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[Anonymous No.21209426]

Fun book but a stupid critique of facism

[Anonymous No.21210750]

>>21209426
what's a good critique of fascism that doesn't rely on moralfagging?

[Anonymous No.21210752]

>>21210750
There are none.

[Anonymous No.21210793]

>>21210750
The bible

[Anonymous No.21210820]

>>21210750
There are none because fascism is a criticism of academia-worshipping intellectualism and they (almost anyone who identifies with academic intellectualism) absolutely cannot stand it.
That's why pretty much all academic works about fascism are simply wrong. Because the authors of those works are unwilling to interact with the sources, because they hold up a mirror and they dont like the picture

[Anonymous No.21210827]

>>21210793
Which sections in particular?

[Anonymous No.21210844]

>>21210750
>Our image of fascism should not be Nazi parades, Japanese carrier fleets, or that big funny building in fascist Rome with Mussolini’s face and the word SI all over it – it should be the haunted faces of the elderly Volksturm militias advancing with their ancient rifles to the front, and the Hitler Youth, children with Panzerfausts hiding in ditches to blow up Soviet tanks. It should be weeping kamikaze pilots mumbling along to their patriotic songs as they prepare to board their outmoded fighters to kill themselves pointlessly against the decks of American ships. It should be Mussolini’s corpse hung up after being riddled with bullets by partisans while trying to flee, the most ignoble death possible in defiance of all of his grandiose fantasies. It should be all these things, because they capture much better the absurd contrast of the fascist dream with reality, the inverted world in which Actually Existing Fascism lived and breathed for that brief moment before hurling itself onto the flames.

>In the fascist world, victory is death, and survival is failure. The Volksgemeinschaft can only be stitched together in a war that is more total, more radical than we can even imagine today, an insane form of surgery that inevitably kills the patient. This is part of why there were no more fascisms after 1945, at least not in the sense that anyone anywhere rose to claim the mantle Hitler took with him to his grave, at least outside of small groups of outsiders and weirdos. In the ideological race of the twentieth century liberalism and communism were competing to sell themselves to both a developed world recovering from war and trauma and to a developing world awakening from feudalism and colonialism; hey, said the liberals, freedom is the natural human condition. Hey, said the communists, true freedom lies with freedom from exploitation, and only socialism can protect you from exploitation. In what way could fascism, once the truth of its twisted existence had come to light, sell itself to anyone? Hey, it might say, this is a big can of poison that will absolutely murder you. Who’s gonna buy that?

>But also we might consider that if fascism was a can of poison, a toxic ideology that depended upon its own collapse, then the rupturing of that can leaked into the air a political style that, diffused, drifted around the world, infecting living things with its toxin instead of proclaiming itself as a coherent thing (which now, with its original form completely destroyed, it was no longer was able to do). Fascism as a political system is dead. But something else of it lives on.
https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2021/11/06/fascism-without-fascism-or-whatever-happened-to-the-ubermensch-of-tomorrow/

https://youtu.be/--IcZadVuj0

[Anonymous No.21210857]

[Anonymous No.21210864]

>>21210750
WW2

[Anonymous No.21210866]

>>21210864
LOL

[Anonymous No.21210882]

>>21210844
>In the fascist world, victory is death, and survival is failure
What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.21210891]

>>21210820
>Because the authors of those works are unwilling to interact with the sources

That is one thing I've noticed with critiques of fascism: there is little effort to understand the fascists themselves. Imagine criticizing communism and Marxism without reading Marx or Lenin or other authors, or criticizing liberalism without refering to Smith or Locke. There is not even an effort for an archaelogy of ideas for fascism.

[Anonymous No.21210893]

>>21210750
The Fourth Political Theory

[Anonymous No.21211450]

>>21210844
Lmao this is some serious wartime and postwar propaganda répétition.
It'd be like saying that commies would use the gulags and capitalists use pictures of empty, closed down walmarts with junkies in the parking lot to promote themselves.
The quote you posted shows that this anon >>21210820 is right: there exists no serious critique of fascism.

[Anonymous No.21211491]

>>21211450
>p-propaganda!!!
There is a reason fascist governments failed to gain a lasting foothold, even their best and luckiest leaders (such as Franco) couldn't secure a legacy and their governments died with them.
>inb4 the media is constantly crying about fascism
Imagine trusting the great distraction machine.
>inb4 what about communism
You hinted at it and Ukraine made it plain, behind the Potemkin village there is nothing but gulags and obscene corruption.
>inb4 what about capitalism
Remember the walmart wagie dances?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.21212052]

>>21209426
Not as stupid as people trying to defend fascism

[Anonymous No.21212628]

>>21210820
>The problem with fascism, is all the non-fascists
Right...

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.21212667]

>>21210820
Dishonest bullshit excuse.
Fascism is imperialism of an even more odious odor. It assumes superiority over other races in order to whip up a murderous fervor. No “civilization” has gone without this kind of thing, but that certainly doesn’t excuse it.
>>21210750
Funny how the morality fag christcucks come back with an amoral might-makes-right argument so they can murder whoever they want. It’s primitive and miserable. You want this as some kind of revenge, do you? Your penis not getting watered enough, so you want war? That’s it?
Stupid liberals

[Anonymous No.21212743]

>>21212667
>Fascism is imperialism of an even more odious odor. It assumes superiority over other races in order to whip up a murderous fervor.
You clearly have read no actual fascist writers, only the academics I deride in my post.
>>21211491
Your post is incomprehensible gibberish.
>>21212052
You're a retard as well.

[Anonymous No.21212890]

>>21210891
This is a good point, I've noticed the same. It starts with the fact that very few people are even able to give a concise definition of fascism or explain basic cornerstones of the ideology. It has also become so ubiquitous as a slur against anything to the right of the political center that the word itself has almost lost all meaning.

[Anonymous No.21212891]

>>21212743
>if you disagree u r dumb!1!!1!!
Most eloquent fascist thinker

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.21213038]

>>21212743
No, only the actual results of their exploits.
Doesn’t matter what their theory says. The results are what proves their worthlessness.
Only the whiny nihilistic racist nationalists are attracted to this shit and they’re somewhat betrayed on the battlefield when history shows it’s all to uphold the power elites. They’re no different.

[Anonymous No.21213264]

>>21210844
Idk sounds pretty fuckin metal

[Anonymous No.21213820]

>>21210750
Unironically Chaplin's speech at the end of The Great Dictator.
Every other criticism misses the point entirely.
Chaplin's speech is adresses fascism and the machinisation of man directly; one can disagree with him, but at least he is actually adressing fascism, instead of strawmen.