/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21392881]

Scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson's list of 8 books every intelligent person should read.

Which ones would you remove and which ones would you add?

[Anonymous No.21392895]

>>21392881
The Art of Self Fellatio by Neil deGrasse Tyson. A practical guide

[Anonymous No.21392898]

>le midwit blackman faec

[Anonymous No.21392902]

>>21392881
Angloids are so fucking stupid. None of these books are important except Origin of the Species which was likely plagiarised from some European scientist anyway

[Anonymous No.21392903]

>>21392895
Hmmmm I wonder what could make you dislike this beloved scientist so much? I can't quite put my finger on it. You've stumped me!

[Anonymous No.21392904]

>>21392881
His description of the Bible is genuinely one of the most pretentious things I've ever heard

[Anonymous No.21392905]

>>21392902
You're even dumber than the negro

[Anonymous No.21392907]

>>21392902
You can’t be this ignorant. Those are all massively important works to the history of the western world.

[Anonymous No.21392912]

>>21392881
I would simply add my favorite books, i am not intelligent but i still like them and so intelligent people might like them as well and if not then who cares

[Anonymous No.21392914]

>>21392881
I guarantee this retard hasn't finished any of those.

[Anonymous No.21392915]

>>21392904
He's enlightened by his own intelligence.

[Anonymous No.21392926]

>The smartest nigger in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2bMtJla70

[Anonymous No.21392927]

>>21392914
Probably Paine, Sun Tzu, and maybe the Prince because they're short.

[Anonymous No.21392936]

>>21392926

[Anonymous No.21392937]

Actually a pretty good list for such a flagrant midwit

[Anonymous No.21392940]

>>21392937
It's a terrible list

[Anonymous No.21392952]

>>21392940
His obligatory snarky leftoid drivel aside, what is objectionable?

[Anonymous No.21392953]

>>21392937
>>21392940
It's not an exclusive list so it is just a subset of the books "every intelligent person should read."
It's not necessarily bad as long as you don't limit yourself to only those books (which the list doesn't suggest) but the reasonings for each book are ridiculously cringe.
All of the stuff is just extremely basic info, it isn't some "intelligent person" stuff though.

[Anonymous No.21392965]

Good list, he is indeed the smartest nigger in the world. Sun Tzu's a meme though, incidentally the only non-white on the list.

[Anonymous No.21392968]

this nog is the most highly touted midwit ever. from strictly social observation, one would ascertain he's the most intelligent man in america. reddit: the man

[Anonymous No.21392969]

>>21392952
>no ancient books aside from the bible which was put there ironically
>random asian book among all-european books
>the one fiction book is YA tier
It's garbage. If you want 8 books to summarize the Western world read instead

Homer's Iliad
Plato's Republic
Euclid's Elements
The Bible
Augustine's Confessions
Shakespeare's Hamlet
Hobbes' Leviathan
Kant's Critique of Pure Reason

[Anonymous No.21392972]

>>21392953
>It's not an exclusive list
>It's not necessarily bad
>All of the stuff is just extremely basic
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.21392973]

>>21392903
Why is he beloved?

[Anonymous No.21392979]

>>21392973
He's a quadroon and doesn't scare wine moms

[Anonymous No.21392984]

>>21392973

[Anonymous No.21392989]

>>21392881
Who cares what a dumb shitskin thinks? Black people think they are the shit. No, you are just shit in human form.

[Anonymous No.21392994]

>>21392881
>The Bible is merely a tool for arbitrarily enforcing ideas instead of allowing people to think for themselves
>Also here's a book about why reason and liberal democracy are objectively the greatest systems ever

[Anonymous No.21392997]

>>21392973
He isn't. This dumb ape was popular for a year when i was in high school almost 10 years ago, purely because he's negroid and miraculously obtained credentials in astronomy (no affirmative action, im sure).

[Anonymous No.21393006]

>>21392997
Give him some credit, he's got a PhD. Compared the Bill Nye the mediocre goyim guy.

[Anonymous No.21393007]

>>21392984
>Thus the American presents a strange picture: a European with Negro behaviour and an Indian soul. He shares the fate of all usurpers of foreign soil. Certain Australian primitives assert that one cannot conquer foreign soil, because in it there dwell strange ancestor-spirits who reincarnate themselves in the newborn. There is a great psychological truth in this. The foreign land assimilates its conqueror

[Anonymous No.21393023]

>>21392926
WTF is wrong with him?!

[Anonymous No.21393045]

>>21392881
>The world is a knowable place
I honestly wonder what is meant by this sentence. If he means that the world is an object of thought, does he disagree with the commonly accepted materialist tenet that particles, and by extension particle aggregates such as brains (for what other knower would he allow) simply are, and that they interact with each other ? Does he also affirm that the mind is capable of directly interacting with some transcendent nature of reality?

[Anonymous No.21393063]

>>21392965
>The Bible
>white

[Anonymous No.21393077]

>>21392881
>>21392881
1 brown book
6 white books
1 chink book

uncle tom confirmed

[Anonymous No.21393082]

>>21392881
nice vest, neil

good thing i'm dumb

[Anonymous No.21393111]

>>21393045

[Anonymous No.21393184]

>>21392926
>man has the same weird thought over a period of 9 years
You guys need to grow up, holy shit who cares

[Anonymous No.21393191]

>>21393111
It is both puzzling and unsurprising that I hear these types ramble on about ‘knowledge’ and the ‘laws of the universe’ , which they profess to in some way have a reliable knowledge of. If the mind is the brain, as they affirm, surely then the brain is the ‘knowledge container’. But the brain isn’t a unified whole, so what exactly is it that ‘knows’? Furthermore, since the brain is divisible, it isn’t an ontologically real object but merely a mental convention/unreal aggregate. If there is in ultimate reality something which knows it must then be a particle, but particles are not said to know anything. If we refrain from saying that there is an ontological knower but that ‘knowledge’ is a kind of verbal convention which refers to a tendency in a conventionally described aggregate object to act in such a way as to obtain certain ends, then we must explain what it is which is capable of conventional description, because it seems we would then have one purely conventional unreal object conventionally describing another, which merely leads us one link farther along an infinite series of retardation. Better not to move at all.

[Anonymous No.21393192]

>>21393184
Why would you take issue with this, are you a woman

[Anonymous No.21393197]

>>21393184
>defending black man for free
Kek someone felt attacked

[Anonymous No.21393200]

>>21392881
Don't much care for him but those are not bad selections

[Anonymous No.21393226]

>>21393191
Yeah, that's the hard problem. I've not heard a real refutation of it (I know they exist supposedly, I just haven't looked into them because I don't really care too much about the nature of consciousness)

[Anonymous No.21393236]

>>21393192
How can you find it entertaining? It's about as trivial a criticism as can be made.

[Anonymous No.21393239]

>>21393197
>hating black man for free
Kek someone is boring

[Anonymous No.21393251]

>>21393239
He doesn't hate black people.

[Anonymous No.21393258]

>>21393236
nta but reading those tweets in succession made me laugh, it's pretty funny

[Anonymous No.21393265]

>>21393236
>>21393197
>>21393184
HOLY SEETHING

[Anonymous No.21393285]

>>21393265
No u
>>21393251
All of you hate black people. It's true. I can smell the obsessive disdain
>>21393258
That's fair. I still think its dumb as a real criticism.

[Anonymous No.21393288]

>>21392926
I'm offended by the lack of diversity on that list. Only one POC and so many Christians?!

[Anonymous No.21393291]

>>21392881
Darwin: My theory is bunk if the millions of intermediary forms arent found.
They werent found.
So why keep reading him? Its just mythology for atheists.

[Anonymous No.21393294]

>>21393285
Not true. We want black gfs. We have jungle fever. Black dudes are bros.

[Anonymous No.21393313]

>>21393226
I’m not saying that materialism is necessarily wrong in this line of reasoning, merely arguing that materialism lacks the ontology necessary to support any entity which is objectively similar to a hypothetical ‘knower’. This problem has been known since Plato if not earlier. The cause is the inability of materialism to support any degree of aboutness.

[Anonymous No.21393325]

>>21392881
Sure, but what would happen if immovable Scientism meet unstoppable smug?

They'd probably just have sex with each other.

[Anonymous No.21393329]

>>21393285
>All of you hate black people. It's true. I can smell the obsessive disdain
Obsessive is a stretch, but it's very evident that this guy is on a pedestal for being black. The remainder of your statement is true, though (for me at least). It is what it is

[Anonymous No.21393331]

>>21392904
Kek I read it and just laughed out loud. I expected something snarky but it almost reads as self-satire

[Anonymous No.21393341]

>>21392881
I strongly suspect that this fellow has read none of these books. Anyway, I'd replace all of them with Platonic treatises.

[Anonymous No.21393342]

>>21393294
No youre just sexuall confused. You subconsciously hate the biggest blackest of men, with their similarly sized phallus, and so you fetishize non-white bodies to get back at them. Subconsciously. Racist.

[Anonymous No.21393368]

>>21393329
I'll reply earnestly since you seem genuine.
>it's very evident that this guy is on a pedestal for being black
Maybe for some, yeah, especially far left upper class white yuppie types. But as for the average person who appreciates him? I think they see merit. I checked out some of science man's stuff after seeing how much he gets memed - and his main strength is in his oration. He speaks clearly and simply, and is fairly goofy which makes him seem friendly. So he gets a rapport going when interviewed and explains ostensibly difficult topics in a way digestible to people who wouldn't otherwise take the time to study those topics. He's the sort of person you'd want teaching secondary school physics and chemistry, so the kids aren't bored as soon as they don't get something.

As a public intellectual though? Idk maybe it's a good thing for the average person to have access to stuff like this, but plenty of more serious academics have written books designed to be digestible for laymen so why is Tyson needed? (Nobody reads books anymore).

[Anonymous No.21393393]

[Anonymous No.21393407]

>>21392902
These are important for the western world. Of course they're irrelevant to your third world country no one's heard of.

[Anonymous No.21393424]

>>21392902
>>21393407
>Western world

Irrelevant

[Anonymous No.21393451]

>>21392973
because he's a scientist with a twist! A scientist who, unlike other scientists, is BLACK! How quirky, don't you just love when a black person manages to do what 100s of white people already do?

[Anonymous No.21393484]

>>21392881
>5/8 books are Anglos

[Anonymous No.21393492]

>>21392902
>Angloids

[Anonymous No.21393547]

>>21393342
Sound's like you fetishize black men
You damn homo

[Anonymous No.21393657]

>>21393368
I genuinely dislike him specifically because his way if speaking ticks all the boxes of how a popular speaker should be, like he tries so hard to be likeable that it seems fake. I also hate how he tries to touch everyone like they are best buddies.
He probably does some good for science, but he's just not for me and it's not because he's black.

[Anonymous No.21393667]

>>21393657
>He probably does some good for science
lol

[Anonymous No.21393686]

>>21393547
I am NOTa homo. Take that back right freaking now!

[Anonymous No.21393687]

>>21393657
I hear you. Hence I think his appeal is to more average people. You and me anon? We ain't that - we special :)

[Anonymous No.21393706]

>>21392926

[Anonymous No.21393713]

>>21392881
meh
pretty safe choices

[Anonymous No.21393806]

>>21392881
Not even bad, considering he could shill some pop sci books or something by Krauss.

[Anonymous No.21393814]

>>21392969
>Swift is YA
Retard.

[Anonymous No.21393816]

"The power of rational thought" should have extended past Auschwitz to all rationalist plebs and efficiently gassed them into their reductionist dream world.

[Anonymous No.21393824]

>>21392926
Lead poisoning sure did a number on boomers

[Anonymous No.21393827]

>>21392881
He is such a Lord of Pseuds. I'm ashamed of him.
>>21392904
Yes.

[Anonymous No.21393858]

>>21393424
>t. Living in the West on welfare
Dumb ape

[Anonymous No.21393862]

>>21393342
Blacks actually have smaller penises on average. Penis size correlates most strongly with height, and nordic whites are the tallest, and also havr the longest average penises. Similarly, spics and chinks are short and have shortest average weewees.

[Anonymous No.21393980]

>>21393862
>cope the post

[Anonymous No.21394055]

>>21392881
He actually read the whole bible with no spiritual intentions? what a trooper

[Anonymous No.21394073]

>>21392912
Only good response in this thread. I will now leave becuse nothing will top this.

[Anonymous No.21394076]

>>21392881
Says the guy who tells people to get the covid vax which didn't end up living up to the hype

[Anonymous No.21394156]

>>21393862
Hey man, you know an awful lot about penises. Why is that?

[Anonymous No.21394465]

>>21392881
The least imbecilic Negroid.

[Anonymous No.21394848]

>>21393023
All niggers have or soon will have AIDS and other anal diseases due to promiscuity and constant anal sex.

[Anonymous No.21394872]

>>21393045
The funniest part of the image is that he uses bullshit like that to describe Newton immediately after his gay stab at the Bible, meaning he's completely ignorant of how profoundly, obsessively religious Newton was.
He wrote significantly more on his own private fairly-heretical theology than on physics, blatantly stated that God was the only way to understand the world, and could still give /x/ a run for its schizo-money on biblical prophecy and esoteric alchemy.

[Anonymous No.21395079]

>>21392973
He’s literally just “moderately smart science man” who’s whored himself into publicity like his tutor Carl Sagan. Just look him up, he hasn’t published any actual work or papers since the 80’s

[Anonymous No.21395090]

>>21392881
I haven’t read most of these, but the art of war is such a stupid meme. It’s all either obvious or very specific to actual military war and not applicable to life.

[Anonymous No.21395314]

>>21392881
Good list.

[Anonymous No.21395357]

>>21392984
>France
The absolute fucking irony

[Anonymous No.21395381]

>>21392969
Lmao what a pseud

[Anonymous No.21395384]

>>21392904
On top of that he makes the irony of having his second suggested book one by a devout Christian who is quoted to study the Bible daily.

[Anonymous No.21395403]

>>21392881
>the bible
I thought he'd give a take on how there's actual wisdom in it, too bad I guess
>darwin
bet he wouldn't like his other books
>Art of war
has he read it? it's basically how to avoid direct conflict with the enemy because the guy who wrote it lead a heavily outnumbered army, not how to make an art of killing people

[Anonymous No.21395489]

>>21394156
He's black and gay.

[Anonymous No.21395560]

>>21395381
>>21393814
I accept your concessions

[Anonymous No.21395568]

>>21392926
>>21392936
>>21393023
>>21393184
>>21393288
>>21393706
>>21393706
he obviously has a list of "interesting" facts that he looks through every day to post on his twitter to seem smart.

[Anonymous No.21395572]

>>21395568
Nah he just kisses himself in the mirror often and posts about it when he remembers

[Anonymous No.21396161]

Machiavelli and Sun Tzu instantly outs people as pseuds.

[Anonymous No.21396614]

>>21392881
>killing is a art

[Anonymous No.21396642]

>>21396161
What’s wrong with Machiavelli besides outdated mercenary advice and unified Italy fetishism?

[Anonymous No.21396659]

>>21392881
What, did he just read Wiki summaries of each of these books?

[Anonymous No.21396719]

>>21396659
That would actually be smart

[Anonymous No.21396870]

If intelligent people are free thinkers then they'll read what they want. Anyone reading something because "it's for smart people" is most likely a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.21396999]

>>21392904
Exactly what I was thinking

[half romanian No.21397150]

>>21396642
mercenary advice isnt outdated
see how the saudi army is doing

[Anonymous No.21397555]

>>21392881
He didn't read The Art of War or The Prince.

[Anonymous No.21397568]

>>21394055
>the whole bible
No, but like, bits of it.

[Anonymous No.21397627]

>>21392973
In his own words "he can explain complex ideas in simple language."
Read: He can trick midwits into thinking they know something complex when in fact they only know a superficial anecdote filled to the brim with falsehoods.

[Anonymous No.21397644]

>>21393191
>Better not to move at all
Also because it is genuinely useless knowledge. There's nothing in life that need and can't be found in the world as it is and has been since beginning of humanity.
People who waste their lives pursuing that kind of knowledge are the great egotists who don't care about actually helping humanity but only care about "discovery" for which they may take credit; deep down they want to be the "saviours" of humanity, instead of just being content with being a useful, loving human being.

[Anonymous No.21397652]

>>21394055
You know he didn't

[Anonymous No.21397666]

[Anonymous No.21397751]

>>21397644
* There's nothing in life that you need that can't be found in the world as it is.

[Anonymous No.21397784]

>>21392881
Amazing how this list is more solid than 99% of the ones you would get from /lit/

[Anonymous No.21397818]

This is a great list if you are freshly out of the government school system and want to continue cattle class

[Anonymous No.21397822]

>>21392881
Just a reminder

[Anonymous No.21397826]

>>21397644
I don't get what you are saying, are you saying science is not useful and scientists are arrogant?

[Anonymous No.21397859]

>>21393111

Philosophy btfos science once again

[Anonymous No.21398082]

>>21397826
NTA but people like you think Paradise Lost is about Satan as a basedboy.

[Anonymous No.21398151]

>>21393191
Use the "Ship of Theseus" on man's identification of consciousness with brain.

[Anonymous No.21398209]

>>21397555
Or the Bible. Or The Wealth of Nations. And, though I've never read them, I suspect he's never read The Age of Reason and Gulliver's Travels too.

[Anonymous No.21398220]

>>21392881
I would add the book of not associating with individuals involved in pedophilia

[Anonymous No.21398355]

>>21398151
A counterpoint would be the transcendental unity of apperception. The oldest question in philosophy: How is unity (concept, idea, universal) ever reducible to or derivable from multiplicity (particulars, individuals, contingent experiences), without a subject-enacted, decisional component, that is fundamentally distinct from the particulars themselves? How many apples does an abstract "mind" need to receive sense data from before it can correctly identify what an "apple" is, every time? Imagine yourself as Plato or Aristotle wondering at the fact that the mind can have imperfect, shitty information about an infinite plurality of imperfect, shifting sense information out in front of it, and correctly still determine that it's looking at one instance of "apple" against a backdrop of irrelevant or less relevant information. There is something happening IN the mind at that moment, what the Greeks and Husserl call noesis, the intending of a concept that is stable in all the continuous flux of plurality. Even when that apple is then moved, destroyed, or revealed to have been an illusion. Intentionality is irreducible to flux, its very function is the selection of things out of the flux AS not-flux. Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit starts with this basic idea and scenario.

The only way to really explain conceptuality is by presupposing that the particular-identifying, concept-possessing "thing" (the mind) has something in it that is distinct from the particulars it is tasked with identifying. One simply can't logically derive, or provide, a completely subject-free, decision-free model of an abstractly conceived "mind" that correctly identifies an infinite multiplicity of sense data, and correctly identifies some blobs within the flux of data as apples and other blobs as mere noise. The very notion of "correct" just recursively invokes the issue of a decision, since "correct" tautologically means "corresponding to the concept, intending the concept correctly," which is something we can only conceive of a mind doing.

The very concept of a concept tautologically presupposes a decision-making, subjective, non-objective mind, doing something different from what objects do. A decisionless, non-subjective mind (a contradiction in terms as) wouldn't even be able to separate one "datum" from another "datum" in the flux, because data in this case are themselves concepts, they themselves presuppose a DECISION (which tautologically presupposes a subjective mind) on what a "bit" is, on what the fundamental informational "atom" of the system is. Even to intend "flux" as a "something" requires an instance of intentionality, and again this is what Hegel's Phenomenology starts with. As Hegel would say, to intend flux is also to suppress not-flux, to make a decision and division of things.

[Anonymous No.21398357]

>>21398355
The only way to conceive of a mind without decisions is to conceive of it as purely governed by efficient and material causation, so that all apparent decision-making is just very complex instances of physical movements in a system that ultimately possesses no mental character. So all apparent subjectivity would then be an illusion. But this raises the old question, an illusion for whom? "Illusion" is a concept that involves the exclusion of "real" (and thus a concept of the real), as decided upon (intended/correctly identified) by a thinking subject.

It's just BARELY thinkable to posit a universe with absolutely no contents whatsoever other than material bits moving around, impacting one another, forming pseudo-structures that are actually not structures at all because there is nothing other than the bits, except from the perspective of subjects (who don't exist) who are insufficiently informed about how they don't exist. But this is obviously full of absurdities. In a thoroughly materialistic universe, nothing other than the atoms could exist, all larger structures would be pseudo-structures, and only structures from the flawed "perspective" of... whom?

And if you want to go even further than this: even in a universe where we only have efficient causation operating between material bits, it is still a DECISION to identify the bits (atoms or strings or whatever) as distinct - distinction is a noetic, intentional, conceptual activity. Even if you respond to this by saying, there are no bits, only a continuous space-time fabric and its laws, well, you still have a distinction between the fabric and the laws, and between the laws if there are multiple. Any conceptual distinction, any attempt to think anything, presupposes subjectivity in a way that can't be reduced to a material model, because all material models themselves presuppose non-material conceptual elements, "ideal" entities, and ideal distinctions between entities, which are "structures," and we have already clarified that in a materialistic metaphysics, structures can only be pseudo-structures, all distinctions are illusory, but we need structural distinctions just to elaborate the materialistic theory in the first place. To define the bits, to intend them as distinct from one another and from the laws governing them. The ancient atomists ran into this problem immediately. That's why the existence of void was so controversial, because if "all that exists is atoms" is your doctrine, and you need void for the atoms to operate in, you already fucked up.

[Anonymous No.21398753]

>>21392898
>/lit/ midwits actually think they're smarter than an astrophysicist.

[Anonymous No.21398755]

>>21392902
>>21393492
Yes, angloids. This buck is absolutely dripping the retarded worldview the Anglosphere spews out

[Anonymous No.21398759]

Joe Rogan trying to get this guy to do shrooms is going to be one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen for a while.

[Anonymous No.21398950]

>>21398753
I took astrophysics electives in uni and they weren't hard compared to regular math courses. You just memorize really basic shit and the math involved isn't difficult at all.

[Anonymous No.21399042]

It's not easy to do what you're told if you read The Bible and do what Jesus and the apostles tell you to do.

[Anonymous No.21399056]

>>21397822
Wow! He really is smarter than me!

[Anonymous No.21399065]

>>21392881
>AstroTurfed affirmative action nigger science man is here to enlighten you

[Anonymous No.21399722]

>>21392881
>Gulliver's Travels (...) to learn that most of the time humans are Yahoos

[Anonymous No.21399762]

>>21392881
>Muh Bible is fake
>Based Isaac Newton!
Ok, whatever you say Black Science man

[Anonymous No.21399780]

>>21392926
Schrodinger's shitpost: Did he really post this or was it made up by some autist? The only way to know is to look, but I know I can't be bothered.

[Anonymous No.21399963]

>>21393342
hmm interesting post!

[Anonymous No.21400363]

>>21398753
Yeah I am

[Anonymous No.21400430]

>>21398753
Anyone over 100 iq can become an astrophysicist if they study that in school. You have a child-like conception of what jobs are impressive.

[Anonymous No.21400436]

>>21393285
The only obsessive one is you, the guy defending this uppity negro for no reason. Let me guess, you are brown?

[Anonymous No.21401216]

Most of catholics/jewish arent creationist, is just tradition. They are more in touch with the phylosophy and moral ideas. I don't know atheist are OBSSESED with fundamentalist, there arent even that much of them. Is like poltards owning traps and stuff. Cringe

[Anonymous No.21401858]

>>21392973
angloids loves african man