/clg/ - Classical Languages General

[Anonymous No.21299995]

Achaean broad edition

>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>21250788

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw

>Mέγα τὸ ANE
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

Best way to learn is to pick a textbook and start reading it. Don't ask, just read
Ignore shitposters, do not feed the trolls

[Anonymous No.21299998]

Niger

[Anonymous No.21300217]

I could not find anywhere a Septuagint digital text, or printed really, other than one PDF where the letters are messed up and some "sqlite3" files. Very strange.

[Anonymous No.21300224]

>>21299995
Was Helen a blonde, blue-eyed nordic goddess corrupted by her lust for Med. men? I like to think so.

[Anonymous No.21300229]

>>21300224
Lmfao.
>damn these 5ft4 swarthoids are sexy

[Anonymous No.21300248]

>>21300217
Might one of these be suitable?
https://ebible.org/bible/details.php?id=grcbrent

[Anonymous No.21300258]

>>21300217
Just for you
https://filebin.net/2rltr62sz2v1h3tc
Had this in my "To Transfer" folder. Will update Mega but probably not until the new year.

[Anonymous No.21300325]

>>21300248
This is amazing thank you so much.
>>21300258
That one is probably okay but I can't read it. Strange format DJVU. But thank you as well.

[Anonymous No.21300343]

>>21300224
She was kidnapped by Paris. Also Lacedaemonians were blond.

[Anonymous No.21300533]

>>21299998
>>21299999

>>21300229
tfw the nucleus of western civilisation was a bunch of 5'1" medlets

[Anonymous No.21300679]

>>21300343
Some of them were blonde and redheaded. Like not all Swedes are blonde and not all Irish are redhead

[Anonymous No.21300733]

>>21299995
Is Trot supposed to be that close to the shore?
Did they encamp literally just outside of Troy and stayed for 10 years? Dafuq. Kino otherwise.

[Anonymous No.21300736]

>>21300733
Troy*. Wish i had a brain sometimes.

[Anonymous No.21300747]

>>21300733
idk it's a fine picture and boota

[Anonymous No.21300804]

>>21299995
Are there any resources/commentary on Aristotle you all would recomment? I'm especially concerned with the philosophical terminology/neologisms he uses, as well as his use of particles.

[Anonymous No.21300968]

>>21300733
From the penguin clothbound

[Anonymous No.21301029]

>>21300733
That's not even a camp, the artist just took Normandy and put Helen in it

[Anonymous No.21301173]

>>21300968
Nice, ty

[Anonymous No.21301193]

>>21299995
How do you learn greek declensions? I have Anki for vocab but find it very difficult to memorize articles and endings.

[Anonymous No.21301194]

>>21299995
Is she the original Stacy?

[Anonymous No.21301226]

>>21301193
first start by writing down paradigms
then write down paradigms
once you are done with that write down paradigms
additionally, you can also write down paradigms
finally, write down paradigms
if still unsure about some of them, go back at the start

[Anonymous No.21301675]

Are y'all learning Greek or Latin, anons? Why?

[Anonymous No.21301880]

>>21301675
both
hobby, I like it and surprisingly it works fairly well even for a lazy ass like me, lil bit every day

[Anonymous No.21301904]

>>21301193
Fuck Anki, just write them on paper every day. Make/print one correct paradigm, turn it face down, then either write on blank paper or on printed paper with blank spaces for the endings (if it helps you) as much as you can remember. If you can't remember shit, do one or a few declensions/conjugations at a time, the easiest and most common ones. Do as much as you feel you can attempt and at least get a few forms.

Don't care about how many you get as long as you get some. If you get 4/6 conjugations, just leave those blank blank, and check them when you finish and flip over the full paradigm. Then flip it back over and do it again, this time you will probably get more, maybe not, doesn't matter. Do it one more time, then take a break.

Then the next day do it again, and you will find that on the "easy but I still forget one or two things sometimes" conjugations now you don't forget anything at all, and on the ones you always struggle with, you get a bit more each time. After you do this for a couple weeks you will be able to sit down and do full paradigms off the top of your head on blank paper while only making minor mistakes, and you'll start to notice your real problem spots.

Do this IN ADDITION TO reading real Greek and not worrying at all about forgetting forms. Who gives a fuck if you forget the same thing a million times. I've been reading German for years and I literally forget one of the most common adverbs once a week because there's a retard spot in my brain somewhere that keeps dropping that fact like a birthday cake on the floor and needing me to manually bake him another cake (look it up in the dictionary). Who cares? I still read German, you'll still read Greek.

Memorizing Greek paradigms is literally a superpower, once you do it you will grow 2" taller and can legally commit rape.

[Anonymous No.21302033]

>>21301880
What do you use to learn them?

[Anonymous No.21302072]

>>21301880
Latin: been a while but I did something like
Wheelock + LLPSI(mostly the former, never finished the latter) + various Anki decks + old reader for students as first translation work(De Viris Illistribus Urbis Romae by Lhomond) and then I eventually jumped to Caesar; from there on, it's just grind by reading, some Sallust, some Livy, medievals, Tacitus, nowadays I'm mostly doing Greek but I'm also reading the Aeneid
it helps that I'm native speaker of a Romance language, for the vocabulary especially

Greek: largely just Athenaze, both books thoroughly, and unlike with Latin, building my own Anki decks from scratch instead of downloading them; painful work but effective, afterwards I carefully read and made an Anki deck from Morice's Stories in Attic to boost base vocabulary even more; afterwards I got JACT's A World of Heroes with excerpts from Homer and Herodotus, I read those two to get more familiar with Ionic and Epic Greek. Now I'm reading both Xenophon's Anabasis, since it's the classic babby's first real Greek like Caesar is to Latin, and book 1 of the Iliad(JACT covers all book 22 and part of book 6).
I took it overall quite more slowly with Greek but it was worth it, feels good to almost sight-read even if just Xenophon.

[Anonymous No.21302076]

>>21302033
>>21302072

[Anonymous No.21302254]

Youth despite your hurry
this stone asks you to stay
next what is written read
here are laid bones of a poet Pacius Marcus
who unknowing wanted not to be

Did I do a good job or should I go back to the books?

[Anonymous No.21302286]

>>21302254
>to stay
aspicias < aspicio, to behold
se referring to saxum
>a poet Pacius
the poet Pacuvius
>who unknowing wanted not to be
I wanted (this, ) that you would't be unaware|ignorant (of this) = for I desired that you knew this

[Anonymous No.21302333]

>>21302286
I guess i have to work on the subjunctive meanings
Thanks

[Anonymous No.21302341]

>>21301193
The same way you learn them in every other language
Repetition
Write them down ad nuseam and then some more

[Anonymous No.21302354]

>>21302072
>LLPSI
Good choice, my favourite. I've got both Familia Romana and Roma Aeterna as physical copies back in the US, and also Fabylae Syrae as well.

What's your native tongue, by the way?

>Athenaze
English version or Italian version? The Italian version goes more in-depth, but I'm considering using the Italian version of Athenaze in conjunction with "Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary" (I have all three as PDFs) by JACT. If y'all have any other recommendations I'd take them gladly. I'm planning on using the Septuagint and Greek New Testament as reading practice because I love it.

I also study linguistics so languages like Latin, Greek, Old Norse, etc intersect my interests quite well. Plan on getting my Master's in Historical Linguistics.

[Anonymous No.21302360]

>>21302354
>Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary
Has anyone tried Reading Latin by Sidwell & Jones?

[Anonymous No.21302506]

HERBAM BONAM FUMAVI SED IAM FUMO NIHIL

[Anonymous No.21302512]

>>21302506
Noli fumare

[Anonymous No.21302515]

I want a pixie cut gf who can speak middle egyptian

[Anonymous No.21302518]

>>21302512
I want to say
>I used to smoke good weed, but now I smoke nothing
Was I correct or incorrect?
>noli fumare
that's more like
do not (imperative) smoke, right? Not really what I'm trying to say

[Anonymous No.21302529]

>>21302518
>I used to
Soleo, solere is to be accustomed to or used to.
>iam
This can mean now, but it's more like "already". I would say "nunc" instead.

[Anonymous No.21302533]

>>21302529
So
>Soleo herbam bonam fumare, nunc fumo nihil

[Anonymous No.21302534]

>>21302515
>speak middle egyptian
Nobody has reconstructed the phonology or knows what the vernacular phrases would be. You can speak Coptic, you cannot speak Middle Egyptian.

[Anonymous No.21302535]

>>21302533
I guess. I'm not an expert. I'm on ch. 23 of LLPSI.

[Anonymous No.21302539]

>>21302534
shh, it's the same give or take.

[Anonymous No.21302547]

>>21302539
Just learn Coptic and say you speak Egyptian. Technically it's true and nobody will ask you "which era of the language?".

[Anonymous No.21302556]

>>21302535
I got to chapter 16 once, back on 10 or 11 again now though
Gracias tibi magister
>HERBAM BONAM FUMARE SOLUI NUNC NIHIL FUMO
Because I am not anymore accustomed to smoking, but I WAS used to this so
>I was used to smoking good weed, now I smoke nothing

[Anonymous No.21302577]

>>21302556
>I got to chapter 16 once, back on 10 or 11 again now though
I'm basically you, every 5 chapters I make it, I slack off and have to rewind and work my way back up to where I was before. It's been taking me way too long. The worst part is that this book isn't even hard if you use it with a primer like Wheelock, D'ooge, or Moreland. I've dabbled in all three and each Orberg chapter I read is a piece of cake. The problem is that the book is fucking boring and I can't bring myself to read everyday, which means I have to keep going back to refresh my memory since I don't use flashcards (and don't want to).

[Anonymous No.21302896]

Okay /clg/ speaking anons, no escape today! You WILL tell your fellow posters about your /clg/ journey and what made you learn a classical language, right?

[Anonymous No.21302901]

>>21302896
No, frog4, I will not.

[Anonymous No.21303039]

>>21302896
luv history, luv languages/linguistics, love me faith

simple as that

>>21302901
cute Ῥωμαίᾱ waifu

[Anonymous No.21303068]

>>21302896
>made you learn a classical language, right?
Just to larp

[Anonymous No.21303235]

>>21302896
The state of the world is very unnerving and demoralising. Becoming acquainted with any period of history before WW2 is an exercise in escaping modernity. Latin was particularly important in Europe after classical times, much more so than greek, which is why I think it's a rule of thumb to learn Latin first.

I see great figures of the past like Milton or Enoch Powell and how they knew English, Greek, Latin, and another modern language AT MINIMUM and it makes me feel inspired. Makes me feel that learning an ancient language is the least I should be able to do.

[Anonymous No.21303358]

>>21303235
>I see great figures of the past like Milton or Enoch Powell and how they knew English, Greek, Latin, and another modern language AT MINIMUM and it makes me feel inspired. Makes me feel that learning an ancient language is the least I should be able to do.
Latin, Greek, French, German, Russian at a minimum. You should also learn Spanish and Hebrew because why wouldn't you. If you still have some life in you, then do Sanskrit and Classical Chinese.

[Anonymous No.21303470]

>>21303358
>Spanish
The only one listed that I wouldn't bother with. I can get a burrito with English just fine.

[Anonymous No.21303478]

>>21303358
Are you trying to make a point here? It is silly to imply that 7 languages is something normal and not a magnificent achievement.

[Anonymous No.21303480]

>>21303470
>I can get a burrito with English just fine.
Regardless of any political, racial, or cultural opinions - you are a fucking clown if you learn Latin and French and can't speak a word of Spanish. It's so easy that you have to go out of your way to learn 10 languages and avoid it. It's actually not as cool and edgy as you think. Cervantes is worth reading and Spain is worth visiting. You can learn Castilian to read. You needn't bother with Latin America if you so opposed to easy sex and a cheap vacation.

[Anonymous No.21303483]

>>21303478
>It is silly to imply that 7 languages is something normal and not a magnificent achievement.
Yes it is silly. Which is probably why it was said tongue and cheek. I was referring to "cultured" men like he was mentioning.

[Anonymous No.21303532]

>>21303483
Okay so what's your point then? That you disagree with something >>21303235 said?

[Anonymous No.21303574]

>>21303532
No I was just adding some languages that most cultured men learned before our shit modernity since he was trying to model himself after people like Enoch Powell or John Milton.

[Anonymous No.21303870]

Weren't most Japanese Kanji imported from Classical Chinese, semantics and all? There were simplifications and some of the meanings shifted, but I feel Classical Chinese should still be extremely helpful to someone learning Japanese in the future.
I'm only able to find experiences of people who know modern Chinese, and it seems they're able to tell general themes of a Japanese text, but Classical Chinese should be much more useful than that, no?

[Anonymous No.21303896]

>>21302354
>What's your native tongue, by the way?
Italian + local dialect(sometimes further cognates appear in the latter that aren't common in Italian)
>English version or Italian version?
Italian, indeed, it's such a gem, really enjoyed it

[Anonymous No.21304644]

bump

[Anonymous No.21304722]

>>21303870
A lot of the readings came from middle chinese (CC isn't a spoken language with any set pronunciation, just written), but there was a shared literary corpus across the whole region that was in classical chinese so it could definitely help to be familiar with it I suppose. Similar would probably apply for vietnamese and korean iff you were aiming for literary knowledge of those languages.

On the other hand, I think there's a lot of classical chinese resources and commentary that are written in Japanese, so knowing Japanese could definitely help you in that direction (and probably more so than learning CC to help learn Japanese).

A lot of the classical readings/meanings for hanzi are completely different in modern chinese, but you still get lots of set phrases and sayings that reference classical chinese and if you aren't familiar with it they won't make any sense to you if you try to interpret them as modern chinese.

As another anon here said: "You don't 'get good' at classical chinese, you just get good at looking things up"

I'm no expert tho so maybe one of the other two wenyanons has something more coherent to say

[Anonymous No.21304935]

χίρετε. ἀπὸ τοῦ ἀρχοῦ βινῆσαι ὑμᾶς ἐθέλω

[Anonymous No.21304973]

>>21303068
My boy legit learnt a classical language just to larp, in awe at the discipline of this lad.
>>21303235
I just read old books. It's pretty cool that this is how you get your motivation though.

[Anonymous No.21305163]

>>21303896
>local dialect
Oh? Do tell.

I'm going through the Italian version but I'm not used to learning a language via Italian, but I still trek through the Italian version because it's so much better than the English. I also can use it to practice Italian so lol

I live in Japan right now, but I am from the USA. English is my native tongue, but I've also taught myself Spanish, Italian, Japanese, etc.

[Anonymous No.21305313]

>>21303870
I’m fluent in modern Japanese and know some CC - they’re not similar at all. CC offers insights into certain words and structures but obscures others. I don’t think it would be any more useful than modern Chinese for a student of Japanese, i.e. you get 90% of the kanji forms for free but that’s about it, you still have to learn the readings and the actual vocab and almost all the grammar.

[Anonymous No.21305364]

>>21305313
>>21304722
Thanks. I know that pronunciation and grammar are completely different, the question was really only about Kanji, which seems to be the thing that Japanese learners have most trouble with.
But if you say that CC won't be of greater help than modern, then I'm taking your word for it.

[Anonymous No.21305410]

>>21305313
日本人ですか?

どこから来ましたか?

[Anonymous No.21305545]

>>21305163
oh little things, couldn't recall them all, I'm referring in particular to words in the dialect(north Sardinia) that either don't have a similar cognate in Italian or maybe it's an archaic word, like sémita, favellare or onde, where the latter is only used with the specific meaning of "hence", while in my dialect in the form of "undi" stands generically for 'where', like Italian dove < de + ubi
then there's also words whose meanings are slightly different even if coming from the same root, like ampulla > Italian ampolla aka cruet, while we have "ambula" which means any bottle, or cathedra > Italian cattedra aka teacher's desk, while we have "catréa" meaning any stool or chair(which also keeps the Greek accent, I wonder if it's a byzantine borrowing)
some don't seem to be in standard Italian like ianna < ianua(same meaning, door) or bacculu < baculum(only a walking cane), etc.., can't think of others
an interesting one popped up from Greek the other day which doesn't seem to have immediate cognates in Italian, I was reading Xenophon and encountered λάκκος, which means either pit or tank, and after checking I realized we have more or less the same word with a very similar meaning, laccu

[Anonymous No.21305791]

Classical languages are so cool. Shame I'm never going to learn any of them and will simply stick to shitposting here.

[Anonymous No.21305862]

>>21305791
if you want you can learn them dude , which one are you interested in ?

[Anonymous No.21306112]

>>21305545
Interesting! Sardinian is an interesting place linguistically.

Unfortunately a lot of stuff on Sardinian is in Italian and quite frankly I feel I'm not fully equipped to take that on yet lmao

[Anonymous No.21306139]

>>21302896
Made me? No one made me. I was just bored in my late 20s and decided now was the time. I’m an old man and self-taught. I’ll never be fluent or a real scholar, but I’m doing what I can and having fun with it.

[Anonymous No.21306145]

>>21306139
>I’ll never be fluent or a real scholar
That's a bad attitude. You create the future when you say things like that.

[Anonymous No.21306202]

>>21306145
I’ve been at it for years. I have a decent idea of the limits of my ambition and abilities.

[Anonymous No.21306227]

>>21306202
>the limits
No such thing. You impose those limits on yourself. You can do anything that you want. Your mentality creates your reality. If you strive for fluency and die at 98 years old still not fluent, what bad thing is going to happen? Nothing will happen. Set goals that are just out of your reach.

[Anonymous No.21306246]

>>21306227
> Your mentality creates your reality

This is backwards.

> Set goals that are just out of your reach.

I don’t’t set goals at all.

[Anonymous No.21306250]

>>21306246
I will pray for you.

[Anonymous No.21306270]

>>21306250
I don’t really get prayer, but gratias tibi ago.