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What would happen to me if i read entire Shorter Summa? Would i get insane christian meditation skills? Or some transcendental knowledge that would convert me into right path?
>inb4 read it and see
My version is 1000 pages long and largest format i have, you can kill people with this book its so big.

>> No.21304979

>>21304920
You can kill someone with a book of any size. Summa Theologica is meant to help us understand Catholic theology, you can choose to do whatever you want with this information once you have it. If you can't read a 1000-page book, then you are retarded

>> No.21305012

>>21304920
The Summa Theologica was written for theology students; in other words, people who already believed in the Christian God. It's not meant to convert you. It's simply a big, systematic synthesis that only makes sense if you accept Aquinas' basic metaphysical principles (which he lays out in other works such as De ente et essentia).
>Would i get insane christian meditation skills?
Probably not. Again, it's just a textbook, not a mystical or devotional book.

>> No.21305052

>>21304920
>Would i get insane christian meditation skills?
....by reading scholastic theology?
>Or some transcendental knowledge that would convert me into right path?
....by reading.... Aquinas'..... scholastic theology?
My brother in Christ, do you know anything about that book? It's a dry, systematic guidebook to Christian theology in clear and simple language. Do you expect to read Aristotle and come away with it with "insane meditation skills"? You'll tame your dopamine receptors, that's for sure, but...

>> No.21305109

>>21305052
Maybe not but Aristotle can tech you some specific way of thinking.
I heard Aquinas is like spiritual formal logic book, fun brain-teasing philosophy akin to Kant, Wittgenstein or Aristotle.
I was hoping Aquinas can convert nonbeliever by using pure logic alone.

>> No.21305361

Skip Aquinas
Read Calvin

>> No.21305402

>>21304920
If you want to obtain capeshit powers from religion the top tier is basically Vajrayana Buddhism and Hindu Tantra and from there it's a big step down to I guess Voodoo or other shamanistic stuff and then dead last are all the religions which ban magic like Christianity

>> No.21305443

>>21304920
All that I have written seems like straw compared to what has now been revealed to me.

>> No.21305463

No amount of abstract reading is going to make you more spiritual and Aquinas would say as much himself. If you want to understand how the medieval Catholics thought (which is about 95% the same as the Church today) then it is perfect. If you want "meditation skills" then that's on you and not the book.

>> No.21305684

>>21305402
>>21305463
then how do i learn christian meditation? Where are books for that? Yeah i know buddhism based, but is there no possibility of personal enlightment, transformation, total change of perspective through christian theology?

>> No.21305732

>>21305684
The last western form of theurgy was neoplatonism but Christianity dropped those practices since they're unkosher.

>> No.21305808

>>21305732
And you know this how?

>> No.21305821

>>21305808
Naturally, I happen to be an expert on this topic. But if you doubt me, go ask your local Christian priest if there is some ritual you can perform to metamorph yourself into Amun-Zeus.

>> No.21305911

huge waste of time

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>>21304920
>Would i get insane christian meditation skills?
>some transcendental knowledge
You get Catholic Theology from Aquinas, that's it really.
The stuff you're looking for is in Mystical and Theological Christianity, look up:
Meister Eckhart
The Cloud of Unknowing
Hesychasm
Christian theosophy/Jakob Böhme
Sophiology
As a start, the Cloud of Unknowing will teach you about Christian contemplation in around 100 or so pages, Eckhart and Böhme on the other hand get into concepts and ideas they derived through mystical experience

>> No.21306509

>>21306501
>Theological Christianity
Oops meant to type Theosophical, my bad

>> No.21306774

>>21305109
>I was hoping Aquinas can convert nonbeliever by using pure logic alone.
It doesn't work that way, read Kierkegaard.

>> No.21306806

>>21306501
>The Cloud of Unknowing
Seconded, but ONLY if you're already Catholic. Otherwise it'll be wasted on you