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[Anonymous No.21351757]

What does it mean to be Faustian man?
and what are the characteristics of other high cultures like Russian, Magian, Chinese, Indian, Egyptian, Azteca and Classical?

[Anonymous No.21351816]

Why don't you read the fucking book and find out

[Anonymous No.21351827]

>>21351757
essentially, it means being a tranny. trans-bodies and trans-identities are the explorers of post-modernity.

[Anonymous No.21352155]

There are various ideas about the "nature" of man, and various schools of philosophy stem from these. You might call these schools naturalist.

One of the oldest is man as a hedon, putting the persuit of pleasure at the core of man. Freud, malthus, Rousseau, all the gay Jewish globalist come from this school.

There's man as a social creature, described variously but revolving around duty, normative ethics, prestige.

The man of Faust is a man who struggles for beauty, which is really religious naturalism.
Man is motivated individually rather than socially, is above the primary needs of animals, but seeks to embody the spiritual form of nature.
A dog who seeks to embody the wolf.
This became prominent around the time of Nietzsche who described man balancing between spiritual enlightenment and synergy with nature.

[Anonymous No.21352927]

>>21352155
tell me more about Faust.
why is he struggle for beauty instead of ambition?

[Anonymous No.21352928]

>>21351757
It means holding women as your equals, if not your superiors.

[Anonymous No.21353036]

>>21351816
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.21353066]

>>21351757
Why don't you read the fucking book and find out

[Anonymous No.21353301]

>>21351757
There is a chart in the book that explains every one of those in 2-3 sentences. As far as faustian, it means to "look farther into the horizon and go there".

[Anonymous No.21353325]

>>21351757
>because it's possible and because we are able
Strength is excess, surplus to bare life. The notion of hairless apes achieving flight is unreasonable, yet this animal did it anyways. "We go to the moon, not because it is easy, but because it is HARD ..." Space colonization is necessary in an abstract way (the sun will eventually engulf us, or some Atlantis sinking comet strike eventually), but fundamentally we know it is and will be technically achievable, and we WANT to see what's out there, completely stripped of the conditions of this oversized terrarium's limits. If this is the Garden, out there is the City of God. We're coming, invited or not.

[Anonymous No.21353542]

>>21353301
>As far as faustian, it means to "look farther into the horizon and go there".
Literally transgender and transhumanism.

[Anonymous No.21353916]

>>21353542
can you fucking stop bringing transgener in every fucking conversations

[Anonymous No.21353943]

It means simply to become corrupted and seek out redemption.

[Anonymous No.21353948]

>>21353916
Time is moving forward and reactionaries can't stop it, you can just seethe impotently and watch while life forms keep evolving.

[Anonymous No.21354304]

>>21352155
>a dog who seeks to become a wolf
>Just slaughter people who did nothing to you and enslave their children. That's what beauty is.
>you can't have beautiful things unless you're a bloodthirsty psychopath that does away with things like 'having a conscience'. Just embrace being a demon.
you people are so boring. Get a real hobby and leave people alone.

[Anonymous No.21354321]

sex gifs

[Anonymous No.21354361]

>>21354321
yes

[Anonymous No.21354393]

>>21352927
a lot of loyalty for a /pol/ chud

[Anonymous No.21354554]

>>21353542
Those things are both rooted in fear and slave morality, the unwillingness to face even the idea of a horizon. It's anything but attempting to transcend it.
kys bunkertranny

[Anonymous No.21354714]

I wish there was an English translation of Spenglers final work on prehistory and the foundation of civilizations. Apparently he "revised" everything from Decline so we're working with an incomplete thesis.

[Anonymous No.21354730]

>>21354554
cope, nietzschean transspenglerism is a thing

[Anonymous No.21355449]

>>21353542
Yes? Transhumanism is the eventual conclusion of the faustian spirit. There's a reason why it takes it's name from Faust.

[Anonymous No.21355557]

>>21354714
wait really.
thought Man and Technic was the last book he written, there’s more?

[Anonymous No.21355675]

>>21354714
Yeah it was going to be called "The Epic Of Man" and the prehistoric part was "The Early Period of World History" and it apparently rendered Decline "Non-Cannon".

https://counter-currents.com/2010/09/atlantis-kush-turan-1/

[Anonymous No.21355692]

>>21351816
What book would that be?

[Anonymous No.21355767]

>>21351757
sex gifs

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[Anonymous No.21356008]

I hope these images help answer some of your question, OP.

[Anonymous No.21356025]

>>21355962
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>>21356008
this is actually really helpful.

[Anonymous No.21356537]

>>21355692
What else could it be?

[Anonymous No.21356656]

>>21351757
sex gifs

[Anonymous No.21357503]

>>21351757
It means to be obsessed with development.

First toward onself
Then toward one person (love)
And then toward the World (praxis)

but it is a drive that is unquenchable

[Anonymous No.21357511]

>>21351757
to be a faustian *person* in the 21st century means respecting trans identities, genderqueer folx, and BIPOC and also decolonising your space, and deconstructing the patriarchial white supremacist systems of power
>t. has read his complete works

[Anonymous No.21358271]

>>21357511
This is in line with the Faustian spirit, but I think the caesarist populist movements of this century will mostly react against it. It is after all a product of urban money-think and the institutional forms of government that caesarism always acts in opposition to.

[Anonymous No.21358438]

>>21355962
Source on images and source on Sumerian prime symbol? I don't recall Spengler ever saying that

[Anonymous No.21358473]

>>21357511
Clearly haven't understood him at all then. The Faustian striving for infinity ≠ transgression of boundaries. The cultural malaise that typifies woke shit is the period of Skepticism that arises as a Culture turns inward prior to Civilization. It is inherently Faustian but it is an inversion of that spirit

[Anonymous No.21358725]

>>21358473
How is it an inversion of that spirit and not a natural direction of it

[Anonymous No.21359494]

>>21355962
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>>21356008
source??? looks very schizo

[Anonymous No.21359613]

>>21358473
Wokeism is absolutely Faustian, it's the charting of values in space.

>>21358271
Caesar in Spengler's thought takes the decay of his time and makes it official by baptizing it in tradition. Faustian Caesar will declare that Rabbi Yeshua was a woke brown trans refugee womxn of coloxr, and that we should all attend church to pray for Israel.

[Anonymous No.21360088]

>>21359494
I just saved these images from this place, iirc. But they’re accurate to Spengler’s model. He believed each civilisation together with its people had their own a priori lens through which they perceived the world. I’m inclined to believe this. It’s been found that certain optical illusions do not affect some people depending on their culture, for example.

[Anonymous No.21360134]

>>21359613
Do you not recognise that wokism is totally bourgeois? It’s popular among the university educated and upper middle classes, but the poorer lefty voters in the cities are voting because woke policies advantage them, not because they’re concerned with some divine idea of white atonement or LGBTQ soul displacement. Caesarism is as much about the proletariat as it is about the totalitarian Caesar. When I look at America, I perceive the proletariat as the fundamentalist Christians and mostly right wing construction workers. Is the American populist right not decadent in itself? It’s totally irrational much as the precultural Christianity of the Frankish peasants. Wokism is likewise irrational but ultimately bourgeois and perpetuated by oligarchs who don’t identify themselves with the people they serve.

[Anonymous No.21360153]

>>21353948
Ah yes, axe wounds. Evolution

[Anonymous No.21360192]

>>21355994
>Puritanism. Rationalistic-mystic Impoverishment of Religion.
>Port Royal
Huh? What does piracy have to do with this?

[Anonymous No.21360228]

>>21360192
Port royal was a hub for Jansenism, iirc.

[Anonymous No.21360279]

>>21360228
Ah ye I did a more googling and found out about Port-Royal-des-Champs, nothing to do with the pirate city

[Anonymous No.21360655]

>>21355976
why is the Russian High Culture the only one to not being discussing alot? Spengler talk about Russian High Culture as some sort of "Infinite flatland" as their prime number which is linked to the geography of russia but I still don't know much about it.

[Anonymous No.21360736]

>>21360655
Besides being vast, the horizontal plane is also identified by togetherness, gravity, and rootedness. The flat land you speak of in the mind of the Russians is one that lacks any disjointedness. It isn't separated into fragments, but completely connected. They view themselves socially in this way, too. The gravity I spoke of implies a return to a grounded level, and the rootedness I spoke of is this abstract idea of the source. They view themselves as being bound to a single vast source that permeates through the entire Russian civilisation. The most evident example of this to the Western mind is Russia's military culture which has established itself in our popculture as a Russian stereotype. Orthodox Russian Christianity and Dugin's Eurasianism are also signs of this coming into form. Likewise, nationalistic projects like the Cathedral of the Armed Forces and the Magic World theme park are examples of this, too; if you look at Russian cathedral, they leave the impression of sitting upon a horizon. This sense of a vast and rooted Russian identity is evident in their literature, too. Crime and Punishment ends with Raskolnikov prostrating himself before his fellow Slavs in St Petersburg and the Brothers Karamazov ends where they join in brotherhood shouting, "Hurrah for Karamazov!" To the Russian man, without the community, its as if he as a person doesn't exist. The community supports his conception of his own identity. He sees the community as an extension of himself whereas to the Western man the self is completely independent and takes priority.

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[Anonymous No.21360805]

>>21360736
so russian are collectivist, bound to the land that are all connected.
>Orthodox Russian Christianity and Dugin's Eurasianism
I'm not Russian or Faustian by anymean but I always knew Eurasianism might actually be one of the most recognizable form of what might becoming of Russian High Culture but Orthodox Christianity???? I don't see the connection toward it. Christianity is from Magian civilization that still hold power over most of the continent mainly Europe and Russia which I don't think it's the true spiritul religion for them.
If Faustian man is to go to space and conquer inifinite then Russian man want to conquer the world and infinite landmass I suppose.

[Anonymous No.21360831]

>>21360805
The Orthodox Christianity of the Magian civilisation is not the Orthodox Christianity of the Russian civilisation. In recent times, the Russian government is using it as a nationalistic tool. It is central to the Russian identity, even going so far as to merge it as part of their military identity as a motive for the Ukraine war against the secular individualist West. It's still coming into form, but I believe Russian Orthodoxy will develop into its own form of Christianity as the West had with Pritestantism and its variants.

[Anonymous No.21360844]

>>21360831
>implying Orthodoxy hasn't already developed into its own form of Christianity

[Anonymous No.21360855]

>>21360844
Of course it has, but I don't believe this development is complete. Russia is yet o enter its rationalistic summer and autumn periods, which will push the development of its form of Christianity.

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>>21355557
His last book is The Hour of Decision, and it is very good. He's also got a lot of smaller works, essays and such,

[Anonymous No.21360902]

>>21352927
Hehe

[Anonymous No.21360948]

>>21360805
>not Faustian
Where are you from?

[Anonymous No.21360962]

>>21351816
Fobp

[Anonymous No.21361259]

>>21360948
somewhere between Indian and Chinese high cultures

[Anonymous No.21361322]

>>21361259
Do you see yourself as perceiving the world through the prime symbol of the dao or illusion? I'm curious, although I probably won't be able to comment on much.

[Anonymous No.21361338]

>>21361322
main religion in this religion here is Theravada buddhism so I guess I will go with illusion.

[Anonymous No.21361351]

>>21351757
What did Spengler think of central/eastern (non-russian, balkans included) europe? Not a whole lot, I imagine, but still.

[Anonymous No.21361371]

>>21361338
*region

[Anonymous No.21361397]

>>21361351
Balkans is Magean, although it's in the process of being Faustianized.

[Anonymous No.21361410]

>>21361397
>Balkans is Magean
Wouldn't that only apply to islamized areas like bosnia and some parts of albania?

[Anonymous No.21361411]

>>21361397
NTA but I think it's more complicated than that. Slovenia for instance is Balkan but have pretty much always existed as just Slavs in a part of Austria. Croats are similar but with intermittent Turkic occupations
Greece is Greece
Bulgaria is the origin point of things we consider fundamentally Russian (Cyrillic, Orthodoxy) in Eastern Europe
I could go on
Did Spengler himself consider Balkans Magean?
To me they're clearly just the borderlands of Faustian, Russian, and Magean (Turks)

[Anonymous No.21361416]

>>21361411
Also I will say I don't know much about Spenglerism or his civilizational types, just going off intuition here for fun/learning

[Anonymous No.21361436]

>>21361397
I personally view them to be mostly Russian with some influence of Fuastian in there. I haven't considered the Magean aspect of the balkan into it yet, I always thought it was just Pseudomorphosis

[Anonymous No.21361452]

>>21361436
Is it really Russian when until very recently the similarities stemmed from their shared byzantine heritage rather than actual russian influence?

[Anonymous No.21361454]

>>21361410
I should have been more specific. The areas which are catholic and have historically been more tied to western Europe, like Croatia, Slovenia, and Hungary are Faustian. However, Eastern Orthodoxy (with the exception of Russian Orthodoxy) along with Islam is Magian. During Spengler's time places like Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania would definitely be Magian, but IMO with this region's integration into the EU and NATO, which are organs of the Faustian Imperium, that region is becoming westernized.

[Anonymous No.21361456]

>>21352928
YNBAW

[Anonymous No.21361462]

>>21361454
How about the e.g. Catholic areas in places like Bosnia?
That country is such an interesting clusterfuck

[Anonymous No.21361512]

>>21361452
I mean, for a long time they were under control of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. I believe that they are composed of both Faustian and Russian people to varying degrees. The palace of culture and science in Poland shares the same style as Moscow State University, for example; both of which have the impression of a set of human bodies tightly-knit together, and although they're tall buildings they seek to encompass the ground. All over Eastern Europe you can also see town squares more wide and open than their Western counterparts. They also seem to lack the liberal ways of thinking that we have in the West. Or at least they have it to a much lesser extent. Most of all they lack the more ridiculously rational ways of thinking typical of a culture in its winter.

[Anonymous No.21361587]

>>21351757
At it's core to be Faustian simply means to value your "work" above all else and at all costs
That's the way I would put it not necessarily the way Spengler would put it

[Anonymous No.21361666]

>>21360655
Nice dubs. I guess because Russia's cultural forms are yet undeveloped.

[Anonymous No.21361837]

>>21351757
Spengler bros, I used to doubt of him, but so many Caesar-men are appearing lately that I must admit he was a prophet. Please, forgive me.

[Anonymous No.21362074]

>>21353542
Yes. Only western scientism can give the ability to be trans. That doesn't mean the civilization is about being trans.

[Anonymous No.21362085]

>>21361837
Literally where?

[Anonymous No.21362125]

>>21351757
He's literally me

[Anonymous No.21362178]

>>21360831
The first part of Solovyev's Russia and the Universal Church is a good read about this

[Anonymous No.21362361]

>>21352155
So meaningless ego stroking, thank you for explaining

[Anonymous No.21363528]

>>21361512
I thought that building was made for Poland by their friend Stalin. And it isn't especially well liked.

[Anonymous No.21363567]

>>21353542
He said horizon, not abyss.

[Anonymous No.21364167]

>>21363528
I did say that Eastern Europe is composed of both Faustian and Russian people. Several centuries from now it is possible that Western Europe will share the fate of the Eastern Roman Empire and be subsumed into Russian civilisation, as what happened with Eastern Rome into Magian civilisation. But the emergence of some Russian cultural forms in places outside of the homeland they came from are first signs of this occurring. The early Christians weren’t well-liked either, but Greece was one of the places where the religion first started to spread.

[Anonymous No.21364550]

>>21363567
wise

[Anonymous No.21365187]

>>21353066
what does "Faustian" even mean? is it to do with the book "Faust"?

[Anonymous No.21365219]

>>21365187
it has to do with the character of Faust iirc.

[Anonymous No.21365344]

>>21365187
Faust sought out forbidden knowledge for personal gain, and this resulted in the ultimate destruction of himself and those around him.
Faustian man persues boundless knowledge and will break every taboo in search of greater power. Ultimately, like Faust, he will fail in surpassing every conceivable limit. Spengler believed this inevitable downfall would be spectacular and catastrophic, just like Faust's.

[Anonymous No.21365538]

>>21365344
Child trannies are the perfect example of this.

[Anonymous No.21365694]

>>21365538
It is. Faustian man has traveled to the moon, split the atom, eradicated smallpox, and made the entire collection of human knowledge available in a handheld device, so why can't he become a woman? Surely, any biological barriers can be surpassed by science and willpower. Any ethical barriers have been sacrificed at the altar of progress long ago.