/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21237813]

women are a disease.

[Anonymous No.21237832]

>be Stacy, MFA
>write 300 page long blogpost about abusing antidepressants beause Chad is ghosting you even though you gave him a rimjob on second date
>THIS SAYS A LOT ABOUT OUR SOCIETY
>bask in critical acclaim and commercial success

[Anonymous No.21237864]

>>21237832
>Stacy
I like her but she wishes

[Anonymous No.21237869]

>>21237832
She’s an ugly monolingual Ukrainian-Jewish mutt

[Anonymous No.21237877]

>>21237832
>even though you gave him a rimjob on second date
did she really...?

[Anonymous No.21237880]

>>21237869
>Her mother was born in Croatia and her father, who is Jewish,[4] was born in Iran.
Not Ukrainian at all.

[Anonymous No.21237885]

>>21237880
So an ugly monolingual Croat mutt. Fuck off, troon

[Anonymous No.21237889]

>>21237885
How the fuck am I a troon for calling out lies? Fucking jew. I bet you're her cousin who browses here.

[Anonymous No.21237895]

>>21237889
>lies
> How the fuck am I a troon for calling out lies? Fucking jew. I bet you're her cousin who browses here.

[Anonymous No.21237922]

>>21237813
Said a walking infestation of a moid

[Anonymous No.21237941]

>>21237813
This book is genuinely fantastic

[Anonymous No.21237944]

Yet who are the people who worships this jew gender and gives them rights and sacrifices their whole lives for them? Lets them go on about destroying the world? You men. I bet YOU would forgive and forget them for everything too the moment a pretty girl would pay attention to you. So stop making these shitty threads

[Anonymous No.21237951]

>This book is genuinely fantastic

[Anonymous No.21237969]

>>21237889
>her cousin who browses here.
Hope she overcame her bitterness

[Anonymous No.21238003]

>>21237922
>>21237941
>cunts

[Anonymous No.21238008]

>>21237832
>be anon behind post #21237832 on 4chan dot org slash lit
>become suicidal at the mere thought of women he doesn't know or have ever met existing and having lives, especially if there is some quantum of perceived succes in these lives
How the FUCK does one end up at that level of pathetic ressentiment?

[Anonymous No.21238025]

>>21238008
I couldn't care less about these cunts, half of the women in my college were mentally ill promiscuous arthoes abusing prescription meds. What makes me sad is that the literary world is now filled with such braindead vaginal waste.

[Anonymous No.21238034]

>>21238008
haha, cope harder bitch

[Anonymous No.21238055]

i like how the main character spent a year full time on pills
then does a bender to detox
then she's fine

[Anonymous No.21238061]

>>21238003
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.21238067]

>>21238061
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.21238068]

/lit/ BTFO
anons and incels in this thread seething for being demolished by a female writer

[Anonymous No.21238074]

girls would rather fuck a 6 foot chad than the kind of autistic lit nerd who rads david foster wallace.
/lit/ in shambles

[Anonymous No.21238090]

mraaaa mrabble brabble breeblebrox

[Anonymous No.21238091]

/lit/ in shambles.
proof that girls would much rather get violated by a 6 foot chat than a hipster nerd who reads david foster wallace.

[Anonymous No.21238093]

>>21238074
>>21238068
terrible writing, every modern novel reads like this, just a bunch of self-insert rambling from women who use social media way too much

[Anonymous No.21238098]

>>21238068
>>21238074
I don't think you'll get the reaction you're hoping for here, everyone knows how women think and operate by now. How is this any different from any roastie hating thread on /lit/? The only difference is that the average shitposts has better prose.

[Anonymous No.21238107]

>>21237813
>triggers /lit/flakes harder than any of the "edgy", "subversive" literature of the past
based moshfug keeping the flame alive

[Anonymous No.21238113]

>>21238107

[Anonymous No.21238121]

>>21238068
>>21238091
>>21238107
>nu--4chan """trolling"""

[Anonymous No.21238124]

>>21238068
>>21238091
this is quite good. inb4
>how dare a man have passion for anything other than wahmen. the absolute of wahmen

[Anonymous No.21238130]

>>21238124
>quite good
You need to read more than 10 books before posting

[Anonymous No.21238136]

>>21238124
You're a cunt, or you're a self-flaggelating late millennial "man"
Either way, your opinion is less than irrelevant

[Anonymous No.21238137]

>>21238113
what? is that her?

[Anonymous No.21238143]

>>21238137
retard

[Anonymous No.21238184]

i think /lit/ needs to acknowledge that women won. they won the intersex culture war. none of you anons will likely ever be as successful as ottessa moshfegh - and the women who are getting published are getting celebrated for their lives - whether it involves getting violated by chad, or succeeding at life.

women can now also do what was typically the role of men in society before; provide and earn.
the future really is female.

[Anonymous No.21238188]

>>21238143
i'll admit to not being fully on board with this zoomer custom of conversating with random images. don't think it makes me a retard though

[Anonymous No.21238199]

>>21237813
>>21237832
>>21237944
>>21238025
>>21238136
So much resentment. Let's be real, people like you don't hate women for any moral reasons, or you'd be focusing on the ones who actually harm others like abusive mothers and powertripping politicians. But instead you focus on the women who are merely dumb self-destructive whores, who don't even affect anyone besides their own kin, this makes it clear you're just jealous they have easier lives than you, and won't fuck you. You have an entitled proto-tranny mentality, why else would you care so much about them?

You'd stop hating them in an instant if they fucked you. Don't get me wrong, i think it's reasonable to dislike whores for being so wasteful, like all hedonists are. But you have no high ground to dislike them, just envy, just resentment, it's pathetic

[Anonymous No.21238201]

>>21238184
Based. This kills the incel moid (who claims to be misogynist but would simp like a puppy for any woman who would show him affection).

[Anonymous No.21238206]

>>21238199
women

[Anonymous No.21238208]

>resentment
sure gets dropped a lot for some reason. make of that what you will.

[Anonymous No.21238211]

>>21238068
>>21238091
A very solid and well written takedown of redditor fake intellectual pseuds, surprised it hits so close to home for many posters itt considering how they usually go out of their way to be seen above such a crowd,,,

[Anonymous No.21238213]

>>21238206
love em. simple as

[Anonymous No.21238216]

>>21238208
Mod is femposting again

[Anonymous No.21238217]

>>21238068
kek was this the actual book?

[Anonymous No.21238220]

>>21238199
As already stated in my post, I don't care about such women precisely because I know the kind intimately - fucked a few a myself, some hurt me, some got hurt by me, there's no resentment. What pisses me off that the promiscuous midwit arthoe archetype now controls the fiction market and pushes out any potential quality.

[Anonymous No.21238222]

>>21238213
me 2

[Anonymous No.21238226]

>>21238067
I am a berry

[Anonymous No.21238228]

>>21238199
>>21238068
if she wrote this shit, she's evil.

[Anonymous No.21238234]

>>21238228
pussy

[Anonymous No.21238246]

>>21238199
>you're just jealous

Envious, not jealous, Anon. Please don't butcher my language.

>You'd stop hating them in an instant if they fucked you.

You might stop hating them, but that wouldn't necessarily mean you'd hold them in high esteem. In fact, once you become successful with women, it opens your eyes to just how petty most of them are.

[Anonymous No.21238251]

>>21238068
>an Asian girlfriend means the guy has a small dick
is this racism by proxy?

[Anonymous No.21238256]

>>21238228
>>21238251
Fiction, anons. Look it up.

[Anonymous No.21238257]

>>21238251
Not by proxy. It's pure racism.

[Anonymous No.21238259]

>>21238068
How precisely is this supposed to represent the actual thoughts of the author? I ask this because it's a funny detail to have a drug addict try and guess what other people are doing.

[Anonymous No.21238261]

>>21238256
It's obviously autobiographical. This is what she thinks. She has shallow views on men. Same as any other woman.

[Anonymous No.21238269]

>>21238257
>t.

[Anonymous No.21238272]

>>21238068
>>21238091
>As an art history major
That will be one cappuccino please.

[Anonymous No.21238312]

>>21238068
>MFA
>THEY'D IGNORED ME
women just want attention, if these losers who were bottoming out in their sideways asian gf pussies told her she was pretty, this book would have never been written

[Anonymous No.21238314]

>>21238068
Is this that book? If so, BASED

[Anonymous No.21238319]

>>21238269
?

[Anonymous No.21238326]

>>21238188
>not lurking enough is zoomer
>4chan is zoomer
lurk more nigger faggot

[Anonymous No.21238329]

>>21237922
>>21237941
>>21238008
>>21238061
>>21238068
>>21238091
>>21238107
>>21238124
>>21238184
>>21238199
>>21238201
>>21238211
>>21238226
>>21238234
>>21238269
>>21238314
all me

[Anonymous No.21238332]

>>21238259
she actually had a sabbatical year and these are her thoughts

[Anonymous No.21238339]

>>21238068
Oy vey

[Anonymous No.21238345]

>>21238329
no, it was me

[Anonymous No.21238353]

>>21238068
>>21238091
Yeah, this is based as fuck, unironically, holy fucking shit she blew /lit/pseuds the fuck out of the water, just look at the seethe in the replies.
Here's a hint: if you're taking the time to reply and really insist that it does not make you seethe, it is very transparent that it has made you seethe.

[Anonymous No.21238362]

>>21238068
>they lamented the succes of others
HAHAHA SHE EVEN PRE-EMTPIVELY BLEW THE INCELS IN THIS THREAD THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.21238369]

>>21238353
>>21238362
ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.21238376]

>>21238008
Speaking from experience: shitty emotional development. Overbearing mothers and narcissistic fathers never teach their children real empathy and, by extension, how to have healthy relationships

[Anonymous No.21238382]

>>21238261
We're rapidly approaching "Dostoyevsky killed a pawnbroker" territory.

[Anonymous No.21238388]

>>21238382
Not even the same.

[Anonymous No.21238404]

>>21238068
>liking young Asian women is le bad
>t.
Every time

[Anonymous No.21238407]

>>21238068
>>21238091
Why do women sleep with men who they don't actually like? I've never understood this. They describe relationships so cynically, like it's just a game to them.

[Anonymous No.21238415]

>>21238404
Jesus Christ, is that her? No wonder the hipster fags ignored her lmao.

[Anonymous No.21238424]

>>21238211
>>21238353
I don't think there are many "MFA bros" left in this place. Judging by their language, the people having meltdowns over this book are culture war tourists from you know where and don't even care about literature, apart from its signal value.

[Anonymous No.21238427]

>>21238424
>culture war tourists
>t. 2015 newfag

[Anonymous No.21238432]

>>21237941
>>21238068
>>21238091
>>21238107
>>21238124
>>21238201
>>21238211
>>21238314
>>21238353
>>21238362
>t.

[Anonymous No.21238433]

>>21238427
Thanks for confirming.

[Anonymous No.21238436]

>>21238433
Likewise.

[Anonymous No.21238438]

>>21238432
>chad is when you simp for women
okay, tranny.

[Anonymous No.21238442]

>>21237941
>>21238068
>>21238091
>>21238107
>>21238124
>>21238201
>>21238211
>>21238314
>>21238353
>>21238362
she will not fuck you bro

[Anonymous No.21238443]

>>21238415
>epic joker voice
Hello beautiful....

[Anonymous No.21238448]

>>21238438
no, chad is clearly when you cry about them

[Anonymous No.21238450]

>>21238448
chad is when you tell them to fuck off and then go find a better cunt

[Anonymous No.21238451]

>>21238362
The seething is so transparent. She has these NPCs dead to rights and they just keep following their script. Not a single constructive or even interesting rebuttal. No self-reflection, just more crabs in a bucket.

I think we really needed another war to thin these numbers out. There's just no place for these sad men and it will only get worse

[Anonymous No.21238453]

>>21238404
>>21238269
>>21238261
>>21238257
>>21238256
>>21238251
White "men" with yellow fever are dregs of society. The easiest indicator to tell if someone is a loser is if they feteshize asian women.

[Anonymous No.21238458]

>>21238451
>I think we really needed another war to thin these numbers out.

[Anonymous No.21238459]

>>21238453
Seems like a cope tbqh. It just depends on if the girl is hot or not.

[Anonymous No.21238460]

>>21238453
seethe more

[Anonymous No.21238466]

>>21238442
get a new script faggot

[Anonymous No.21238469]

>>21238466
she will not fuck you bro; she doesn't even know you exist

[Anonymous No.21238470]

>chad is when you tell them to fuck off and then go find a better cunt

[Anonymous No.21238474]

>>21238438
>>21238442
NPCs with no capacity for thought. You can have complex thoughts regarding women you know? It does not have to be "me no have sex with woman me angry". I think your mother, for example, was a great woman who did a bad job of raising you, but never in a million years would I fuck her.

The book is good btw

[Anonymous No.21238475]

>>21238470
what is chad, then retard? because agreeing with retarded women certainly isn't one of them

[Anonymous No.21238477]

>>21238474
that's crazy. I hope she reads that bro

[Anonymous No.21238478]

>>21238460

[Anonymous No.21238480]

>>21238474
Can you have negative thoughts about women

[Anonymous No.21238482]

ahahaha 0 pussy mfs absolutely demolished in this thread

[Anonymous No.21238484]

>>21238474
>The book is good btw
If you have shit standards, sure. It reads like gossip from some retarded teenager but it's in no way literature.

[Anonymous No.21238488]

>>21238475
log off bro. touch some grass. call your dad and laugh when he tells you the same story you've heard 500 times already

[Anonymous No.21238491]

>>21238482
>>21238478
>>21238474
>>21238470
>>21238466
>>21238453
>>21238451
>>21238432
>>21238424
>>21238362
>>21238353
all me btw

[Anonymous No.21238493]

>>21238460
Notice how no woman is seething about you dating an asian? She just accurately called you a loser and you got angry, but such is the capacity of thought and introspective ability for "men" with yellow fever.

[Anonymous No.21238494]

>>21238488
>lowercase poster unironically saying "touch grass"
Why would you choose to be such an aberration of God's creation?

[Anonymous No.21238498]

>>21237832
Kek, once female authors start including their onlyfans handles on the back page, societal destruction is imminent.

[Anonymous No.21238501]

>>21238493
>Notice how no woman is seething about you dating an asian?
>White "men" with yellow fever are dregs of society. The easiest indicator to tell if someone is a loser is if they feteshize [sic] asian women.
this is pure seethe

[Anonymous No.21238513]

>>21237813
Why is this the only modenr book that get threads?
Is it just a case that a single anon picks it up each time thread is posted then makes a new thread once they finish.

[Anonymous No.21238514]

>>21237832
>le western civilization.. is le finished

[Anonymous No.21238517]

>>21238513
It's a famous bestseller written by a woman, and thus excellent bait. That's it. Barely anyone on this board reads (or at least posts about) new tradpubbed books.

[Anonymous No.21238518]

>>21238513
It is perfectly set up for /lit because it is at once both a genuinely great book and a book that makes losers seethe becauss it accurately makes fun of them by the same type of person they hate and are obsessed with the most.

[Anonymous No.21238522]

>>21238493
Holy cope

[Anonymous No.21238523]

>>21238518
>a genuinely great book
lmao

[Anonymous No.21238540]

>>21237813
For me it's black women

[Anonymous No.21238568]

>>21238493
You seethed, and the author of the OP image seethed about dating "younger Asian women" lol

[Anonymous No.21238569]

>>21238540
for me it's all women

[Anonymous No.21238602]

>>21237832

[Anonymous No.21238603]

>>21237813
This is a longshot but in a previous thread 2 days ago about understanding women, some anon mentioned he was kicked out of a seminary and I asked if he would let me talk and interview him.
>he agreed
Unfortunately the thread timed out and i was unable to share my contact details with him. Anon fren, if this message reaches your eyes i still want to talk to you, are you there?
Deus Vult

[Anonymous No.21238617]

>>21238091
damn this is a solid fucking diss, yet it isnt insightful at all, like, everybody is familiar with this stereotype

[Anonymous No.21238630]

>>21238008
>>21238199
you guys only use ad hominems against that anon, while he >>21237832
critisized the book for pretending something it's not. If you want to argue against him try to prove him wrong, try arguing that My Year of Rest and Relaxation is not just Moshfegh's heap of REEEEE and retardation.

[Anonymous No.21238633]

>>21238569
fag

[Anonymous No.21238640]

>>21238617
>everybody is familiar with this stereotype
Which means its an actual problem in society, a "man" of this kind is like one step away from being a dangerous incel

[Anonymous No.21238647]

>>21238068
>>21238091
KEK thats not a diss against incels, thats a diss against nu-male hipsters

[Anonymous No.21238658]

>>21238068
>>21238091
Babbling self-centered whore proves for the billionth time why straight and normie women can't be artists, and why Sylvia Plath despite all her potential for interiority was just a whore writing whore diaries: straight normie women only see the surface of things, because they never HAVE to go any deeper.

People, friends and aquaintances and rivals, simply come into women's lives naturally because they have sexual capital. Men because they want to fuck them. Women because of all the asinine flock behavior and competition rituals of normie women, whose lives revolve around male attention and status-mogging each other by getting more male attention. Opportunities, "adventures," and life-defining events simply come to women naturally, because old guys and bosses want to fuck them, colleagues want to fuck them. They're always "trying out" superficially exciting or unique fling-worthy guys, the most handsome and well-defined representatives of the stock characters of their local social ecosystem (in college, the 6'3" fratbro, the leftistbro, the stubbly Infinite Jest litbro, the professor who fucks his students). Plus a billion other forgotten background character loser men they hardly remember, men who imperceptibly greased the wheels of life for them, by being nicer to them and giving them undeserved opprtunities, simply because they're cute little young women and men are stupid.

The result in the end is that every woman, no matter how boss bitch she is and how much interiority she thinks she has, has the exact same fucking itinerary through life, and thus nothing to say: she enters social ecosystems, does far better than she merits (better than she would if she were male and thus "anonymous," distinguishable only on her merits), gets fucked by various men, whines about how it isn't fulfilling (no shit?), emerges in her late 20s or early 30s as a childless shrew, still whining about how "mediocre" all the stock characters she fucked along the way were, and desperately trying to prove to herself that the world just wasn't big enough for her boss bitch energy, that she conquered it too easily by becoming a lazy livejournal blogger disguised as a novelist.

Every woman is saying the same shit Sylvia Plath said: "If I live in a big city as a little tart, I get the penis! I get the penis so easily! Ughhh, not that penis!! I got sooo many penises, a penis that fucked me gave me a job at the top of a big high rise building, that means SUCCESS in penis world, so I must be pretty successful! I'm just too successful for this penis world. Ugh penises, am I right?" At least Sylvia Plath was honest enough to show some ugly sides of women that men aren't privy to. These nu-women are too vain even for that, because the last traces of male-implanted shame have been washed away, all that's left is unimpressive penises and high rise jobs. There is literally nothing less impressive than a woman who is unimpressed by all the penises she's had.

[Anonymous No.21238664]

[Anonymous No.21238672]

>>21238658
and this, ladies and gentlemen, is what 0 pussy does to a mf

[Anonymous No.21238675]

he actually wrote all that lmao

[Anonymous No.21238678]

>>21238672
I am a proud homosexual.

[Anonymous No.21238685]

>>21238678
so you hate women because they get better chad cock, i see

[Anonymous No.21238692]

>>21238469
I don't give a fuck about this drug addled cunt, I want you to get your shit together

>>21238491
>everyone who disagrees with me is one person

[Anonymous No.21238695]

>>21238068
>>21238091
I'm a standard incel and didn't feel attacked by this

[Anonymous No.21238704]

>>21238695
she doesn't mean you bro, she's talking about male feminist pussy hounds

[Anonymous No.21238709]

>>21238113
Rape

[Anonymous No.21238710]

>>21238695
incels don't even exist in her world, the guys she's disgusted by are trust fund hipster artfags who don't have enough big dick energy and compensate by chasing asian pussy
so kinda like incels here but rich and sociable

[Anonymous No.21238731]

>>21238068
>>21238091
I used to feel bad about not getting any attention from women but now I know how women really think I see that the truth is that woman will do whatever they can get with and that I have been spared a life of pain and misery

Call it a cope if you want but I shall call it gratitude to the good Lord who made me. I am so ugly and boring that I am invisible to women and therefore am safe from their cruel games

[Anonymous No.21238741]

'They' can't be 'a disease' because they're not some 'force of corrosiveness/corruption', really think about this for a second, they're not some foreign force controlled by a will alien to the source of all psychology, they'd have to have their own sense of universality, which would mean unique history, valued and definable distinct points of self projected characteristics. These don't exist or make sense in woman's existence, there is no separate, distinct, 'individual' 'female' 'character' because her form is projected hypnotic attachment from the absence of self worth

[Anonymous No.21238752]

>>21237813
Why do I go to these threads? All the threads I could click on and if there is one about women sucking, I always click that. The truth is, I am afraid I will never create anything worthwhile because I am a woman. The truth is, I hate my mother. The truth is, I hate myself. I come here to be hated because that’s what I feel I deserve. I admire and love men deeply. I crave men. I wish I was male. But it’s more accurate to say that I wish I was great. I wish I was a Nietzsche, a Caesar, a Heidegger, a Dostoyevsky, a Freud. And it’s convenient to pretend that my gender is the reason this is impossible. The real reason is my mediocrity. I need to work harder, to do better. Like most people throughout history and especially today, I will likely never succeed. But I have to try.

[Anonymous No.21238754]

I often get the impression that the NYC "art" scene is literally entirely composed of mentally ill Jews

[Anonymous No.21238757]

>>21238710
So she hates Scott pilgrim?

[Anonymous No.21238761]

>>21237877
She also let Philip Roth fuck her in the ass when she was a young cunt at Barnard

[Anonymous No.21238768]

>>21238754
I often get the impression that the 4chan "literature" board is literally entirely composed of mentally ill incels

[Anonymous No.21238794]

>>21238658
anon you've definitely got a way with words, I'll tell you that.

[Anonymous No.21238801]

>>21238453
I find them attractive, but I'm not exclusively attracted to them.

[Anonymous No.21238841]

>>21238091
is this the empowering FeMaLe RaGe booktube's drooling for? holy shit, the seethe in this writing. that's not really Moshfegh is it? fuck, this sounds like a high school girl trying to tell other girls what's cool and what's not cool, while it's obvious she's jelly of people with interests that take effort.

[Anonymous No.21238848]

What the hell is this garbage of thread? Why are people even discussing this book? it isn't good it's just male vs female /r9k/ bullshit
Might as well be discussing self'-help written by women or go to MGTOW/DateStrategy


All that's been said here can be understood and dissected if you are a normal person and spend a week on and off in the hate thread of r9k

[Anonymous No.21238866]

>thread #1,437 trying to bait Weininger-chan
He is so incredibly powerful

[Anonymous No.21238868]

>>21238848
zoomer /lit/

[Anonymous No.21238901]

>>21238658
>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS

Do you see how ridiculous you sound? You wrote a fucking novel just to complaining about women! How are you any different? You're bitter over... What exactly? People living a way you don't approve of? What constructive action do you ropose for anyone else to do?


>>21238630
You have a good point. The first post isn't too bad bitching but if he's >>21238025 then he's still revealing himself as the same kind of hipster nu-male getting called out


All these guys whining about losing the culture war actually are right.

Obvious, "traditional" masculinity has mostly been phased out by technological advancements. Testosterone and is disposable, and are always been in demand. This is how things have always been and will be

Our culture is defaulting to the feminine, which still wants strong, functional men but does not create them.

These mixed signals frustrate both young men and women leading to threads like this.

Many men will mostly be man-children or cattle for the foreseeable future, and women will continue picking up the pieces, getting what they want when they can. What is there to do other than try to get by in peace?

[Anonymous No.21238904]

>>21238068
>>21238091
>>21238451
I am literally a young man in zip-up hoodie who read Nietszsche (Geneaology of Morals) while traveling by public communication today so I will give my honest impressions of reading that.

It did prickle, at first, to read that. The author isn't an amateur at writing, so she knew how to write in a perfectly contemptous, arrogant tone that instinctualy wants the reader to not be ina group she despises. Or maybe that's just my 'beta' instincts. However, after a moment of thought I realized that there isn't much reason to feel bad about this fragment. In fact, her 'cuts' are skin-deep.

The protagonist doesn't really have anything bad to say about the men. She clearly thinks nothing of them, but her 'insightful' description stops at telling how they look or what they do, no deeper thought is present. I think it's things like that that divide pseuds from actual thinkers. The first group always reads everything at face value, they take an author's words as gospel, divine ordination that cannot be refuted.
The second? They think about what they read. And thinking about this fragment really doesn't give the protagonist any favours.

Without context that we need to supplement with our real life experience, this would be a powerful woman going through live, judging men by their worth and picking them apart for horrible flaws they have. Which is a nice power fantasy, but falls apart when you supplement the experience. And what do you get then?

A young, arrogant woman, that goes through live as a sexual object, judged solely by her abilities to please and give her body to any man that wins her over, but barely in possesion of her own agenda. She judges men for their failures, but they are failing because they are trying. Men are reading, men are advancing, men are LIVING. It's only natural all of them cannot be at the top. But she judges them, because she doesn't see them as people. And the only man she describes as worthy? The one that puts down HER.

Meanwhile she herself is nothing. She cannot fail at anything, because she isn't trying anything. Her sole vocation is that of a sexual object, which never changes. Something she didn't achieve or struggled for. The weakest of those 'pathetic' men she describes has more intrinsic value than her.

It's the most visible when she talks about men daring to ignore her at parties because they pursue something else in their own group. How dare they. How dare to ignore HER. As if there were more valuable things to care about.
I can't decide whether this is an excellent piece of writing that portrays an ulikable, egotistic and delusional woman in a world where she needs to put down others to fool herself into thinking she has worth, or maybe the author herself is entirely honest about how she sees the world.

If it's the first, I commend her. If the second, I pity her.

[Anonymous No.21238915]

>>21238493
>Notice how no woman is seething about you dating an asian?
You've been seething this entire thread.

[Anonymous No.21238933]

>>21238841
It's written from the perspective of a hot apathetic bimbo who, at the beginning of the book, can't muster up the resolve to even stay awake. She hangs around the NYC art world, but lacks the talent, the discipline and the will to do anything creative herself. Of course the enthusiastic people (good and bad, smart and dumb) get on her nerves. This soon extends to everything and everyone around her, which is why she checks out of the world.

It's not some epic empowered girlboss book.

[Anonymous No.21238991]

>>21238068
>>21238091
I feel sorry for her. She sounds insecure and desperate for attention. She's the one in the corner at a party thinking
>They aren't talking to me because they're afraid of my pretty pink vagina
>I bet they're only talking about existentialism because they're afraid of me
>Why do they all have asian girlfriends? They must have small dicks

[Anonymous No.21239028]

>>21238658
I may hate your retarded anti-atheist ramblings but this post is ABSOLUTELY BASED. Just pure unfiltered truth.

Even made all these ugly incels, femcels and trannies seethe
>>21238664
>>21238672
>>21238675

[Anonymous No.21239056]

>>21237813
>women are a disease.
You gay or something?

[Anonymous No.21239065]

A man writes a self-indulgent depressing novel and it’s le heckin blackpilled and a woman does it and it’s reee roastie whore

[ywnbaw No.21239083]

>>21238658
lmao based

[ywnbaw No.21239091]

>>21238199
>You'd stop hating them in an instant if they fucked you.
The hell are you talking about, I hate all the women I fuck

[Anonymous No.21239125]

>>21238491
>133 posts
>26 posters
I believe you

[Anonymous No.21239126]

>>21238801

ottessa is just seething because chads wont fuck her and her hipster friends have stopped paying attention to coping roasties

[Anonymous No.21239130]

>>21238518
Only obvious newfags say this shit, the type of numale hipster she's describing doesn't frequent this site.

[Anonymous No.21239165]

>>21238904
>In fact, her 'cuts' are skin-deep.
>The protagonist doesn't really have anything bad to say about the men. She clearly thinks nothing of them, but her 'insightful' description stops at telling how they look or what they do, no deeper thought is present.
The cuts are that she's calling you a cliché and "uncool" essentially. They're skin deep to you because you're a man, but to a woman appearances are the greatest and the only virtue. Good post btw.

[Anonymous No.21239183]

>>21238741
You might actually be on to something, this matches perfectly with Weininger.

[Anonymous No.21239187]

>>21239130
>>21239126
>>21238991
>>21238841
Cope

>>21238904
>>21238991
>>21239028
Why speak when you have not read the novel? You are fighting an imaginary battle.

>>21239130
An anon above is literally a midwit who read nietzche in public, admits to have beta sensibilities, criticizes a section in the book by stressing the woman needs context when he clearly has not looked for context on the passage, and judges the writer's writing ability all while writing his post in awful, pretentious high-schooler level purple prose.

[Anonymous No.21239197]

Here is your NYC “art” scene, bro

[Anonymous No.21239211]

>>21237813

I haven't read that book, but I will use this thread to remind everyone that I hate women.

[Anonymous No.21239289]

>>21238658
pretty uh based i must admit but at the same time damn nigga.

[Anonymous No.21239300]

>>21238068
>>21238091
er i liked the first part but second part is kinda cringe

[Anonymous No.21239308]

>>21238184
yup.. at least we have god r-right incel bros..

[Anonymous No.21239349]

>>21237813
WHITE women are the future of Earth. You can talk shit online, but I won't hear any slander of them in my presence.

[Anonymous No.21239363]

>>21239183
No one else really frames him in that context at all or understands him or gets what he's actually talking about tho
>Vegetarians are just as mistaken as their opponents. If you did not want to contribute to the killing of living beings, you could only drink milk, for whoever eats fruit or eggs still kills embryos. Milk is perhaps for that reason the healthiest food, because it is the most ethical.
you could take this a step further and say that all nutrition is bunk and that the healthiest food or perhaps the only healthy food is food prepared with love, and that all food prepared out of the feeling of necessity would make a person incredibly sick. thats Weininger.

[Anonymous No.21239369]

>>21239349
your cunt is akin to a windsock

[Anonymous No.21239387]

>>21238752
Have children.

[Anonymous No.21239398]

>>21238068
>>21238091
Can someone please tell me this is a joke, like the anon that wrote the book where half of it was the nigger-word? I don't know what to believe anymore. If this was actually published, I'm not sure I can go on living. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.21239401]

>>21239363
Enjoying milk is one of the biggest green flags a person can have.

[Anonymous No.21239404]

>>21238658
It's funny that she's bragging about her metrosexual guy who looks gay and can't eat pussy. She also left out the part where she fucked a bunch of the guys she's talking shit about who do deserve it but are still slamming Asian ass and enjoying life and accomplishing things in positions of power above her.

[Anonymous No.21239409]

>>21239398
It's real, and emblematic of a sub-genre of modern fiction inhabitated exclusively by western millenial cunts. The "muh vagina" meme is very, very real.

[Anonymous No.21239441]

>>21239409
Thank you...recently started browsing /lit/, learning Latin, currently on a Shakespeare bender by way of Melville. I guess I just lost touch with how bad it has become with the printed word. Not planning on venturing much further for select works past 1950 anyway, the approximate beginning of The Collapse.

[Anonymous No.21239444]

I read Lapvona and it was OK. The most surprising part of the book were the reactions to her . Exposing myself to the normie tier world of book CONSOOMERS who read new books put out by penguin and others was fascinating. Hearing 27 year old trannies repeat for ten minutes on YouTube that “wow this is such a dark book like I’ve never even heard of something so dark” and seeing their bookshelves full of books published post-2010 is crazy. I’ve always wondered who reads these pieces of shit? Now I know. Alternatively some right wing book critics are raving about this because supposedly it’s transgressive and in some sense I guess it is but they act like this is some revitalization of publishing. No, man, it’s not ever coming back and ultimately Moshfegh in her interviews seems like a mid-level working author who can crank out some interesting stories at the end of the day. The marketing around her is also crazy with them wheeling out John Waters to put the official “cool” stamp of approval for her book as if Zoomers know who that is. There’s clearly a ton of money around her for simply being some kind of ethnically ambiguous mystery meat woman with the last of the white males at these companies actually getting excited about *something* that’s not LGBTQIA+ nigger trash they’ve been cucked into working with so they can pay off their $80,000.00 of student debt. Anybody else have this experience reading her?

[Anonymous No.21239465]

>>21238326
That's not what was said at all. You lost. Try harder and learn your lesson next time

[Anonymous No.21239527]

>>21239441
you dropped this

[Anonymous No.21239564]

>>21239527
Thanks

[Anonymous No.21239588]

>>21239444
>Anybody else have this experience reading her?
A bit. Not reading her, because I think she evades most boxes they attempt to put her in, but the conversation around her. You put your finger on a very specific matter and you did it well. Still, I think she's good (latest books weren't too hot though, next one better deliver or I'm off the O.M. train), and I'd rather see her pushed than hordes of picrel. The big dick writers of the 20th century aren't coming back anytime soon, and people who babble on about "The Collapse" and seal themselves off in little cope-bubbles like >>21239441, waiting for Moby-Dick 2, are just sad. Even if the golden age of the novel is long over, I still want to read them.

[Anonymous No.21239633]

>>21239588
Yeah, you get it. Occasionally I’ll be surprised and I’m not enough of a snob to cut myself off from modern culture completely but damn it’s a slog sometimes. Maybe we just need to accept that we were spoiled before and move on, it’s not like there’s nothing getting published. The cultural juice we had in general seems to have run out so maybe it’s just about getting out there into the world more instead of relying on the awful curation of white women like the pic you posted.

[Anonymous No.21239661]

>>21239527
>>21239588
>seal themselves off in little cope-bubbles

Thank you, it's not so much a matter of sealing oneself off, as it is "just saying no" to anymore goyslop; one eventually realizes our culture has become incapable of even adequately entertaining us, beyond tricking us into engaging in pathological, addictive behaviors in a desperate bid for some relief.

The whole situation doesn't even merit much in the way of lamentation if you take a broader historical perspective. We'll bounce back in five hundred or a thousand years, as always. The tiny arc of history that we occupy with its of-the-moment political fads and fashions, "the current year", is so very very small.

[Anonymous No.21239664]

Guys, I can't believe CHAD gets to fuck this and I don't...I'm so jealous right now I'm going to kms

[Anonymous No.21239714]

>>21239664
Don't you have better things to do than make poorly made bait?

[Anonymous No.21239732]

>>21239664
Good do it pussy ywn have sex incel! Life is pointless if you arent fucking so just end it now

[Anonymous No.21239772]

>>21237832
>RREEEEEEE I HATE WYMEN

pathetic little vermin. youre a disappointment to your parents and whatever mongrels you have left for friends absolutely despise you and make fun of you behind your back.

[Anonymous No.21240062]

>>21238658
This is true, those passages a self own and the ebin lefty/pol/ raid spamming the word 'incel' doesn't change that.

[Anonymous No.21240249]

>>21239444
You have no idea what bubbles exist out there. Rich coastal elites have multiple tiers of sub-bubbles to their overall bubble, and one of the most influential ones is the rich people who go to an Ivy plus university / second choice after Ivy plus / private liberal arts college to pretend it was their first choice when they didn't get into an Ivy plus. Within that bubble there are several subsets like of nigger-rich types, people whose dad makes six figures but they aren't really rich rich. A lot of white-ized immigrants are in that group, who desperately desperately want to belong to the coastal elite set, making them ideal managerial class drones because they'll eat any piece of shit just for a membership card. Even though membership now means living in San Francisco as it chokes to death on junkie hobo AIDS needles and shoplifting.

The set all those subsets are trying to imitate is the northeast cosmopolitan set, people who actually do live "upper class professional" lives like so many American TV shows portray. And those people do indeed do all those meme things like listen to NPR, read tons of books written in the last 10 years from absolute nothing writers, writers you would genuinely look down on as embarrassingly "thin on the ground" if you read them. It's glorified young adult fiction. These people are so insulated they can't realize how far they've fallen since their grandparents' days, they are all trash and have been dragged down into new money behaviors.

They are the most pathetic rump of an aristocracy in human history, but they're all America has now. And all the trashy Persian and Armenian daughters of plastic surgeons and financial consultants in Los Angeles, all the daughters of Chinese and Russian expats who barely speak English and don't seem to notice their spoiled children are brainless Americanized degenerates so long as they keep showing up to violin recitals wearing a nice dress, all the dwindling old money families left in the flyover states too, they all desperately want to be like the pathetic New Yorker caste, because they mingle with them at their big boy daycare party universities.

They're the people sustaining the "revitalization of traditional publishing" with their infinite money they don't know what to do with, and their pathetic attempts to feel like an aristocracy by puffing up some cause, or trying to make something into a "scene." They are mentally retarded. They think it's still the '30s and they're tastemakers even when no one knows anything about them or cares what they think. It's very funny and everybody should be happy about it. The tricky part will be when their enclaves like NY and SF/LA really start being intolerable even to them, and they all start fleeing to their backups like parts of Colorado and lower down the east coast, you have to herd them all into one spot, and spring a Pol Pot on them. You CANNOT let them start escaping overseas, it will make it much harder to Pol Pot them.

[Anonymous No.21240273]

>>21240249
What actually is the "coastal elite" these days? I have no clear picture in my head of who these people are. Wasps, jews, asians?

[Anonymous No.21240346]

>>21240273
can you even read? he just told you

[Anonymous No.21240469]

Why does it feel like one person is making all the posts in this thread?

[Anonymous No.21240499]

>>21240346
He is describing the sub elite who want to be the actual elite. The only description of the actual elite he gives is "upper class professional"

[Anonymous No.21240555]

>>21240249
Couldn’t agree more anon <3

[Anonymous No.21240567]

>>21240499
Because that’s basically what they are. The elite aren’t immune to eating at McDonald’s and drinking their cancerous lattes everyday. They watch trash TV and engage in all of the shit behavior of everyone else and the problem is they do it with Pomp and the false confidence of someone who thinks they’re aristocratic because they have daddies money. They don’t know how to spend that money, they don’t know how to write, and they don’t have good taste. Their entire lives are adult daycare and we need to genocide them in Minecraft.

[Anonymous No.21240573]

>>21239187
> An anon above is literally a midwit who read nietzche in public, admits to have beta sensibilities
Because he isn’t a coward afraid to admit any weakness that would allow a good reader to better understand his message
> criticizes a section in the book by stressing the woman needs context
Not what he said at all. He said the woman is insulting the men for trying, but she is in no position to do so, since she has never tried.
> when he clearly has not looked for context on the passage,
No shit. He said “first impression”. Congratulations on your surface level reading abilities.
> and judges the writer's writing ability all while writing his post in awful, pretentious high-schooler level purple prose
Not purple at all; learn to read. He also is not an award winning author, so attempting to denigrate him by equating their writing abilities is a self-own.

[Anonymous No.21240618]

>>21240555
Kek, gotta love how architects are one of the most vocally leftist groups while simultaneously being one of the most elitist and bourgeois

[Anonymous No.21240624]

>>21240469
>171 posts
>61 posters

It's a complete mystery why you feel that way

[Anonymous No.21240810]

>>21238353
As an autist this "um if you reply you actually lost ;)" bs with no regard for facts makes me very openly seethe. I will admit it
Baiting for replies and attention like that, context or content aside, is textbook female behavior.
I don't fit any part of that particular stereotype, I'm a gaunt Slav. But, I do hate women

[Anonymous No.21240815]

>>21238362
>pre-emptively
"Loser oversocialized neurotic nerd" is about as old an archetype as "stuck up mediocre woman baiting chad with her magic pussy"

[Anonymous No.21240816]

>>21240810
>>21240815
OO TELLEM WHY U MAD THO

[Anonymous No.21240846]

>>21238068
>>21238091

[Anonymous No.21240850]

>>21240469
>>21240624
brown mentally ill zoomers (and maybe a frumpy woman or two) are trolling depressed millennial incels ITT

[Anonymous No.21240855]

>>21237869
>Ukrainian-Jewish
Wait really? Moshfegh sounds Persian

[Anonymous No.21240866]

>>21239772
What makes people like this exist?

[Anonymous No.21240871]

>>21238658
You could say the exact same thing about men, just replace the idea of women with a job/passion/career/ideology.

Men think because they have incredibly niche or hyper-focused interests that makes them interesting, or even worse, it makes them someone worthy of attention, praise, or being known as a good person.

They'll move through life either focusing on one thing, or drifting from interest to interest. And when they try and use these interests to skip over basic patterns of socialization or relationship building with people, and it fails--because you can't genuinely replace or subvert lived experience with a studied interest--they either become frustrated, they give up, or they take it as a sign and a challenge, and they actually take the final step and become well-rounded, sincere human beings. They wed interest with being a person, and become what a man is supposed to be.

I don't disagree with you that there are some women who give off this vibe or follow this pattern. But your post reads like you haven't read the book, or you completely missed the point of it. It's a pretty shallow observation that's hiding under blocks of text, Internet lingo, and occasional vitriol.

To a degree I understand what you're expressing, and I don't think the emotion is wrong. Your execution, however, is poor, and I would encourage revision.

[Anonymous No.21240874]

>>21240871

[Anonymous No.21240880]

>>21238184
>the future really is female.
Won't happen. Society will stagnate when men have nothing to gain for their work.

[Anonymous No.21240883]

>>21240871
>But your post reads like you haven't read the book
He opens up by dismissing Plath as someone who wrote "whore diaries", he clearly doesn't read anything at all.

[Anonymous No.21240884]

>>21238933
that's literally how zoomer girls see it
they think it's Quiet Quitting and Epic Healthy Boundaries: the Book
If you don't understand that most women knowingly slack off and halfass life and think it's funny, then you're absolutely hopeless

[Anonymous No.21240893]

>>21238091
>And he knew how to manipulate me - I had to respect him for that
She accidentally revealed a big female secret. Women truly respect men who know how to emotionally manipulate them. I guess it is because they are natural emotional manipulators, so a man who can manipulate them really outshines their fragile female egos.
This is also why they stay with abusive partners. Physical superiority is pretty much a given when you're a man against a woman, but the ability to emotionally defeat them via manipulation is total control in their eyes

[Anonymous No.21240898]

>>21238904
I admire the enthusiasm of this post, but given the context of the passage in the book, and the book itself, this is incredibly cringe.

>Men are reading, men are advancing, men are LIVING.

There is more than one way to live.

[Anonymous No.21240906]

>>21240874
Read the book dummy.

[Anonymous No.21240911]

>>21240871
womanpost, the one actual thing you said is
>skip over basic patterns of socialization or relationship building with people
and that's retarded cope

>men do things and women are purely social creatures? oh yea well sometimes men get too autistic and don't have good emotional intelligence
men build rocket ships. women sustain a global slave economy by spending all their disposable income on plastic scrunchies made by chinks and watching contouring tutorial asmr by a bitch who look like a pig

[Anonymous No.21240915]

>>21238068
>>21238091
Good lord, there is some serious Ressentiment in these pages.
>lit in shambles
Well, this lady is clearly lashing out at the only men who gave her a chance. After looking at her there's no way she consistently got the attention she wanted from the "frat boys and premeds", so she unleashed her sexual frustration in writing on the mediocre men that intruded on her liberal art school fantasy world. But mediocre men exist everywhere, not just in her little art history department. It's a 'grass is greener' delusion. The frat boys and premeds are not the "charming intellectuals" she imagines them to be.
>most of them are probably on Klonopin
This one is actually hilarious to me because it proves how utterly clueless she is. She's assuming that there is an equivalent antidepressant epidemic among 20-something men and women. The truth is that it's almost entirely hormonal young women on these things, who are already birth-control-pill zombies. Young men are not on Klonopin. She's betraying how far she's taking her fantasy, and how little grounded in reality she actually is, when she imagines that these men (evidently the only ones who give her a chance) have the same problem with antidepressants as her.

[Anonymous No.21240918]

>>21240884
Apologies if I'm not unconditionally accepting you as some sort of authority on "most women".

[Anonymous No.21240935]

>>21240911
>Sometimes men get too autistic and don't have good emotional intelligence

I don't have preference for either sex, but recorded history demonstrates a repeat pattern of men consistently failing to live up to what they and others expect of themselves. That would be fine, but most men are incapable of admitting this failure, and that has led and continues to leads to horrific levels of catastrophe for everyone involved.

Women aren't roses and sunshine either. They lie and manipulate and know exactly what they're doing most of the time, even if they won't admit it.

Just because guys go out and do things doesn't make them inherently better, and the resulting ego that often stems from their accomplishments, or leads them to it, has been decried continually by the brightest minds and spirits across human history.

Not saying you can't take pride in what men have done. Just, you know, exercise some humility.

[Anonymous No.21240938]

>>21240915
>She's assuming that there is an equivalent antidepressant epidemic among 20-something men and women.
You seem to assume that this book is nonfiction, so you're not doing too hot here either.

[Anonymous No.21240948]

>>21240915
Read the book.

[Anonymous No.21240952]

>>21240871
Being a balanced socially-engaged person is overrated because most people are genuinely uninteresting, mediocre, and mundane by definition. They have nothing to offer and I don't pretend like I'm entitled to their respect either. I would rather sit and scroll all day, because at least this addict behavior means I'm engaging with actually interesting topics instead of bullshit daily drama

[Anonymous No.21240954]

>>21240915
If it's not glaringly obvious to you she was fucked a few times at parties with "frat boys and premeds" and then ghosted by these men, while the skinnyfat Brooklyn Jews who run literally everything in NYC attempted to date her while being Jewishly condescending and she became apoplectic with female unreason and anger and wrote this trite sneedery.

[Anonymous No.21240956]

>>21240935
Women have been discouraged from genres such as sculpture that require studio training or expensive materials. But in philosophy, mathematics, and poetry, the only materials are pen and paper. Male conspiracy cannot explain all female failures. I am convinced that, even without restrictions, there still would have been no female Pascal, Milton, or Kant. Genius is not checked by social obstacles: it will overcome. Men's egotism, so disgusting in the talentless, is the source of their greatness as a sex. [...] Even now, with all vocations open, I marvel at the rarity of the woman driven by artistic or intellectual obsession, that self-mutilating derangement of social relationship which, in its alternate forms of crime and ideation, is the disgrace and glory of the human species.

We could make an epic catalog of male achievements, from paved roads, indoor plumbing, and washing machine to eyeglasses, antibiotics and disposable diapers. We enjoy safe, fresh milk and meat, and vegetables and tropical fruits heaped in snowbound cities. When I cross the George Washington Bridge or any of America’s great bridges, I think: men have done this. Construction is a sublime male poetry. When I see a giant crane passing on a flatbed truck, I pause in awe and reverence as would for a church processions.

>>21240948
>read this shit womeme book i only posted excerpts of in the context of owning magachuds on 4channel
"no"

[Anonymous No.21240957]

>>21240855
My last name is moshfegh and she’s my cousin, we are iranian. Her dad pretends to be Jewish though because it was the easiest way to claim asylum status when fleeing iran, there are like 1000 people with our surname in the entire world and none of us are Jewish. She isn’t Ukrainian either, her mother is from Croatia

[Anonymous No.21240962]

>>21240918
You can open Goodreads and prove my point, but you won't because you live in some narrative in your head and not in reality

[Anonymous No.21240965]

>>21237969
>her cousin
I was beckoned? Also last I checked I had a penis, and I check frequently.

[Anonymous No.21240966]

>>21240954
Well from the few pages I just read, it is glaringly obvious to me. That’s why I wrote that reply

[Anonymous No.21240969]

>>21240935
>I don't have preference for either sex, but recorded history demonstrates a repeat pattern of men consistently failing to live up to what they and others expect of themselves. That would be fine, but most men are incapable of admitting this failure
Men these days literally think their life is over if they aren't rockstars by age 24, we've done a complete hard 180 on the old manchild / peter-pan problem. or perhaps reached a deeper level where maturity is even more poorly understood by these men
Conversely, women act as though they're invincible and never wrong. My phone feed for whatever reason feeds me articles from Psychology Today and they are incredibly grim in terms of the way they treat the sexes

>>21240956
I generally like Paglia but this really revels the basic seethe at the core of her outlook, and your posting it is cringy

[Anonymous No.21240971]

>>21240957
kek based dadfegh

[Anonymous No.21240977]

>>21240969
>seethe cringe men don't have social skills ummm judgemental much?? be a little bit more humble sweaty, that's cringe tbf i'm getting heckin hella vibes here my dude
major premise: women are inferior to men
minor premise: you are a woman
QED: you are inferior to me (a man)

[Anonymous No.21240981]

>>21240952
I can understand that, to a degree.

I guess the only thing I'd say is that there's a lot you can learn about yourself from interacting with other people. I agree as well that many of the common topics are mundane and pretty draining--I'd like to think I'm a socially-engaged person to an extent, and I need breaks when I talk with people, because sometimes it's completely uninteresting or totally exhausting.

At the same time, you can find out a lot about yourself while also finding out about someone else. I know that's corny, but I have found it to absolutely be true. And if you pair that kind of interaction with the tools and skills you learn pursuing an interest, you can genuinely find yourself in the position of starting to become more than you thought you were.

Idk, again I know that's hokey, and if you have found repeatedly that social interaction of any kind isn't of any benefit to you, I think that's fine. There's more than one way to live, and the world needs people who are familiar with their own interiority in ways that most people can only dream of, or wouldn't be able to imagine. It's a genuinely important role that needs to be carried out, because as much as you can find yourself with people, you can forget yourself, too.

[Anonymous No.21240989]

>>21240938
I know it’s a fictional story, but clearly she’s taking from her own experiences. She’s not inventing these observations/opinions from thin air. She’s clearly using her protagonist as a mouthpiece to air her own personal frustrations.
Also everyone itt saying “/lit/ btfo” and “/lit/ in shambles” is clearly not treating this resentment as merely part of the plot. They’re treating it as the author’s own judgment on the types of men she comes into contact with. That’s because the main character’s strong opinions are not pulled out of thin air. authors love the soapbox that a novel provides to write these little “gotchas” that they imagine people like them can relate to.

[Anonymous No.21240992]

>>21240965
Do you write? If I could ask your cousin anything I’d ask if she sees herself in the context of a transgressive tradition with authors like Dennis Cooper. One side of me expects she does but another thinks maybe she doesn’t read those kinds of books at all and is more of an aberration. Anyways what’s your deal? You’re a fucking /lit/izen like the rest of us losers so??

[Anonymous No.21240998]

>>21240956
Again, I don't disagree that men have accomplished a lot of incredible things. We're fortunate to be in the place we are today, as atomizing as it can be, and much of it is thanks to certain men, whether we like it or not.

At the same time, you have to realize that women are driven by something completely different. You can write it off as trivial or arbitrary or base, and in some cases, you're correct--they could say the same thing about you, and it would be correct as well.

Ultimately, what is being said is that they are different from you, and they're different in a way you'll never, in all your years, ever be able to fully understand. Like it or not, they know something you don't, and always will. The value of their perceptive difference IS their perceptive difference. That doesn't make it unassailable--but it provides a perspective that can, in its own right, be genuinely beautiful and true, for the same reason a man's perspective can fulfill the same role in relation to a woman.

There's nothing you can do or say to change this. All that really can be done is accept it, and move on. Being unable to do so will result in stagnation and slow decay, whether you like or not, think it will or not. For the same reason a woman not being able to acknowledge the simple beauty of a bridge is an indicator, potentially, of a shallow and somewhat thoughtless personality, the same can be said of a man who is unable to recognize the natural limits of his own genius in relation to a woman's perspective.

[Anonymous No.21241005]

>>21240989
>clearly
>clearly
>clearly

[Anonymous No.21241008]

>>21240998
the same can be said of children and the insane

there's a time and a place for everything, and for women the time is always, and the place is in the home, not in the public forum

[Anonymous No.21241018]

>>21241008
That presupposes an assumption of a significant barrier to genuine development and awareness on an entire class of people that I think is specious at best. The same could also be said for men. Kids and the insane build and do things too.

And I disagree. I think that women should be given the social option to stay home, but they shouldn't be barred from entry into the public sphere if that's where they feel their time is best invested. There are certain places they won't be able to go, much in the same way there a certain places men won't or aren't able to go, but to keep them out entirely is something that led to our present day situation, and I don't think trying to return to it and pretending like all this time hasn't happened is a wise choice.

[Anonymous No.21241029]

>>21237951
I have a jewish friend that looks exactly like this. Poor bastard

[Anonymous No.21241031]

>>21240998
It seems to me that enabling women to project their totalizing constructivist sentimentality is what has actually produced stagnation and slow decay. In that world, drastic action is not only unthinkable, but evil. On the other hand, pretending to be a dynamic pantsuit-wearing woman-of-action in terms of superficial appearances is still admired.
This superficial political tendency is obviously necessary to some extent because otherwise we would be warrior societies incapable of leaving a legacy, but it seems to me that men were perfectly capable of being feminine and agreeable enough to live like civilized people before women were allowed to turn society into a soft-power hyperinhibited prison

[Anonymous No.21241037]

>>21241018
what you think doesn't matter, because you're a woman. that's the beauty of it. you have no say except in anomalous periods when men create a philosophy of women's liberation for you to benefit from, and then you destroy all that good will anyway

women couldn't take their "freedom" if men didn't grant it to them, and when they have "freedom" they don't know what to do with it and literally make themselves more miserable than when they didn't have "freedom". women are the biggest advocates of patriarchy unconsciously

[Anonymous No.21241049]

>>21240992
I write, not nearly well enough. They say my writing is pretty good albeit depressing. I’m far too critical of my ability so I became an engineer instead. I’ll ask her your question if you want but I’m certain she’s going to look at me like I’m either retarded or a narc. Also I’ve been on /lit/ for ages because unfortunately you lot may be hopelessly autistic, you’re still the best place to find and discuss literature on the internet. Enduring the morons of reddit book subs waxing poetic the breadth of their intellectual capacity over 1984, Tender is the Flesh, or whatever bullshit tiktok recommends them this week makes me want to gouge my eyes out.

[Anonymous No.21241051]

>>21241031
I just think men have failed in recent years to demonstrate why anyone should actually cede authority and respect to them. I agree that the modern world has definitely in many ways made a lot of people soft and pliable, a whole host of types who gravitate towards short-term convenience over any kind of long-term value that may in any way involve a kind of struggle.

But the men I see in the public sphere rarely, if ever, come off as authentic examples of masculinity, and they are poor reasons alone for anyone, especially women, to place their trust in them.

No one should ever have to prove why they're worthy of personhood or respect--those things, in my opinion, should be granted gratis as an initial courtesy, and evaluated contextually over time.

That being said, if men truly want to regain their station, there has to be a significant change. Looking around at many of the men I see in day-to-day life, there are strong and good men out there--there are also hordes of weak or soft men, and many of those are the types who find their ways into institutions of power and influence that have been infested, in some ways even built by, their kind for a long time. They're not bad people or bad men at their core, but they drag all of us down and allow social decay to occur because they're too obstinate to admit their shortcomings. To me, it's these men, not women, who are to blame for the present situation.

[Anonymous No.21241059]

>>21241037
I'm a dude, dude.

No one grants anyone else freedom. That is a God-given right. And most men have no clue what to do with freedom either--you are consistently demonstrating a resounding example of such a man.

[Anonymous No.21241087]

>>21241049
Thanks for your reply Anon. No need to approach your cousin with such a question if it will cause discord—family is the most important aspect of life. No need to strain that on our behalf. I agree about /lit/ even though it has quirks. You should consider publishing in &amp here. I’d be interested in your writing man, Godspeed anon.

[Anonymous No.21241120]

>>21238068
>>21238091
>literally a virgin vs Chad meme with obscure name drops and weird resentment laced within every sentence
I do appreciate the pseud roasting though, but if they were actually beneath the writer's contempt, why is there such scorned bitterness with which she writes, rather than amused indifference at their pathetic nature? It really just gives the sense that no one in this situation is worth the slightest ounce of respect.

[Anonymous No.21241162]

>>21241051
The truth of the matter is that men do not have to prove anything in good will. They are meant to seize and guard power and women, and today's state of affairs self-evidently shows that the men in this society do not deserve respect. Men will compete with each other idiotically, while women unite against their spiteful tendencies to shit on men as a unified whole. Even incels will spend their entire day trolling other incels and LARPing as sex-havers instead of facing women.
Men are meant to fight each other and force themselves on women, women are meant to play men against each other and pair-bond with a single man for protection against others. Out of that necessity humans have always brought forth harmony and productive society. Instead, now, men are poisoned by microplastics and intense socialization, and women are hormonally imbalanced creatures who now play men against each other for vicious fun instead of practical safety or any other reason. Also no longer as capable of bonding as before. Aside from all the soft metrics, the fact that modern gender relations are completely sterile and inadequate for basic reproduction, proves they have failed totally.
I think the most telling feature of male weakness is that men have zero institutional solidarity with each other and men INVARIABLY choose to believe women when it comes to domestic abuse, cheating, and so on, instead of believing the man. Men are supposed to know the nature of women and push back against it, and establish a proper legal process or at least operate on benefit-of-the-doubt, instead of guilty-until-proven-innocent. Men are atomized retards who deserve what they get (and worse, really) for playing their little pseudo-Darwinian individualistic game instead of stepping up and acting as one essential organ of human society.

[Anonymous No.21241186]

>>21238068
>>21238091
This is the /lit/ gf you have been looking for kek.

[Anonymous No.21241197]

>>21239300
it's cheesy

[Anonymous No.21241207]

>>21238513
Honestly, better have threads on this than the dutch tranny.

[Anonymous No.21241213]

>>21238068
Yes, to some extent there is some seething going on in this passage but the picture she paints is very vivid and I've met these kinds of people before and I despise them as well. She's essentially describing pseudo-intellectuals, midwits of the highest degree, and if /lit/ wasn't full of them then there wouldn't be so many seething replies to this picture. Same thing with that stereotype in that "The White Man's Guide to White Male Writers of the Western Canon" book, and that movie Liberal Arts with the running joke about the main character thinking that Infinite Jest is the greatest book ever written. Yes, all of these attacks come out of an underhanded place, but there is some truth to these stereotypes and there are negative things in them that you should avoid.

[Anonymous No.21241218]

>>21238658
We can close the thread.

[Anonymous No.21241244]

>>21241005
Clearly.

[Anonymous No.21241267]

People are still going with this thread? What is there even to discuss most of the post above me are pseudo-babbles trying to agrandize the daily discussion on /r9k/. There's nothing you people said that can't be summarized by some incel meme
I recommend to emotionally check out of this garbage cause you have spitting pseudo-intelectual rambles on facebook genre politics for some hours now

[Anonymous No.21241363]

OP you have to consider, that at some point you will settle down with a woman who will be the mother of your children.
At that point, will you be willing to accept that you are living with "a disease" for the rest of your life?
Have you considered the self-harm you're inadvertently causing by basically eliminating the possibility of emotional intimacy in your life by conceptualising the sex you're attracted to in such a manner.

[Anonymous No.21241371]

>>21240866
self hate, no friends, family that hates them. Probably some more stuff but thats the gist of it.

[Anonymous No.21241379]

>>21238068
this is just factual though

[Anonymous No.21241443]

>>21241363
not that anon but women have literally nothing to offer to me.
I don't care for company, I don't care for intimacy, I don't care for sex, and I don't care for children. The only thing women have to offer is status, because single men are not as respected as men in relationships, but that's not worth it for all the work.
Women are completely untrustworthy creatures who manipulate and use men at leisure, then complain and double down on the malice when they get old and bitter. They enjoy complete social protection from the physical power of men, while men are defenseless to their emotional power, which they only abuse. I hate having to constantly interact with these terrified slippery creatures who completely lack an identity and just mold themselves to the immediate circumstances before figuring out a way to backstab somebody to their advantage.
OP is 100% correct. The only self-harm here is to keep trying to play with fire pretending like you aren't going to get burned

[Anonymous No.21241808]

>>21241443
>I don't care for company, I don't care for intimacy, I don't care for sex, and I don't care for children. The only thing women have to offer is status, because single men are not as respected as men in relationships, but that's not worth it for all the work.
Even if you are schizoid, I don't believe company of another person is so abhorrent to you. Another person in your house has numerous uses, both emotional and practical.You just need to find the right schizoid woman.

[Anonymous No.21241848]

>>21240249
>They are the most pathetic rump of an aristocracy in human history, but they're all America has now. And all the trashy Persian and Armenian daughters of plastic surgeons and financial consultants in Los Angeles, all the daughters of Chinese and Russian expats who barely speak English and don't seem to notice their spoiled children are brainless Americanized degenerates so long as they keep showing up to violin recitals wearing a nice dress, all the dwindling old money families left in the flyover states too, they all desperately want to be like the pathetic New Yorker caste, because they mingle with them at their big boy daycare party universities.


kek

[Anonymous No.21242218]

>>21238113
Man, Dasha looks like a potato with fetal alcohol syndrome.

[Anonymous No.21242484]

>>21238904
You're absolutely right

[Anonymous No.21242501]

>>21238068
>>21237832
>>21238904
If you read the book, it’s clear that this is a reflection of the main character’s own shallowness. She’s surrounded by people she (for the most part correctly) sees as obsessed with surface-level stuff, so she becomes like them. An internal longing for deeper emotional connection, and her inability to find it, drives her to pursue the titular “year of rest,” and after spending time totally alone to introspect, she emerges a more complete person, ready to engage sincerely with the outside world.

Her narrative ends with her sober, pondering nature, and feeling kinship with the elderly. She splits up with her yuppie MRS degree friend, who dies in 9/11. She also breaks it off with chad, who mistreated her because he knew she didn’t have the self-respect to walk away earlier. The implication is that though the three were originally similar, the narrator grew where most upper-middle-class New Yorkers stagnate.

The whole book is a repudiation of her initial worldview, much like Catcher in the Rye, Fight Club, or American Psycho. Posting an excerpt from the first half as representative is silly.

[Anonymous No.21242520]

>>21238068
>>21238091
Trevor is a Jewish banker. The author (tho not the female character) is a Jewess. Please take note this as it goes deeper than you think and seems to idolise bankers and Jews. I know /lit/ doesn’t read so I thought I would let you know before anyone gets manipulated and think she is based

>also a Jew ever being 6’3
Lol

[Anonymous No.21242616]

>>21240249
Best leftist post I've ever read on 4chan. Class really does explain it all.

[Anonymous No.21242627]

>>21238091
>>21238068
everybody knows women are whores dumdum

[Anonymous No.21242650]

>>21242501
>he implication is that though the three were originally similar, the narrator grew where most upper-middle-class New Yorkers stagnate.
I strongly disagree with this interpretation. It seems to me her disconnection from reality is nearly total. The fact that she now has no friends or connection and feels irrationally good seeing a massive tragedy (which is really just edginess on the authors part imo), seems to me that she's just even more detached and disinvested from other people. It's for sure not growth, and we don't see any kind of actual behavior that indicates how her life will now change because it just ends there iirc.
I can't really wrap my head around how this can be seen as a "good ending", at best it seems like the story of someone taking a long nap, waking up very late in the day and feeling refeshed. But the whole thing reads so full of petty universal hatred, such mundane disgust for humanity, I just can't reconcile the book I read with any positive spin on its ending.

[Anonymous No.21242678]

>>21242616
You must have skimmed through the post because it does not even remotely imply what you stated.

[Anonymous No.21242680]

>>21242520
Funny how you didn't mention the most conspicuous Jewish character in the novel, and how said character is portrayed and treated. Almost like you didn't read it.

[Anonymous No.21242689]

>>21238008

Success without merit is bad. Only a stupid fucking zoomer would post like you do

[Anonymous No.21242709]

>>21242650
> The fact that she now has no friends or connection and feels irrationally good seeing a massive tragedy (which is really just edginess on the authors part imo), seems to me that she's just even more detached and disinvested from other people.
I think this ignores the broader ideological context in which OM writes. She’s from the school of “you have to love yourself before you love others,” and the protagonist’s flaw is essentially a lack of self-love.

The narrator begins the book with the explicit goal of wasting her life, which is about as self-hating as you can get. She projects her self-hatred onto others, including strangers, her lover, and her best friend, because they remind her of herself. This creates a form of codependency, because without these people around she can’t disavow her own self-hatred.

By breaking away from the people she hates, she begins to ask herself where that hatred comes from, and therefore comes to love herself. Think of it as analogous to meditation — an analogy the narrator draws herself. Isolation can be a means to grow, provided you reflect while you’re on your own.

Again, the ending is a contrast. She is content and living more modestly. Her friend meets the truly tragic fate.

[Anonymous No.21242710]

>>21240555
>why yes I would rather freeze to death than live in an ugly commieblock how could you tell

[Anonymous No.21242734]

>>21238630
>Otessa Moshfegh
>My Heap of Screams and Retardation
kek. somebody shoop the cover pls

[Anonymous No.21242737]

>>21238752
Maybe stop focusing on yourself and trying to become great and focus on helping people and trying to become ethical, self worth is just a by product of initial ethical intent, and majority of your peers/people in general are deeply confused about lots of different things and it’s hurting them bad. You don’t see that?

[Anonymous No.21242746]

>>21242650
For the narrator, her world is composed entirely of superficial and artificial qualities--there is no connection to anything remotely real, and many of the people she meets echo these themes. Her initial disconnect or disgust is seeing these qualities in herself and recognizing it, but not knowing how to move beyond it, or why she's feeling this way at all. Concurrently, she's frustrated that most people seem to either pursue these superficial/artificial qualities, are completely turned off and don't engage with life at all, or have found something that she has yet to experience herself.

By the end of the book, she experiences a kind of enlightenment. She realizes that the world she is in is inherently a mundane place, and that there's a beauty in even the most apparently trivial, artificial, or superficial things. I quite like the end of the book--I actually find it to be rather optimistic, given the subject matter.

[Anonymous No.21243099]

>>21242709
I guess I see this take, but I have trouble believing it since the thing just ends there. I don't see the protag going on to love others and don't see any real sense in which she's learned to love herself.
None of this is illustrated to me by her waking up, and having a grin at her erstwhile friend dying tragically. Maybe if the story went past this point, and we saw her making any concrete positive changes in her life, I'd buy it. As it is, I can only imagine more of the same, but with even less interest in others' fate than we've seen to this point.
Maybe I owe the ending another look, I was expecting something more, and what I got felt to me like absolutely nothing of importance happened.

[Anonymous No.21243203]

>>21237813
men are behind 99% of crimes world over. also this is no worse than books like american psycho or whatever else, consider killing yourself

[Anonymous No.21243246]

>>21243203
Men bad, woman good

[Anonymous No.21243252]

>>21243203
low quality bait

[Anonymous No.21243269]

>>21241005
Yes, clearly. Did you have anything else to say or was that it?

[Anonymous No.21243276]

>>21238658
Absolutely correct and curse the English teacher that made me read The Bell Jar.
What better to read in high school than a woman’s disappointing sex encounter where she bleeds everywhere

[Anonymous No.21243325]

>>21243203
I think the only counterargument to this is that we all agree that rape and murder are wrong, but women are supposed to be "celebrated" and "empowered" no matter how stupid or vapid many of them are. You're not allowed to criticize them as a group, and you're expected to subordinate your own interests to theirs.

[Anonymous No.21243410]

>>21237813
>Iranian Jew + white mutt spreading a shallow degenerate message as she's published by fucking Penguin, meaning a shitload of money
Kourosh should have slaughtered the J*ws rather than free the from Babylonian captivity. It was the biggest mistake in all of history. These Jewish abominations, who one moment act like they're Iranian and next moment side with Israel or American liberal establishment, are constantly receiving special positions of power to brainwash the masses. I even know who one who is working for Warner Bros. in a top position now! Iranians have now become a pathetic group who have been completely defeated, presently going through a TikTok Revolution. One moment I am shooting a nigger during a home break in, and the next moment I am seeing demoralizing bullshit like this that ultimately leads to a nigger civilization.
American literary agents always select the most decadent voices of minorities to corrupt their own people with progressive values and infect their minds with Judaized nonsense. They don't care about literary merit or the classics that give foundation to the respective genres.
It impacts both weird fiction and even children's literature! A bunch of fucking Judaized morons who base beauty on how many different colors you can mix or subvert traditional gender norms.
Whether it's Otessa or Jorjani, every voice is deliberately selected, not based on standards in literature but in pushing a political agenda. What's the point of interacting or talking with people anymore? I'm a code monkey slave while these fucking idiots make shit loads of money from just writing and mouthing filth.
I wouldn't have any qualms with doing scaphism on someone like her. Compassion towards humanity is misguided and not everyone has Buddha nature. These people wouldn't even be able to sit 30 minutes in Zazen because silence and solitude scare them, but what scares me is their insipid babble so why not just get rid of them? Why be compassionate towards such insentient garbage?
With each line of code I write, I feel my brain is being lesioned and lacerated with a chisel, and the logical bloody template has problems persisting now. If I could have just landed a literary agent, maybe I could have a voice that is much more profound than these morons. I have two STEM degrees and am presently in a MS program and nothing is getting easier. I've read better books than these idiots too.
For what reason do I continue this? So better surveillance technologies can be made in order for this anti-life technological-industrial system to remain propped up a bit longer? So fake pandemics can be orchestrated to test out technologies to prolong the lives of the vain elite?
Go ahead & look up my background. Eat shit & shove the Zohar up your ass.
I hate most people. I would have preferred to have been a raven, crow, bear, blue whale, or whatever else. I feel an uncontrollable bloodlust growing each day, and this stupid website merely makes it worse.

[Anonymous No.21243422]

>>21243410
>has problems
has trouble*

[Anonymous No.21243445]

>>21238091
Manlets BTFO once more. That is the only conclusion you can draw from this passage. Every other reply has been brainless spiel

[Anonymous No.21243447]

>>21237813
>>21243410
>>21243422
In other words, seeing talentless morons like this succeed makes me feel like Maldoror, and I doubt these morons can even read Les Chants de Maldoror and understand it. This is not competition at all. Just read a few of the top classics, and you're already better than these morons.
What the hell. These people need to either undergo scaphism or be beheaded.
>>21240957
Kys and take your dumb bitch cousin with you, pedersag.

[Anonymous No.21243518]

>>21238091
This reads exactly like an /r9k/ false flag. How is this a published work?

[Anonymous No.21243526]

>>21243518
Because r9k are mostly right, they are just also pathetic

[Anonymous No.21243531]

>>21243518
Womemes really are such dumb whores, it’s sad

[Anonymous No.21243546]

>>21243203
honest question, why is it I'm supposed to believe crime statistics by gender when I'm not supposed to believe them by race?
Like I know there's genuine research that indicates men are more likely to be dangerous psychos, but not to the extent the conviction disparity indicates. Also anecdotally the same behaviors that are criminal for men (battery, sexual assault, theft, etc.) are laughed off, excused, and even encouraged when the perpetrator is a woman.
Saging because this is not really relevant to /lit/ or likely to lead anywhere constructive.

[Anonymous No.21243557]

>>21243518
>How is this a published work?
The literary industry doesn't value the classics anymore. It's all about subverting their foundations with simple-minded progressivism. It's also dominated by Jews.
This stupid bitch and her agents should be curb stomped in Minecraft.

[Anonymous No.21243597]

I hate women and women books so much it's unreal

[Anonymous No.21243603]

>>21239772
haha check out this seethe and i'm sure it's not the first time you replied to fpbp

[Anonymous No.21243606]

>>21243546
If you include abortion women are several orders of magnitude more likely to be murderers. Idk if it is really sensible to include abortion though. Your average woman who gets one is clearly not capable of murder in any other context.

[Anonymous No.21243630]

>>21243099
I see where you’re coming from too. Since there isn’t an explicit moment where the narrator says “wow I like people now,” her growth is kind of left implicit. This is one thing I think Catcher does better — Holden gets a whole speech about letting Phoebe grow up, so there’s very little ambiguity.

On the other hand, I think the ending is really well paced. The “get in late, get out early” advice is cliche, but it also works. A whole chapter of the narrator reconnecting with her parents and getting coffee with a cute normie guy would have been tensionless and saccharine.

[Anonymous No.21243669]

>>21243606
what if you include stamp collecting or owning a bicycle

[Anonymous No.21243674]

>>21243669
That isnt killing a human so you wouldnt include it

[Anonymous No.21243673]

>>21243546
You shouldnt.

>Year 1593

>188. On the 23rd of August Margaret Stainla of Offenhausen, otherwise known as the Spilkundl, who had broken the Ban eight times, had her fingers cut off. On October 30th, 1590 she had been flogged out of the town.

>189. August 27th. Adam Tupler a carrier from the Wirtenberg country, to whom Strobl entrusted a barrel full of old brass, inside which 230 florins were packed. He broke the barrel open in a wood near Geysslingen, took 111 florins, bought a horse with 35 of these, and left the remainder of them in the care of the inn-keeper. The remaining 119 florins and the brass he buried in the wood. On which account he was flogged out of the town.

>192. October 9th. Anna Maria Schwerdtmennin a thief from Weyssmann, mistress of the executed Jew whom she had helped in his thefts and murders. She was to be executed on Saturday, but protested against the sentence because she was with child, and was flogged out of the town. On the 10th of July of the year 1592 she had been so flogged, together with her lover. (See Part II., No. 180.)

>194. December 11th. Anna Arnoldin, a peasant wench (servant) here from Lauff, because she had secretly borne a child, which she had thrust under the bedclothes with the intention of suffocating it. But her mistress found it, so that it was baptized, although it died immediately after. Flogged out of the town.

[Anonymous No.21243724]

>>21243674
exactly.

[Anonymous No.21243756]

Look, I'm misogynist as hell but how can so many of you not make the distinction between speaker and author in a work of fiction? It's a courtesy you'd immediately afford a writer like Nabokov.
Now Moshfegh is no Nabokov, far from it in fact, but her novel is written in the first person. Her character looks nothing like her and is supposed to be unlikable. How do you guys not understand this?

[Anonymous No.21243761]

>>21243724
You can argue abortion is morally permissible but its still killing a human

[Anonymous No.21243802]

>>21243761
the moral permissibility of abortion rests specifically on the fetus not being a human. nobody thinks it's justifiable homicide like shooting someone in a war, that would be insane.

[Anonymous No.21243810]

>>21243802
Yeah but that's an obvious lie. It's just a form of infanticide

[Anonymous No.21243835]

>>21240935
>recorded history demonstrates a repeat pattern of men consistently failing to live up to what they and others expect of themselves
1. What are you even talking about?
2. You're not saying nearly as much as you think you are.
3. You're the one who needs to exercise some humility.

[Anonymous No.21243856]

>>21243756
>How do you guys not understand this?
If ypu hate women and think they lack imagination and aren't capable of writing about anything other than what they think and feel, you would reach the same conclussion.
That being said, considering how many women writers use their works to talk about tjemselves, their own thoughts and pit their own opinions on their characters, it's kinda the default take on women's works.

[Anonymous No.21243869]

>>21243410
someone better bring this schizo runoff to the attention of our resident glowies. we wouldn't want /lit/ to be the launching pad of an MCI just because epic classics guy here lost his marbles

[Anonymous No.21243872]

>>21243869
What's an MCI? And snitching on innocent schizoposters is shameful

[Anonymous No.21243927]

>>21243410
Nice mental breakdown. The funniest part is you got a novel outlined there and you can't see it.

[Anonymous No.21243994]

>>21238768
>>21238754
u r bof rite

[Anonymous No.21244022]

>>21240871
You have picked by far the worst thread you could have possibly picked to attempt this, especially since you're devoid of empathy.

[Anonymous No.21244065]

>>21237813
"Incels" are the disease

[Anonymous No.21244072]

>>21242737
How could I be an ethical person if I don’t have a solid intellectual foundation regarding what’s worthwhile and valuable? It’s very hard to be ethical without being great. Sure I can just be generally nice to those in my life, but that’s no better than giving money to homeless people who will spend it on meth, or being nice to everyone (including those who are harming others and deserve punishment), or being a “peaceful, law abiding citizen” who doesn’t cause any trouble. People like that do more harm than good all the time. I have to be the kind of person who’s capable of forming judgements about others and myself, and capable of articulating an ethical system.

[Anonymous No.21244100]

>>21244065
What is the cure

[Anonymous No.21244124]

>>21244100
Labor camps with a harsh nofap policy.

[Anonymous No.21244132]

>>21244100

[Anonymous No.21244141]

>>21244124
No, fucker. That's part of the cause.

[Anonymous No.21244150]

>>21244065
Incels are merely a symptom and consequnce of female hypergamy, which itself isn't a disease because women are chad's whores by nature and always have been. The real disease is "sexual liberation" and adjacent social norms. Even women are miserable nowadays and more celibate than ever, it's funny in a way.

[Anonymous No.21244207]

>>21244072
ethics is no more than duty to yourself
>Birth is cowardice: connecting to other people, because one does not have the courage to be oneself. That is why one seeks refuge in the womb.

>Man cannot even bear to look into the sun – so weak and immature is he

>The criminal does not even have a straight walk (crooked walk of the dog), not just an off centre gaze (according to M. Rappaport). The criminal also always walks continually bent over (all degrees up to a true hump: the hunchback, the cripple, always seems to be evil).

>'Smoke' of the sun at its setting

>Loathing is related to fear as desire is to worth

>Every victory of the Good in one person helps others of itself

>Not only is the Good one in humanity, but also the evil. Every victory of the Good in one person helps all others – and vice versa

>Critique of Kantian ethics and its “atheism”

>What I claim is: that the will is always good and that there cannot be any will to evil or evil will at all.

>Evil is renouncement of will and the birth of instinct out of want. This is even proven precisely by that the will is always conscious, and instinct unconscious
Greatness is just memory, remembering 'everything' in time, and taking interest in everything spatially

[Anonymous No.21244318]

>>21238904
Having read the book, your first theory on authorial intent is correct. Mosfegh is a not-too-pretty jewish woman who looks down on the WASP NYC heiresses she is forced to socialize with, and this book is just one massive condemnation of the archetype of mean white girl who contributes nothing and judges everything. The closest thing to a Mosfegh self insert is the main character's jewish, bulimic sidekick. Even then, Mosfegh likes to separate herself from her contemptible characters precisely by writing them as despicable. She prides herself on her cynicism, which is why I can't really like her personally.

[Anonymous No.21244340]

The beautiful man had such a wonderful intoxicating personality. The ugly men had such ugly personalities.

[Anonymous No.21244354]

>>21244340
that's how it usually is in real life tho, incels are like evil goblins

[Anonymous No.21244364]

>>21244207
Strangely helpful, thank you anon

[Anonymous No.21244375]

>>21243447
>Kys and take your dumb bitch cousin with you, pedersag
Oh you mad mad? What happened, did you get an Irani girl naked and realize she has more back hair than you?

[Anonymous No.21244430]

>>21238514
>anyone who objects to the current state of affairs is le funny /pol/ man
Fill a saucepan with olive oil, put it on the stovetop on high, and when it starts bubbling, just dip your face right on in there, ok bud?

[Anonymous No.21244474]

>>21238068
>>21238091
>hipster dumb moids out of shape small dick afraid of pussy too busy talking to other 'dudes' they dont really care about what they care about probably on psychiatric drugs its ok I have chad bf who is totally not like that PLEASe god PLEASE pay attention to me
Lmfao

[Anonymous No.21244499]

>>21241059
>No one grants anyone else freedom. That is a God-given right.
Freedom is created. Liberty is cultivated, not granted.

[Anonymous No.21244511]

>>21244340
based, ugly people literally deserve to die, especially ugly men.

[Anonymous No.21244512]

>>21241162
You are weirdly idyllic in your assessment of the behavior of women past, and are utterly delusional in your assessment of men in the present.
>men have zero institutional solidarity with each other and men INVARIABLY choose to believe women when it comes to domestic abuse, cheating, and so on, instead of believing the man
Millennial hands typed this post

[Anonymous No.21244658]

>>21240911
>men build rocket ships. women sustain a global slave economy by spending all their disposable income on plastic scrunchies made by chinks and watching contouring tutorial asmr by a bitch who look like a pig
saved

[Anonymous No.21244669]

>>21244340
Correct and physiognomy-pilled

[Anonymous No.21244677]

>>21241018
>That presupposes an assumption of a significant barrier to genuine development and awareness on an entire class of people that I think is specious at best.
This is where you go wrong. It isn't specious, it's easily demonstrable if you're searching in good faith, but almost nobody is.

[Anonymous No.21244730]

>>21243410
>Jorjani
What do you have against him kouroshbro?

[Anonymous No.21244732]

Have any of you actually read the book though?

[Anonymous No.21244735]

>>21244732
Oh and can someone post some excerpts because I haven't read the book either desu

[Anonymous No.21244807]

>>21244732