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So did Camus view Meursault as a model for us to follow, or just caricature of absurdism?

>> No.2138386

no and no, respectively

yw

>> No.2138390

This question would probably deeply offend Camus.

And >>2138386
has the right responses: no and no.

>> No.2138408

I can't comprehend how anyone could think of intentionally following him as a pattern.

Oh, wait, yes I can. The main character in Houellebecq's "Whatever." See how likable he was.

>> No.2138423

He wasn't exactly a likeable character. I didn't hate him, but he just felt dull. But I enjoyed his telling off the priest.

>> No.2138431

I don't even read books and I can tell you that this peice of garbage, or as the French say: "garbge", is the literary equivelant of a big fat turd in the pool. I hate everything about that unartistic and 'I'm so deep that I don't have to draw right, like whoa' cover. It makes me want become a libertarian. I bet it has the main character die in proyest as he stands alone as the sole unoticed martyr of his amazimg cause. Utter total communost propoganda.

>> No.2138434

>>2138431
>literally judging a book by its cover

nvm just read ur name 1/10 made me respond

>> No.2138440

>>2138434


you forgot to sage, newfagget.

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>>2138440
>Implying he meant to sage

>> No.2138491

>>2138440
Newfags don't seem to realize that sage is useless

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Can someone explain the point of this book to me? I read it and it didn't seem to give any real explanation of absurdism or any model to follow.

>> No.2138505

>>2138500
Read Nausea

>> No.2138506

Every time I see that picture I think he has his cock out.

>> No.2138507

>>2138506
What you have done to me, cannot be undone.

>> No.2138508

>>2138505

I might.

What is the point of this book though? It seemed completely pointless.

>> No.2138512

>>2138508
The irony. It's palpable.

>> No.2138515

>>2138505

I never really 'got' nausea. I pride myself on cosmopolitan interests but I couldn't get past its frenchness.

>> No.2138516

>>2138512

Care to elaborate? It's been a while since I read it.

>> No.2138518
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Such trollery

>> No.2138521

>>2138516
Do I really need to explain how the following:
>>2138508
>What is the point of this book though? It seemed completely pointless.

is ironic when describing The Stranger?

Or am I being trolled?

>> No.2138522

>>2138521

I'm not trolling. I kind of understand your point, but I still don't see how the book was a worthwhile read or why it was recommended to me.

>> No.2138525

This thread is an example of why i fucking despise continental philosophy

> So what point are you trying to make?

> LOL look at this simpleton! You can't just 'ask' questions like that! That's the whole point!

An inability to form a coherent point is not a fucking statement about the world, it is dressing up a theory's failure as some sort of triumph

>> No.2138526

>>2138522
Because a bunch of people who lived before you thought it was. Do you have respect for others' opinions?

>> No.2138532

>>2138526

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

>> No.2138534

>>2138526

Not if they're awful. The book was extremely boring and didn't seem to have any clear theme to me. I would've much rather read something else in the time I dedicated to it.

>> No.2138544

>>2138534
Right. And what do you hope to gain by telling me this? I can't give you back the time you wasted, I can only tell you that there are people out there that think it wasn't a waste.

>> No.2138546

>>2138544

I hope to gain the knowledge of the perspective of someone who thought the book was worthwhile and why they thought it such.

>> No.2138559

I think J.D. Salinger hated Caufield as much as I do.

>> No.2138562

in case lit doesn't know this. thr correctly translated title of "the foreigner" sheds some light on how the author considered the work.

>> No.2138563

>>2138559
I think hate and love are the same thing.

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>>2138563
so what's government?

>> No.2138573

>>2138563

if you don't think words mean the things that everyone else means when they use them then you are communicating in a mash of gobbeldygook. stop trying to sound deep by constructing mysterious sounding tangles of referents and say what you mean.

>> No.2138578

>>2138562

more like "The Outsider"

>> No.2138586

>>2138578

"The Foreigner" creates ambiguity about the title referrent. This is obvious in french.

>> No.2138584

Albie Camoo here. Y'all misinterpreting me. You make me sick. Just go and fucking kill yourselves already.

kthnxbai
p.s. I used to secretly teabag that geek Sartre while he was sleeping. LOL

>> No.2138592

>>2138586

Why does it need ambiguity?

>> No.2138596

>>2138592

So Camus could get interviewed and professorships and...do you even write?

>> No.2138598

>>2138572
The ideal other.

>> No.2138601

>>2138596

I would like to think that French Academia is not build on Obscurantism. It's a little fire I keep lit that evidence and logic keep trying to put out.

>> No.2138604

>>2138601

why privilege clarity

>> No.2138606

>>2138604

Because clarity is interchangeable with knowledge, which is the point of Academia.

Obscurity leads to the same place as throwing up your hands in the air and saying 'well fuck, I have no idea'.

>> No.2138610

>>2138606

And even if there were something be gained from deliberate obscurity (ala Derrida and deconstruction), how is 'gained' not 'gained through understanding', which is the opposite of obscurity?

>> No.2138612

>>2138606

you have mistaken a pursuit for a discovery

>> No.2138613

>>2138612

Is it just too ironic for you to actually offer anything but a blithe little catchphrase? Does it go against your very being to actually formulate something I can work with?

>> No.2138615

>>2138610

what is a "gain"? an accumulation, an accretion. you're trying to limn a mummified, inert knowledge rather than approach it in all its lambency

>> No.2138619

>>2138615

If that's satire, I applaud you

>> No.2138620

>>2138615
And you're trying to use words to describe something that is beyond such things.

>> No.2138621

>>2138620

If there were something capable of not being expressed with words, we would invent a word to do so

>> No.2138623

>>2138620

anon, meet language

language, anon

>> No.2138626

>>2138623
Right. Now present to me the language that describes the WHY. The BIG WHY.

>> No.2138630

>>2138626

Just because we do not have an answer, does not mean we are incapable of providing one

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Why didn't Meursault leave the pistol at the house if he didn't want to kill the Arab?

>> No.2138634

>>2138632

Cuz pied-noirs are never not heated

>> No.2138635

>>2138634
then why didn't Meursault say sorry to the arab if he didnt want to kill him.

>> No.2138640

>>2138635

>implying pied-noirs consider arabs human
>implying Mersault was sorry
>implying Mersault was sixth sense

>> No.2138645

>>2138640
But if Meurault wasn't sorry then why was his execution an unjust punishment?

>> No.2140580

Mersault is not a model for us to follow nor a caricature of absurdism.

We dislike him not because he is boring, dull, or useless but because although the points he makes are in a sense true we know it is all pretention- the only way to resolve his supposed idea that everything is meaningless would be for him to commit suicide- and he admits to being afraid of death.

Meursault is a character who feigns indifference to himself and others in order to protect himself from the pains and failures of life- he believes that if he tells himself always that he does not care, maybe this will actually become the case.

He detaches himself from his own experiences- he does not truly inhabit Mersault, but experiences life more as though he is watching Mersault on a movie screen- knowing that the movie will eventually end and be forgotten.

The oppressiveness expressed in his being out in the Sun is the sheer oppressiveness of inhabiting one's own self- of how open and vulnerable it is, how oppresive it is on the mind and on the spirit. Instead, Mersault prefers to be among the darkness and adopts a "philosophy" to rationalize his defeatist attitude.

tl;dr Mersault is a loser with incredibly sophisticated defense mechanisms.

>> No.2140596

>>2140580

Which finally crumbled when he gets trolled by a priest of all people.
Must have hurt knowing some arab was plowing his girl.

>> No.2140609

>>2140580
>>2140580

wha wha what if i'm merseault? i haven't read the stranger.
what are my options? do i really have to let a muslim bang my gf?

>> No.2140613

>>2140609
is this... a joke?
i don't understand.

>> No.2140636

>>2140580
>'we dislike Mersault'

Not necessarily.

>> No.2140644

I can recall someone theorizing that Mersault had Asperger's Syndrome.
All the greatest books are open to numerous interpretations, that what makes them so fucking great.

>> No.2140651

>>2140644
>Asperger's syndrome

Actually, that's what I thought Sartre's 'Nausea' was about.

>> No.2140657

>>2140636
let me rephrase then.

it is easy to dislike mersault...