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All his life he tried so hard to do without God, to be an atheist, to be enough for himself, but like Ahab, like Ivan, like Antigone, he failed utterly in his quest. And while the others are only made up characters, Nietzsche is the real life embodiment of the atheist: a failed one. Nietzsche was the modern Christ. And I am not talking about the hollywood version of atheism we have today, atheism is not the negation of the divine but it is prior to both the negation and the affirmation of God, to be outside of God and still remain. What a loser.

>> No.21299050

>>21299043
Atheist or not, most people die losers anon.

>> No.21299054

>loser
you or the legions of interchangeable midwits who for all intents and purposes are also you make this thread every day 10 times a day

get a life

>> No.21299062

What would "success" have looked like?

>> No.21299067

>>21299062
probably being talked about and obsessed over by generations to come
oh wait

>> No.21299078

Idk anon I’ve been studying him for the better part of a year now and I feel the exact opposite. I actually read his books, essays and study though so our mileage probably differs.

>> No.21299097

>>21299062
Success to Americans is fucking whores and having a lot of money.

>> No.21299107

>>21299078
how so? Nietzsche never got rid of God, no matter how hard he tried.

>> No.21299142

>>21299062
to die an atheist, but like the man on the cross in his final moments he cried out to the big guy above

>> No.21299191

>>21299043
>to be an atheist
Dionysus

>to be outside of God
"Also his hero-will hath he still to unlearn: an exalted one shall he be, and not only a sublime one:—the ether itself should raise him, the will-less one!
He hath subdued monsters, he hath solved enigmas. But he should also redeem his monsters and enigmas; into heavenly children should he transform them.
As yet hath his knowledge not learned to smile, and to be without jealousy; as yet hath his gushing passion not become calm in beauty.
Verily, not in satiety shall his longing cease and disappear, but in beauty! Gracefulness belongeth to the munificence of the magnanimous."

>> No.21299202

all he needed was a gf

>> No.21299228

>>21299043
>All his life he tried so hard to do without God
Nietzsche differentiated between:
- 'spider-god' (GM III:9; A:18) that tries to present oneself as good, but is actually deadly and long-term ruinous.
- and 'the devil' (BGE: 37; TSZ II: "Manly Prudence") aka Dionysus - that hurts you (BGE: 295), but actually means well, trying to make you to grow through pain.
The true savior is not Jesus, but the forthcoming "anti-Christ and anti-nihilist".

>> No.21299235

>>21299043
He failed because he literally spent doing nothing all his life.

>> No.21299257

>>21299235
Classical philology is like Bible Studies, but with Homer, Plato, and Thucydides as your scripture.
De facto it is priestly education, i.e. learning how to provide answers on life-meaning to the plebs.

>> No.21299297

>>21299228
The true savior is not Jesus, but the forthcoming "anti-Christ and anti-nihilist".

i can see that, you may be right in that

>> No.21299303

>>21299062
Selling more than 200 copies of Beyond Good and Evil during his lifetime.

>> No.21299396

>>21299202
True that

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>>21299043
>Basically this.

>> No.21300183

>>21300074
>rejection of Intelligence and a Cosmic Order
"antiquity could point to examples of real misfortunes, misfortunes that were pure and innocent; it was only with the advent of Christianity that all punishment became well-merited punishment"

>world, too, is absurd
>The task, therefore, is self-transcendence
"Suffering was it, and impotence—that created all backworlds; and the short madness of happiness, which only the greatest sufferer experienceth.
Weariness, which seeketh to get to the ultimate with one leap, with a death-leap; a poor ignorant weariness, unwilling even to will any longer: that created all Gods and backworlds.
Believe me, my brethren! It was the body which despaired of the body—it groped with the fingers of the infatuated spirit at the ultimate walls.
Believe me, my brethren! It was the body which despaired of the earth—it heard the bowels of existence speaking unto it.
And then it sought to get through the ultimate walls with its head—and not with its head only—into “the other world.”
But that “other world” is well concealed from man, that dehumanised, inhuman world, which is a celestial naught; and the bowels of existence do not speak unto man, except as man
<...>
A new pride taught me mine ego, and that teach I unto men: no longer to thrust one’s head into the sand of celestial things, but to carry it freely, a terrestrial head, which giveth meaning to the earth!
<...>
The sick and perishing—it was they who despised the body and the earth, and invented the heavenly world, and the redeeming blood-drops; but even those sweet and sad poisons they borrowed from the body and the earth!
From their misery they sought escape, and the stars were too remote for them. Then they sighed: “O that there were heavenly paths by which to steal into another existence and into happiness!” Then they contrived for themselves their by-paths and bloody draughts!
Beyond the sphere of their body and this earth they now fancied themselves transported, these ungrateful ones. But to what did they owe the convulsion and rapture of their transport? To their body and this earth."

>> No.21300192

>>21299043
>to be an atheist,
You never read Nietzsche.

>> No.21300196

>>21299107
>Nietzsche never got rid of God, no matter how hard he tried.
You never read Nietzsche

>> No.21300251

>>21299043
>All his life he tried so hard to do without God
t. didn't read Nietzsche

>> No.21300268

>>21299043
>All his life he tried
okay you might have read his biography

>> No.21300283

New to /lit/
Why do so many anons hate nietzsche?
There are 4 threads up right now just shitting on him?
I came here to see if there are any threads on him since I am reading TSZ and finding it fascinating
Are these anons the tarantulas he spoke about?

>> No.21300323

>>21300283
It is the Christian disease that we have unfortunately. They never read Nietzsche or care to read him. They just like to be angry because their whole religion is built on resentment

>> No.21300405

>>21299043
He also died childless and miserable as it is usually the case with ath*ists

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>> No.21300438

>>21299191
>Dionysus
Not believed in theistically since all metaphysics is psychological projection for Nietzsche.

>> No.21300449

>>21299043
Nietzsche plagiarized most of his ideas
And then twisted them, called them his own..
Wrong, mf was a demon so he died like one..

>> No.21300451

>>21299202
>>21299396
all of the "I could have fixed him" thots, your ancestors failed Western philosophy

>> No.21300614

>>21299043
On the contrary, his downfall was necessary for the Ubermensch. See Zarathustra.

>> No.21300762

>>21299043
I hate when pseud faggots gratuitously namedrop literary names to appear "cultured" or "knowledgeable", but it's actually very clear they don't know much about anything. Antigone? Really? Did you just finish reading Sophocles or something?