Non-Binary Lit General

[Anonymous No.21347599]

I am especially interested book recs on the philosophy of NB

No matter how interesting it may be, let's avoid off-topic discussion - discussion unrelated to books.

[Anonymous No.21347608]

>>21347599
Just read wattpad fanfics and take a cocktail of psychotropics, you fucking freak

[Anonymous No.21347609]

>>21347599
Fuck of troon.

[Anonymous No.21347611]

>>21347608
This kys

[Anonymous No.21347647]

>>21347608
At least mentions reading

>>21347609
>>21347611
Totally off topic

[Anonymous No.21347718]

>>21347599
Does anyone here know if J. Butler actually describ enbies? where and if it's good?

[Anonymous No.21347748]

>>21347647
Quite wrong, the Bible is the foremost book rec concerning transgenderism. You just dont like its conclusions.

[Anonymous No.21347775]

>>21347748
>Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

[Anonymous No.21347780]

>>21347599
guenon and shakara write about brahman being non-binary

[Anonymous No.21347791]

>>21347775
> Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
Matthew 7:19-23

[Anonymous No.21347816]

>>21347791
The contrast between good fruit and bad fruit comes up again and again in the bible, the image is about sowing and reaping. For reference:
>James 3:17-18 - 17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.

Don't see how this relates to enbies.

[Anonymous No.21347839]

>>21347791
Btw the bible references I can find affirming enbies:

>There are several characters in the Bible who were non-gender-conforming, meaning that they did not behave according to traditional gender roles, or that they were not physically typical of men or women. [4]

>Jacob preferred to be with his mother at home, enjoyed cooking and was smooth-skinned, in contrast to his brother, who was hairy and preferred to hunt and be outdoors. (Genesis 25)

>Joseph, Jacob’s son, was given an “ornate robe” by his father (Genesis 37:3); the Hebrew word used here for the robe (ketonet passim) is used elsewhere to mean “the kind of garment the virgin daughters of the king wore” (2 Samuel 13:18).

>Deborah (Judges 4-5) was a judge of Israel, acting as a prophet and military leader at a time when women were treated like property and valued by the number of children they could bear.

>Hegai, the eunuch in charge of the palace women in the story of Esther, helped Esther to become queen. Ebed-Melech also was a eunuch, who saved the life of the prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 38).

>The man carrying a water jar, whom Jesus indicated would take the disciples to the room for his last supper, was doing work that was normally done by women, and yet was given this part to play in Jesus’ ministry (Luke 22:10).

Are we done with talking about the bible now?

[Anonymous No.21347859]

>>21347816
The Catholic interpretation is that conversion in itself is not sufficient, but most bring about "fruits in repentance", your act must follow from your conversion and produce results. As the Church is above all a religion of the Community, bearing children is, 8f at all possible (or not prevented by a higher duty to the Community) a requirement.

[Anonymous No.21347871]

>>21347839
Lol, Lord give me strength, some retard thinks an elder woman being honoured with the duties normally given to a man means she must have been some fucking lesbo/tranny. I fucking swear.

[Anonymous No.21347877]

>>21347839
> mfw the tranny cant even keep herself from comparing herself to eunuchs.

[Anonymous No.21347893]

>>21347859
>This is a fairly conservative (wannabe evangelical) interpretation of Catholicism
>Gay people can adopt
>Transbians can have children if their partner has the opposite genitals and they work.
>Nothing prevents an enby from reproducing if their genitals are intact
>Producing other kinds of good fruit is also possible: Why Harraway uses so much energy talking about other kinds of kinship than biological.

[Anonymous No.21347903]

>>21347877
eunuchs are under the non-binary umbrella

>>21347871
focus on the other quotes then.

[Anonymous No.21347905]

>>21347647
>le Chad meme
Embarrassing. You’re entire existence is an elaborate cope and deep down you know it

[Anonymous No.21347907]

>>21347893
>>Gay people can adopt
Lol what? The Church forced a verdict allowing them to discriminate last year, case vs City of Philadelphia, in the Supreme Court. Catholic adoption agencies do not place kids in homosexual homes.

[Anonymous No.21347920]

NB skanks deserve to be raped then have the heads caved in with a brick

[Anonymous No.21347921]

>>21347907
Then it's Catholics being antichristian then preventing the good fruit from growing

Anyhow gay people can adopt where I am

[Anonymous No.21347952]

>>21347905
You're simply envious of my power

[Anonymous No.21347953]

>>21347921
> Putting a good fruit in a basket full of rotten fruits is how you get more good fruits.

[Anonymous No.21347963]

>>21347952
No, it’s genuinely really sad.

[Anonymous No.21347964]

>>21347953
>Assuming a pear is rotten because it's not red like an apple

[Anonymous No.21347969]

>>21347839
Deuteronomy 23:1
>No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may enter the Lord’s assembly.
Deuteronomy 22:5
>The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do soareabomination unto the Lord thy God.”

[Anonymous No.21347972]

>>21347969
damn god can't even decide what he wants

[Anonymous No.21347976]

>>21347969
>Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.
>Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear.

[Anonymous No.21347980]

i would recommend you read some of the greeks, also ovid definitely has a much more broad sense of genders in his description of certain immortal figures. honestly twisting the juice of my lemon here trying to wring out a worthwhile glass, but nonbinary is, whilst not a new theme, is certainly not a particularly popular one, the only other works i can think of that might approach it are things like middlesex, or woolf's Orlando, but i doubt they really apply. i definitely recommend a walk through more ancient gardens, more oblique texts, perhaps some of the occult, as they often disrupt tradition for its own sake, good luck in your pursuit, i do not really find that hatred fits the spirit of literature, and for this i apologize for the state of this board in their callous treatment of your request.

[Anonymous No.21347988]

>>21347969
>>21347976

>Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard; if you do, not only the crops you plant but also the fruit of the vineyard will be defiled.

Sorry all you guys with gardens with two different variety of grapes, to hell you go.


It's almost like some of these laws don't count for Christians.

Furthermore, if we read
>The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do soareabomination unto the Lord thy God.”
This is extra supportive of trans people because God commands women to wear women's clothing and since trans women are women...

Anyhow we are going off topic now so i will not respond to any more bible thumbing.

[Anonymous No.21347989]

another one that comes to mind is twelfth night, but that is also not quite 'nb', but i imagine androgyny comes into play to some extent.

[Anonymous No.21347994]

>>21347980
Thank you for your lovely response.
The greeks are certainly a good source, I've heard that Plotinus (though roman) is quite useful as a gender theorist: Matter is evil and dead and in ascending to the one we abandon our bounds to the body. What Ovid do you recommend? I have the Metamorphoses right by me.

[Anonymous No.21348014]

>>21347994 to continue with Plotinus

If we define our gender according to the body, then we are in a sense attached to matter and we cannot ascend. Likewise, if we follow this logic, Christians like the ones above are more attached to their genitals than to the body of Christ wherein no nation nor gender nor race nor social status exists.

[Anonymous No.21348015]

>>21347994
then i recommend the metamorphoses, though, i will say it doesn't have much depth in that particular theme. ( it is still eminently worth reading ) and after a second glance at it, i definitely recommend middlesex, considering its themes and its overwhelming popularity. i have not read it, but i'm fairly confident it will at least be a good launching point for research, source texts, works similar to and inspired by, and i'm sure that the author themselves will have a great deal of information about works to that end. as to gender theory, the only thing that comes to mind for me is foucault, as well as the beat generation of literature, allen ginsberg, burroughs, they certainly were modern enough to touch the subject. unfortunately in this case i'm really not experienced in the theme, but hopefully i've been of *some* help. again, good luck to you.
there are also probably a large number of poets that handle the topic, so try not to ignore that field during your research.

[Anonymous No.21348022]

>>21348015
>then i recommend the metamorphoses
Any part in particular? - It's quite a big book and quite a lot of stories.

[Anonymous No.21348034]

>>21348022
https://blog.nls.uk/changing-gender-in-metamorphoses/

this should help considerably, despite having just read it, i wouldn't be able to tell you the specific books the transformations occur in, but caenus is quite cool, as well as the pool of hermaphroditus, both concepts are very interesting. the whole work is rather fascinating from a literary lineage perspective, so much of what ovid wrote of became significant tropes in modern literature. an enormous influence on this world.

[Anonymous No.21348039]

>>21348034
Thanks a lot :)

[Anonymous No.21348045]

>>21348039
quite welcome, god bless.

[Anonymous No.21348140]

>>21347599

you kikes are so fucking annoying

[Anonymous No.21348531]

>>21347599
Does anyone here know if J. Butler actually describ enbies? where and if it's good?

[Anonymous No.21349288]

>>21348531
The fastest way to sound like an Indian private messag guy is to fail to add an e by the end of a word.

[Anonymous No.21349314]

>>21347599
every nb person I've met was afab so tits or gtfo?

[Anonymous No.21349447]

>>21349314
I'm amab and trying to figure out the enby thing.
Anyhow, post lit or gtfo

[Anonymous No.21349448]

cringe thread.
sage and report.

[Anonymous No.21349450]

>>21349447
>I'm amab
why do bad things always happen to me? :(

[Anonymous No.21349458]

>>21347599
the main character of my novel is nb, actually. it's never mentioned, but at some point while I was writing I realized I never specified their gender, and I thought it would be neat to write the whole story like that. Since it's first person, it's pretty easy, but still.

[Anonymous No.21349513]

>>21349447
I don’t give a shit if you’re born a dude or a broad, show me the tits

[Anonymous No.21349714]

>>21349513
Thank you for recognising me, but I meant what I said: Books or gtfo.

[Anonymous No.21349753]

good thread

[Anonymous No.21349757]

>>21349714
okay cutie

[Anonymous No.21349764]

>>21347599
You're not welcome here.
Try asking on Reddit, you subhuman freak.

[Anonymous No.21349785]

>>21349757
<3

>>21349764
I've been here longer than you have, go back to your containment board.
>>>/pol/
Lit didn't use to be this filled with /pol/ish immigrants, i understand why butters left.

[Anonymous No.21349797]

>>21349785
yeah it's been particularly bad recently >>21349284

[Anonymous No.21349817]

>>21349797
>The best we can possibly do is share old recommendation charts.
Yup this place is turning into a museum.

[Anonymous No.21349827]

>>21349817
unfortunately it doesn't look like there is any way back to old /lit/ and /pol/ has failed as a containment board. Anyway, I hope you find peace enby-anon you sound alright

[Anonymous No.21349835]

>>21349827
You too <3

[Anonymous No.21349869]

>>21347599
shouldn't you be somewhere demanding laws that allow you to kill white people? fuck outta here

[Anonymous No.21349899]

>>21349869
Go back to Facebook

[Anonymous No.21349930]

>>21347599
She’s not non-binary since she still identifies as a girl, but in the light novel series Kino’s Journey the main character Kino typically refers to herself by name only without choosing the title boy or girl. I think the Japanese text still uses female grammatical structure when referring to her.
Like I said, I don’t really think this is non-binary but it’s the closest I could think of and I just want more people reading Kino’s Journey.

[Anonymous No.21350039]

>>21349930
I've never read a light novel. There's an audiobook on YouTube, so I'll take a listen while doing housework - thanks.

[Anonymous No.21350060]

read about how people dealt with androgyny before the modern era. they too were fascinated and repulsed by “non-binary”

[Anonymous No.21350116]

>>21350060
Wanna share the reading?

[Anonymous No.21350217]

>>21347599
Nonbinarism does not exist. There are good books on lying though

[Anonymous No.21350222]

>>21347903
>eunuchs are under the non-binary umbrella
Incorrect - they castrated men. There are no eunuch females and as such you know what they are. Stop making things up.

[Anonymous No.21350229]

>>21347963
This. It's basically watching someone whip themselves and brag about how strong they are. "Look at how many of your lie seeds I swallow, satan daddy, I'll be a good deception doggy just make me suicidal."

[Anonymous No.21350247]

>>21347980
>i definitely recommend a walk through more ancient gardens, more oblique texts, perhaps some of the occult, as they often disrupt tradition for its own sake, good luck in your pursuit, i do not really find that hatred fits the spirit of literature, and for this i apologize for the state of this board in their callous treatment of your request.
Beyond the vile vines of rot from whence your entire words slither and creep out anyone with eyes or a soul, this post is not only unbelievably undereducated, in citing demons and Ovid who would be ashamed to be mentioned in endorsing the pervesion of the human form, but also just naive. The Catholic Church teaches God has no gender (not nonbinary, but nongendered), so the basis of Western civilization has already dealt with this problem that has rolled down the lie machine from whichever pinball machine the demonic have strapped their soul onto this time.

[Anonymous No.21350288]

>>21350247
>The CC teaches God has no gender
>Source: my lying ass
Begone, Beelzebub!

[Anonymous No.21350308]

>>21350247
>God the father who revealed himself through jesus has no gender
You don't seem like am honest poster

[Anonymous No.21350309]

I've already started that I will abstain from more Bible thumbing in this thread.

Please be on topic - it's books relating to enbies not skizoposting relating to transphobia: There's a whole board for your derangement, go there instead.

[Anonymous No.21350328]

>>21350247
>The Catholic Church teaches God has no gender (not nonbinary, but nongendered)
WTF is with this shitty psyop, at least lie about things which can't be disproved by looking at the first 3 results of a Google search. God is the Father of Humanity and Mary is our Mother (and she, despite being the greatest human ever born, was not divine). It is by analogy to Him being the ultimate source of all Beings that any other thing can share in the principle of fatherhood.

[Anonymous No.21350351]

>>21350309
> If you don't post books that relate only positively to this highly controversial topic on this proceduraly contrarian imageboard, I'll have to start acting like a janny.
I usually don't do this, but for you I'll make an exception. Seriously, go back to plebbit.

[Anonymous No.21350360]

>>21350308
>You don't seem like am honest poster
>239 By calling God "Father", the language of faith indicates two main things: that God is the first origin of everything and transcendent authority; and that he is at the same time goodness and loving care for all his children. God's parental tenderness can also be expressed by the image of motherhood, which emphasizes God's immanence, the intimacy between Creator and creature. The language of faith thus draws on the human experience of parents, who are in a way the first representatives of God for man. But this experience also tells us that human parents are fallible and can disfigure the face of fatherhood and motherhood. We ought therefore to recall that God transcends the human distinction between the sexes. He is neither man nor woman: he is God. He also transcends human fatherhood and motherhood, although he is their origin and standard: no one is father as God is Father.

[Anonymous No.21350364]

>>21350288
>>21350328
okay
>>21350360

[Anonymous No.21350377]

>>21350309
>I've already started that I will abstain from more Bible thumbing in this thread.
You can lie peacefully to yourself but not on my favorite board.

[Anonymous No.21350388]

>>21350360
>>21350364
> Carefully select one paragraph out of an entire article to prove his point, failing to understand that what the Church is getting at is that a perfect Fatherhood also includes all the essential qualities of motherhood.
Just a bit further down...
> "We see now that there are good theological reasons for why we call God "Father," not the least of which is that such language is not ours to adapt or abolish to begin with. God gave us this language — admittedly through a particular culture and its images — but it was God who nevertheless gave it. God wants us to understand Him as the Transcendent Source of creation, a truth better expressed using the language of fatherhood than motherhood. Within the Triune Life of God, the First Person is Father because He is the Unoriginated Origin of the Son and the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, He is also Father of the Son in history, through the Incarnation. And, by Divine Adoption and regeneration, He is Father of those who are united to Christ in the Holy Spirit — "sons in the Son." Finally, as a result of God's universal salvific will, all human beings are potentially children of God, for all are called to share in the Divine Life of grace through Christ in the Holy Spirit. "

[Anonymous No.21350394]

>>21350388
>out of an entire article to prove his
>article
The Catechism of the Catholic Church isn't exactly an article.

[Anonymous No.21350415]

transgenderism and its followers are a blight on our culture and our world. whether you believe god or not you should know this to be true.

[Anonymous No.21350416]

>>21350351
At least reference a book or something or just go back to where one is transphobic without mentioning books.
>>>/facebook/

>>21350377
My thumb is itching for joining the bibleing but with the power of Christ I will abstain.

[Anonymous No.21350804]

>>21347599
You will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.21350806]

>>21350804
I'm fine with that...

[Anonymous No.21350833]

The philosophy of NB? I'd say some good fiction works that represent the philosophy are Lolita, The Ice Palace, The Immoralist, Death in Venice, Justine (by de Sade), etc. Philosophical works would be das kapital (AAVE), all of deleuze and lacan's works, as well as guenon. those guys are real gay haha Ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.21350894]

>>21347599
unironically Nietzsche, being nb is the most Nietzschean thing a person can do.

[Anonymous No.21350900]

>>21350833
>No-one is more gay than I, no one more a friend of man
-Georges Bataille (Inner Experience)

[Anonymous No.21350902]

>>21347988
based and true

[Anonymous No.21350908]

>>21347905
yeah the trans people are the ones coping in this thread for sure big guy

read nietzsche faggot the most beautiful thing a person can do is to become what they are.

[Anonymous No.21350911]

>>21350894
In that respect Max Stirner too desu

[Anonymous No.21350921]

>>21350415
you are consumed by ressentiment brother seek help.

[Anonymous No.21350997]

the worst thing about non-binary and transexuals is that the cutest girls fall for it, who would previously just confine themselves to cutting their hair and dressing in black. I long for pixie cut girls in cute skirts and blouses

[Anonymous No.21351112]

>>21350921
They basically live a sexualized lie to survive on the ability to scientifically simulate, read: deceive, their own body and other's eyes until they no longer visibly look like what they are. Anon is incorrect in saying they are a cancer as people but their beliefset is far worse than a cancer.

[Anonymous No.21351135]

>>21350908
>read nietzsche faggot the most beautiful thing a person can do is to become what they are.
>become what they are
This is logically impossible as becoming what you are is like saying you can become a liar and you are a liar. This is wrong as you simply become a gender-actor in the stage of sexual gazes and not ever actually become a women as only one's own body and puberty does that - rather you can be what you are and become what you would be but you can will improper things, such as homosexuality, or impossible things, such as gender retardation like OP espoused.

[Anonymous No.21351838]

>>21351112
Is this comment made by an AI? Wtf are you trying to say?

>>21351135
>Well, actually rapping is stupid because they are black... I mean thugs and not ducks!
Ok Ben Shapiro

[Anonymous No.21351868]

>>21350908
Nietzsche wrote letters as Dionysus and The Crucified to the King of Italy. Nigga was crazy

[Anonymous No.21351887]

>>21347599
I sincerely believe this book will help

[Anonymous No.21351891]

>>21350908
Nietzsche's concept of self becoming doesn't involve masturbating to yourself wearing stockings and skirts and then wallowing in group pity online

[Anonymous No.21351904]

>>21351887
Yoooooo! First book rec by a transphobe! Sadly you haven't read it yourself first - maybe you should?

[Anonymous No.21351912]

>>21347599
The Gods Themselves by Asimov is half about aliens with a 3-gender system and some level of biological fluidity iirc.
I, Robot by the same is mostly about nongendered robots, who are arguably the overall heroes of the story.
I don't know if those work for you since they're not on-the-nose or about fitting in socially with the rest of society, but it's early attempts at challenging people to relate to characters who don't fall into the comparatively strict norms of the time.
I think there's some good examples from LeGuin too but their names escape me.

[Anonymous No.21351929]

>>21347988
>Can’t understand the metaphorical meaning of the sowing of two different types of seeds in a garden
At least your interpretations are fembrained

>Trans women are women
No you’re a faggot wearing a dress, possessed by demons

Matthew 13:29-30
Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.

[Anonymous No.21351941]

Sad that /pol/ permeates every other board. Sorry OP but even the fucking literature board will probably never entertain even the least fringe topic disassociated from their far more fringe worldview.

[Anonymous No.21351953]

>>21351929
Damn I want to respond but Jesus's power is greater.

[Anonymous No.21351954]

>>21351929
that book is like 60 years old lol