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>read the odyssey
>really enjoy it, narrative is interesting and mentally stimulating
>get the iliad
>"and then dudius killed rius, and sisius, rius' friend, then skewers dudius out of rage, and then he killed lilius, pronticus, filius, and dornatus"
does it get any better? i'm on book 6 and book 1 is the only one i can say i enjoyed

>> No.21352767

pagans are retards

>> No.21352773

>>21352753
Well, yes, the last act is much more dramatic in many ways, but if you aren't invested at the point you're at, you probably won't care anyway.

>> No.21352802

i would read hamlet but i literally lost that one lol

>> No.21352810

>>21352802
wait nvm just found it

>> No.21352831

>>21352753
Read Books IX and XXIV. Faggot.

>> No.21352852

It's a common feature of histories that in battles a realistically high number of people are killed. It's not like modern goy literature where a battle has only a single tokenistic casualty.

It's also very important in narratives of that era to positively establish who dies, to preclude confusion about who's children were who's.

Remember every family at this time would proudly trace their origins to a named figure in history, it's culturally important to limit the number of families who might claim descent from the same figure to stop contemporary issues relating to familial relation.

It seems clear to me that you have not been grounded in the features of a history. Would you mock the chorus sections of a comedy? Or the preable to a sci-fi?
These are structural elements not creative ones

>> No.21352899

>>21352852
and why should i care?

>> No.21353125

>>21352767
They really are.

>> No.21353149

>>21352753
The this a clear larp. If you were really bothered by the repetition you would've been filtered by chapter 2.

>> No.21353154

>>21352753
>read
It's supposed to be declaimed

>> No.21353160

>>21352899
>reads Iliad
>why should I care about it?
there's been an influx of genuine retards on /lit/ lately and it's hilarious

>> No.21353928

>>21352753
>reads odyssey before iliad

>> No.21354034

>>21352753
You're reading it wrong. Even reading a decent verse translation like Chapman or Lattimore you should find yourself being moved to tears often. Breathe life into the words. Read it aloud with some gusto. If you can't find the beauty in Homer I truly pity you.

>> No.21354064

>>21352767
Fpbp

>> No.21354105

>>21353928
?

>> No.21354123

I thought the Iliad was better. Better fight scenes, better inter-personal drama, better interaction with the gods. Odyssey was like oh you liked clever Odysseus? Okay, here's a story about how he's great and everyone loves him but he keeps getting put in tough situations that basically only he survives because everyone else is stupid, then he gets home and his wife is like super faithful bro and he slaughters all the suitors and then he rides off into the sunset to live forever(?) in like Africa or some shit.

Not that the Odyssey isn't also really good but I liked Iliad better, and didn't like the Aeneid much at all even though I'm more of a Romaboo than a Helleneboo.

>> No.21354131

>>21352753
odyssey is fiction. illiad is historical.

>> No.21354152

>>21354131
>you WILL NOT believe in Cyclopes
>you WILL NOT believe in nymphs
>you WILL NOT believe in a 6 headed demon who guards a pass between two rocks

>> No.21354163

>>21354152
Fuck you you're not the boss of me. I DO want to fuck Circe.

>> No.21354164

>>21354152
it's clear that they weren't even written by the same person. "homer" is a pen name.

>> No.21354252

>>21352753
This is unironically the best part of reading the Iliad

>> No.21354281

I read book I, XXII and XI in Greek so far and greatly enjoyed it, fuck you κυνῶπα

>> No.21354298

>>21354152
>you WILL NOT have a crazy nymphomaniac menead gf

>> No.21354494

>>21352753
>mentally stimulating
You people sound like a bunch of homos.

>> No.21354971

>>21354494
Autism, truly

>> No.21354997

>>21353149
I’ve never met a woman who enjoyed the Iliad

>> No.21355017
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21355017

I'am going to ask hear because fuck making another thread, i finished the The Illiad and The Odyssey(Fitzgerald) translation and now i'am looking for more ancient greek stuff, epic poems, tragedies and comedies. I realize most of them are lost and we don't have many on text i just wanted to ask if pic related is a good way to go about and if someone would add anything else or perhaps suggest a different translation to what is given. Also i had the exact opposite problem to op's. The Illiad was so much more interesting to me as it had no boring moments and the driving force of the whole story is given to us right away. Outside of a few chapters like 'A gathering of shades' most of the Odyssey seemed very uninteresting especially the chapters focusing on Telemachos who is a complete non-character.

>> No.21355030

Start reading a life from Plutarch every day, a life from Diogenes Laertius every day (later pad it out with Philostratus and Eunapius), a Greek play every day, and a book or # of pages from a major historian Greek/Roman historian every day

Torrent Kenneth Harl's TTC courses on Greek and Roman history

Search Donald Kagan Yale Greek course

Read Bury/Meiggs History of Greece to the Death of Alexander, then read From Alexander to Actium

Be kalos k'agathos in one year

>> No.21355032

>>21355030
Meant for >>21355017

>> No.21355054

>>21355030
And what's the best collection of the greek plays?

>> No.21355708

>>21354971
That’s all of 4chan