Best history of the Ostsiedlung

[Anonymous No.21223556]

has to be in English though, preferrably pre WW2

[Anonymous No.21223640]

>>21223556
>Germans migrate east
>Germans start replacing previous inhabitants in places of power
>Germans start claiming "This is actually OUR land actually"
>Germans declare war to take over those lands
White people complain about Hispanics, Middle Easterners, South Asians, East Asians, and Africans taking their jobs, replacing their communities, and some day taking away their countries, possibly by war. But Germans literally did it in Europe first, to other white people. Are Germans even white? Unlike the other whites they also didn't even colonize much of anything. They only ever invaded other Europeans, first from inside, then using that as their cause for declaring ownership and war.

[Anonymous No.21223644]

>>21223640
not what I asked

[Anonymous No.21223691]

>>21223556
Drang nach osten*

[Anonymous No.21223693]

>>21223691
okay fair, but I’d like some book recs, especially from a German perspective

[Anonymous No.21223965]

>>21223640
it's funny when you look at the map, they almost always migrate to the parts of Europe that we're poorer and weaker nations (even in the Tsardom) while France, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Belgium and Italy is clean of them
Their migration really seems protestant, almost like it was their duty to help the struggling nations to become better through them

[Anonymous No.21223972]

>>21223965
>poorer and weaker nations
That's generally how colonialism works. English Puritans didn't run off to France to sell their small-pox blankets. Because they would have been told "We're full"

[Anonymous No.21224049]

>>21223640
>Are Germans even white
You mutts are insufferable.

[Anonymous No.21224268]

bump

[Anonymous No.21224345]

I recommend to you Max Webers inaugural speech when he took up his professorship in Freiburg, called
>The national state and economic policy
which deals with the Ostsiedlung as it was present in German discourse on the eve of WW1. It's also called the "Freiburg address". Not exactly a history of the entire thing but if you're interested in the topic, you should read it (it's only a speech, not long at all).

[Anonymous No.21224846]

>>21223556
I'm currently going through a medieval European phase so this is a pretty interesting topic. Bumping for recs.

[Anonymous No.21224888]

>>21223556
around germans never relax

[Anonymous No.21225025]

>>21223640
kind of an incoherent post. white people did the exact same to the native americans in spirit even if theres some nuance to it

right wingers dont racialise the migration and take over, they simply point it out as a fact of human existence

[Anonymous No.21225055]

>>21223556
Has any other nation done this? I'm not talking about the mass migrations at the end of the classical era, but setting up these networks of German towns and cities in a sea of Slavs, Hungarians, Romanians, etc.
It reminds me of the ancient Greek colonisation stategy more than anything.

[Anonymous No.21225482]

>>21224345
thanks

[Anonymous No.21225515]

When you study untouchable topics from oblique angles you often find little kernels that make you go “uh oh maybe I was misled”. This is kinda a big one. A WW2 era claim from mustache man like “dude every country was actually lead by an Aryan minority group and there’s a subterranean race war going on against them” has to be over half true. Germonkies colonized everything everywhere and it’s possible to cast a lot of political struggles as autochthonous revolts against their rule if you wanted to

[Anonymous No.21225642]

>>21225515
I’m not arguing that, or anything

[Anonymous No.21226510]

>>21225055
yes, the Chinese all over southeast Asia

[Anonymous No.21226521]

>>21226510
pic rel

[Anonymous No.21226873]

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[Anonymous No.21227328]

>>21223640
>he doesn't know about the East Germanic tribes like the Goths
>he doesn't realize that Poland used to be Germanic before it got colonized by Sl*vs

[Anonymous No.21227475]

>>21226510
>>21226521
Pretty interesting, I know embarassingly little about Asia. Might be my next deep dive.

[Anonymous No.21227491]

>>21226521
I wonder how these Chinese people survived nationalism and Islamification at different points in history, the situation is definitely a good comparison with germans and jews etc

[Anonymous No.21228401]

>>21223556
Are you the anon I recommended From Catherine to Kruschev by Giesinger to? Are you working backwards?

[Anonymous No.21228951]

>>21225055
the jews

[Anonymous No.21229140]

>>21228401
no, and sadly aside from the Freiburg Address (which I find hard to access) I’ve gotten no real response so far, just endless unrelated anti-German diatribes

[Anonymous No.21229147]

>>21229140
Are you german/speak german?

[Anonymous No.21229159]

>>21229147
Ja. Ich bin geboren in einem Dorf das im Schatten des Piz Palü liegt.

[Anonymous No.21229160]

>>21229147
I suppose ethnically but my German is not too good
>>21229159
tf dude

[Anonymous No.21230412]

>>21227491
>nationalism
It varies based on the country. In the Philippines and Indonesia, anti-Chinese sentiment led local Chinese to change their names, convert to Christianity (even in Indonesia; Christianity was less respected than Islam, but it was more respected than traditional Chinese religion), and adopt the local lingua franca. In Thailand, there was little anti-Chinese sentiment, which ironically led to a similar de-Sinification; the Chinese frequently married native Thai women and assimilated into mainstream Thai society, so that nowadays a huge percentage of Thais have some Chinese ancestry, but very few are culturally Chinese. In Malaysia, the Chinese have been able to maintain something of a parallel society; they have their own schools and social networks (the real-life kind, not the online kind), and Malaysian law bans interreligious marriage, which keeps the Chinese from mixing into Malay society. Singapore is majority Chinese and was established in large part to preserve the Chinese element in society. I don't know anything about the Chinese in other SEA countries.
>Islamification
I think most of the Chinese in SEA came after that.

[Anonymous No.21230420]

>>21230412
Slight correction: Malaysian law bans marriage between Muslims and non-Muslims. Members of other religious groups can marry, so there's a sizeable number of Chinese-Indian marriages.

[Anonymous No.21230830]

>>21223693
The Northern Crusades: Second Edition
The Germans and the East
The Chronicle of Henry of Livonia (primary source)

[Anonymous No.21230912]

>>21223965
i dont know much about this topic but I imagine they could afford more farmland in poland or russia than somewhere with a denser population

[Anonymous No.21231157]

>>21223556
I asked my Kraut friend and basically there aren't any, even in Germany it's a pretty niche subject.
He read Die Deutsch Ostsiedlung by Charles Higounet, apparently that's the comprehensive history on the ostsiedlung but as you can probably tell it's written German.

[Anonymous No.21231176]

>>21225055
What you're interested in is called middleman minorities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middleman_minority
Pierre van den Berghe's The Ethnic Phenomenon talks a lot about them. Greeks, Lebanese, Circassians, Armenians, Jews, Chinese, certain Indian cultures all fall into this category in different parts of the world.

[Anonymous No.21231363]

>>21229140
I focus on later history so I'm not really much help. I know more about Ostflucht (the reverse phenomenon where ethnic Germans, Poles, and Slavs started returning to Prussia from the area now known as Poland because Prussia's cities were becoming major) and the period around industrialisation rather than the middle ages.
I know there's some German resettlement along the Danube from Saxony during Joseph II because of the retreat of the Ottomans, but that's about as far back as my knowledge goes.
You might want something about medieval central Europe, but again, I'm not much help there. Bump

[Anonymous No.21231804]

>>21231157
sad!

[Anonymous No.21231813]

i dreamed about choking a german to death. his neck felt like rubber.

[Anonymous No.21232497]

>>21231813
Fucking psycho

[Anonymous No.21232516]

>>21231176
Thanks anon, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

[Anonymous No.21232566]

>>21223556
First time I'm seeing the line westwards?
I thought Hitler respected Walloons as germanic and French as an honorable, capable people.
Did he originally have plans to push the people in those regions out?

[Anonymous No.21232690]

>>21223640
Germans are racial imperialists, like Africans
Africans and Germans are the two only races of people whining when a specific place or specific area has not enough africans/germans, and have that weird instinct to displace other people wherever they settle.

[Anonymous No.21232711]

>>21232566
Looks like the borders of the HRE

[Anonymous No.21232729]

>>21232711
it isn't, it's rather a linguistic map
walloons were part of the HRE and not the Flemish, not the West flemish anyway

[Anonymous No.21233956]

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[Anonymous No.21234066]

>>21232690
wut?

[Anonymous No.21234084]

Not exactly what you're looking for but this book has an entire chapter devoted to the historical context of German presence in the east
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_German_Myth_of_the_East

[Anonymous No.21234181]

>>21223640
You fucking retarded nigger Mexicans come to the US for jobs and settle in megacities living off welfare. These german people were settling literal empty land in Eastern Europe and improving the local area by building villages and contributing to the farming and production industry. None of these places complained about Germans living among them. The Wolga-Deutsch werent expelled til the late 1930's they were treated better than the kulaks were. Its not like Eastern Europe was some highly advanced civilization lmao. Even today most of that land is barren and uninhabited swamp or steppe.

[Anonymous No.21234209]

>>21232690
>he says this as Germans are being replaced in their own homeland jahr after jahr.

They also didnt displace anyone. They emigrated legally and were given plots of land in literal swamps and prairies and shit and built their own infrastructure. I dont see africans doing that anywhere, not even in Africa.