/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21347200]

Why are most good writers Jewish?

[Anonymous No.21347267]

I wouldn't call kafka good

[Anonymous No.21347276]

>>21347200
High verbal IQ + neuroticism

[Anonymous No.21347281]

>>21347267
why not?

[Anonymous No.21347282]

>>21347200
A financially secure livelihood leads to more picking up the trade of doing the arts.

[Anonymous No.21347284]

>>21347200
you're right Plato was a good writer

[Anonymous No.21347287]

>>21347200
Most good writers are sensitive people who have struggled and faced some of the cruelties of the world. Many Jewish people fall into this camp historically for obvious reasons.

Also, the best authors are usually very idiosyncratic and authentic in their depictions of their own cultural identities, which Jewish writers have been on top of for ages, much like Black American writers of the literature boom from Latin America

[Anonymous No.21347288]

They aren't known as 'the people of the book' for nothing!

[Anonymous No.21347292]

>>21347287
>Also, the best authors are usually very idiosyncratic and authentic in their depictions of their own cultural identities
no, this is just the most highly valued aspect of literature in the current academic/critical climate

[Anonymous No.21347314]

Any good books about his life ?
Also: general Borges thread.

[Anonymous No.21347335]

>>21347292
Completely wrong. Ulysses, Moby Dick, and most Shakespeare works all succeed on the strength of the cultural identity depicted. You don’t have Ulysses without 1910s Dublin and you don’t have Moby Dick without 1800s seafarers

This is like Lit Theory 100

[Anonymous No.21347367]

>>21347282
>kafka
>financially secure

[Anonymous No.21347368]

schizophrenia is common in jews and schizophrenia leads to good writing

[Anonymous No.21347371]

>>21347288
That's a muslim name for Christians as well

[Anonymous No.21347375]

>>21347368
>schizophrenia leads to good writing
said who?

[Anonymous No.21347395]

>>21347335
>most Shakespeare works all succeed on the strength of the cultural identity depicted
Yeah people love Hamlet because of its idiosyncratic and authentic depiction of Danish history

[Anonymous No.21347432]

>>21347281
Because i personally didn't like what i've read of him. Very dry, both in content and form

[Anonymous No.21347548]

>>21347375
The 45 elite literary men sitting around me in my room as I write this.

[Anonymous No.21347646]

>>21347200
>Why are most good writers Jewish?
In the land of the (barbarians eating their own shit) the (barbarian who only sometimes eats its own shit) is king.

[Anonymous No.21347749]

>>21347375
The people who buy his neurotic ramblings in mass for decades.

[Anonymous No.21347799]

>>21347749
in fairness his books piggybacked on the wave of cold war propaganda and got a lot of airtime that their literary merit didn't really deserve; he just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

[Anonymous No.21348036]

>>21347432
what have you read by him?

[Anonymous No.21348051]

>>21347646
kek

[Anonymous No.21348398]

>>21347200
High verbal IQ + neuroticism

[Anonymous No.21348446]

Jews are wildly overrepresented but they don’t constitute a majority

Jews have been literate for 2k years. They haven’t been farmers since the second temple period. That + high ashkenazi IQ (a full standard deviation above the mean) makes Jews over represented in the arts & sciences

[Anonymous No.21348453]

>>21348446
If Jews and homosexuals are overrepresented in IQ scores, Pol Pot and Hitler didn't go far enough

[Anonymous No.21348461]

>>21347287
This reads like an AI answer. Total pabulum. Jews aren’t actually exotic; the weirdness of the Jew is in how he fits into the host culture better than the gentiles themselves, at least when both are newly secular. Kafka isn’t interesting because he gives us the local flavor of the fucking shtetl. Even Bashevis Singer doesn’t do that, and he’s way Jewier than Herr Jackdaw.

No, Kafka brings many currents of the bourgeois secular mitteleuropean culture of his time and place to their radical conclusions. Utterly absurd to claim that he carves out a distinctive ethnic literature, or at least a literature which is appealing bc distinctive. Kafka’s work is appealing because it is brilliant and of higher quality than almost all of his contemporaries. Would be patronizing, as well as false, to suggest otherwise.

[Anonymous No.21348464]

>>21347200
They're not.

[Anonymous No.21348466]

>>21347335
If those works succeed it is because they manifest something universal about man and his condition

[Anonymous No.21348470]

>>21348453
intelligence is no proxy for moral goodness

you make a good point that homosexuals are overrepresented among artistic geniuses as well. I can’t explain that one through genetics, though…

[Anonymous No.21348472]

>>21347200
>Shakespeare, Goethe, Melville, Faulkner, Gaddis
>good maybe great never.

[Anonymous No.21348640]

Well connected writers = Good writers (eventually if not immediately)

[Anonymous No.21349032]

>>21348640
>Well connected writers
>kafka

[Anonymous No.21349033]

>>21347200
>Why are most good writers Jewish?
Judaism has not never produced a poet worth reading. Also, most good writers are Christian and Kafka is mediocre compared to Borges or even B.F. Traven. They are decent but not great.

[Anonymous No.21349077]

>>21347335
>Ulysses, Moby Dick, and most Shakespeare works all succeed on the strength of the cultural identity depicted
I disagree, and it's ironic that you consider this "Lit Theory 101" because it encapsulates very neatly a lot of what's wrong with academic criticism. You dunces will go to any length possible to avoid admitting that these are all great works of literature primarily because they pass the most rigorous of eye tests. Their most significant commonality has nothing to do with "cultural identity" and everything to do with the fact that they are all of superlative artistry, first, foremost, and lastly. What makes a good writer notable is notably good writing. Since "good writing" isn't quantifiable despite literal centuries of academic effort, thence comes lumbering the patchwork behemoth sloughing mediocrity from between the seams of its stitched-together, shitskinned human parts.

[Anonymous No.21349081]

>>21349077
>thence comes lumbering the patchwork behemoth sloughing mediocrity from between the seams of its stitched-together, shitskinned human parts.

[Anonymous No.21349085]

>>21347200
Their work has no soul, it’s not artistic because Jews are not artists nor do they have souls. They are simply technically good because they are amendment over arguing semantics. The whole Talmud is arguing with God and circumventing his rulings through word play.

[Anonymous No.21349090]

>>21349033
Borges admired Kafka

[Anonymous No.21349093]

>>21349085
>i-its a talmud!!!
And what does this have to do with, say, Asimov?

[Anonymous No.21349100]

>>21347200

[Anonymous No.21349105]

>>21347200
Partially it’s because “good” in western society is determined by Jews. Jews are the publishers, the critics, the academics and it would be surprising if they did not promote their own.

That said Jews are high iq people and many are great intellectuals.

[Anonymous No.21349165]

>>21347200
They aren't

[Anonymous No.21349270]

>>21349105
>ITS a JUICE

[Anonymous No.21349347]

>>21347200
they are more intelligent, witty, soulful and creative than the rest of humanity.

[Anonymous No.21349353]

>>21347646
Jews hate god, and hating god is cool

[Anonymous No.21349536]

It’s funny how /pol/ autists hate Jews when Jews are just a race of autists

[Anonymous No.21349792]

>>21349353
Jew don't hate that god, he's the hitler of gods who declares them aryan ubermensch despite having no civilizational accomplishments and having obvious drug and sexuality problems.

[Anonymous No.21349812]

>>21347200
Maybe him, Bruno Schulz was his name

[Anonymous No.21349870]

>>21349792
>having obvious drug and sexuality problems.
as opposed to...?

[Anonymous No.21349880]

>>21349870
Me

[Anonymous No.21349882]

>>21349880
Yeah, sure

[Anonymous No.21350354]

>>21349870
>>having obvious drug and sexuality problems.
>as opposed to...?
As opposed to not (having obvious drug and sexuality problems).

The hell kind of response was that lol

[Anonymous No.21350376]

>>21349105
>That said Jews are high iq people
Not really. Europeans are statistically smarter than Jews. Jewish influence created this detestable midwit culture we have now

[Anonymous No.21350383]

>>21347335
>Ulysses, Moby Dick,
Utter shit.

[Anonymous No.21350685]

>>21350383
>Moby Dick,
oooo i'm stuck inside the tummy of big fish, ooooo it's like the bible ooooooo

[Anonymous No.21350710]

>>21350354
>As opposed to not (having obvious drug and sexuality problems).
Yeah, like who?

[Anonymous No.21350717]

>>21347276
second this

[Anonymous No.21350746]

>>21349347
They are high iq like Chinese people but unlike the Chinese people they could pass for white and lived in Europe so it was easy for them to dominate the lower iq white people.

[Anonymous No.21350771]

>>21347200
It's enough alone that they are an ancient people with an intact cultural thread across it all

But they are also a people who have remained under consistent pressure. This always results in artistic outbursts for a culture.

As an observation, I think Jews also tend to have a lot of appreciation for the things that they like or find beautiful. It's a common sort of Jewish character who appreciates higher things, classicism and such, with the same feeling for pop culture and trivial things. Love for the world is what renders good writers.

As far as this question of Jewish wisdom and intelligence goes, I won't bother to speak on that. This board is not a receptive audience to a positive discussion of Jews. But it is what it is.

[Anonymous No.21350779]

>>21347200
Look in your ash tray

[Anonymous No.21350824]

They're not, in fact I'd say literature is the one area where Jews are grossly overrepresented in comparison to their population percentage

[Anonymous No.21350827]

>>21350824
aren't*

[Anonymous No.21350856]

>>21350827
Readers tend to by more antisemitic than moviegoers

[Anonymous No.21350883]

jews are narcisistic psychopaths

they are not better than european or american whites at anything

as a matter of fact the "smartest" jews are white genetically

jews just like to believe they are smarter and push that illusion about themselves on other

the judaisc religion is a primitive fantasy full of stupidity just like any other religion and putting that stuff inside your brain cannot make you high iq because it has nothing to do with it
actually believing is stupid stuff makes you dumber

[Anonymous No.21350975]

>>21347200
Most good Jews are writers.

[Anonymous No.21351008]

>>21347200
Literally no literary goat has ever been Jewish. If you listed hundreds of greatest writers ever a tiny percentage would be Jewish.

[Anonymous No.21351022]

>>21348446
Jews might be overrepresented in published works but they aren't among the greatest. Do they even have one?

[Anonymous No.21351032]

>>21350710
i don't understand what you're getting at. Most people do not have drug or sexual problems, anon. I was comparing the catastrophically impotent state of the Germans, who embraced Hitlers aryan super race philosophy, to that of the Jews - as both peoples at the times they championed their own great superiority were the most laughable and under-achieving people on their respective continents; having not only fallen afoul of far superior civilizational powers (economy, military, art, science, culture) but also having been intellectually and militarily dwarfed by their own regional neighbors.

It's like a tattered ragged illiterate proclaims himself 'most best writer ever' and holds up what becomes apparent is a crude copy of a previous work, with the names of persons and places scratched out and replaced with his own.

[Anonymous No.21351033]

>>21351008
Kafka was a literary goat

[Anonymous No.21351047]

>>21351033
He was pretty good but I don't really think so. I haven't read anything by him recently though. Maybe he was goat of the peculiar Jew category. I do really like The Judgement especially.

What's so great about Kafka?

[Anonymous No.21351056]

>>21351033
>>21351047
And even then it'd only be 1. Who else would you put up there? I don't believe Borges was Jewish but maybe, people do say that. Jews did a lot of stuff in Russia but you end up with
>dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, turgenev, Pushkin, gogol, chekhov, solzhenitsyn, bulgakov
And none of them are Jewish to my knowledge.
>Shakespeare, dickinson, Dante, geothe, Joyce, woolf
Are all not Jewish. Pretty much noone is.

And it really just goes on like that. Catcher in the Rye is the best Jew novel I think.

[Anonymous No.21351421]

>>21351008
Allen Ginsberg was Jewish

[Anonymous No.21351456]

>>21347200
The Jewish community prides itself on intellectual and academic endeavors. The people have a history of suffering and oppression. Throw in neuroses, shake all of that together, and it’s not hard to see why many Jews are great writers

[Anonymous No.21351509]

>>21351032
Germany was known as the "land of thinkers and poets" before the World Wars

[Anonymous No.21351703]

>>21351509
I tend to think this is greatly overrated and comes from that strange belief that europeans are "all germans", as Germany (or HRE for that matter) tended to lose when it was actually challenged and had great difficulty feilding armies, despite martial prowess being its biggest boast ... vs. mongols, french revolutionaries, north african pirates, turks, american revolutionaries ... the hapsburg empire was pretty useless for most of its history.

As well as technically being responsible for the tuetonic knights butchering half of the region, and for allowing Poland to exist - which an extremely evil place and engineering many of the conflicts that Germany typically got the blame for.

[Anonymous No.21351765]

>>21347375
The voices

[Anonymous No.21352174]

I reject the premise of the question.
For more than ten years in the pubic education system i was forced to study Jewish authors, punished for broadly rejecting the relevance of their work and the Jewish cultural perspective

[Anonymous No.21352579]

>>21347646
>In the land of the the is king

[Anonymous No.21352588]

>>21347200
Didn't we literally just have this thread, like yesterday?

[Anonymous No.21352596]

>>21352588
yep. thread's still up, actually >>21349498
Check the catalogue next time >>21347200

[Anonymous No.21352730]

>>21347200
>Why are most good writers Jewish?
Are they?

Name 3 good/famous Jewish authors.

Myself I can only think of Kafka and...I guess Salinger, but he kind of sucks. Who is left? Fucking Moses?

[Anonymous No.21352746]

>>21352730
Wikipedia or google can help you out

[Anonymous No.21352758]

>>21347200
They aren't. Most are Aryan-derived.

[Anonymous No.21352764]

>>21352746
I did and there was no one worthwhile to add to the list. Unless you think Karl Marx was a good writer, in which case you aren't real because nobody thinks that.

[Anonymous No.21352765]

>>21352746
>literal nobodies only famous because they're jewish
I'm pretty sure black retards make better writers, honestly.

[Anonymous No.21352768]

>>21352764
How many of them have you read? Or is this another /lit/ special of giving opinions on writers you’ve never read?

[Anonymous No.21352769]

>>21352746
Lol dude you got BTFO, your anti-white hatred has been exposed and now all you can do is kvetch.

[Anonymous No.21352775]

>>21352769
??? I just came here a minute ago

[Anonymous No.21352784]

>>21352775
>oy vey! Ive been exposed!

[Anonymous No.21352792]

>>21352784
Jews are more successful than you. Deal with it. Literally God’s chosen people. The only thing you were chosen for is a shit life.

[Anonymous No.21352799]

>>21352792
DIIIEEE TRAAANYYY

[Anonymous No.21352805]

>>21352799
Do you even read? Kek

[Anonymous No.21352809]

>>21352805
Reading is Jewish psyop

[Anonymous No.21352815]

>>21347200
Inaccurate statement. I'm not even sure it would be fair to says Jews are overrepresented among good writers. I can see your claim as having merit if you flip it around: why are most Jewish writers good - good defined as being on the high tide of mediocrity. So I'll answer that question.
In my observation, Jews have two qualities that make them worthwhile writers. The first is a willingness and an ability to produce a massive output. The second, which I think is less pronounced, is a tendency to be subversive, seedy, prurient, or a combination of those things, which can produce ideas that are original, or at least catch the public's attention.
But neither of those qualities are unique to Jewish writers.

[Anonymous No.21352821]

>>21352792
>dumb tranny doesnt know im jewish
Top kek you utter moron

[Anonymous No.21352824]

>>21352815
I would say jewish writers are usually not very good. They are good at writing textbooks. Leave creative works to more sophisticated, more spiritual people.

[Anonymous No.21352829]

>>21352792
Dude he called you out and refuted you and all you can do is throw out personal insults because you got BTFO so hard.