhaps will.

[Anonymous No.21460196]

>>21460179
cry harder, pseud
>>21460189
trite excuses of the pseud trying to sound avant-garde -- a veritable dime a dozen in your intellectual class

[Anonymous No.21460198]

goofy larping at best, osculum infame with ritualistic child sacrifice at worst. a faulty repository for the wondrous world of a man's splendid imagination and energy.

[Anonymous No.21460203]

>>21460196
>uses the term pseud
name your top ten, pleb.

[Anonymous No.21460204]

>this fucking thread
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.21460205]

>>21459935
Didn't know*, not didn't knew.

[Anonymous No.21460211]

>>21460160
Don't freak out the poorly educated redneck goobers like that. They need to believe that they pass on /lit/, mate.

[Anonymous No.21460221]

>>21460196
>le veritably
>le your intellectual class
oh look it suddenly upped its snooty aristocrat tone in response to being defeated by everyone

[Anonymous No.21460223]

>>21460179
>>21460189
Redneck effort-meltdown ensues. "Oh no! I've been found out!"

[Anonymous No.21460231]

>>21460221
>by everyone
still not thinking before writing
more interested in trying to sound clever than cogent
touch grass

[Anonymous No.21460244]

>>21460223
>joyce, james, faulkner, etc.
>rednecks
you're an autist, and not the quality idiot savant type.

[Anonymous No.21460251]

>>21460231
>more interested in trying to sound clever
Yes, how typical of your intellectual class to resort to this veritable cliche

[Anonymous No.21460257]

>>21460244
>joyce, james, faulkner, etc rednecks
You really are one poorly educated redneck.

[Anonymous No.21460259]

>>21456762
That's all it took? OP is a yellow faggot

[Anonymous No.21460269]

>>21460257
each of those authors used what you call "comma splices", all well established legends, all broke the "rules". you're a slave to these rules, and but so your lolterature shall always bear the effluvium of imcompetency and shame.

[Anonymous No.21460272]

>>21460244
pseud engages in the fallacy of the undistributed middle to rescue his self-esteem
le these people I'm calling rednecks are smart
le I'm a redneck
le therefore, I'm smart
80 iq at best

[Anonymous No.21460287]

>>21460272
you make me very sad, not due in any part to your astonishingly poor manners, but rather your haughtiness.
you're going to crash and burn, son. i wonder if you'll ever realize the sun towards which you fly is merely a reflection.

[Anonymous No.21460288]

>>21460269
You will never be taken seriously as a writer, redneck.
You will always be that contrarian retard on 4chins imageboards trying to play intellectual rebel.

[Anonymous No.21460295]

>>21460288
you really are on a tear. i wonder what you'd say if you knew the truth. i wish you well.

[Anonymous No.21460296]

>>21457998
What I would give to see the face, body, and life circumstances of the anon posting this.

[Anonymous No.21460299]

>>21460106
look into Umbanda/Quimbanda

[Anonymous No.21460301]

>bumped this thread to get more sweet occult and german idealist schizoposting
>devolves into some reddit tier argument about commas and namecalling

[Anonymous No.21460310]

>>21460269
You're a nigger with no discernment.
You can find comma splices in short, rhythmic constructions: "I came, I saw, I conquered."
You can also find comma splices in some contrasting constructions.
Nobody but someone with a nigger-tier education would choose a comma splice in this instance: >>21460154

[Anonymous No.21460325]

>>21460310
>in this instance
>>says the retard who got exposed by a simple message, stop reading books
Yes, I'm no pedant, but that case is extremely hard to defend and is more obviously a result of ignorance than a conscious style choice.

[Anonymous No.21460338]

>>21460071
Jeezus, it's amazing what causes you fucking virgins to have protracted arguments on this board. Yes, this was some retard trying too hard to be clever, but only a soulless sperg would bother objecting to it.

[Anonymous No.21460349]

>>21459226
>but, too those
>is the the corresponding
How you miss up simple English grammar but still get your point across is really deep anon

[Anonymous No.21460350]

>>21460301
Same bro

[Anonymous No.21460351]

>>21460338
Cope, you recognized yourself in my depiction of a terminal pleb/midwit and felt the need to seethe about while trying to pretend to be above the argument, yet basically being no different. Just how stupid are you?

[Anonymous No.21460354]

>>21460349
>How you miss up simple English grammar

[Anonymous No.21460355]

Occultism only draws pricks to the stage. Not surprising since they'll fall into perdition.

[Anonymous No.21460357]

>>21456809
How long has it taken you to build up these imaginary strawmen boogeymen in your head anyway?

[Anonymous No.21460358]

>>21460354
effortless

[Anonymous No.21460364]

>>21460358
Is it like masturbation to you? Why do you do it? What's missing in your life anon?

[Anonymous No.21460369]

>>21460358
Anon, to your pettiness, I kneel

[Anonymous No.21460397]

>>21460355
That's because to be aware of occult truths and still put yourself out there as an e-celeb or attention seeker of some sort you have to be a demonically guided retard. Note that the term 'occult' derives from the Latin root 'occulere' which literally means 'concealed.' What you see are the dregs of the occult world.

[Anonymous No.21460402]

>>21458000
Rosary Bro.
elaborate and expand
sources ? REDPILLS ?

[Anonymous No.21460405]

Whatever secretive rites were furtively performed by acolytes in dark Prussian cellars in service of the alchemical endeavour, they pale beside the great alchemical apparatus of the age to come, the putrefication, the blackening, the seizing of the prima materia as a thief in the night, fire stolen from the gods. All above will be all below. For the coming age is the first breath of life gasping through the nostrils of a rude golem, the rough beast now slouching towards Bethlehem to be born, man born of clay raising up an image from the dust of the earth, a mirror, God in inverse made to be worshiped, lightning fell like Satan towards heaven; He who has ears to hear, let him hear. The captain of the great industry, the forge-firer, the artificer, the money-changer, from these it will come, summoned in dread rites in unknown tongues, invoked in forbidden names, shadowed in capital and circuit and simulacra but not yet revealed. It waits, a shapeless thing, an anti-Logos, a perverse organizing principle which will tear creation asunder and shape it to its own design, shuddering now as the promised hour comes near, and the simple feeble hateful race which for which it was spurned by the Father blindly gibbers and constructs its own end.

[Anonymous No.21460416]

>>21460405
The bared mind of the plebeian occultist, everyone.

[Anonymous No.21460418]

>>21460405
Now we're talking

[Anonymous No.21460463]

>>21460405
>>21460418
no.

[Anonymous No.21460465]

>>21460463
OPEN. YOUR. MOUTH.

[Anonymous No.21460467]

>>21458000
>and it's called mystical Christianity.
It's actually called whoredom and spiritual fornication.

>>21460402
You could look into the book of the prophet Jeremiah, when he talked about the "queen of heaven".

[Anonymous No.21460471]

>>21456762
>When did you realize that none of this quaint mythological minutiae actually works for anything other than writing symbol-masturbation posts on the Internet and trying to impress people with 'erudite' allusions?
I want to be an occultist with conviction so badly, senpai, but this is my observation as well, at least for the publicly accessible side of occultism. It's just a bunch of autistic symbol jerking and glorified daydreaming practices that don't accomplish anything tangible. At best, it's psychotherapy, but that doesn't sound as sexy, eh?

[Anonymous No.21460479]

>>21460471
you sound like an uninitiated hylic

[Anonymous No.21460485]

>>21460479
Maybe because I am, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.21460504]

>>21460471
>daydreaming
>don't accomplish anything tangible

Hegel:
>>In teaching philosophy...the young must first die to sight and hearing, must be torn away from concrete representations, must be withdrawn into the night of the soul and so learn to see on this new level, to hold fast and distinguish determinations.

>learn to see on this new level

It's already tangible, you just don't have the eyes to see yet

[Anonymous No.21460511]

I blame Styx (Tarl Warwick) for killing my fascination with the occult.
Many of the occultfags on the Internet get his Amazon edit jobs and talk him up as some high occultist, apparently not realizing who he is, yet all I can think about are his cringey, basic-bitch YouTube videos.

[Anonymous No.21460517]

>>21460504
yes, throw words at him. that's always gonna help someone disillusioned with cerebral masturbation who's likely encountered thousands of you guys.

[Anonymous No.21460522]

>>21460467
Jeremiah it is.
Happy New Year, Anon.

[Anonymous No.21460526]

>>21460511

[Anonymous No.21460543]

>>21460526
kek, every unironic occult-tard itt telling you that they're special and that you jus' don' understand

[Anonymous No.21460547]

>>21460543
>i'm not like the other girls

[Anonymous No.21460562]

>>21460526

[Anonymous No.21460579]

Ishtar, the Queen of Heaven in Jeremiah, is not the Virgin Mary
the Queen of Heaven was Goddess
the Virgin Mary is not a Goddess, though she is revered.

[Anonymous No.21460597]

I wonder how many occult rites and initiatic orders and mystery cults actually had philosophical depth to them and how many were just smoke and mirrors using intentional vagueness combined with funny robes and creepy meetings in catacombs for effect.
I come from a Mormon background. The amount of people who will swear to have seen supernatural mysteries in the temple due to the group pressure to make such claims is incredible, despite the fact that when pressed later those same individuals will admit that they didn't *really* see Joseph Smith walk past them in the hallway by the Celestial Room, they just felt very strongly that someone else was there... after going through something like the endowment rite as a fresh-faced, impressionable teenager. Mormonism hardly has a strong metaphysical base for its claims, and the "truths" spoken of in its most sacred spaces are things like "Adam and Michael and God the Father are the same being and that being is an alien from another planet who has multiple wives," but these claims persist even today.
Obviously there's no way to know if something like the Eleusinian Mysteries were cut from the same cloth, but if we, having the ability to compare 'occult' materials from different ages together in a manner that was simply not possible before our time, see much of the material pertaining to groups such as the OTO, O9A, A.A., Crowley and co., et cetera as crypto-LARP and intellectual masturbation at best, then I wonder if it simply goes all the way down, through the Masonic Masters and Illuminati and German Idealist fringe groups and acolytes of Hermes Trismegistus and all the rest who claimed to possess secret teachings available only to a select few or divine wisdom that would free one from the shackles of mundane existence or grant immortality through the 'alchemical endeavour.'

[Anonymous No.21461095]

>>21460597
The comparison to a religion like Mormonism is instructive and brings up good ideas to consider.

Arguably, the major difference between “occult, esoteric, mystical, or parapsychological woo-woo regarded by the dangerously aberrant or idiotically deluded as profound, sacred teachings” and “an organized religion given respect by countless peoples” is mainly just in scale. Skepticism about the occult, mysticism or esotericism, if one has such skepticism, should, for intellectual honesty’s sake, also be applied to the teachings of major world religions (of which many examples can be found of its followers being cultish and easily socially conditioned, as the wayward people interested in esoteric ideas can be).

When belief in the paranormal, miracles, pseudo-magical rites, and outright contradictions or inanity are promulgated by a religion, they have the respectability of that church backing them, but when the backing of a huge church is not there, it’s condemned as a “cult.”

But this is how it must be and makes sense — the very etymologies of “occult” and “esoteric” as meaning “hidden” points to its off-putting nature, veiling itself in difficult forms, and attempts (in its framework/lingo) to discourage the “unworthy” from even considering its possibility.

Stuff like the Christian-superiority-complex towards esotericism people’s study of world religions that isn’t of traditional devotional strictly-Christian bent, is also rather silly and petty.

Robert Anton Wilson’s ideas of “model-agnosticism,” “Chapel Perilous,” and “the New Inquisition” (that of both Fundamentalist Religion and today, even more largely, Fundamentalist Materialism against that which contradicts the dogma) are some of my favorite lenses by which

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY/Ar.iI No.21461123]

>>21456762

>Former occultbros, when you did you put on your big-boy pants and grow out of your occult phase?

SECOND HALF OF MY TWENTIES OF AGE.


>When did you realize that none of this quaint mythological minutiae actually works for anything other than writing symbol-masturbation posts on the Internet and trying to impress people with 'erudite' allusions?

IT DOES WORK; THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT IS DEMONICAL TECHNICS.

[Anonymous No.21461206]

>>21461095
**by which to view subjects such as these.

One of the best critiques, on its face, of the validity of occultism is its frequent non-falsifiability. If pressed for their underlying reasoning for believing what they believe, an esotericist or mystic may appeal to claims of direct experience (of an unusual, uncanny, rare nature), which itself requires long struggle, training, and discipline (in the way of that secret society, cult, or religion) which makes these mysteries manifest to one.

If one cannot or does not attain proof of these experiences, the esotericist hence puts the blame of this solely on the skeptical inquirer (who is “unworthy to experience these,” “unprepared for it,” “blind to mystical truth”).

This is good reason to be skeptical of all reputed secret societies, esoteric teachings, individuals and establishments running along this line of reasoning, which I (along with many others interested in kooky ideas, I’m sure) would be the first to agree with. But this does not automatically, totally prove that there no truth in or significance behind esotericism. It only raises large doubt.

There is nothing that necessarily makes this claim inconsistent. A medical school, similarly, might be trusting that you already have the faith in the institution that can teach you and the willingness and devotion to go through with the prescribed course, before attaining to their own goal of “mastery,” becoming a doctor. If you skeptically asked them during an admissions interview, “How do I KNOW this medical school can teach me medicine? Forgive me, but I want to have this fact demonstrated to me right now.”

[Anonymous No.21461212]

>>21456762
>When did you realize that none of this quaint mythological minutiae actually works for anything other than writing symbol-masturbation posts on the Internet and trying to impress people with 'erudite' allusions?
When I saw occultists repeatedly diagnose the failures of occult rituals (aimed at concrete goals) by telling querents that they can't expect the occult rituals to work alone, that the querents need to go take normal action to achieve their goals. In other words, they should go take normal action to achieve their goals and then pretend the occult rituals had anything to do with the expected outcomes of those normal actions. So one can be an occultist by doing a ritual for a loaf of bread and then driving to the store to buy a loaf of bread.

[Anonymous No.21461237]

>>21461212
>So one can be an occultist by doing a ritual for a loaf of bread and then driving to the store to buy a loaf of bread.
even if you tried to ridicule them by making it explicit like that, they still wouldn't see what the problem is from an epistemic standpoint. they can't understand the need to isolate the occult factor. they'd just reply with something braindead like "what's wrong with doubling one's efforts?" I've seen it dozens of times.

[Anonymous No.21461250]

Athena helped me pass the bar exam.

Problem with all the occult shit I tried was that it basically boiled down to meditation and focusing on some concept/image/sign long enough to let the subconscious eat it like bait on a hook. That was always my problem and I never found any long term solution to it through mysticism. my conscious brain knows what it should be doing, but the subconscious constantly battles with the conscious. The subconscious only wants pleasure and to take naps and shitpost. The conscious brain wants to read books and do great things, and on occasion it does, but not often. All I wanted to do was tame the subconscious. All I wanted was a deep internal motivation. I could occasionally trick it with Buer, with Athena, with tarot readings, and with chants from the lesser keys of Solomon, but none of it stuck. None of it truly took root and shifted my central beliefs and ideology, I was still the lazy me.


True magic would be if words or phrases could pierce the conscious and directly attack the subconscious. If reading Aristotle's rhetoric suddenly changed how good a communicator I was at a deeply fundamental level instead of reading and slowly adapting technique after technique over a long period of time with ques and long term memory.


I want the eternal motivation.

[Anonymous No.21461298]

>>21461206
You would probably be shown the door.

In Eastern religions and philosophies, among the seekers of Asia after spiritual enlightenment for countless ages, the tradition of a relationship between a “guru” and “chela” (disciple) to guide one on the path to enlightenment has been a trope for millennia now. It is their own belief that enlightenment without a guru is very rare, difficult, and unlikely, if it ever does happen.

This “guru” (a Sufi sheikh, a Hindu yogi, fakir, or wandering sadhu, a Tibetan lama, a Zen abbot, or whatever other form he or she may take) themselves has the precedent of a respected, established lineage from which it is assumed he likewise learned from other gurus or elders of the tradition in a chain directly and verifiably going back to the source of this Tradition in the original Guru, whether this source itself is conceived as or named Sadguru Brahman Swami Nathji, Allah, the Adi-Buddha (Primordial Buddha, the All-Encompassing Buddha-nature), or another name).

The purpose, rationale and means-of-working of what I would consider PURE (or at least PURER) Western esotericism, are similar to that of these traditions. There have indeed ALWAYS been and always will be, those who prefer the search after unusual phenomena or powers, occult excitement, and the like as a distraction from or a detour from the search for the Absolute Truth, whether conceived of as God or the enlightened-state-of-being.

The goal of the greatest and noblest of the Western esotericists is on the same wavelength as other traditions’ seeking the ultimate consummation of the human life, however, again, this is conceived (as revelation of one’s unity with God, as moksha or kaivalya of various Hindus, nirvana of the Buddhaits, or fana (dissolving in Allah) and baqa (permanent subsistence in Allah) of the Sufis). The authentic esotericist, or wayfarer on the path of the Mystic Truth, is searching for a same lofty goal, working diligently for the radical transformation of their own being and with compassionate desire to assist the rest of humanity towards Truth as best they can.

Not all esotericism has (only) such petty, sensationalist goals as to develop powers or experience things like clairvoyance, telepathy, levitation, “astral-traveling”/out-of-body-experiences, scrying into the future/precognition, spiritualist phenomenal, and so forth, just as the rare devoted seeker after nirvana in Buddhism or after moksha in Hinduism is not where they are just mainly to learn “magic,” develop siddhis or indulge in fascination over the more compelling, captivating phenomena of Maya or Samsara.

[Anonymous No.21461378]

>>21461298
>>21461206
>>21461095
>>21460597
Good posts. Along the same lines, when I was going down the rabbit hole, most books from the past 100ish years were obviously bullshit. So many of them spent 95% talking about talking about the method as opposed to the method itself, when they finally reveal the method it's just meditation of some sort. I really enjoyed the older texts. It was like the words themselves have the power, the medium is the message type deal, that the knowledge of what to do with the words are what you need to learn.

[Anonymous No.21461384]

>>21457217
Google "triviality arguments".

[Anonymous No.21461510]

>>21461298
The secret behind much of Western esotericism, secret societies which arose in Christian Europe and were often suppressed/distrusted by it, is as a front the revival/preservation of study of other mystical and religious teachings besides Christianity (such as the Jewish Cabala, Neoplatonism, and Hermeticism in Renaissance esotericism), and the core behind those entities like alchemy, the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons, and the like, who confuse and mystify outsiders, seems to be along the lines of what >>21457998 suggests.

These entities — where they are (if at all) good and authentic, not necessarily in corrupt factions such as of at least some of Freemasonry, which likely was corrupted and became a front for radical. revolutionary politics working against the domination of Europe by the monarchies and the Church — seem to have been fronts for (among other things), the study of comparative religion and other disreputable mystical teachings (disreputable for “not being Christian”), as well as the preservation and handing down of techniques, practices, and teachings along the lines of those to be found in the East of the conscious self-transformation of the human being by the focusing of attention in directed paths (parallel to Eastern yogic meditation, practices like the recitation of mantras or the zikr of the Sufi, the contemplation of symbolism or geometrical designs like Hindu yantra, etc.)

As >>21457998 suggests, again, this can be analogized to Tantra (a massive yet family-related coterie of similar practices throughout Buddhism and Hinduism in the East which, taken as a whole, act as potent means of the directed, long-term disciplining and alteration of the consciousness, eventually allowing one to reach higher levels of the individuality, or higher states of being).

This is also mirrored in Western mysticism, as this poster again suggests, in “authentic egypto-hellenic, gnostic hermetic alchemy”, or the allegory of alchemy as referring to the cultivation and transformation of subtle energies/higher-bodies-of-the-being to attain to this aforementioned transformation of the human being, symbolized as Immortality (the identification of oneself with the underlying permanent and immortal aspect of oneself, consequently bringing this Divine Perfection down into and perfecting the body, mind, and soul of the human being).

[Anonymous No.21461526]

>>21461510
In reference to Christianity, teachings and symbols of Christianity have also commonly been employed in Western esotericism which lived under and interacted with the Church (examples include Christian Kabbalah, and the strongly Christian nature of the Rosicrucian writings/mythos, and Masonic ceremony and literature which extols Christ and the Scriptures), except with — that great secret heresy which never fully was stamped out from the West, apparently — an underlying Gnostic temperament (that gnosis, a special form of knowledge or experiencing, is the core of Christianity, which itself can transform us to a higher level of being analogous to enlightenment, and which state could also be put as the recognition of the sparks of the Godhead trapped in ourselves and everyone else, our piercing through the veil of the material, sensate universe and reasserting the innate dignity, wisdom, splendor and proper position of one’s highest, inmost Spirit, conceived, again, as an isomorphic representation and spark of the Godhead).

Suggestive evidence at least some (if not much) of Western esotericism was partially a veil for the study of comparative religion, is found in the self-generated mythos of the Rosicrucians in 17th-century Europe, for instance.

In his work "Silentium Post Clamores" (1617), the Rosicrucian Michael Maier (1568–1622) described Rosicrucianism as having arisen from a "Primordial Tradition" in the following statement: "Our origins are Egyptian, Brahminic, derived from the mysteries of Eleusis and Samothrace, the Magi of Persia, the Pythagoreans, and the Arabs."

The very phrase “philosophia perennis” (and prisca theologia) was largely conceived and elaborated on in the first place by Renaissance philosophers, mystics and theologians, inspired by a revival of interest in Neoplatonic philosophy and Hermeticism during the Renaissance, as well as an attempted synthesis of these with similar trends and ideas in Greek philosophy, Jewish theology and the Kabbalah, and Muslim theology and Sufi mysticism (which all also played a not-insignificant role on the European scholarship and theology of that time).

This worldview is rarely explicitly and entirely anti-Christian, and often included much of Christian theology, symbolism, and imagery in its synthesizing worldview, not denying any influences by Christianity but trying to reconcile it with a universal perspective, viewing it as reconcilable with the same eternal esoteric wisdom underlying various world religions. This, of course, is “the Great Heresy of Universalism” (also criticized as syncretism, polytheism or anti-Christian devilish lies), which warranted much of the Church’s condemnations of these societies and mystical teachings, their anathematizing them to preserve a monopoly on the role of mediator of humanity with the Divine.

[Anonymous No.21461680]

>>21461298
One of the “big secrets” behind much of Western esotericism, secret societies which arose in Christian Europe throughout history, seems to have been that they were, at least in part, fronts for the study of comparative religion and the underlying framework behind as belief in a prisca theologia (universal theology).

See for instance the Rosicrucians:

>In his work "Silentium Post Clamores" (1617), the Rosicrucian Michael Maier (1568–1622) described Rosicrucianism as having arisen from a "Primordial Tradition" in the following statement: "Our origins are Egyptian, Brahminic, derived from the mysteries of Eleusis and Samothrace, the Magi of Persia, the Pythagoreans, and the Arabs.

>>21457998 makes a good mention of Tantra (the complex body of psychophysical practices of the East to regularly discipline and transform the consciousness and the being doing them over the time to a more advanced state).

[Anonymous No.21461713]

>>21461378
Thanks, but looking back on the I actually dislike some of my own obscurantist romanticizing wankery, especially towards the end. I get the OP’s POV and poorly written purple prose extolling “the Mystic Path” probably is one of the stuff that gets it a bad reputation and makes it and its believers annoying at times.

Ultimately though, I could even better summarize what I’m trying to say, as agreeing with you, that much of the “occult,” “magic” “Western esotericism” etc. should and can eventually be traced back to a more philosophically and theologically sophisticated tradition it inevitably derived from. You can skip Crowley, in other words, and go straight to the best insights of long-spanning traditions like Hinduism and Buddhism, or to Tantra at large (which he was largely working off of), to whom we are, perhaps, spiritually and historically like infants, them perhaps pityingly or wearyingly looking on at us and the New Age aberrations we make out of their religions when they head to the West.

[Anonymous No.21461717]

>>21456762
>A person called Olympius was reported to have once tried to use magic against Plotinus, but he supposedly found that the malignant forces he had evoked were bouncing back from Plotinus to himself. Plotinus was once taken to the Temple of Isis for a conjuration of his guardian spirit; a god, Porphyry stated, appeared instead of an ordinary guardian angel but could not be questioned because of a mishandling of the conjuring process which broke the spell. What Plotinus himself thought of the proceedings is not known, but apparently he was not deeply interested.

I want to be as pure as him bros

[Anonymous No.21461724]

>>21456762
Never had an occult phase to begin with. Though I was raised in eastern religion. So yeah that definitely was a phase. In my culture black magicians and occultists are hated and for good reason

[Anonymous No.21461826]

>>21461713
We just don’t have time to sit and do nothing anymore.

[Anonymous No.21461955]

>>21461250
>W-what do you mean I have to keep lifting weights 4 days a week and eating right? I want the big muscle and I want them NOW.
You realise how you sound?

[Anonymous No.21461968]

>>21461680
>>In his work "Silentium Post Clamores" (1617), the Rosicrucian Michael Maier (1568–1622) described Rosicrucianism as having arisen from a "Primordial Tradition" in the following statement: "Our origins are Egyptian, Brahminic, derived from the mysteries of Eleusis and Samothrace, the Magi of Persia, the Pythagoreans, and the Arabs.
So, Traditionalism is crypto-Rosicrucianism.
Dropped.

[Anonymous No.21461981]

>>21456878
my age

[Anonymous No.21461986]

>>21461955
Yes, but I want brain cheat code :(

[Anonymous No.21462019]

>>21456762
17 when I started having sex.

[Anonymous No.21462088]

>>21461955
Gymbros eventually get muscles.
Occult weenies never get anything but new D&D cards.

[Anonymous No.21462117]

>>21456762
I started feeling Christianity was too powerful and it was a necessary part of my culture and tradition. But maybe I'm still drawn more to esoteric or mystical Christianity. I don't see the point of autistic fundamentalist Christianity

[Anonymous No.21462125]

>>21459935
/lit/ is the closest brother of /x/. With /lit/ being a little more intellectual and a little less schizo.

[Anonymous No.21462210]

materialists get the rope

[Anonymous No.21462227]

>>21461968
This is not an argument, a facile equation, and does not refute the underlying worldview/framework of either, as well as the fact that it was held by numerous Enlightenment thinkers and theologians, and not just Rosicrucians.

>>21461826
Yes, that’s a good point. You should constantly be busy, after a goal, on the move, and never stop to think or consider anything seriously which the public, in their wisdom, has deemed “irrelevant”, “impractical,” and “useless” — if that is the way of life for you which you prefer.

https://youtu.be/8T-Z1WoFXkk

[Anonymous No.21462237]

>i'm gonna cast a hex on you!
imagine roleplaying so hard that you summon demons that will rape your soul for eternity. how ridiculous

note, i don't even care if this image is legitimate, still amusing.

[Anonymous No.21462257]

>>21457579
I heard she got cancelled by leftists accusing her of nazi. I hope she goes full right wing, she is qt

[Anonymous No.21462261]

>>21456762
are the teachings unactionable, or have you refused to put them into practice?

[Anonymous No.21462271]

>>21462237
LaVey is not even an actual satanist. He is just an almost typical counter-initiation agent with some edgy symbols sprinkled throughout (as opposed to pseudo-initiation, which would be satanism proper but without ever referring to itself as satanism).

[Anonymous No.21462279]

>>21462227
Enlightenment and Renaissance*. See figures like Marsilio Ficino, Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, and Giordano Bruno (whose names, histories, the influences of their thought and multilingual puns on all these show up as an influence and inspiration in Joyce’s Finnegans Wake of all places, oddly enough).

[Anonymous No.21462280]

>>21462271
they're all frauds, part of the territory. when you devote yourself to the lord of lies, seems to be an inevitability.

[Anonymous No.21462350]

>>21461713
>traced back to a more philosophically and theologically sophisticated tradition it inevitably derived from. Y
Le tradition and past is always better because...it just is because i wont have to be so critical when i know its trustworthy TRADITION. Stop reading brainlet, it is not for your type

[Anonymous No.21462390]

>>21462350
I actually dislike the Traditionalists for this reason too, at times. Very uptight — the Guenonian-interpretation especially. I am far too “modernist” in some (many) ways according to a Guenonian-view, as see for instance my bringing up Robert Anton Wilson, and the potential validity of deeply, seriously learning from various religious traditions (as the Traditionalists also did).

Beyond dogmatic, tired old authoritarian and parochial traditionalism-with-a-small-T (“Because it’s from the past, it’s good”), beyond dogmatic scientism, a spiritually-unfulfilling atheist worldview of fundamentalist materialism, reductionism, and atomism, and beyond the tendencies of the West to dilute, superficialize, artificialize, repackage and commercialize traditional teachings into aberrantly grandiose New Age cults, is a potential Middle Way, which simultaneously respects great traditions but doesn’t narrow down the worldview into a hampered upright partial way of seeing.

[Anonymous No.21462623]

>>21462390
>deeply, seriously learning from various religious traditions
I have a hard time with this, because where I live religion is like a circus. Many different mythos and interpretations spring up around different teaching of the same sect, you will often see two people claim to be of the same sect yet espouse opposing viewpoints, it is hard to know who has wisdom and understanding and who's interpretation is shallow or cites things that are simply incorrect.

[Anonymous No.21462628]

>>21462623
It often infuriates me to think rational theologians get put in the same category as priests or ministers of a faith, study of religion does not in itself constitute religion, there are even atheists among their ranks.

[Anonymous No.21462632]

>>21462628
and one can be religious, and study religion, or both. It seems like rational people would have a lot to lose by studying the phenomenon of religion itself, whatever their goals might be.

[Anonymous No.21462633]

>>21456762
>He failed at magic

Sad. My manifestations are only growing more incredible.

[Anonymous No.21462635]

>>21462390
but as to your middle way, it would be difficult for me to contribute meaningfully to the conversation as I do not know your frame of reference or approach towards study, perhaps you can tell me what is meant by Traditionalism, in this context?

[Anonymous No.21462638]

>>21462632
>lot to lose by studying the phenomenon
pardon, by NOT studying

[Anonymous No.21462643]

>>21462623
it would be nice to have an authoritative voice regarding certain mysteries, but of course how can you remain an authority while remaining hidden?

[Anonymous No.21462675]

>>21461298
so you are saying it is about power for them, and not enlightenment. Or rather a distraction from their unenlightened state rather than a perhaps painful shedding of it.

Pardon, my thoughts are racing, I just took part in an exhilarating debate.

[Anonymous No.21462682]

>>21456762
It works.
It just tends not to work the way you want it to.

[Anonymous No.21462845]

>>21456809
Spbp

[Anonymous No.21462862]

>>21459226
>just write gibberish bro

[Anonymous No.21463561]

>>21462862
>anything I can't understand because I'm a lazy brainlet is gibberish to me bro

[Anonymous No.21463567]

>>21462350
>Le tradition and past is always better
Better than what?
>i wont have to be so critical when i know its trustworthy TRADITION
Who says so? I mean perhaps there are traditions which require you to be less critical, but it's definitely not the general case. Christianity, Judaism, Vedic traditions, Buddhism all encourage you to be critical.
One point of tradition is that you can put your trust in it as it consistently led many people to desired results throughout many years. The more crucial point is contained in the etymology of the word "tradition".

[Anonymous No.21463791]

I was 25 but that’s because I realized it is real and does work.

[Anonymous No.21463986]

>>21463791
Too scary? What happening?

[Anonymous No.21464031]

>>21461250
>>>/gif/4856312

[Anonymous No.21464034]

>>21461250
>>>/wsg/4856312

[Anonymous No.21464424]

>>21461378
I recommend you look into pic related fren
it's on libgen

[Anonymous No.21464594]

>>21462675
Potentially so, yes. I can’t generalize for all people but something like “a YouTube video on the LBRP” like the OP mentions seems on this lower end of “occultism” or “search for spiritual truth (but really self-aggrandizement)”.

>>21462635
I view “Traditionalism” as a very subtle, very refined, very sophisticated cult. However, this is not necessarily entirely derogatory. The institutions of the Buddhists, various Sufi orders, learning from a Kashmir Shaiva guru, a shamanic tribe, or countless other religious entities and situations can also function as “cults,” yet many fascinating and uplifting things can still be learned of and from them, and they’re certainly not all on the level of the Peoples Temple [sic] of Jim Jones.

When “Traditionalism” becomes overmuch of an “-ism”, a body pontificating on what is heresy and what is dogma, they potentially become uptight hypocrites, even if they offer a massive and uplifting body of scholarship on the nuances of different religion traditions and their wisdom. But I, in contrast to most “Traditionalists” (but still with great respect for them and agreement in many other respects) think you could even learn something worth learning from, say, Jiddu Krishnamurti, or the Theosophists (whom he famously broke away from), or even a bloke like Robert Anton Wilson.

I tend towards the synthesizing (not syncretizing, which is making up a new religion out of jumbled influences with disparate figures and symbols thrown in from different cultures and traditions, like the Theosophists with “Master Christ” and “Master Buddha” — although I even respect and appreciate the Theosophists and their contribution at least a little, as I suggested) worldview which seeks to include and learn from as many intelligent or interesting sources as possible, instead of lowering the bandwidth of one’s quest to spiritual truth to simply what “the authorities” have said (who makes them the authority, except for their own frequently unfalsifiable claims to it and the backing of their followers?).

Spiritual or philosophical authority is clearly a little bit different from something an obvious credential or “demonstration of know-how” can be given for (which of course leads to many disparaging its worth or existence in the first place). A car mechanic can fix your car and demonstrate their credentials/license which certifies them as a car mechanic, but a Hindu jnana-yogi, a Buddhist monk, or some variety of an esotericist or mystic, if they claim to be enlightened or in a different, higher state of consciousness, can’t very well “prove” this in such a humdrum, immediately obvious way as a car mechanic can prove their expertise in their field. Even knowing lots of terminology, quotes, a massive memory and knowledge of scriptures and traditions, or initiation by some order or religion, has no necessary bearing on this fundamental question of their state-of-being.

[Anonymous No.21464683]

>>21464594
>Spiritual or philosophical authority is clearly a little bit different from something an obvious credential or “demonstration of know-how” can be given for (which of course leads to many disparaging its worth or existence in the first place). A car mechanic can fix your car and demonstrate their credentials/license which certifies them as a car mechanic, but a Hindu jnana-yogi, a Buddhist monk, or some variety of an esotericist or mystic, if they claim to be enlightened or in a different, higher state of consciousness, can’t very well “prove” this in such a humdrum, immediately obvious way as a car mechanic can prove their expertise in their field. Even knowing lots of terminology, quotes, a massive memory and knowledge of scriptures and traditions, or initiation by some order or religion, has no necessary bearing on this fundamental question of their state-of-being.

You shall know them by their works

[Anonymous No.21465058]

>>21461250
Your post was insightful, thank you for taking the time to write it.

>No one discussing Jungs work or hermericism
Sad. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.21465204]

>>21462633
Is that samefagging levitation-LARP Reddit-spacer still not figuring out how he stands out? lmao

[Anonymous No.21465229]

>>21462261
Occultnigger excuse #3553: "You refused to try."
INB4 occultnigger excuse #3554: "OK, you tried, but you did it wrong."
INB4 occultnigger excuse #3555: "OK, but did you do what you would normally do without an occult ritual, or did you expect the occult ritual would work all by itself? It doesn't work that way."

[Anonymous No.21465233]

>>21465229
>"OK, you tried, but you did it wrong."

No actually this one right.

[Anonymous No.21465255]

>>21465233
What I mean is if it doesn't work you did it wrong. As in, you either didn't follow the instructions right, or the instructions themselves are wrong. As in, you're either incompetent or you got duped, which could also mean you're incompetent. Moral of the story: be smart not dumb.

[Anonymous No.21465325]

>>21465233
your hair isn't coming back, bro

[Anonymous No.21465436]

Which books will cure me of cuckold fetish? Can this stupidity leave with study and intellectualism? It seems to drag every aspiration down, like any self affirmation seems ridiculous against the background of years of seething cuckery. Note that my IQ is 80 and im too stupid to even maintain my apartment.

[Anonymous No.21465658]

are human sacrifices real? what do they accomplish

[Anonymous No.21465675]

>>21465658
They appease the gods.

[Anonymous No.21465884]

>>21465229
>starts praying
>No, thats not how to Worship the one true God! *Shoots him*

[Anonymous No.21465902]

>>21464683
Indeed! Many find it hard to deny the wisdom, beauty, and power of Christianity, its teachings and scriptures and the beautiful nature of Christ.

“Esotericism” and “the occult”, or interest in comparative religion, is very often criticized as “anti-Christian” by Christians perhaps a little paranoid or insecure about hostility to Christianity, but this is only a specific splinter of it, such as Crowley’s Thelema or break-off degenerations (even more metaphysically and spiritually neutered) like LaVeyan Satanism (which is just glorified, more edgy IRL Dawkins/Hitchens-style atheism). Many people interested in this broad field and schools associated with it, often see Christianity as a part of and another valid source of metaphysical revelation. The major conflict, however, usually goes on about “heresy vs. orthodoxy,” or “religious pluralism vs. the centrality of specifical space-bound time-bound historical events, dogmas, and teachings of Christianity.”

>If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. … Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
1 Corinthians 13

[Anonymous No.21465920]

>>21457190
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[Anonymous No.21465961]

>>21465658
>are human sacrifices real?
They were, but somewhere in the late 19th century or early 20th century they got whitewashed as representing sex magic using semen and menstrual blood.
>what do they accomplish
Like every other occult practice: nothing.

[Anonymous No.21466011]

>>21465961
>>what do they accomplish
>Like every other occult practice: nothing.

How exactly do they do this?

[Anonymous No.21466023]

>>21463791
Same. Went from theory to practice and started getting results and then gradually upping the ante. It ended with an angelic intervention, more real and more powerful than any of the previous experiences, which indicated that I should stop.

[Anonymous No.21466754]

>>21465325
I'm on the occult "side" here but this made me kek ngltbqh

[Anonymous No.21467424]

>>21456762
That's all well and good.
There's one slight problem. All elite are into the occult. Just a pure coincidence, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.21467517]

>>21467424
So?
Do you believe the elite are exempt from stupidity?

[Anonymous No.21468031]

>>21460405
..All that while still a bald kissless virgin getting drunk on absinthe while jerking off to angel waifu statues

[Anonymous No.21468096]

>>21468031
why the seethe?

[Anonymous No.21468152]

Anyone into Raja Yoga here? I bought a book "Raja Yoga Mental Development" but for now "mental drill" described there are simple handwaving meditation techniques if that? Does Raja Yoga even has anything to do with normal yoga I mean physical exercise?

[Anonymous No.21468797]

>>21468152
Raja Yoga is not stretching in an attempt to see the panty lines of the instructor it's mostly meditation

[Anonymous No.21468931]

>>21456762
I was really into Criss Angel as a kid
Gave up magic about the same time as giving up Jesus in highschool
Read Singer, Parfit, and Big Yud and now I'm very cool when I lecture my friends on philosophy and AGI doom

[Anonymous No.21468944]

>>21460526
Holy shit I forgot abut styx
He was fun for like whatever the insane memetics of 2016 was.
I don't know if I even figured out if he actually believes in the supernatural, but he was kind of dumb in other ways

[Anonymous No.21469037]

>>21468797
why its called yoga then? So if i do iterneduate program on dailyyoga app in means i dont actually train real legit yoga?

[Anonymous No.21469111]

>>21467424
based thing knower

[Anonymous No.21469215]

>>21456762
It works but it will make you go insane, and not in the good way.

[Anonymous No.21469580]

>>21465961
what is sex magic

[Anonymous No.21469702]

>>21456860
>unity of opposites, the moon and the sun forming an eclipse, the snake eating its tail, yin and yang
what about man becoming woman

[Anonymous No.21469903]

>>21469037
Yoga means union, as in becoming one with The One, you can stretch and practice good posture ie Hatha Yoga but it's a small part of the spiritual practice itself

[Anonymous No.21469907]

>>21467424
>>21469702
Hmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.21469955]

>>21465920
The Village Kittiot?

[Anonymous No.21470389]

>>21466023
Mind talking about it more? I'm interested.

[Anonymous No.21470625]

you didn´t do chakra meditation, which is a prerequisite to comunicate with beings from another dimension (a.k.a demons, angels, spirtis, the devil, jesus, whatever, etc...)

also, doing astral projection helps, pic related is the basis for understanding why supernatural phenomena exists in this material dimension

[Anonymous No.21470656]

>>21461250
>The subconscious only wants pleasure and to take naps and shitpost. The conscious brain wants to read books and do great things, and on occasion it does, but not often. All I wanted to do was tame the subconscious

that´s why you should do shadow meditation

https://vkjehannum.wordpress.com/2021/05/29/chants-to-work-with-the-spiritual-shadow/

[Anonymous No.21471904]

this frog thread will live on, thanks to me

[Anonymous No.21472318]

>>21469907
you're implying it's an elite occult experiment? can we peasants benefit from it?

[Anonymous No.21472382]

>>21471904
thank you for your service

[Anonymous No.21472424]

This saves me making a thread. I want to understand Western occultism. Its origins, development, practices, purpose.
I've seen a few books on this (Goodricke-Clarke & Manly P Hall), but they are all quite large and my time is limited. Since this is very far out compared to what I usually read, I thought to ask.

[Anonymous No.21472540]

>>21456762
This might've been mentioned already but im throwing my cum into the ring anyways.
All of this occult shit is just a basic misunderstanding of reality that naturally goes into wacky directions the longer they go on. Then the people in the know seem even more detached because they lose sight of what they're trying to accomplish and it becomes largely performative.
As others have said, meditation is genuinely worth looking into. Our minds are the biggest mysteries, the physical world, not so much. And i say that not as if the mind isn't physical, but in the sense that it's likely a final understanding above all else like universe creation or whatever

[Anonymous No.21472780]

>>21472318
Not an experiment, but they seem to follow some script or prophecy. if you read the Symposium and link it with different cabalistic concepts one can see how it can play out, all in all not much profit for the peasants

[Anonymous No.21473700]

Here's a link for spiritual/religious/philosophical books.
http://www.occult-mysteries.org/books.html

[Anonymous No.21474109]

>>21472780
how will it play out

[Anonymous No.21474281]

>>21474109
probably in a big war, but more generally transhumanism for some and depopulation for the rest
it seems like the ideal is to become immortal androgens

[Anonymous No.21474286]

>>21456762
When I saw styxhexandhammers physionomy

[Anonymous No.21474297]

>>21474281
*androgynes

[Anonymous No.21474517]

>>21474281
Guenon prophesied this.

[Anonymous No.21475026]

>>21474517
source?

[Anonymous No.21475114]

>>21475026
Reign of Quantity, spirituality inverted.

[Anonymous No.21475283]

>>21465325
lmao, when I look at occultists / le magicians, I'm reminded of those stockbrokers who drive around in their beat-up '92 four-cylinders.

[Anonymous No.21475680]

>>21456762
You got filtered btw

[Anonymous No.21476481]

>>21456762
When I realized that occultists are all talk, no superpowers.

[Anonymous No.21476486]

>>21475680
>You got filtered btw

[Anonymous No.21477544]

bump

[Anonymous No.21477817]

>>21470625
Read this work of genius yesterday thanks to you. King.

[Anonymous No.21478912]

do ghosts and other supernatural entities make themselves visible to the physical eye?

[Anonymous No.21478950]

discord.gg/NJ3nRUZKdU

[Anonymous No.21479045]

>>21457614

[Anonymous No.21479084]

>>21476486
Still filtered btw

[Anonymous No.21479096]

>>21456762
The wand occult pepe is holding is actually one of those jewish pointer thingies.

[Anonymous No.21479130]

>>21456762
probably when i realized seeing numbers, planets and synchronicities everywhere was a sign of mental illness
t. unstable who used to see shadow people and have had actual random audiovisual hallucinations several times in my life

turns out occultism is a way for crazy people to make money off other crazies, my advice? find god and leave this useless stuff behind

[Anonymous No.21479132]

>>21472424
There’s no one-size-fits-all answer, as all of Western esotericism or occultism comes in unique “brands” (schools, sects, interpretations) which colors what you’re going to learn and think about it, even if they all have family resemblances and some underlying similar ancestry.

Theosophy of H.P. Blavatsky, Leadbeater, Besant, Bailey and the like is not going to be identical to (but will have some similarities, as aforementioned) Manly Palmer Hall’s survey of Western esotericism as expressed through the literature of and on secret societies like Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism. This is going to be different from (yet in some ways similar to, again) Ouspenskian esotericism. And those will all yet be different from, yet related to, someone like Steiner’s Anthroposophy. None will be quite like Aleister Crowley’s Thelema, and Kenneth Grant’s Typhonian mysticism (derived from Crowley yet throwing in Lovecraft, references to aforementioned occultists like the Ouspensky/Gurdjieff school and Theosophy, voodoo, Tantra, Advaita Vedanta, Zen Buddhism and other Eastern philosophies, UFOlogy, Carlos Castaneda’s shamanism, and the whole shebang). And all of these may or may not have varying degrees of bullshit thrown in, requiring an incredibly patient and discriminating intellect to sift through and get the raw diamonds out of (if you admit the possibility of “diamonds” even existing in such a field in the first place).

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>>21479132
Amd what might these "diamonds" consist of?

[Anonymous No.21479340]

>>21479211
(Half-joking answer since you’re not going to get anything out of this and I already seem schizo anyway)

Heterodox glimpses of enlightenment. An increasingly awakened and universal Buddhi (Sanskrit: बुद्धि), higher intellect). Colin-Wilsonian derobotization and awakening of “Faculty X.” Realization of Western societies’ ages-long and continuing interpellation of ideas stemming from malevolent forces characterized by Alice Bailey as the Great Black Lodge, Guénon as the Counter-Initiation, and Gurdjieff as the higher, consciously malevolent (involutionary or anti-evolutionary) forces which seek to enslave man and prevent his awakening, and subsequent psychic self-defense from such forces. Training in Tantric transmutation and psychic judo. The Mason Word and the second sight. The significance of retroactively-deemed Lovecraftian monuments, cults, and mythologies of ancient civilizations.

[Anonymous No.21479361]

>>21456762
I encountered Gnosticism, then found Christianity by moving from reading the Nag Hammadi library to reading the Holy Gospels. Started attending the nearest Baptist church for a few months then found my way to Orthodox Christianity.
Reading the Bible and praying did infinitely more for me than anything related to the occult, which nearly made me completely mentally insane a few times.

>>21457437
This is really interesting, could you point me to where I can find more information on this? I've never heard of this before.

>>21461095
I formerly enjoyed R.A.W. quite a lot but at its logical conclusion he's basically just a moral relativist who likes to do drugs. His critiques of materialism hold up pretty well though.

[Anonymous No.21479415]

>>21479361
>at its logical conclusion he's basically just a moral relativist who likes to do drugs.
I see in him a unitarian Deist with shades of process theology. His references to various forms of monistic mysticism (Sufism, Advaita Vedanta) and even bringing up the Visions at Fatima with some belief in their being incapable of being explained away materialistically (as “mass hallucination”) without fundamentally rewriting our views of either the universe or human psychology, lends some credence to this, although he did frequently also attack institutionalized religions and popular “idols”.

[Anonymous No.21479492]

>>21479340
>since you’re not going to get anything out of this
What gives you that impression?

[Anonymous No.21479526]

>>21479492
Honestly, I dunno, I can’t assume that, I just am insecure about how insane I sound to other people if I really started spewing out what I got out of it (a side effect of reading too much occult literature, and not belonging to an accredited, respectable religious lineage). Especially considering we’re in a thread precisely making fun of what people can get out of or claim to have gotten out of the occult.

In a way, I agree (with the OP). It’s too easy to be a “junkie of the occult,” that hit, rush, or thrill of kooky stories, occult knowledge, reputed miraculous abilities, hidden monasteries or enclaves preserving esoteric knowledge, wonder-workers and iconoclasts, and the like. Honestly, you can get everything you need and more out of honestly following traditional wisdom, and a heavy dose of ancient metaphysics. But sometimes, for those eccentrics for whom “official sources” and the old cliched repositories of decaying wisdom just aren’t enough, you need some weird books and far-out ideas, which you can find in the occult.

[Anonymous No.21479861]

>>21479130
But what if God or angels talk to you?