/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21443509]

Explain the core of his philosophy in a paragraph.

[Anonymous No.21443581]

>>21443509
Life-Affirmation taken to the extreme, i.e., life still has meaning even if God doesn’t exist and there is no objective value

[Anonymous No.21443614]

>>21443509
sleep as comfortably as you can, it is the only meaning to life

[Anonymous No.21443619]

In his works, Nietzsche questioned the basis of good and evil. He believed that heaven was an unreal place or “the world of ideas”. His ideas of atheism were demonstrated in works such as “God is dead”. He argued that the development of science and emergence of a secular world were leading to the death of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.21443624]

>>21443619
AI will never get rid of this boring style.

[Anonymous No.21443625]

>>21443509
Decadence: tiredness: castration: loss of power: democracy: equality: collectivism.

[Anonymous No.21443626]

dude, just be yourself lol

[Anonymous No.21443638]

>>21443509
Everything is power relations, and striving in that - that is the meaning of life.

[Anonymous No.21443640]

>>21443509
eternal return of the same

[Anonymous No.21443645]

>think for yourself
>do not follow consensus

[Anonymous No.21443651]

>>21443619
This is a hot take, but I don't think Nietzsche even cared that much about religion and atheism, except in the strict capacity that in his age, Christianity was the predominant mechanism by which people subsumed their individual wills to the greater group. I like to believe that Nietzsche, were he alive today, would have found much more fecund ground for these ideas in observing partisan politics and in the structures of ideology in general.

[Anonymous No.21443842]

Become who you are

[Anonymous No.21443852]

>>21443509
No. Nietzsche wrote about too many things in too nuanced a manner to boil it down to one paragraph.

[Anonymous No.21443856]

>>21443651
What a load of nonsense.

[Anonymous No.21443868]

>>21443856
Ok fedneck.

[Anonymous No.21443874]

hey bros, just finished reading some nietzsche and let me tell you, this dude is a real trip. he's all about this thing called the 'will to power', which basically means we should embrace our primal instincts and strive for personal greatness, no matter what society says. and he's all like 'god is dead', so we shouldn't look to any higher power for guidance. just do whatever the heck we want and become supermen. oh, and he's a big fan of the 'eternal return', which means everything we do is gonna happen over and over again for all eternity. so like, might as well go all out and embrace the chaos, right? #YOLO #FREEDOM #NIETZSCHE4LYFE

[Anonymous No.21443879]

>>21443509
power is good, not goodness

Captcha: T0RA22

[Anonymous No.21443899]

>>21443509
be inspired
be creative
be lighthearted
be life affirming
and most importantly, don't let anyone tell you how to be

[Anonymous No.21444438]

life is good the way it is

[Anonymous No.21444463]

What me want good, what people me no like atm bad. That's it.

He was a bitter incel loser, which makes it hilarious that he has become the voice for faggots, troons, and feminists.

[Anonymous No.21444468]

>>21443509
i could, but i will not

[Anonymous No.21444484]

>>21443509
Be a faggot and live and die like a bitch

[Anonymous No.21444487]

>>21443509
Thought comes after action

[Anonymous No.21444566]

>>21443509
Everything is will to power, which means everything that "is" is not some kind of transcendent Platonic identity or cartesian substance, but an interplay between aimless, tyranical, irrational forces, a primordial discord of multiplicity out of which emerge forces that are active, dominant and forces that are dominated, reactive. There are no laws in nature, since what we percieve as laws are just domination of a certain force at a time; there are no things or objects in the world, since we just rationalize an interplay of forces as things, we objectify them in time; there are no subjects, causes, value judgements that would not be fictions of our drives and limited mental apparatuses or language habits. The reality itself is immoral, blind, purposeless, violent and from this fact revaluation of all metaphysical categories, thinking habits, moral values, political categories follows.

[Anonymous No.21444638]

>>21444566
This is really where Nietzsche shows he is not worth taking seriously. His view of reality is chaos. Yet, there is too much predictability. No man can stop the sun rising or setting, no matter the strength of his will. He was a fool, like his followers.

[Anonymous No.21444645]

>>21444487
kek

[Anonymous No.21444660]

>>21444638
>This is really where quantum theory shows that it is not worth taking seriously. It's view of reality is chaos. Yet, there is too much predictability. No man can stop the sun rising or setting, no matter the strength of his will. He was a fool, like his followers.

[Anonymous No.21444693]

>>21444638
He isn't a fool, he wants humanity to grow a fucking backbone and stop being restricted by religions and many laws. Humans are worth more than fucking cogs following orders 24/7 and being the biggest goody two shoes, people should express their originality. Faggots like you suppress what people are capable of.

[Anonymous No.21444708]

>>21444660
Quantum theory is not chaos, unless you're talking pop science Rick and Morty crap. Again, there is predictability with subatomic particles.

[Anonymous No.21444710]

>>21444708
just like there is predictability in nietzsches theory you retard

[Anonymous No.21444718]

Nietzsche was completely unsystematic. His work is full of question marks and dead ends. Anyone who tries to summarize his philosophy shortly is giving you a whitewashed hackjob. His main influence was Emerson. The summarized versions of Neitzsche as this biological will to power guy actually comes from Heidegger. So Nietzsche to most people is Heidegger's summary of Nietzsche, which, as with most of Heidegger, is completely retarded

[Anonymous No.21444731]

>>21444693
>>21444710
Ok, I was being a dick since this is 4chan. However, his epistemology and ontology are not consistent with reality. You cannot will gravity to stop working. There is not much difference between Nietzsche ranting about an overman and scholastics ranting about angels.

[Anonymous No.21444741]

>>21444731
>You cannot will gravity to stop working
who even said this you time wasting and iq points slurping demon?

[Anonymous No.21444760]

>>21443509

"stop fucking hallucinating and accept reality as it is faggot"

[Anonymous No.21444764]

>>21444741
>There are no laws in nature, since what we percieve as laws are just domination of a certain force at a time

The first post I responded to. Nietzsche paints reality as chaos, when it's not. And yes, if you read Nietzsche he fights against gravity. He uses it metaphorically, but his followers aren't good at nuance and might take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.21444766]

>>21443614
kek, made me laugh

[Anonymous No.21444782]

>>21444487
No, that’s Camus and Sartre

[Anonymous No.21444838]

>>21444764
But what if you can fight gravity with science? You don't know anything about anything, you can't truly assume we can't defy gravity. Science is complex and things are changing everyday, I like Nietzsche rebellion, it gives me hope for the future.

[Anonymous No.21444941]

>>21444838
Instead of posting anything snarky, I will just say if Nietzsche gives you hope, embrace that. And by all means embrace rebellion, Anon.

>You don't know anything about anything,

Very true, and if you continue your pursuit of philosophy, this is where you'll end up one day, too

[Anonymous No.21445122]

>>21443509
People say he is life affirming but all he does is complain. He has interesting insights about how a lot of things we take for granted are actually built on shaky grounds but he is just so whiney. His contrarianism also seems more attention seeking than true deliberation.

[Anonymous No.21445131]

>>21444638
>No man can stop the sun rising or setting, no matter the strength of his will.
It was all in your head. There is no such thing as the sun.

[Anonymous No.21445218]

>>21443509

[Anonymous No.21445845]

>>21443509
We destroyed our previous belief systems and have nothing to replace it

[Anonymous No.21445894]

Do what you want and nothing else

[Anonymous No.21445901]

>THINGS CHANGE!

[Anonymous No.21445923]

>>21443852
>>21444718
>>21444566
The only correct posts in the thread, and they all contradict each other.

[Anonymous No.21446013]

quit drinking alcohol :^) and face the things in your mind that are causing mental anguish head on and you will overcome them and yourself and life all at once

[Anonymous No.21446032]

>>21443614
You jest but there's an entire section in Thus Spoke Zarathustra dedicated to rejecting this idea.

[Anonymous No.21446058]

>>21443509
>humans aren't evolved enough to answer the questions they have yet, but i still love being human. also, i really like early greek plays

[Anonymous No.21446072]

>>21443509
>has a paragraph
>anon does it in a picture

[Anonymous No.21446117]

>>21446072
Or this guy

[Anonymous No.21446120]

>"kill disabled people" - Sneedzsche

[Anonymous No.21446127]

>>21443509
The ancient nobility saw beauty and truth as one and the same thing. Socrates was not part of the nobility but got taken seriously by a noble (Plato) who went on to create a decadent philosophy that enabled Jews to subvert Greco-Roman civilization. Jesus was some Jewish Buddhist whose entire message was co-opted by the Jews in their political warfare against the Roman government. Nobles and slaves interbred as society collapsed and now everyone is a mix of both by blood. Democracy occurs when the strongest types running a society begin to grow old and die out but it can also lead to a new hierarchy if the competitive energy is channeled properly. Degeneracy is part of every age and is not a refutation of that age but the exact opposite, a signal that the age is artistically and intellectually advanced. Real men want real women and vice versa, not faggots or trannies. There is no universal principle. Your perspective emerges from your will to power.

[Anonymous No.21446134]

“But why must we use these words upon a slanderous intent has for so long been imprinted”

[Anonymous No.21446718]

>>21443899
So Nietzsche was basically a suburban woman who shares "live laugh love" quotes on Insta?

[Anonymous No.21446736]

>>21446127
Platonism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Anonymous No.21446785]

>>21446736
It's not immoral according to Western humanism, it's immoral according to the principle of proportionate punishment, which is what all principles of justice are based on in their penal aspects. This principle goes all the way back to the origins of justice.

[Anonymous No.21446831]

>>21443651
Literally every single scholar and philosopher disagrees with your interpretation of Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.21446850]

>>21446120
Who tf is that?

[Anonymous No.21446864]

>>21446850
The Cambodian Ubermensch

[Anonymous No.21446919]

>>21443509
Abstracted morality only serves as an unhealthy subversion of primal power hierarchies You need to be a selfish douche because anything else is a lie against nature.

He heavily influenced fascism even though his followers will get defensive and cry and deny it when you point that out.

[Anonymous No.21447855]

>>21444718
Precisely.

That is why his name is _hide_ EGGER, overtly hinting on the nature of his game. He 'gestells' the Egg.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9txJtVI_5EY

[Anonymous No.21447985]

>>21443509
I crap (((my pants))), but at least I have never even attempted to read and understand Aristotle, Aquinas or Kant, and I don't care about le epic logic.
masturbate, smoke weed and don't listen to your parents, teenage goym.

[Anonymous No.21448256]

>>21443509
he is a cringe hypocritical retard
he claim to reject morality yet he obviously have values of good and evil , for example his actions clearly showed that he thought that anti Semitism as bad and another example he consider power to be a good and weakness to be bad (it also ironic since he was a cucked skinny fat weakling)
also he was a materialist retard yet at the same time he had schizo dumb takes and his supposed solution to nihilism is braindead and retarded and doesn't work that why most of his fans and fallowers are nihilistic and depressed
he is only impassive for midwits , evola was far far better then this faggot

[Anonymous No.21448290]

Nietzsche's metaphysics re Heidegger and Deleuze

All the world is will to power, the principle of dispensation for a new evaluation in the wake of nihilism. Our values have until now been derived from the supersensible realm - be it transcendence as in the form of the good, God, or Reason - but our commitment to truth has cut us off from the supersensible realm with the development of science.

Insofar as the will to power is individuated it is individuated in terms of value. Value is the characteristic activity of the will to power, which because there is no doer behind the deed (Nietzsche exposes and avoids falling prey to the grammatical fiction which subjectivises activity as in cases like lightning flashes - there is only the flash ), is as much as saying that value is the will to power.

The will to power engages with the environment (which is itself also will to power) in terms of the conditions of preservation and enhancement for the form of power (value) that it is and interpretations and evaluations derive from these terms. Preservation is its persistence and enhancement is its growth in power. Interpretively, the will to power creates an image of the environment which selectively highlights features relevant to its preservation and enhancement. Evaluatively, the will to power dispenses evaluative judgements on the basis of its activity (more of itself is good, less of itself is bad). These are ultimately linked in that the selectivity involved in interpretation is evaluative and the self-understanding involved in judging oneself to be increased or diminished is interpretive.

Now values are in this world, and not some "true" Platonic world which would depreciate this one. Nihilism is overcome. Become what you are, love fate, etc etc

[Anonymous No.21448310]

>>21448290

This was as short as I can do and its still shit.

This board and especially this thread is full of fuckwits. Read Nietzsche and get off /lit/

[Anonymous No.21448320]

well Nietzsche is a postmodernist since he hates truth and is just desperate to salvage atheism (ie death of Judaism-christianity) by trying to use the relativism that the atheists used to take power without falling into nihilism. of course being an atheist he failed miserably. Atheism=nihilism=hedonism forever

his retarded idea was that relativism is true so now people must compete for imposing their values onto others. Ie what you have now with the leftists. This is why socialists of all eras took Nietzsche as their gurus. the nazis and the socialists today idolize Nietzsche.

You really have to be an atheist bug to admire this piece of shit that was Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.21448327]

>>21446831
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T HOLD UNPOPULAR POSITIONS

[Anonymous No.21448336]

>>21444718
Pseud take

Heidegger inaugurates the metaphysical and not biological reading of the will to power.

While he inaugurates this reading in the scholarship, this thought is still Nietzsche's and can be seen plain as day in his work - especially the notebooks which is what Heidegger draws from in his books on Nietzsche.

Emerson being Nietzsche's biggest influence is peak "Internet philosophy" brainrot from Americans trying desperately to have a culture. Plato, Schopanhauer, Kant and Lange are his real influences

"Oh but he's the anti-platonist par excellence and constantly bashes Kant and Schopanhauer" - yeah that's how Nietzsche's idea of self-overcoming works. You only overcome what you love.

[Anonymous No.21448438]

>>21446831
So?

[Anonymous No.21450281]

>>21443619
>emergence of a secular world were leading to the death of Christianity.
Isn't this an oxymoron? A secular world emerged because Christianity died, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.21450439]

Say yes to suffering.

[Anonymous No.21450550]

>>21448256
>and another example he consider power to be a good and weakness to be bad (it also ironic since he was a cucked skinny fat weakling)
Exactly, he goes on and on criticizing Christianity for being sick or encouraging love of weakness, all of which are just stand in words for immoral.

[Anonymous No.21451188]

>>21443509
Why would I do that?

[Anonymous No.21451379]

>>21450439
This. And say yes to life. Nietzsche wants us to live our lives fully. Not rejecting passions, or battles. This will probably end up destroying me in the process. But I think for Nietzsche there is nothing more noble than that end. It’s inspiring stuff but also quite scary.

[Anonymous No.21451427]

>>21443509
Life-Affirmation taken to the extreme

[Anonymous No.21451482]

being a pleb filter

[Anonymous No.21451505]

>>21446718
Minus love, in addition to other things

The irony there is that "live laugh love" is not at all a bad maxim if you thought about it. It's just uninformative.

Separate from Nietzsche I've found this funny to think about. We reject a lot of the optimism and gushing plattitudes we see from normies and old people, meanwhile, they're performing better at life. Flourishing and happiness look stupid from the outside, especially as it becomes more and more foreign to you. Foreign things have this effect. The normies lack aptitude in the areas you excel in and that you have put value on as a result. Maybe they reflect less and occasionally say things that you can discern to be illogical, maybe they're not as good at debating, or at getting first place in Fortnite. Meanwhile they maintain healthy relationships, balance their finances, get promoted at work, master various activities, while you sit here on the internet and call them stupid as you waste away into inaction, practical incompetence, and half-baked pessimism.

As I've gotten older I've arrived at the surreal experience of suddenly recognizing the wisdom and reality in Grandma's facebook platitudes, a reality I was estranged from for the sake of a skeptical, narrow-minded, and unproductive existence that I called "intellectual".

Pay attention to people with good lives. You think they're stupid because its foreign and they lack your strengths, they think you're stupid too, for the same reasons along with a few more.

[Anonymous No.21451607]

>>21443856
>>21446831
I'll step in to say to you that >>21443651 is right, but perhaps misunderstood.

Religion/Atheism is NOT the significant issue. This applies to the general drift of philosophy as well as Nietzsche, to be honest.

Nietzsche surveys a variety of ways of living with various tradeoffs and perspectival truths. The decisive difference is NOT which involves religion and which doesn't. There's no bottom line to the matter anyhow.

For instance, Greek religion and a non-religious way of life may go in the same thread in Nietzsche's lens, and the "religious" problem being critiqued will range from Christianity to asceticism and various non-religious modes as well. "God is dead" creates a lot of hangups for people, without reading Nietzsche you would assume its followed by a lot of atheist diatribes. He does NOT say much about atheism, as a matter of fact, not compared to any other significant topic in Nietzsche.

Nietzsche provides various analyses of various religions, to the end of various points. They are rarely connected under some sense of the "religious topic". It will more often be an analysis of a society, running alongside analysis of their politics and art as well as their religion. Never is there some rhetoric about how religion is wrong. It's just a creative way of human organization and Nietzsche will like some more than others.

What's significant to his reputation is the "God is dead" and Christianity-as-slave-morality stuff. Sorely misunderstood. "God is dead" refers to a far bigger problem than literal religiosity, it is an issue expressed outside of the religious context. The critique of Christianity, with its problematic otherworldliness and life-denial, is, again, one that goes in the broader thread of slave morality. Christianity, Platonic philosophy, democracy, egalitarianism... There is one current which these things comprise, and it's not a religious one.

In short...The hot take was right. Religion in Nietzsche is just a useful means of analyzing societies. It's just one social institution among others, and again, the "meaning" of religion varies utterly depending on the religion/society in question and the argument Nietzsche is citing it for at the time.

Now if OP meant that Nietzsche finds the subject of religion uninteresting or not useful, that wouldn't be true. His first profession involved extensive study of Greek religion, his central philosophical identity is as a disciple of a Greek god. But OP seems to be saying that religion serves its use more for analyzing the past, and that Nietzsche would refer less to religion if he were analyzing the current state of the world (except insofar as its a product of a history involving religion).

>>21448327
>>21448438
On the practical level, disagreeing with all the scholars does probably mean you're wrong. Not an appeal to authority, just a reality. Sorry

[Anonymous No.21451625]

>>21443509
Books of rules bad.

Following what you believe in good.

[Anonymous No.21452408]

>>21451505
Good post anon -- I've found the same. The limitations of writing and understanding are demonstrated fully when in your own personal life platitudes that can seem so banal for so long suddenly take on an actual meaning as you encounter them personally. Wisdom is something very difficult to learn.

[Anonymous No.21453505]

>>21443509
just be yourself

[Anonymous No.21453669]

>>21443509
Metaphysics is Idolatry

[Anonymous No.21454677]

>>21443581
>Cope: the paragraph

[Anonymous No.21454899]

>>21444731
>You cannot will gravity to stop working
*jumps*

[Anonymous No.21454940]

>>21443509
He's basically a Rorschach test and you'll take from him what you want to take from him. You can't treat him like a political theorist because he doesn't offer anything close to a coherent political system, just a bunch of scattered critiques of different thinkers and philosophies. There is something that the right and left can find in him because he contains multitudes. It's true, for example, that he was against socialism, but there are leftist threads that are also against socialism, such as certain variants of anarchism. At the same time he was for instance highly critical of organized religion -- Christianity in general -- which is more of a leftist thing, for example. Nietzche would have also abhorred Nazism because he was anti-nationalist and had a very poor, highly critical opinion of his native Germany. He also loathed anti-Semitism, going so far as to say "I will have all antisemites shot." People of virtually all political persuasions have claimed Nietzsche as on of their own, from anarchists to fascists. Even older liberals like Rawls liked him. You read Nietzche not to pick "a side" but for his unique and incomparable writings about morality, the classics, history, culture critique, religion, philosophy, psychology, and so on. Some of it is quacky, but all of it is food for thought. Only a daft person has to believe everything they read for them to find value in a thinker.

[Anonymous No.21455723]

>>21443509
Things are not so black and white. Good and evil are the same, but the way we make value judgments makes it so that what is good or evil depends on the circumstances. So, just be yourself and treat your work, and life in general, as art because wallowing in science is a waste of one's own life.