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Michel Houellebecq on immigrants and assimilation:

>"In France, the most liked ethnic minority, by far, is Asian. It was also, for decades, the least assimilated, by far. I lived in Paris’s Chinatown for a long time. … In my building, almost no Chinese above 50 spoke any French. They had been here for 30 years, but they had never learned. They lived in a parallel world, with a parallel economy. To deal with administrative problems, one of them who spoke French would fill out forms for everyone else. There are still websites in Chinese, of which French people have no idea, where you can find roughly anything: electricians, taxi drivers, prostitutes… In short, they were in no way assimilated and yet everything went on superbly, for a single and very good reason: there were fewer Chinese criminals than French criminals of the same age. A lot fewer. I think that what the native French population wants is not for Muslims to assimilate, but for them to stop robbing and attacking them. In other words, that the level of violence go down, that they respect the law and people. Or, and that would be another good solution, that they leave.

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>>21358083
When and where did he write this?

Also as a halfie myself I'm curious what European Chinese are like lol. I've heard there are quite a large number in France and Italy.

>> No.21358143

>>21358083
hahaha

>> No.21358146

>>21358092
They are everywhere in Europe. Basicallt, the picture Houellebeqc paints is the same everywhere. Sometimes the second generation actually learns the language and sorta assimilates, but the chinese form their own underground society.

>> No.21358181

>>21358146
It's pretty based ngl.

I mean you see this pattern repeated with Lebanese, Gujurati Indians, and other 'merchant minorities' across the globe.

And in the end, they're all prosperous and thriving.

>> No.21358505

>>21358083
wow, very true
we dont care about chinese in australia (they make up the majority of the big cities) because theyre meek and dont commit violent crimes like africans do.
>you can find roughly anything: electricians, taxi drivers, prostitutes
haha, hes definitely had his fair share of chinese hookers, i have too, which is why i think everything he writes resonates with me

>> No.21358571

>>21358083
>for a single and very good reason: there were fewer Chinese criminals than French criminals of the same age
this might be in part true but i think hes overlooking another important factor. imo chinese people are so unassimilated that theyre not a threat to france's cultural fabric and nation-state idea. they don't act like french people, and they dont expect to be treated as french. they are basically like expats: they live in france but are so connected to their home country and so unassimilated that their impact on french culture is minimal. arabs on the other hand are in that weird middle zone where they are assimilated enough to be considered french and to request to be treated like french citizens, but unassimilated enough to not be considered 100% french culturally. This is why they are a threat to france's cultural fabric. chinese people arent part of frances cultural fabric. also theres like 10 times more arabs than chinese.

>> No.21358583

>>21358083
It's not just crime, Chinese are invisible.

>> No.21358594

>be jew
>want to de-stabilise a nation so you can make it easier to control
>know that arabs and africans are low IQ, and prone to violence
>import arabs and africans to france
>justify it by calling them 'asylum seekers'
>they dont respect france or its culture
>french people no longer have an identity
>they can no longer unite
>they no longer have collective buying power, they must buy from big corporations
>i can now control the market

>> No.21358606

>>21358594
What happens next in your fanfic

>> No.21358610

>>21358594
>Be french
>Brutally torture, rape, and kill every nigger, kike, and mudslime brownoid in the country
>Everything is fixed
>France becomes the greatest country in the world.

It's that easy.

>> No.21358660

>>21358610
u kid, but it's close
>kill the angloid pefidious albion who promotes in the first place the collapse of France

>> No.21358702

>>21358660
>perfidious albion
never fails to make me giggle
>t. perfidious anglo

>> No.21358769

>>21358594
>ITS A JUICE!
Of course, the fact that africa is poor, europe is rich and boats exist matters zero in your imagination, correct?

>> No.21358773

>>21358146
>>21358092
Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Cambodians and Vietnamese pretty much all follow the pattern Houellebecq describes. They set themselves as a ghetto, a large part of every subsequent generations remain in that ghetto, the first generations often do not learn the language (which is something which would normally send any Frenchman fucking mad), but since in the end they are quiet folks and don't disturb people and just go about their lives, honestly no one fucking cares. Add to this the benefit that it provides a pool of qt asian daughters to turn into sluts and hoes right at home, and you can see why Frenchmen are rather keen on them.
Indians, Pakis and other browner asians do not have the same attitude, and for the most part resent the fact that they don't get to play on the same economic field as us from the start, even tho it's literally the only reason why we would take them in the first place. If a Chinese calls me for a service at my job, and can barely speak French or English, and I ask him to repeat himself, 9 times out of 10 he'll meekly say he's sorry and will start over. And Indian will get angry, and won't understand why you are asking him to spell out Pathnampathsabaram Pemaruthambasan for the work order, he'll directly assume you are raycist and are trying to give him shit. They are like Muslims in that regard.

>> No.21358777

>asian culture is the least assimilated
>the durka durks burning down churches and shooting up comic shops? Classic French spirit!
Nigger-worshipping pseudointellectual

>> No.21358781

>>21358777
based trips and based retard

>> No.21358805

>>21358769
Ah yes, the boats. NTA, but have you seen what happens between Libya and Italy or Greece? They take the piece of shit "boats" out in the water, the "boat" start to sink because it is shit. They are then saved by some "humanitarian" group (most likely funded by Soros) and even if they are closer to the Libyan coast than the Italian coast they get shipped to Italy.
The groups are being supplied and enabled by someone. We both know.

>>21358777
Classic /lit/

>> No.21358825

>>21358083
Asian communities form parallel societies in every country they migrate to. I've seen it happen in Europe, North America, Africa and Australia.

>> No.21358830

>>21358083
>Open borders to Syrian Sunni radicals who were anti-Assad and even many proclaimed to be ISIS
>They and a bunch of Africans take advantage of the chaos
>Continue intervening in the region and aiding Israel during all of this.
>Act surprised when getting attacked by obvious savages your leaders opened the border too
I don't trust anything that comes out of a Judaized Euroshit's mouths. I can't tell if the attacks are worse or exaggerated. I have never visited Europe and don't care about their domestic problems from poor and easily avoidable actions. You're not receiving any sympathy from me, two-face duplicitous Frenchie.
Honestly, as time goes on, I start to think it's best Europe dies and another culture gets the spotlight, or at the very least, the entire world resets to pre-industrial times.
Houellebecq is a stupid coomer.
Ancient Germanic peoples collapsed the Roman empire in much the same manner, but one cannot hold it against the Germanic peoples since they were at war and opening the floodgates would obviously spell your doom.

>> No.21358836

>>21358769
Who supplies the boats? Isra-aid and Jewish run NGOs, or goy NGOs that believe in the ideology espoused by Jews such as Karl Popper, human traffickers who were able to gain power through wars supported by Zionists. Why can't European governments say no? Because of money coming from Jewish corporations and anti-white ideology coming from the Jewish media.

>> No.21358851

>>21358836
JOOS ARE BAD
JOOS ARE BAD
THEY MAKE ME FEEL MAD AND SAD

>> No.21358857

>>21358851
Stfu, k*ke.
Without Israel, there would have been no Migrant Crisis.
Jews are a metaphysical abomination.

>> No.21358887

>>21358830
Nafris are destroying the peace in France

>> No.21358931

>>21358887
Humanity as a whole is trash. Many ancient kingdoms have gone through civilizational collapse for one reason or another. Why should I feel more sympathy for the West? At the end of the day, I only care for my own neck.

>> No.21358936

>>21358805
>I-ITS A SOROS!
WHOA...
Since you're so well informed, check what % of immigrants come from the boats

Anyway, if you think that in the Year of the Lord 2022 there would be no emigration if it was not for the JUICE you are mentally ill, at least admit this.

>> No.21358941

>>21358857
>Without Israel, there would have been no Migrant Crisis.
kek he actually said that

>> No.21358956

>>21358857
ME NO LIKE JOO
ME NO LIKE JOO
THEY ARE VERY INFERIOR TOO

>> No.21358968

>>21358956
i say that

>> No.21358973

>>21358956
i don't say that, jews aren't inferior, they do logically need to be holocausted thoughever

>> No.21358976 [DELETED] 

>>21358973
JOOS ARE BAD
JOOS ARE BAD
THEY MAKE ME FEEL MAD AND SAD

>> No.21358979

>>21358083
>>21358773
It's exactly the same in any large city in America. And if you wind up working with these kinds of Asians they're very friendly and hard-working. They'll invite you to their parties and it's a great time.
Really I have nothing bad to say about them.

>> No.21358983

>>21358976
i say that

>> No.21358985

>>21358083
>Houellebecq
No one, and I mean no one, would give a single fuck about anything this guy has ever said if his surname wasn't this quirky abomination of letters.

>> No.21358986

>>21358181
>Lebanese
They've integrated well enough in Brazil (although they are the absolute majority of professional money launderers). No so much in Senegal.

>> No.21359058

>>21358825
All groups do this including whites.

>> No.21359061

>>21358986
That's because class is everything. Europe during the Migrant Crisis didn't bother filtering or selecting for anyone. It was probably done by Jews to both destabilize Europe and increase pro-war sentiment.

>> No.21359073

>>21359061
ME NO LIKE JOO
ME NO LIKE JOO
THEY ARE VERY INFERIOR TOO

>> No.21359083

>>21359073
unironically me

>> No.21359084

>>21359083
JOOS ARE BAD
JOOS ARE BAD
THEY MAKE ME FEEL MAD AND SAD

>> No.21359090
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>>21359084
yes

>> No.21359096

>>21359073
Kind of funny how you only care about how people perceive Jews and not other races. Good job in proving yourself to be a k*ke. Yes, I don't like Jews. The visiting FBI agents told me it's fine to be antisemitic so long as I never intend to actually attack a J*w. It's in my right to despise Jews, and I would love to watch films where Jewish children and women have their heads put on pikes.

>> No.21359107

>>21358851
>>21358936
>>21358956
>>21358976
>>21359073
>>21359084
Ok, we get it, you're with the IDF. Relax.

>> No.21359118

>>21358146
They aren't. Maybe in the few biggest western Europe countries in the urban areas. Not elsewhere.

>> No.21359128

>>21359096
ME NO LIKE JOO
ME NO LIKE JOO
THEY ARE VERY INFERIOR TOO

>> No.21359134

>>21359107
JOOS ARE BAD
JOOS ARE BAD
THEY MAKE ME FEEL MAD AND SAD

>> No.21359145

>>21358985
it's a pen name, you esteemed african gentleman

>> No.21359171

>>21358594
>be France
>brutally colonise Northern Africa for over two centuries
>loot their resources
>give no benefit back to the indigenous
>let the abos live in poverty and misery while labouring for French profits
>*you are all le French citizens now*
>give them independence cuz big daddy US told you
>let your corrupt corporations loot Africa now.
>*why are all these shitskins flooding my rich country*
>surprisedpikachuface.jpg

>> No.21359176

>>21358571
It’s a myth.

Chinese or Asians anywhere in the west only look like they keep to themselves because they retain Chinatowns everywhere but the only reason these Chinatowns exist is because they are continually replenished with new immigrants. The Asians who have been here long assimilated long ago, hey are doctors and they live in the suburbs.

>> No.21359184

>>21358083
Spot on lol

>> No.21359195

>>21359176
And yet these doctors still do not participate in any way with the surrounding culture. They buy things and lock themselves away in their houses.

>> No.21359225

>>21359195
Yes but this is true of Americans in general. This is the age of “bowling alone” and they do assimilate in the general sense of celebrating thanksgiving, Fourth of July, Christmas and all the American holidays. Their kids do the same things American kids do.

>> No.21359249

>>21358083
Any reason why I should care?

>> No.21359260

>>21359107
>I-ITS THE IDF!!
That's the max depth of thought you can achieve? Holy retard
No, fuck the occupation entity, fuck zionazism, fuck zelensky

>> No.21359262

>>21359176
>>21359225
I think people should be judged based on stringent metrics like their Goodreads account, academic accomplishments, weltanschauung, and so on. I don't think it's bad to reduce people into numbers in the modern age. This is because too many people are shallow and retarded, and they're better off culled.
Reading one classic already puts you above the insipid masses, but that's not much of an accomplishment. 90% of mankind is trash irrespective of race.
In some ways, I do sympathize with the desire to chip people, but this chip should come with a "worthiness" gauge based on the richness of someone's mind and metacognitive awareness.

>> No.21359267

>>21359171
>>give them independence cuz big daddy US told you
???

>> No.21359275

When I want to judge to quality of an individual, I don't ask for race. I ask for a list of goals in life, favorite novels, favorite films, vision, and so on. People should be judged as individuals based on their actual dispositions. If I see someone list shitty books or films as their favorites, then I know they're worth less than trash.

>> No.21359282

>>21359275
I look at their overall fuckability. We should only import sexy people to our country

>> No.21359288

>>21359282
Spoken like a true nigg*r. *You* have absolutely no cultural continuity to your past cultural greats. People should be judged based on stringent standards. Such standards should be treated as inviolable, especially in an age where there are too many human beings. Degenerates like you, who waste time fucking around like bonobos and simping for Instathots, do not deserve to exist.

>> No.21359293

>>21359288
>cuhms
Oooahahaahugggh mE want fucky hahaha fucking WHORE

>> No.21359297

>>21358083
>I think that what the native French population wants is not for Muslims to assimilate, but for them to stop robbing and attacking them. In other words, that the level of violence go down, that they respect the law and people. Or, and that would be another good solution, that they leave.
Wow so transgresive, so insightful.

>> No.21359316

>>21359118
I live in a small rural town in the middle of nowhere and there's like 4-5 chinese owned business here. I've seen chinese people literaly everywhere I've been, no matter how small and out of nowhere it was.

>> No.21359377

>>21359316
What country?

>> No.21359389

i aint no houellebecq girl, i aint no houellebecq girl

>> No.21359409

>>21358083
so people live together better when each group shuts up and keeps to themselves, even in close quarters. this isn't really a novel idea.

>> No.21359427

>>21359409
or, at least, some cultures are more resilient to (and less destructive to) environmental shifts

>> No.21359428

>>21359377
China

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everyone loves orientals to be honest my familia

>> No.21359447

>>21358781
>>21358805
But I'm (>>21358777) right. Houllebecq refuses to acknowledge that the asian population being completely unassimilated is also inherently a problem. Recognizing that muzzies are fucking criminals is an attempt to steer the conversation away from fundamental culture and towards externalities like criminal behavior which the French are never going to fix, because to do so would require invading the mosques and rewriting the basic cultural rules of these 'people'. Its misdirection into a subject that's still some deal socially acceptable while addressing enough of the symptoms of mass immigration to feel 'dangerous' to modern audiences.

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>>21359439
I love them

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>>21359447
I see your point but over the course of generations they will merge with the native populace because oriental girls were built for BWC

>> No.21359502

>>21359476
>over the course of generations
If they cease importing them, and if the non-assimilating population isn't large enough and inclined enough to self-sustain as a separate cultural enclave.

>> No.21359505

>>21359476
milkeeeers

>> No.21359517

>>21359377
Spain

>> No.21359519

>>21358083
My experience as a German has been:
Vietnamese people lead their own lives and only interact with the populace in form of fruit and veggie shops or Asia bistros. When they are involved in crime they are more often than not dealing in human trafficking and general smuggling of goods. They also seem rather liberal on returning the exact amount of change..

However, they definitely do not make a fuss and while the older generation has almost no ability to speak German the younger generation does not just speak perfect German but also does exceptionally well in the education system and is quite well integrated into general society. They are definitely on some lonesome stand-off track when interacting but in general my experience with them has been almost entirely positive.

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>>21358857
>Without Israel, there would have been no Migrant Crisis.

>> No.21359542

>>21359519
Also some of those grills are definitely premium-tier imports. There is a slightly taller than average one at work that wears a high-ponytail and relatively short skirt; she practically dances across the floor but does so with such female grace and her ponytail bouncing around gives the image a cute and almost innocent look. Whenever she walks past me my brain switches to some animalistic mating press mode.

>> No.21359572

>>21358571
>also theres like 10 times more arabs than chinese.
I think that's the crux of it.
Kinda like how the NSDAP in Germany never really gave a shit about blacks and decided to just sterilize the half-black kids in the Rhineland, as opposed to gassing them or going full murder mode. Blacks in Europe in the 1930s just weren't a thing in the national discourse, so even the most radical racists jist kind of shrugged at the question.

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>>21359288
>*You* have absolutely no cultural continuity to your past cultural greats.
Frenchmen lusting after exotic women is peak French culture tho.

>> No.21359714

>>21359572
>Blacks in Europe in the 1930s just weren't a thing in the national discourse, so even the most radical racists jist kind of shrugged at the question.
Hitler did say that there were too many of them, they also made posters about it.
I can't really imagine a real number, I'll take a wild guess and say there were less than 100k throughout Europe (Italy and UK included)

>> No.21359791

As Schopenhauer said, "If other parts of the world have their monkeys, in Europe, we have French people. It makes it even."

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>>21359542
>>21359519
Based and truthpilled, vietnamese-based hapas are insanely lustful.

>> No.21359812

>>21359128
you would think acting so silly would get tiring.
if you want to stop having a pavlovian reaction to forum posts, imagine everytime someone says The Jews, they mean the unholy cartel of bankers and international organizations that happen to be about half and half non-jewish white/ashkenazi jew

>> No.21359828

>>21359476
I don't want them in the populace.

>> No.21359867

>>21359798
name?

>> No.21359877

>>21359867
Junoave2

>> No.21359953

>>21358083
"Assimilation" in the shitlib sense of everyone being mashed together is a very recent phenomenon, it didn't exist in the past. Historically people in such "multicultural" milieus always segregated themselves into religious/ethnic ghettos. Like in Jerusalem, you had an armenian quarter, a jewish quarter, a muzzie quarter, etc.

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>>21359262
Xi liked this post

>> No.21360092

>>21359953
Wrong, look up sir Henry Sumner James Ancient Laws, his account of "tribal" adoption. Human migration and integration was often ritually solved early on, so that weaker cultures assimilated themselves as part of stronger ones if they had some commonalities, such as language, religion or even just looks.

>> No.21360486

>>21358769
And who brainwashes the public into accepting them with diversity is our strength propaganda? Who controls the media response to what's happening and how it's reported on?

>> No.21360490

>>21358941
Libya and Syria spring to mind.

>> No.21360520

>>21360486
JOOS ARE BAD
JOOS ARE BAD
THEY MAKE ME FEEL MAD AND SAD

>> No.21360580

>>21360490
Africans don't really pass through Syria to get to Europe, do they?
The number of Lybians in Europe is largely irrelevant compared to every other single nafri country
Moreover, the Lybians are actually getting paid to keep immigrants out of Europe
So what exactly is your point?
>brainwashes the public into accepting them
They're literally just people

>> No.21360589

>>21360486
>And who brainwashes the public into accepting them with diversity is our strength propaganda?
Anglos?

>> No.21360593

>>21360580
>theyre literally just people
They're very different in many ways and it's disastrous for European countries/cities in particular to have populations of such massive scale. In the UK its over 30% of babies at this point. This has been done on purpose along with propaganda campaigns designed to get westerners to hate themselves so the social fabric of their nations can be forever altered in sharply negative ways.

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>>21360580
>w-w-why would you mention Syria
Are you going to be capable of actually having a discussion in reasonably good faith? Do you not remember when this happened?
>israeo-US coalition to depose Assad
Do you not remember?

>> No.21360611

>>21360593
>This has been done on purpose
This 1) is unprovable 2) takes into zero consideration the fact that we are in an era when fucking spaceships exist. People WILL move from an area lacking resources to an area with more resources - even fucking ants do, why do you think it's different for humans?

>> No.21360627

>>21360604
>w-w-why would you mention Syria
Who are you quoting here?
>Do you not remember?
You say this as if there were no immigrants before the Syrian civil war - as if (You) weren't already complaining about immigrants before it

>> No.21360630

>>21360611
>this is unprovable
No, it's the social policy of our "world leader" mafia, and has been presented as a fundamental goal over and over again.
>people WILL move from an area lacking resources to an area with more resources
So why doesn't Japan or Singapore struggle with 10% Muslim populations?
>geographical closeness
Refuse to take even a single boat. Done.

>> No.21360631

>>21360611
We have always had human migration and assimilation. Only before there was an organic process and not some soulless bureaucracy involved.

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>>21358857
israel is fucked too, ultraorthodox jews are basically worse than muslims from zionist perspective

>> No.21360639

>>21360627
I'm not saying that I'm saying it's one of the examples that immediately comes to mind when describing Israel's role in the massive influx of these "immigrants."

I dont have an issue with Chinese people but there are nearly 2 billion of them and only 36 million or so Canadians. The notion that we can absorb millions upon millions of Chinese immigrants with no cost to our culture is totally absurd. What if 90 million Chinese people wanted to move here? You think that's fine because they're "just people?"

>> No.21360643

>>21360631
Has never been done on this scale
>>21360611
Also
>unprovable
See U.S. immigration act which, over the course of 60 years transformed the nation from over 90% white to over 60% white. Done on purpose. Being done on purpose everywhere where white people are affluent and exclusively done there.

>> No.21360647

>>21360490
Syrians aren't asylum seekers but fighting age men who deserted there country. It's almost a general rule for migrants to come from countries that are not at war but just poor. This makes the style of immigration absolutely retarded. If it was purely economics then it would quickly mirror the society of Gulf Arab countries with rotating migrant worker visas. The whole issue stems from mix of guilt tripping Euros and teaching brownoids to be helpless always.

>> No.21360653

>>21360639
Yes it’s fine. You have to get used to it. The west is not going to be majority white in the future. Even within a hundred years. The future for the west is multiracial and multicultural.

And mixed race. Your children might be white but your grandchildren will almost certainly be mulatto. And that’s a good thing.

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>>21358083
I hate the frogs. I want to see a Muslim France like in Submission. Heads rolling down after being cut is a very French image. Only this time it will be the heads of the infidels rather than of the monarchs. Inshallah.

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>>21360659
Fuck off goddam algerian.

>> No.21360674

>>21358505
I suppose the difference is that assimilating to French culture is substantially more difficult than assimilating to the American style culture of a backwater like Australia.

>> No.21360679

>>21360653
We'll see.

>> No.21360685

>>21360647
It's not retarded or not retarded, it's simply the plan, as this guy points out
>>21360653
It isn't being done for the benefit of anyone but for the destruction of these nations. The wrong side won the world war and we are now seeing the results of anglo/kike global power.

>> No.21360697

>>21360653
Mulattoes are uglier than blacks. It's a step backwards.

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>>21360653
>its simultaneously a crazy conspiracy theory and also a good thing and your racist for complaining about it

>> No.21360719
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>>21358083
I love seeing weak Europeans being passive-aggressive about their inevitable replacement. It's kind of cute.

>> No.21360822

>>21360719
>inevitable replacement
Won't happen.

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>>21360653
based and redpilled

>> No.21362036

>>21360639
>What if [totally unrealistic scenario]
Why would 5% of the Chinese population decide to immigrante in Canada (of all places) at the same time?
>with no cost to our culture is totally absurd
What culture? Canada is a baby nation, it was made by immigrants.
>>21360643
>See U.S. immigration act which, over the course of 60 years transformed the nation from over 90% white to over 60% white.
>Done on purpose
Of course, biological considerations on how populations evolve (--->less mortality that with time becomes less natality) has 0 weight in your mind, right?
>Being done on purpose everywhere where white people are affluent and exclusively done there.
Yeah, why don't nigerians or peruvians immigrate in a poorer country? Must be a conspiracy