/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21253205]

utterly btfos neopagans

[Anonymous No.21253215]

>the Jewish-Christian revelation

[Anonymous No.21253222]

>(((the discernment of a small minority)))
Literally every Christian Nationalist candidate did nothing but waste millions of dollars. Turns out, no one wants this garbage! Weird, who'd have thought?

[Anonymous No.21253233]

>>21253215
Yeah that's a weird identification.

[Anonymous No.21253236]

Daily reminder that every Christian organization, Church, group and thought supports the state of Israel, the Jews and their continual exploitation of Europe and the West. There is only one means to ending this exploitation.

[Anonymous No.21253267]

>>21253205
Christian apologists never bother to understand what their opponents arguments are even about and simply spit out pilpul. Here the writer has honed in on the myth of Dionysus Zagreus to compare it to the death of Jesus. Generally Nietzsche uses Dionysus in contrast to Apollo, as an attack on rationality—which he does later moderate, but the focus is hardly on comparing their deaths in some kind of Frazer-esque way. Seems to have sailed over the apologist's head, as he is too obsessed with negating the death of God and running away from the accusation that Christianity is the worship of weakness. Whoever wrote this is especially useless—the early Christian apologists would at least quote their wiser opponents at length while here one may wonder what Nietzsche wrote. One cannot understand the equivocation of Dionysus and "The Crucified" without having read Anti-Christ, either, since Jesus is considered to have set an example by his ressentiment-free death, his amor fati if you will, while the CHRISTian glorification of it is the jealous opposite, the refusal to accept it.

[Anonymous No.21253270]

>>21253236
Working for the FBI?

[Anonymous No.21253278]

>>21253205
Wow. He really does make an impressive argument. This is Girard? Which work?
>>21253236
Christians do not fear death (or should not, at least), even if they may fear the short-lived pain leading up to it. However, there is indeed only one ending, and God has already made it plain. The nations will rise against Israel again in the last days, and this time, He will stop it Himself - even as before, they were scattered by His hand.

Besides, what right has the West to moan about exploitation? The West was built on exploitation - as was Rome, as was Egypt, as was Babylon. If we are being exploited, it is just the natural course of recompense at work, and that too has its end.

>>21253222
>millions of dollars
You have no idea what you're talking about clearly. The US gov't spends so much money on a given day, that it could literally spend the entire net worth of all the world's billionaires in less than a year. This has nothing to do with any supposed religious affiliation of candidates. It is a gluttonous habit, built on 50+ years of deficit spending, and a global system designed to gradually implode upon itself in spectacular fashion.

[Anonymous No.21253284]

>>21253267
>begins with a generalization
dropped

[Anonymous No.21253285]

>>21253236
what about Armenian Christians and Christian Lebanese?

[Anonymous No.21253291]

>>21253278
I see satan fall like lightning

[Anonymous No.21253305]

>>21253291
Read the Bible. So many "Christians" creating false versions of God to justify their own sins or prejudices. It's difficult to understand. Just read your Bible.

[Anonymous No.21253308]

>>21253205
>my blind faith is more valid than yours

[Anonymous No.21253311]

>>21253308
A complete mischaracterization of both arguments...

[Anonymous No.21253315]

>>21253311
Faith can not be btfo'd, that is what makes it faith.

[Anonymous No.21253319]

>>21253315
Ah, I see. You're commenting on his subtext, not the text he posted as an image.

[Anonymous No.21253325]

>>21253305
stop talking like a woman.
Girard's anthroplogy is legitimate and does not contradict the faith

[Anonymous No.21253328]

>>21253319
If you were half as intelligent as you pretend to be than that would have been obvious.

[Anonymous No.21253333]

>>21253325
You're the one screeching, miss. Besides, I never said it did.

[Anonymous No.21253339]

>>21253328
He said, in a decisively pseud fashion. If you were intelligent at all, you would have read OP's image and commented on that instead.

[Anonymous No.21253341]

>>21253284
I'm not wrong. Remember, we're dealing with people who have "faith" in fairy tales and consider that as form of knowledge. I'd sooner accept "it was revealed to me in a dream;" at least we can all have dreams. Can we all force ourselves to believe an unreal history?

[Anonymous No.21253347]

>>21253341
Elaborating doesn't help your case. It just makes you seem weak.

[Anonymous No.21253354]

>>21253347
I don't care what a /lit/ christlarper thinks. This is for the benefit of third parties. If "generalization" is so terrible, how much worse are those whose objections to them amount to "just trust me."

[Anonymous No.21253359]

>>21253354
I never asked for your trust. In fact, I never made an argument. I merely rejected yours, as its entire foundation is weak. No third party will benefit from anything you've said here. At best, you'll reinforce the stupidity of some imbecile who wanders in.

[Anonymous No.21253360]

>>21253339
What I am getting from this is that you are OP. You assume I did not read it.

[Anonymous No.21253363]

>>21253205
lol i gave this a chance, but the author in the opening lines admits Jesus is Dionysus.. like.. yeah.. really beat the fuck out of non-jews there, muh lil shabbas goy.

[Anonymous No.21253376]

>>21253347
lol
"don't speak rationally to us, it makes you look weak,"
christian in 2022

[Anonymous No.21253389]

>>21253359
Well let me spell it out for you: The Christian apologist has to defend something that didn't happen, and builds his entire system around this. He is lying as soon as his mouth opens. He can only mischaracterize the opposing view. Lest we forget Paul's advice to avoid the prideful sin of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.21253403]

>>21253233
It's from a book titled "The Victory of the Cross". I'm sure the author simply made a mistake.

[Anonymous No.21253468]

>>21253333
>never said it did.
>creating false versions of God
you cant or are unwilling to articulate yourself competently, so I will cease communication with you past this post

[Anonymous No.21253501]

>>21253333
>>21253468
You mean, you're going to be strangled to death in a dark room and your body thrown away, nobody knowing what happened, and you can't even be bothered to present a case for your defense?

[Anonymous No.21253699]

>>21253360
Hahaha, no. Wrong. I'm not OP. Just stop already. You got butthurt so easily to begin with, and you're just making a complete fool of yourself now.

>>21253363
>>21253376
>>21253389
>>21253403
>>21253468
>>21253501
I've been away from the computer, socializing like a normal for all of that seething rage. Isn't that sad? Doesn't seem rational to me.

Anyway, you're not the reason I keep coming to this thread, so let's stop talking. Neither of us has anything to gain from further repartee.

[Anonymous No.21253761]

>>21253501
Those are two different posters btw.

[Anonymous No.21253773]

>>21253761
I know. I want them to fight harder by introducing the element of urgency and threat into the discussion. One or the other of them will stop lying and treat the subject more seriously.

Oh.. they didn't. Thatwuz loik an hour ago. fail. damn.

[Anonymous No.21253807]

I don't really think this guy debunks Nietzsche here, the resentment Nietzsche is talking about is something more like "value reversal" than "an affect of seething impotent rage". N's claim was that "Christian morality" was a conscious rebellion against the Warrior-Aristocratic "pagan" morality that seemed to be the natural or default morality of the rest of the world.
This from N
>In the other case, suffering—the "Crucified as the innocent one"—counts as an objection to this life
is not debunked by this baseless claim
>the reversal of the mythic scheme as an indisputable truth that only Judaism and Christianity proclaim
The author doesn't explain how the act of reversing one morality results in a truer morality. He might be right that Nietzsche went overboard by insinuating that Christians were all just self-interested cynical rats trying to subvert the strong in a conscious plot, but that doesn't mean that Christian morality is then somehow "correct".
With that said, the basic Christian moral stance was undoubtedly highly revolutionary and influential. It does definitely represent a kind of sickness with or wish to be rid of the cyclical sense of history that pagans cherished because of how brutal and hopeless it was. The imagery of "the wolf laying down with the lamb" or "the meek inheriting the earth" is extremely powerful for oppressed people looking for peace and dignity, All the more revolutionary precisely because a wolf laying down with a lamb is such an obvious contradiction of biological facts and the "laws of nature". I do think that the Christian revolution was successful because of how pointedly irrational it was, from the perspective of something like natural selection. The author would still have to explain why this revolt against nature is true though

[Anonymous No.21253889]

This guy basically says that Judeo-Christianity anticipated shitliberalism therefore Judeo-Christianity and not shitliberalism should reign. Problem with this is that shitlibs radicalized the revolutionary egalitarianism of Jesus and Paul to the point that Christianity itself came to be seen as repressive and evil. Also because "human rights exist because I say they do" is a compelling moral foundation for shitlibs so there is no need for God in moral philosophy anymore

[Anonymous No.21254051]

>monotheists have shitty midwit takes

What a surprise. Monotheism is a mental disorder and should be outlawed

[Anonymous No.21254395]

>>21254051
You expect anything else from tradlarpers?

[Anonymous No.21254625]

[Anonymous No.21254700]

>>21253205
>to defend the victims unjustly condemned
Nietzsche raises the problem of compassion physiologically causing you additional pain, causing you to blame someone (masking it as being "just")
Nietzsche raises the problem of the Christian notion of justice as vengeance.

>he doesn't see or want to see the injustice of the violence
Nietzsche raises the problem of the "normativity"-speak, causing the very violence, and gradually mutating from violence unto the out-group competiotors - to violence towards oneself.

>an indisputable truth that only Judaism and Christianity proclaim
lol

>myths
>mimetic contagion
the only-game-in-town effect

>its commitment to the side of victims
>in its concern to rehabilitate victims
In order to be compassionate to them you must not be compassionate to them. What's so hard to comprehend, faggot?

"In human beings, creature and creator are united. In man is material stuff, fragments, excess, clay, mud, nonsense, chaos, but in man there is also creator, artist, hammer hardness, the divinity of the spectator and the seventh day—do you understand this contrast? And do you understand that your pity for the “creature in man” is for what must be formed, broken, forged, torn apart, burned, glow, purified—for what must necessarily suffer and should suffer? And our pity—don’t you understand for whom our reverse pity matters, when it protects itself against your pity as against the most wretched of all mollycoddling and weakness?—And thus pity against pity!—"