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Anonymous Mon Nov 14 03:47:53 2022 No.21253837 [Reply] [Original]

>Tell me about a complicated man.
Who fuck does that bitch think she is?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 03:53:23 2022 No.21253863 >>21253837 She has no ego, only self.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 03:54:00 2022 No.21253868 >>21253863 She has no talent, only nepotism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 04:46:22 2022 No.21254012 >>21253837 >write in Iambic >use predominantly one syllable words >called genius >get $500,000 honk honk

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 04:52:09 2022 No.21254026 >>21253837 The fact that Emily Wilson rustles so many anons jimmies makes me like here. Perhaps I’ll buy her book to give her some money

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 05:00:06 2022 No.21254043 >>21254012 >get $500,000 No way >>21254026 >buying le shit book to own your fellow /lit/bros cringe

Anonymous Mon Nov 14 07:12:19 2022 No.21254391 [DELETED]

>>21253837
I actually think she does an okay job of rendering the ancient Greek poetic voice into a form similar to popular modern poetic forms. It is at the point where she talks about Odysseus' men and Helios that she really falls on her face. She completely loses both poetic voice and meaning there, and for the next three or so lines at least.

I can't read the original Greek, only compare with other translations, so I'm sure it's even worse than I could imagine.

Anonymous Mon Nov 14 07:15:16 2022 No.21254396
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>>21253837
I actually think she does an okay job of rendering the ancient Greek poetic voice into a form similar to popular modern poetic forms. It is at the point where she talks about Odysseus' men and Helios that she really falls on her face. She completely loses both poetic voice and meaning there, and for the next three or so lines at least.

I can't read the original Greek, only compare with other translations, so I'm sure it's even worse than I could imagine.

Still, I love her type.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 07:22:04 2022 No.21254407 >>21254396 >Still, I love her type. Her type of what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 07:36:00 2022 No.21254425 >>21253837 She has no ego, only self.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 07:54:05 2022 No.21254465 >>21254425 kys doublefag

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 08:03:19 2022 No.21254482 File: 2.27 MB, 3072x4096, IMG20221114100157.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21253837 This makes 4chins sneed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 08:05:16 2022 No.21254485 >>21254026 This is exactly my reasoning for reading her translation. Fuck stuck up assholes pretending to read older versions.

Anonymous Mon Nov 14 08:14:58 2022 No.21254518

>>21254482
>not even using an expensive new gen kindle
Pretty weak effort to trigger /lit/. Come on, you have to put your money where your mouth is and buy the more expensive things that /lit/ doesn't like to really own those chuds properly. Not just some cheap ass $2 ebook and a kobo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 08:15:26 2022 No.21254519 >>21254485 >pretending I love how plebs think readers better than them must be "pretending" if they don't read the retarded goyslop version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 08:17:27 2022 No.21254523 >>21254485 >pretending What the fuck do you think people have read prior to the Wilson translation? Not everyone is some fucking zoomer like you and many of us had to read the Odyssey in school.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 08:22:04 2022 No.21254538 >>21254396 she looks like she smells and has a bad breath

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 08:26:43 2022 No.21254547 >>21254519 Anyone saying 'goyslop' is a 14-year-old larping an intellectual. >>21254523 Kek defensive much?

Anonymous Mon Nov 14 08:54:34 2022 No.21254600

>>21254547
Why would people have to be defensive for having read a proper translation of the Odyssey? You seem to be the one who has to defend your decision to read an objectively inferior and politicized version of this classic and instead of defending the actual merit of the translation, you are defending it by saying it has value purely because it makes people with higher standards than yourself mad that it exists. Which is kind of pathetic if you ask me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 09:27:50 2022 No.21254654 >>21254547 >NOOOOO, NEVER IN HISTORY HAS POLITICAL PROPAGANDA BEEN PUSHED THROUGH LITERATURE, STOP BEING A SCHIZO, YOU UNDERAGE RETARD, WE LIFE IN A DAYMUHCRACY

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 09:36:03 2022 No.21254667 >>21254026 Oh, no chudbros. He is consoooming! Isn't that so radical? We sure got told.

Anonymous Mon Nov 14 10:09:58 2022 No.21254711
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>>21254407
Slightly frumpy, bookish, cuties who look like they could get very excited talking about obscure nerdy things, or fly off the hat and get angry about trivial intellectual things no one else cares about. Women whose eyes tell me they live in their heads more than outside of it, and resultantly, their gaze never quite looks comfortable extroverting themselves. Long necks and broad foreheads are a plus, but not necessary.

I'm nearly the same as them, except I come across confidently, can blend in well most circumstances, and often get put in charge of others, but inwardly, I'm as bored as they are and would rather have heady discussions about obscura that bores the masses to death.

>>21254538
Woah! Take it easyy! That woman's a bibliophile, have some decency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 11:32:51 2022 No.21254847 >>21254600 what´s a non politicized translation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 13:47:06 2022 No.21255350 >>21254600 >You seem to be the one who has to projecting lmao

Anonymous Mon Nov 14 13:50:55 2022 No.21255370

>>21254654
Imagine thinking you need to care about political propaganda. Just ignore it lmao and read the story idiot. The entire Odyssey is just pushing the idea of men being nice to each other as a basis for a colonial system. You think that's not ancient greek prop?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 13:56:31 2022 No.21255390 File: 41 KB, 512x564, 1593048086140.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21253837 Should have really fucked with the chuds by using non-gendered language. >Tell me about a complicated person

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 14:09:46 2022 No.21255437 I would rather read the pidgin/ebonics version for giggles

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 14:11:45 2022 No.21255442 File: 11 KB, 500x356, 8494921.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21254396 >popular modern poetic forms But that's horrible and not poetry at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 14:27:13 2022 No.21255482 I prefer the writings of Bee Wilson 2bh.

>>	Your mothers bull Mon Nov 14 14:37:17 2022 No.21255515 >>21254026 Imagine thinking something is good just because your intellectual superiors hate on it. Literal capeshit consoomer behavior.

Anonymous Mon Nov 14 14:52:40 2022 No.21255554

>>21253837
the actual point of that translation is to be easy enough for zoomers to read. literacy levels are falling and a lot of the people that get admitted to american colleges these days would struggle to make sense of lattimore or fagles. that creates the need for a translation that uses simple language, smooths out all the rough edges etc.

this is then masked with a bunch of vague references to progressive social issues, the fact that it's by a woman etc, so that the switch to an easier translation can be presented as a moral choice and not a sign of the ongoing decay of education. when /lit/ whines about the translation in culture war terms it only shows the misdirection was successful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 15:03:24 2022 No.21255594 >>21253837 Stupid frogposter

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 15:08:45 2022 No.21255616 >>21253837 I wonder how many anons criticizing the Wilson translation have actually read it. And I wonder how many of those anons can read Ancient Greek to compare it properly

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 15:10:09 2022 No.21255620 >>21254600 based you BTFO that pleb

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 15:11:10 2022 No.21255624 >>21255390 ywnbaw

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 15:14:09 2022 No.21255634 >>21254711 She's a post-wall mediocre woman. You're blind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 19:26:43 2022 No.21256625 >>21255634 There's nothing mediocre about a woman who spends her time in the Greek epics. You've forgotten the definition of the word; and that dim gaze of yours doesn't see well either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 19:28:15 2022 No.21256628 >>21255442 I don't disagree with you, on average, yet I still think there's some merit for posterity in making a try at a truly modern translation. For those to come after us, it would be a thing of historical fascination.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 19:29:25 2022 No.21256630 >>21256625 I was clearly referring to her looks. And what's the point of her reading Greek poetry if she produces an ugly version from her ugly soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 20:51:45 2022 No.21256995 >>21256630 I only see one ugly soul here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 20:53:58 2022 No.21257003 >>21256995 It's Emily Wilson's.

Anonymous Mon Nov 14 20:58:48 2022 No.21257022

>>21256628
Honestly I can't see any ingenuity in it. It's just a degeneration the type and forms of which are expressed commonly in our culture and will be recorded easily. That is, there's nothing of Homer in it, it's just the language of Rupi Kaur. Which has nothing original in it. It's just plainly bad, and laughable as a translation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 20:59:50 2022 No.21257033 >>21254396 >She looks like she fucks ______ Well?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 20:59:51 2022 No.21257034 >>21256625 You mean spends her time mercilessly butchering Greek epics while engaging in currish canine copulation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 21:01:25 2022 No.21257043 >>21257033 editors

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 14 21:04:18 2022 No.21257053 File: 149 KB, 1500x1088, bcttblhansc31.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21254485 HOLY FUCKING BASED CHUDS DESTROYED

Anonymous Tue Nov 15 00:27:12 2022 No.21257780
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>The man, O Muse, inform, that many a way
>Wound with his wisdom to his wished stay;
>That wandered wondrous far, when he the town
>Of sacred Troy had sack'd and shivered down;
>The cities of a world of nations,
>With all their manners, minds, and fashions,
>He saw and knew; at sea felt many woes,
>Much care sustained, to save from overthrows
>Himself and friends in their retreat for home;
>But so their fates he could not overcome,
>Though much he thirsted it. O men unwise,
>They perish'd by their own impieties,
>That in their hunger's rapine would not shun
>The oxen of the lofty-going Sun,
>Who therefore from their eyes the day bereft
>Of safe return. These acts, in some part left,
>Tell us, as others, deified Seed of Jove.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 15 00:31:58 2022 No.21257792 >that video where she's doing a Q&A and a native Greek speaker corrects her pronunciation and she's just awkwardly smiling and nodding like nothing is happening

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