What’s considered the upper-middle- and high-brow canon?

[Anonymous No.21234190]

>inb4 NYRB

[Anonymous No.21234273]

Hölderlin, Heine, Broch, Beckett, Grass, Handke, O'Brien, Büchner, Kollientzinakis, Babel

[Anonymous No.21234309]

did he delete the tweet or am i banned
i was gonna call him a little faggot

[Anonymous No.21234324]

Burroughs does not belong desu

[Anonymous No.21234345]

What do I give a fuck what Jew Yorkers and Jew Englanders read? Have these cunts ever met someone outside their dad pays my rent bubble? College ended when you left college. Stop trying to live "the life of the mind (read: a fag)" on Twitter indefinitely. You are gay. Your opinions on what is "middlebrow" are gay. Go have your half-Asian or half-Jewish kid with your 34 year old neverwife girlfriend and be quiet.

[Anonymous No.21234348]

>>21234345
he can't hear you anon

[Anonymous No.21234353]

>>21234348
He can.

[Anonymous No.21234367]

>>21234190
>Jews are le white!
>everything is about le race

[Anonymous No.21234374]

>>21234324
Based, the only one of them i wouldn't by necessity call middlebrow.

[Anonymous No.21234410]

>he killed the entire /lit/ in 1 (one) tweet

[Anonymous No.21234449]

>>21234410
>doesn't mention pynchon, joyce, or wallace
swing and a miss

[Anonymous No.21234469]

>>21234190
Which Wolfe is he talking about?

[Anonymous No.21234482]

>>21234190
This retard is including Henry Miller and agreeing with commenters that TS Eliot, Dostovesky, Fitzgerald is middlebrow. He’s a retarded (((academic))) at a mediocre school like CUNY.

[Anonymous No.21234504]

>>21234469
thomas wolfe is peak midwit so probably him

[Anonymous No.21234507]

>genre fiction

[Anonymous No.21234520]

>>21234504
>t. haven’t read him
That much was obvious

[Anonymous No.21234538]

>>21234190
These twitter losers are so obsessed with labels and categorization.

[Anonymous No.21234573]

>>21234345
too real

[Anonymous No.21234605]

>>21234345
Capote: Well, it has brought about the rise of what I call the Jewish Mafia in American letters. This is a clique of New York-oriented writers and critics who control much of the literary scene through the influence of the quarterlies and intellectual magazines. All these publications are Jewish-dominated and this particular coterie employs them to make or break writers by advancing or withholding attention. I don’t think there’s any conscious, sinister conspiracy on their part—just a determination to see that members of their particular clique rise to the top. Bernard Malamud and Saul Bellow and Philip Roth and Isaac Bashevis Singer and Norman Mailer are all fine writers, but they’re not the only writers in the country, as the Jewish literary Mafia would have us believe. I could give you a list of excellent writers, such as John Knowles and Vance Bourjaily and James Purdy and Donald Windham and Reynolds Price and James Leo Herlihy and Calder Willingham and John Hawkes and William Goyen; the odds are you haven’t heard of most of them, for the simple reason that the Jewish Mafia has systematically frozen them out of the literary scene. Now, mind you, I’m not against any particular group adhering to its own literary values and advancing its own favored authors; such cliques have always existed in American letters. I only object when any one particular group—and it could just as well be Southern, or Roman Catholic, or Marxist, or vegetarian—gets a strangle hold on American criticism and squeezes out anybody who doesn’t conform to its own standards. It’s fine to write about specifically Jewish problems, and it often makes valid and exciting literature—but the people who have other messages to convey, other styles and other backgrounds should also be given a chance. Today, because of the predominance of the Jewish Mafia, they’re not being given that opportunity. This is something everyone in the literary world knows but never writers about.

Playboy: Aren’t you opening yourself up to a charge of anti-Semitism?

Capote: No.

[Anonymous No.21234631]

>>21234573
Why are you a jew?

[Anonymous No.21234638]

Funny all the jew authors, like the beats, are forced on us at school while stuff like Tolkien finds fans regardless.

[Anonymous No.21234648]

>>21234638
Tolkien is shit pushed by Hollywood.

[Anonymous No.21234661]

>>21234648
b8

[Anonymous No.21234667]

>>21234661
You first engaged with it trough the kike movie and you're lying because you hate the owners of your mind (not you)

[Anonymous No.21234671]

>21234667
try a little harder

[Anonymous No.21234677]

>>21234671
you're lying because you hate the owners of your mind (not you)

[Anonymous No.21234679]

>>21234667
holy projection. what an embarrassing post lmao

[Anonymous No.21234682]

>>21234190
The greatest trick the Jews ever pulled was convincing the world that they were white.

[Anonymous No.21234689]

>>21234682
Jews invented the concept of whiteness to divide Christendom.

[Anonymous No.21234698]

>>21234679
I already said anything that needs to be said here >>21234679
You can fume and deny all you want. You will still leave this thread knowing that I am right. Seethe forevermore. There is no escape from the truth.

[Anonymous No.21234703]

>>21234667
What are you talking about? Zoomers are the only group that applies too. Millennials READ Tolkien before the movies.

[Anonymous No.21234704]

>>21234698
*Here >>21234677
lol

[Anonymous No.21234714]

>>21234703
No they didn't. And more specifically you didn't.
Not that it changes anything. It's still shit pushed by Hollywood.

[Anonymous No.21234739]

Wolfe (Gene) is anything but middlebrow

[Anonymous No.21234759]

I LOVE how no ‘serious critic’ gave Tolkien even a *mention* until the movies made billions.
Now they act like it was HS required

[Anonymous No.21234760]

>>21234739
Sci-fi is universally lowbrow except for Wells, Verne, and maybe Zamyatin.

[Anonymous No.21234765]

>>21234703
damn I wish slavery were still legal

[Anonymous No.21234766]

>>21234760
G man isn't sci-fi

[Anonymous No.21234767]

>>21234759
Tolkien is for plebs. Literally Harry Potter tier. It's lower than middle brow.

[Anonymous No.21234782]

>>21234759
b8

[Anonymous No.21234805]

>>21234345
post feet, madame

[Anonymous No.21234812]

The fact is - all fiction is middlebrow *at best*. The difference between a Romance comic book written in 1964 aimed at 14 year girls and whatever-the-fuck litfic you put on your shelf to try to convince the MA in English barista you invited over for take-out empanadas to take of her shirt is about 1 cm.

[Anonymous No.21234822]

>>21234812
What’s some high brow non-fic?

[Anonymous No.21234825]

>40 replies to the thread
>no answer to the question asked apart from the first post
>39 butthurt replies
A truly middlebrow reaction

[Anonymous No.21234846]

>>21234698
I will leave this thread fondly remembering my parents introducing me to tolkeins books years before a hollywood movie was ever made you deranged retard

[Anonymous No.21234849]

>>21234190
Wallace, Pynchon, McCarthy, Miller, Burroughs, Hesse, Joyce, Steinbeck, Yates...

[Anonymous No.21234914]

Why are you guys interpreting this as pejorative?

[Anonymous No.21234930]

>>21234914
Because the “academic” in question is using it as a pejorative and if you peruse his retarded twatter tweets, he whinges endlessly about white men

[Anonymous No.21234945]

>>21234914
Because it includes race and mentions "middle brow", how is it not pejorative?

[Anonymous No.21234971]

>>21234190
Hölderlin, Heine, Broch, Beckett, Grass, Handke, O'Brien, Büchner, Kollientzinakis, Babel

[Anonymous No.21235213]

>>21234190
upper middle
>flaubert, mccarthy, stendhal, poe, pynchon, wallace, steinbeck, auden
high brow
>a theroux, melville, stevens, swinburne, gass, gaddis, zola, proust, and virgil

[Anonymous No.21235218]

>>21235213
>high brow
>>a theroux

[Anonymous No.21235229]

>>21234469
Tom

[Anonymous No.21235288]

>>21235218
>B train
Pathetic UWSers should be disembowled

[Anonymous No.21235359]

>>21235229
Who?

[Anonymous No.21235480]

>>21234190
Burgess, Kesey, Camus, Hesse, Beckett, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Colin Wilson, Nitchee, Melville, Stendhal, Miller, Celine, Kerouac, Bukowski, Burroughs, Genet,

[Anonymous No.21235517]

>>21234367
this lol

[Anonymous No.21235616]

>>21234190
Hölderlin, Heine, Broch, Beckett, Grass, Handke, O'Brien, Büchner, Kollientzinakis, Babel

[Anonymous No.21235835]

"Forgotten" Anglo, Jewish, and Irish American authors lie Sinclair Lewis, John O'Hara, Gore Vidal etc.

[Anonymous No.21235840]

>>21234345
You are the most based person on this board

[Anonymous No.21236557]

>>21234667
22 here, didn't watch the movies until a few years ago but read the books (starting with the hobbit) in middle school

[Anonymous No.21236621]

>>21234760
Low brow is preferable to mid brow. Low brow you can get a beer with, mid brow wants to drink "sambuca like I had on my trip to Italy"

[Anonymous No.21236674]

>>21234190
>upper middle
>>21234849 and Kafka, Proust, Joseph Roth, Thomas Mann, Baudelaire, Tolstoy, Nabokov, Whitman, Rilke, Montaigne are the kind of writers my Ivy League professor Jewish relatives read
>highbrow
idk any of these people but I imagine classicists who read stuff like Plutarch, Boethius or Tang poetry
>>21234760
Strugatsky brothers and Lem are solid middlebrow

[Anonymous No.21236683]

>>21235480
Beckett is as high brow as fiction goes. Celine and Burroughs too.

[Anonymous No.21236706]

>>21234667
Zoomer detected. The Hobbit has been a beloved children's classic for the best part of a century and The Lord of the Rings was solidified as a cult favourite in the 60s. If you were a moderately bookish child growing up at the end of the 20th century you would've been well familiar with both long before the Jackson movies came out.

[Anonymous No.21236714]

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[Anonymous No.21236737]

>>21234190
>upper middle
XIX century French realist novels, German decadentism, American post-modernism
>high-brow
Joyce, Proust, Musil, maybe Nabokov, as well as all poetry

[Anonymous No.21236936]

Middlebrow or any-brow are terms not to be taken seriously, people who use them are best avoid. If used and taken casually, then I would define it as fiction with linear, straightforward, tree part structure, conclusive ending with little wraparound tie. Driven by plot, with clear morality, often didactic and written in a third person. Simple language and formally conservative narrative.

[Anonymous No.21236964]

>>21236737
high-brow is just being gay?

[Anonymous No.21236965]

>>21234324
That guy was total nigger jew. The worst person. He literally came from an almost aristocratic family. A child like that would never become this kind of degenerate filth if it wasn't for the pure evil in himself alone. God I hate this guy

[Anonymous No.21237020]

>>21234345

[Anonymous No.21237207]

>>21234822
The Summa Theologica

[Anonymous No.21237221]

>>21236964
high brow is reading 20th ce novels and 20th ce french philosophy in translation but mostly in the youtube essays format

[Anonymous No.21237486]

>>21236964
After the revolution, pretty much. Originally "high brow" was simply aristocratic blood that could trace its origin back to martial valour and territorial claim.

[Anonymous No.21237947]

>>21237207
>non-fic

[Anonymous No.21238638]

>>21237207
Nope

[Anonymous No.21238682]

>>21234345
I'm trying to figure out why random goyslops on Twitter are tweeting 4channel bait, and other (maybe?) random goyslops on /lit/ are reposting it, literally reposting Twitter screencaps in the year 2000 BCE+4022 and not getting banned for it.

[Anonymous No.21238719]

>>21238682
2000 BCE+4021
there's no 0

[Anonymous No.21238750]

>>21238719
Respect

[Anonymous No.21239104]

>>21234190
>Middlebrow canon
What a pretentious little turd.

[Anonymous No.21239508]

>>21234605
This is literally what Kanye said

[Anonymous No.21239637]

>>21234667
my mum read The Hobbit to me as a kid because I have a functional family

[Anonymous No.21241137]

>>21234469
Gene wolfe? scifi i think right?

[Anonymous No.21241302]

>>21234345
Indescribably based. Don't care if I'm redditposting right now, but someone finally had the nuts to call out any faggot that only reads for social clout and not for the material. It's one of the reasons I hate there's a "canon" of literature: people act like these books are absolutely necessary to be a well-rounded person when they themselves aren't when they finish them and there are a plethora of great books to read that aren't part of that canon. I suspect it has to do with publishers pushing this meme for monetary gain.

[Anonymous No.21241362]

>>21234190
I do not understand the mind of self-hating people. What compels a white man to go and shit on white race, on the greats it produced? Is this some sort of death drive? Antinatalism manifest?

[Anonymous No.21241378]

>>21241302
The canon was simply an efficient way to get the maximum pleasure and fun from book consumption. It's only the middle class that needs a cringe self improvement reason to do things. The upper class (i.e. the original canon readership) - the upper class doesn't give a shit about self improvement, they just want to chill out and have fun. Watch Prince Charles's weather report on BBC Scotland, it's like 2 minutes long. He's just having fun fucking around. Life is a big joke. Wodehouse had it accurate.

[Anonymous No.21241392]

>>21241362
the self depreciation is inherent in the gentile form of judaism, ie christinaity, and since the day judeo-atheism took over, it remained at the core. See al the male comedians who love self depreciation.
This is also why female comedians all suck, because females are glorified in all cultures, since men compete for women in all cultures, but it's even more pronounced in judeo atheist democracies were women thrive so much thanks to the liberalization of their sexual market.
Now this is individualistic self depreciation

the social self depreciation was created after ww2 in europe precisely by the jews who milked the shoah as much as they could. Especially in France. You have to understand that France was riddled with communists and socialists in all layers of society (especially the higher layers) and jews like Henry-Levy loved to push for self-depreciation.

Now you combine this with the faux-introspective desire by women as an attempt to NOT pass as shallow entitled princesses living an easily life precisely thanks to the 1000s orbiters they have thanks to the liberalization of the sex market, and you get a whole industry based on theatrical self depreciation.

[Anonymous No.21241405]

>>21234345
I concur.

[Anonymous No.21241411]

>>21241302
It's a case of pseuds obsessing over being widely read instead of well read. If you can't actually engage with a text and take what you've learnt and apply it to life, you are an ingrate. The 'canon' of literature represents the development and origins of the western cultures and thought over time. A canon will exist as long as people who still read (and write) exist.

[Anonymous No.21241415]

>>21234190
this is the kind of creature that thinks Australian abbo cave scribbles are the highest form of art because it’s “authentic”

[Anonymous No.21241418]

>>21234309
https://twitter.com/timothyraubry/status/1590031912046776321

[Anonymous No.21241424]

>>21234190
>here’s my shitty bait take
>I refuse to elaborate on twitter so if you want an explanation you have to buy my book

LMAO

[Anonymous No.21241467]

>>21241378
Yeah. Taking life too seriously is a good way to end up dead sooner really. I can at least agree with the Old Money upper class on that.

>>21241411
I'm not even shitting on the canon itself or the idea of one. I think you put it nicely in that the canon is a representation of the origin and development of Western culture. At the same time, I see people throwing names like Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine, T.S. Eliot and Dostoevsky around while living lives that are diametrically opposed to what they professed. It's very clear they got little out of those books otherwise they would at least not be hypocritical faggots.

[Anonymous No.21241519]

>>21241424
Man imagine if this guy was your son

[Anonymous No.21242348]

huhh

[Anonymous No.21242532]

>>21241424