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[Anonymous No.21248749]

Just read this and my mind is blown. Schuon is a genius, I've never seen the fundamental unity of religious traditions through their Esoteric forms demonstrated so clearly. And what was really nice is that unlike that pseud Guenon he didn't shit on Christianity in favor of the Eastern Traditions but was more than willing to give Christianity credit for being a beautiful expression of religious truth.

[Anonymous No.21249177]

>>21248749
it's the guy who lived in bloomington indiana, right? total fucking pseud. someone at a forum I like kept posting a file called "evil.pdf" which was an excerpt of schuon's work. it was incoherent gibberish. embarrassing (for you).

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.21249237]

>>21248749
It’s a great intropill book
If you like Schuon then check out his collected letters book. It’s a fun + light read. His letters to Guenon and Black Elk’s son alone are worth it.

https://youtu.be/G33mj_KvJgg

>>21249177
>it's the guy who lived in bloomington indiana, right?
that town produces legends desu

[Anonymous No.21249246]

>>21249177
>it's the guy who lived in bloomington indiana, right?
He moved there in 1980 when he was 73 years old. If a guy can't create a sex cult after 73 long years of service then you're being too harsh.

[Anonymous No.21250422]

>>21248749
normies have the same fantasy: fall from heaven, universalism, and love-hate relationship with suffering. And confusing buddhism with religions is pure atheist or hindu cope.
Like anybody else, Hindus are forced to accept that suffering exists and they really really struggle to make their Brahman compatible with it. It is the same situation for the jews and their pathetic cope for samsara as a free-will shit test by their uncaused god (if you follow god blindly then you dont have free will, if you dont then you will suffer and your life is still 100% determined by god's plan to make you suffer lol).
The Buddha has no answer to this because he doesnt care in the first place, since it's not relevant to achieve his goal. The buddha only says that there is no state of no illusion followed by a state of illusion. So no problem of evil for him, and to this day, the hindus and jews and goys seethe about this.
Quick history:
-judaism=made by jews for jews
-christianity=made by jews for goyims, hence the meme of universality and lack of circumcision to please greek goys lol
-islam=hijack of judaism by random arabs for arabs
-protestantism=hijack of christianity by goy merchants for goy merchants
-atheism=universal judaism for goy wageslaves by jewish and goy merchants from the NL and UK

-vedas=made by brahmins for brahmins
-buddhism=made by buddha for monks
-mahayana=hijack of buddhism by brahmins for non-buddhist monks, hence the meme of universality (imagine believing there are lay bodhisattvas lmao)
-Hinduism=clone of mahayana made by brahmins for brahmins
-vajrayana=hijack of mahayana by pervert tibetans for tibetans

among all those, only buddhism has no upaya, no ritual, no social rule,no worship, no prayer, no devotion, no guru, no true nature, no mantra, no primordial heaven, no primordial luminous consciousness devoid of illusion, and this is exactly why normies hate it.
normies, women and intellectuals hate buddhism because it lacks all of what they cherish the most:
-normies just want rituals and prayers to mean something
-intellectuals want endless mental masturbation about moronic questions popping into their heads, for which they don't even know the answers lol
-women just want to hear that god already loves them no matter what they do, or that they are already enlightened and perfect just the way they are, exactly what their orbiters tell them every single day. Women and their coomer orbiters also want to hear life is awesome and super duper important, because women give birth, women generate life and if they hear life is evil, it means women are evil and just whores. According to women, pussy is power. That's true but, what they don't say is that pussy is evil power.

[Anonymous No.21250494]

>>21248749
it's the guy who lived in bloomington indiana, right?

[Anonymous No.21251063]

>>21248749
Perennialism is gay and retarded. Similarities are not tantamount to absolute unity of truth. The only way one can reach that conclusion is by being ignorant of the religions their smashing together in their psychedelic induced, new age stupor.

>Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[Anonymous No.21251094]

>>21250422
How do I get into Buddhism, oh great schizo?

[Strangelove No.21251475]

>>21251063

>Similarities are not tantamount to absolute unity of truth

Sure not the ones of the contemporary deformed side branches. But very few will ever see past that even.

[Anonymous No.21251618]

>>21250422
>Like anybody else, Hindus are forced to accept that suffering exists
Suffering is unreal and consciousness is totally peaceful and unaffected by it even when the deluded imagine otherwise; there is no argument anywhere in the world which proves that suffering actually exists.

[Anonymous No.21251764]

>>21250422
>normies and women hate buddhism
What the fuck are you talking about anon

[Anonymous No.21252228]

>>21251063
>schuon was just ignorant
cope

[Anonymous No.21252461]

>>21252228
Truth is exclusionary by its very nature, and all major religions have practices and truth claims that (if you actually adhere to them) make them incompatible with one another. No amount of theory from some french homos is going to change that. Cry more.

[Anonymous No.21252471]

>>21250422
>normies, women and intellectuals hate buddhism
Buddhism is the goyslop religion for atheist materialists who crave some form of "spirituality".

[Anonymous No.21252475]

>>21252461
>Truth is exclusionary by its very nature, and all major religions have practices and truth claims that (if you actually adhere to them) make them incompatible with one another.
You do realize that Traditionalism recognizes that and is against syncretism right? Exoteric paths are exclusionary, but they lead to the same summit regardless.

[Anonymous No.21252546]

>>21252471
>seething about atheism
>anti-semitic
you worship an undead rabbi though right?

[Anonymous No.21252567]

>>21252546
>He thinks atheism is retarded
>Must be a Christian
Lol. Try again kike

[Anonymous No.21252589]

>>21252567
Ok, so you're an ex-Christian pretending to be Hindu because you heard they were based? Or are you on the tradlarper to Islamist pipeline? (Which is to be clear, also you repudiating Christianity for aesthetic or political purposes while retaining its moralizing, world-denying framework).

[Anonymous No.21252595]

i want transcendent unity with vertical wives how do i achieve this

[Anonymous No.21252600]

>>21248749
>beautiful expression of religious truth
Which is what exactly? What's the use of all this ecumenical fluff? Why does it become so prominent the more widespread atheism becomes? You didn't have this kind of kumbaya mentality in the middle ages, when people believed in Christianity. And now that they don't, it does become easier to equate all the superstitious/escapist religions

[Anonymous No.21252615]

>>21252546

[Anonymous No.21252638]

>>21252600
Perennialism arose because the modern world has destroyed the barriers that once existed between peoples, foreign religions were once remote and blocked off behind language barriers, now information travels worldwide instantaneously (and people nearly so) and huge quantities of writings are available in translation to anyone who wants them. The exclusivism pill is no longer so easy to swallow simple as

[Anonymous No.21252691]

>>21252638
That's the other side of it, yes, but even that broader knowledge would be impossible were there as many true believers now as there had been. And in centuries earlier a good deal of that information had been available but those it had to be retrieved from were reckoned as idolators, not fellow truth seekers on the path to truth. So if there really is to be a resumption of philosophy, it should not treat all religions as co-equal; it should be cognizant of the fact that there was a breach and that certain religions nourished this breach and sought to sink the entire ship.

[Anonymous No.21252697]

>>21250422
>-mahayana=hijack of buddhism
>(imagine believing there are lay bodhisattvas lmao)
>-vajrayana=hijack of mahayana by pervert tibetans for tibetans
>no true nature
>no primordial luminous consciousness devoid of illusion
>they are already enlightened and perfect just the way they are
I don't care about the rest, but you outed yourself as not awake.
When Buddha spoke of no true nature, no self, impermanence, etc, he was speaking conventionally about samsara. When for example Advaita talks of Brahman, universal impersonal awareness/consciousness, atman-brahman, etc, it's talking conventionally via samsara. Same for Daoism, and some Christian and Sufi Mysticism.
Enlightenment can't be spoken or thought about, hence why the Buddha mostly didn't and why Advaitans imply or state the teachings are ultimately provisional. It's not anything like what you can think because "you" won't be there when it happens and thought will be either absent or transparent. Buddhist non-self and Advaitan Self are both tools for discerning samsara that are ultimately discarded, not Truths to be clung to.
Enlightenment/Awakening IS always already available right now, it's just not available for "you"/"me". Since that "you"/"me" is largely comprised of the occurrence of wanting to understand/know and of clinging to beliefs and concepts, both of which directly obscure it.

[Anonymous No.21252812]

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[Anonymous No.21252888]

Some criticisms of Traditionalism/perennialism are (at least on the surface) admittedly sharp ones. But on the other hand, if the Truth is all-pervading, timelessly ancient, and comes from an ever-living source, it seems more difficult to whole-heartedly DENY out-of-hand that there could ever have been divine inspiration and revelations in other cultures and religious traditions. It bespeaks a parochiality, a limitation to specific, time, place, and culture which — strange as it might sound — practically is on the verge of denying the eternity and ubiquity of the source of such a presumed unique revelation you’ve chosen to place your faith in.

On the other hand, you have the-somewhat-trickier-belief-to-defend, but potentially valid, sophisticated, multi-layer argument that various authentic religious traditions are like so many different prisms diffracting the same or similar eternal truths, but in seemingly different ways due to the uniqueness of different cultures, races, and their mass psychologies. But this is itself a claim seemingly beyond or against the exotericism (with an -x, not esotericism) of many religious teachings, and so also hard to justify in that way. A school of thought like Traditionalism or perennialism, hence becomes something greater than the sum of its parts.

[Anonymous No.21252977]

>>21252475
Wrong. Many adherents aren't against it, and there is no telling if each religion leads to the same destination, nor do they even claim to. That is an intellectual leap made by appealing to sources of authority that are outside of the belief systems themselves. The belief that they all lead to the same place is the very thing that allows for the slippery slide into syncretism to begin with.

[Anonymous No.21253065]

>>21252977
>That is an intellectual leap made by appealing to sources of authority that are outside of the belief systems themselves.
Early Christian theologians and saints (like St. Justin Martyr) went so far as to claim that early Greek philosophers were “unknowing Christians”, summing up this class under the label of “virtuous pagans,” and Greek philosophy clearly had a massive influence on the scholastics and medieval theology — as did Islamic philosophy and theology, interestingly enough.

St. Augustine put it:

>That which is known as the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist.

This is Christ as the Logos, as the Word made Flesh, and hence existing eternally beyond time and space. St. Justin Martyr went so far as to call the most virtuous Greek philosophers, evidence of the Logos inspiring them before Christ was born in the flesh.

>Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58

On the other hand, both authentic Islam and (yes, strange as it might sound to say) authentic Hinduism both revere Christ. See, for instance, Sri Yukteswar Giri’s (1855 - 1936) “The Holy Science”, (or the Kaivalya Darsanam, in the original Sanskrit title), a brief study comparing verses of the Upanishads and the Bible, the New Testament and sayings of Christ especially. In his own words:

>The purpose of this book is to show as clearly as possible that there is an essential unity in all religions; that there is no difference in the truths inculcated by the various faiths; that there is but one method by which the world, both external and internal, has evolved; and that there is but one Goal admitted by all scriptures.

Moreover, the genuinely ancient, Hindu and Sanskrit phrase, “Sanatana Dharma,” “the eternal teaching/order/law”, is the same thing as the concept of the “perennial philosophy” or timeless, nameless, trans-cultural tradition.

Some admittedly major differences, however, which make it hard to reconcile the exoteric beliefs and teachings of the aforementioned major world religions, have to do with the interpretation of the statuses/concepts/titles like “Prophet,” “Son of God,” or “Avatars” in these various traditions. It also gets considerably more complex when you thrown in Judaism (denies the successive revelations of Christianity and Islam) and Buddhism (reimagines and critiques Hinduism, throwing in similar-yet-different concepts like “Boddhisatvas”/“Buddhas” for “Avatars,” nirvana for moksha, no-self for Transcendental Self, and so on).

Overall, it is understandable why people are turned off by perennialism, Traditionalism, or whatever you want to call it. But I still remain drawn to its tremendously fascinating, beautiful ideas.

[Anonymous No.21253076]

>>21248749
Sounds like you're ready to take the Jungpill, anon.
Gods are psychological archetypes, existing in all human minds. Hence the essential similarities of all religions.

[Anonymous No.21253087]

>>21252977
>Many adherents aren't against it
If they are against the idea that religious traditions can't be conflated with another then they don't understand Traditionalism.
>The belief that they all lead to the same place is the very thing that allows for the slippery slide into syncretism to begin with.
The belief that they don't all lead to the same place is the very thing that allows for the slipper slide into rabbinical ethnocentrism and idolatry. The idea that entire cultures of sentient people can collectively be deluded about the Truth and that ones own people possess the only real path to salvation is a neurotic fantasy that always leads to messianism and demon worship. This does not imply syncretism, only that there are many ways to reach one transcendent truth. Mythology is the only reliable teacher we have toward this goal, in its true untampered state preserved through initiation and tradition, because it preserves information that can't be captured in discursive states like language and science and any group of people born out of an authentic relationship with the land is able to cultivate such a tradition.

[Anonymous No.21253146]

>>21248749

>a book that pretends all religions are the same when there are obvious contradictions

i think it's called perennial philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy

[Anonymous No.21253149]

>>21253146

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisca_theologia

also this

[Anonymous No.21253190]

>>21253149
>prisca theologia and perennial philosophy say the same thing
/lit/ are a bunch of brainlet plebs, go read your wikipedia articles

[Anonymous No.21253223]

>>21253190
i never said it did

[Anonymous No.21253329]

>>21253223
prisca theologia does not "pretend all religions are the same", not even close

[Anonymous No.21253408]

>>21253146
Why do you believe the witings of fat secularist wikipedia editors?

[Anonymous No.21253427]

>>21253087
Exactly. Furthermore there is nothing wrong with following an exoteric path but one must be fully committed to that path. One must be an authentic Christian, or an authentic Muslim or an authentic Hindu but trying to apply the wisdom of one path to another will only hurt ones progression.

[Anonymous No.21253499]

>>21250422
im buddah bro. let me teach you this great trick so you can end suffering inside you. yes, you end up dry as shit and basically like a fucking zombie, but at least you dont suffer. isnt it?.

[Anonymous No.21253959]

True perennial philosophy here.

Buddhism : Understanding ordinary waking consciousness, higher states of awareness, "nirvana" but emptiness is false.
Hinduism : Understanding mystical truth. Thou art That. God is Self.
Christainity : Metaphysical truth. Truth of the system of things. Congruent with mysticism if one has great discernment.
Judaism : Set the stage for mystical Christ. Probably should be considered archaic religion.
Islam : Corrupt religion, but within it there was Sufism which may or may not have been effective.

[Anonymous No.21254304]

>The dear ancient philosophers obtained the knowledge and practice of this thing, as one can clearly find in their books, either from God himself through a special divine inspiration, secret visions, or the revelations of good spirits, or from another philosopher and human teacher, or indeed from the light of nature, through diligent reading, true books, and by contemplating, meditation upon and observing wisely the wonderful workings of nature in the larger world.”

— Heinrich Khunrath, Lux in Tenebris

>Khunrath places side by side things that moderns would separate radically. Divine revelation and visions are laid alongside ordinary human instruction, the study of books, and careful observations of the world at large. The connection among them is that God is ultimately the source of knowledge. All knowledge comes from Him, whether immediately; mediately but supernaturally through an angelic vision; or mediately and naturally through the voice of a human teacher, the words of a book, or the sight and investigation of creation itself. While we moderns would separate divine activity into a special category, for Khunrath (or Starkey, or Fludd, or so many of their contemporaries) it was simply another way of acquiring knowledge—or to say it better, divine activity was seen ultimately as the foundation for all methods of acquiring knowledge.”

— Lawrence Principe, The Secrets of Alchemy

>To the true believer, truth, wherever it appears, is welcome, nor will any doctrine seem the less true or the less precious, because it was seen not only by Moses or Christ, but likewise by Buddha or Lao-tse.

—Max Müller

>If a skilful man hear a wise word, he will commend it, and add unto it; but a soon as one of no understanding heareth it, it displeaseth him, and he casteth it behind his back.

—Ecclesiasticus, 21:15 (KJV)

>"He who would enter into the realm of Wisdom must first divest himself of all intellectual pride. Prejudices, pre-conceived opinions and beliefs always stand in the way of true wisdom. Conceited opinions are always suicidal in their influences. They bar the door to the entrance of Truth."

Ralph Waldo Trine

[Anonymous No.21254662]

>>21253149
>The term prisca theologia appears to have been first used by Marsilio Ficino in the 15th century. Ficino and Giovanni Pico della Mirandola endeavored to reform the teachings of the Catholic Church by means of the writings of the prisca theologia, which they believed was reflected in Neoplatonism, Hermeticism, and the Chaldean Oracles, among other sources
Based Ficino

[dago No.21255689]

Rama Coomaraswamy said Schuon was above Guenon and AK Coomaraswamy

[dago No.21256119]

>As for Masonry, I consider all forms to be false and part of the counter-initiation.

[dago No.21256135]

http://www.svabhinava.org/friends/JoaquinAlbaicin/RamaCoom-english-frame.php

[dago No.21256208]

>>21256135
>I grew up in Haridwar, one of the Holy Cities of India, and lived for years during my youth as an orthodox Hindu. Having been invested with the yajopavita or sacred tread, I can state that since the Hindu view point I am a dvija or a "twice born". But after my father's death I returned to America, where my mother was essentially alone. As it was impossible for me to live as a Hindu in America at that time, and as living without any traditional affiliation was in my mind to live on an animal level, I entered Catholicism which I found completely compatible with my Hindu outlook.

[Anonymous No.21256210]

>>21255689
Well, I asked because you were -at least, nominally- the typist of a file... bitter, to say the least. I also disagree with the sensationalist way the subject was handled by some people. And well, you did not reply to my question. Do you consider Schuon "between and above" Gu�non and your father?

I don't consider Schuon as between and above Gu�non and my father. I think that Gu�non, Schuon and my father expounded the Philosophia Perennis - each in their own way. None of them are without minor errors, but the errors are not important. Instead of stressing the differences between, for example, Gu�non and my father, one should see the similarities in thought. The differences were minor. They are not in competition with each other but delineate different aspects of the subject. If you like, they had different functions.

[Anonymous No.21256233]

>>21250422
Meds. Right now

[dago No.21256239]

>>21256210
Ah shit I misremembered the quote thinking that was Rama and the not interviewer

Good catch

[dago No.21256316]

>>21256239
Wait a sec
I wasn’t entirely wrong

>In the appendix included in your father's Selected Letters you wrote on Schuon as "standing between and above Guenon and Coomaraswamy.

[dago No.21256322]

>>21256316
But the other quote supersedes this one

[dago No.21256342]

>While I like Seraphim Rose's writings, I think it unfortunate that he didn't really understand Guenon or my father.
Orthobros…. It’s over.

>I am rather inclined to agree with Charles Upton about UFOs.
Holy based…

[Anonymous No.21256677]

>>21253076
I'm afraid you've been filtered by Jung, anon.

[Anonymous No.21257013]

>>21253076
You should read the red book bro, Jung definitely didn't consider God to be a psychological archetype.

[Anonymous No.21258149]

>>21256316
Schuon is the greateat Traditionalist of the 20th Century

[Anonymous No.21258481]

>>21256135
>RamaCoom

[Anonymous No.21258721]

>>21258481
Pbuh

[Anonymous No.21259513]

>>21258481
What?

[Anonymous No.21259771]

/sede/ supremacy