Have we all been psyop'd into believing the lord of the rings is actually good?

[Anonymous No.21251930]

Because it's incredibly boring

[Anonymous No.21251934]

Read Kalevala

[Anonymous No.21251942]

>>21251930
It's for intelligent people, so you shouldn't feel bad about not understanding it.

[Anonymous No.21251952]

>>21251934
Is it genuinely worth reading I've heard mixed opinions on it
>>21251942
It's not that I can't understand it, it's just dull

[Anonymous No.21251954]

>>21251952
>Is it genuinely worth reading I've heard mixed opinions on it

Maybe stick to YA Fantasy fiction if you are afraid of actual mythology

[Anonymous No.21251979]

I’m turning your shitpost into an actual interesting thread you fucking faggot. Anyways, do any anons know of Tolkien’s allegorical potentialities in terms of what he thought about the war or culture in his time more generally? How did this change his writing? The received wisdom is either that “he plunged himself deep into fantasy to escape the harsh realities of war” or “the orcs are niggers and the elves are Chinese people”. Why are both of these analyses for what the inspirations of his books could be or were so surface level and gay? It seems that modern liberal minds can’t contend with ideas like fellowship or the eternal glory of battle and violence. It seems that Tolkien praises these kinds of themes and understood self-actualization through physical action and higher ideals of community and truth (unlike globohomo shills who sit around thinking society can simply run on the taste of niggercock and funkopops alone). What gives? Are there any letters of his or writings remarking on this Trina of an author who’s work goes completely ignored in terms of consequence? Because he’s a fantasy writer he doesn’t they the same treatment as others. Am I really supposed to believe that while critics prowess Jordan Peele as some kind of lyrical abstractionist Freudian genius of film.

[Anonymous No.21251987]

>>21251979
>Anyways, do any anons know of Tolkien’s allegorical potentialities in terms of what he thought about the war or culture in his time more generally?

LOTR is about small people (Hobbits) fighting against strong oppressor (Mordor). Tolkien himself stated this was inspired by the Winter War of small Finland who bravely resisted Soviet Union. Tolkien himself was obsessed with Finland and considered himself a "Fennoman"-iac. Pic related.

LOTR is mostly about struggle of Finnish nation and even the whole mythology is basically just re-telling of Kalevala. I can provide academic studies if someone challenges this view.

[Anonymous No.21252008]

>>21251930
It's for intelligent people, so you shouldn't feel bad about not understanding it.

[Anonymous No.21252013]

>>21251930
>it's incredibly boring
You are reading it wrong then

[Anonymous No.21252056]

Should I read the Silmarillion?

[Anonymous No.21252069]

>>21252056
Yeah, it's like something between a bible and Norse Edda, but with pseudo-finnish gods.

[Anonymous No.21252084]

>>21251930
Hello Amazon

[Anonymous No.21252087]

>>21252013
>le reddit analysis said book was good!!

[Anonymous No.21252120]

Just stop being a monolingual anglo brainlet and read the original.

[Anonymous No.21252125]

>>21251987
>LOTR is about small people (Hobbits) fighting against strong oppressor (Mordor).
LotR is about culturally degenerated descendants of Anglo-Saxons (hobbits are distant kin to the Rohan people) fighting against the industrialization. The Anglo-Saxons in turn are themselves barbarians, in comparison to the Gondor (Romans), who in turn suck compared to the Elves.
Because all the beauty and the good were in the past, and it's only gonna get worse.

[Anonymous No.21252134]

>>21251930
Congratulations lad, you've been filtered.

[Anonymous No.21252139]

>>21251952
>It's not that I can't understand it, it's just dull
Being able to read words doesn't mean you understand something.

[Anonymous No.21252141]

>>21251979
That first line is so atrocious I just can't bring myself to read the second one.

[Anonymous No.21252146]

>>21252120
>pedo melon teleporno
No, thanks

[Anonymous No.21252243]

>>21252013
>>21252087

[Anonymous No.21252266]

>>21251930
>this thread again

[Anonymous No.21252292]

>>21252243

[Anonymous No.21252301]

>>21251930
The movies were entertaining, and the English haven’t had a good writer in a while. Tolkien fills that empty cultural hole

[Anonymous No.21252304]

>>21252301
Name 1 (one) good non-English writer of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.21252342]

here's a tip, OP. when you get to the part with the eagles, you can just skip to the end when they're throwing the ring in the volcano. it was a big mistake Tolkien overlooked and this should solve your problem. hope that helps!

[Anonymous No.21252344]

Is Children of Húrin worth of a read?

[Anonymous No.21252369]

>>21252344
You've already read the essential part of the story in the Silmarillion, the rest is just some additional flavor text.

[Anonymous No.21252376]

>>21251930
It's mostly just because it was one of the 'first' 'epic adventure' novels that took place over multiple books
It's literally on par with Harry Potter but focuses on the 'epic' genre.

Essentially it's shilled a modern day version of the Illiad
It was just an attempt at Tolkien to make use of his language degree

[Anonymous No.21252410]

>>21252376
>It's literally on par with Harry Potter
HP: "To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure."
LotR: "But it’s like things are in the world. Hopes fail. An end comes. We have only a little time to wait now. We are lost in ruin and downfall, and there is no escape."

Feel the difference.

[Anonymous No.21252438]

>>21252410
One was designed by a based woman and the other designed by a dude trying to get into a book because his life teaching was a waste?

[Anonymous No.21252440]

>>21252243

[Anonymous No.21252442]

>>21252376
>it was one of the 'first' 'epic adventure' novels
>It's literally on par with Harry Potter
One can keep returning to LotR in search for wisdom. It is generally sound advice.

"The further you go, the less easy will it be to withdraw; yet no oath or bond is laid on you to go further than you will. For you do not yet know the strength of your hearts, and you cannot foresee what each may meet upon the road.'
`Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens,' said Gimli.
'Maybe,' said Elrond, `but let him not vow to walk in the dark, who has not seen the nightfall.'
'Yet sworn word may strengthen quaking heart,' said Gimli.
`Or break it,' said Elrond."


Yet, one can hardly find anything of worth in Harry Potter. It is literally full of "the power of love" bullshit.

[Anonymous No.21252486]

>>21251930
is "Psyops" the new meme now? if you cant understand or something doesnt appeal to you, its either reddit or a psyop?

[Anonymous No.21252552]

>>21252125
>Because all the beauty and the good were in the past, and it's only gonna get worse.

While clearly there is a lot of this earlier on the book, the final message, the actual end of the story, is that even if god and magic have left us the common man can still make a better future trough his actions, both big and small.

[Anonymous No.21252577]

>>21252442
>through the power of love we can overcome Sauron, sacrifice ourselves and see unto the 4th age

Yeah great fucking lesson there

[Anonymous No.21252591]

He seemed concerned with industrialization and the Orc Hordes symbolized this. It’s why the Ents attacked Isengard and the hobbits clearly represent a balance with nature. During his time nazis were the ones spearheading the modern environmentalist movements from their various Volkish sympathies. The autobahn was designed with nature in mind and it’s why the Hitler Youth focused on nature hikes and fitness. They were the first political group to ever try to ban smoking. Considering this where does this place Tolkein?

[Anonymous No.21252601]

>>21251930
you mean you don't like reading 100 pages of the book equivalent of the tutorial section?

[Anonymous No.21252605]

>>21252243
Big kek

[Anonymous No.21252620]

>>21252440
>comparing a holy text to fantasy trash
Imagine not being able to see anything through another lens than consoooomption. Fuck you anon

[Anonymous No.21252678]

>>21252620
>NOOOOO you can't just compare MY fantasy texts to OTHER fantasy texts

[Anonymous No.21252761]

>>21251930
The more I think on it and read it, while I appreciate Tolkien's ability to make worlds and languages and think he was much better than any of his critical imitators, like Michael Moorcock or George Martin, I think his work is very overrated. The characters are dull, the dialogue is dull, the setting's themes and tone are all over the place, and the material out of Lord of the Rings in stuff like The Silmarillion is too incoherent and inconsistent to enjoy. His work is much more flawed than the majority of people think, I think.

>>21252243
This, especially when the Silmarillion entirely boils down to
>here's morgoth, he's very dangerous, watch out!
>and now he's running away in complete terror of everyone and gets crippled by an elf
>riveting high-stakes perilous story

[Anonymous No.21252764]

>>21252410
See, that's the inconsistency of LotR. It'll wax poetic about how things end and how peril and ruin seem omnipresent, then gives us immortal characters like Glorfindel, Earendil, or the Valar who are invincible, undying, and can destroy the worst evils in the world blindfolded with both hands tied. Tolkien flips between characters musing on how frail they are to demigod supermen who don't afraid of nothing.

[Anonymous No.21252845]

>>21252243
>didn't get past the first third of the book
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.21252980]

People think its boring because its mostly descriptions of hiking through various landscapes. It captures the natural beauty of traveling through woods, mountains, plains, rivers, cities, etc, its not really about "my epic battles, my superpowerful gandolf magic manablast omg he rolled out of the way and stabbed him with his epic sword wow! omg sexy ladies!" like most fantasy has devolved into

If you can appreciate nature and visualize the landscapes he writes about- its beautiful. It's like you are there on the quest yourself. If you can't, I don't blame you for finding it boring.

its an homage to the natural beauty of the world and a rebellion against the industrialization of England. Tolkin is literally quoted as saying he hates the steam trains etc. Also, see the last chapter of trilogy.

[Anonymous No.21253001]

>>21251930
>am I a completely brain fucked social media drone whose limbic system has been high-jacked by techno-capital?
>no, it is classic literature that is wrong

[Anonymous No.21253007]

>>21252304
Peter Sloterdijk.

[Anonymous No.21253124]

>>21251930
You're incredibly boring.

[Anonymous No.21253132]

>>21252980
yeah it's worth it for the nature writing alone (the supreme summit of which is pic related)

[Anonymous No.21253158]

>>21252980
>>21253132
This. While the characters and overall story aren't very good and the layout of his world doesn't make much sense, you can tell his love of nature and sense of wonder at it coming through from his stories. People talk about Tolkien like he was some anticapitalist, but he hated communism/socialism. He just didn't like industry, mainly because he had to watch the countryside getting torn apart as a kid. I remember he said the idea of Mordor being a dark land of ash and soot was based on a factory complex he saw as a kid where everything around it was caked with the stuff. It wasn't a nice sight.

[Anonymous No.21254401]

>>21251979
Tolkein's famous "I hate allegory in all of its forms" quote is in direct response to people asking if the story was written to parallel real events. It was hyperbole because no writer can have no allegory, but it is clear with context that he was referring to mapping events/factions/characters directly onto then-contemporary actors.
Why people see so many parallels is because Tolkein was successful in creating a true classic in which his actors reflect timeless concepts and struggles.

[Anonymous No.21254620]

>>21252056
read the wiki, same tone and substance, but condensed

[Anonymous No.21254681]

Everything up to the last act of TTT requires the reader to appreciate the tone and setting and the moreso the atmosphere; while everything from the fight with Shelob, and the entirety of ROTK is badass as fuck. My advice is to bear with the book up until it becomes exciting at the end of TTT, and prior to that try to appreciate the "comfiness"and world building. ROTK is defo the most exciting and engaging thing I've ever read tho, so it's worth it.

[Anonymous No.21254729]

>>21252243
You should not be allowed to read any books.

[Anonymous No.21254775]

>>21252056
I just read it it was cool, if I reread it I would keep a map next to me because there’s so many locations mentioned and most have double names and some are destroyed before lord of the rings is even close to starting.

Really it sets a high standard for supplemental material and world building, you learn about the creation of Arda and the lands of middle earth and how it was shaped and defined over time.

My question is: are the lost tales books worth reading?

[Anonymous No.21255937]

>>21252056
read these
>creation of the world
>Beren and Luthien
>Turin Turambar
then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZR-fQ0Nvq4

[Anonymous No.21256308]

>>21252678
Filtered

[Anonymous No.21256381]

>>21252980
The battle scenes are the most boring part of LotR to be honest. I prefer the chapters where they're just hiking through the wilderness, singing songs, and visiting the elves.

[Anonymous No.21256396]

>>21251934

[Anonymous No.21257857]

>>21251930
it marks the moment when ancient becomes modern

[Anonymous No.21259184]

>>21251934
You still mad at this?

[Anonymous No.21259211]

>>21252764
how can someone miss the point this much?

[Anonymous No.21259342]

>>21252486
It's the trivialization of a word to reduce its potency in actual conversation. Like how woke used to mean " we know the elites are killing innocent children in satanic blood rituals " to now where it means some faggot whining about enviromentalism.