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[Anonymous No.21199649]

Kafka BTFO by science

[Anonymous No.21199651]

LIVIN' LIKE A BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUG AIN'T EASY

[Anonymous No.21199658]

[Anonymous No.21199668]

>>21199658
wtf was his problem?

[Anonymous No.21199677]

>>21199658
>>21199649
rationalist reddit atheist brain can't comprehend art that is surreal and requires interpretation

[Anonymous No.21199686]

>>21199649
>>21199658
autism personified

[Anonymous No.21199690]

>>21199658
He's right. All of these are better choices for the Nobel prize than Annie Erneaux.

[Anonymous No.21199730]

[Anonymous No.21199750]

A thread died for this

[Anonymous No.21199757]

>>21199649
Has anyone ever asked Dawkins why he thinks equality is "good"? Is he religious or something?

[Anonymous No.21199823]

>>21199658
soience goy

[Anonymous No.21199834]

>>21199730
>"if it is symbolic, how is that real presence"
w-wow... sugoi... so this is the power of rationalism...

[Anonymous No.21199854]

It doesn't bother me what the blue checkmark said so much as it bothers me that what he said is emblematic of the world I'm fated to live and die in.

[Anonymous No.21199855]

>>21199730
He's literally correct. The Catholic explanation is nonsense, how does a substance have ALL the accidental properties of a different substance, to the point that there is no detectable trace of the first substance whatsoever? Protestant and Eastern Orthodox explanations are just vague, wtf even is a "spiritual presence" of blood and flesh, physical things? And Orthodox just say it's a mystery and give up.

[Anonymous No.21199868]

>>21199730
This question has torn Christianity apart multiple times so if you laugh at it then you're more ignorant than him.

[Anonymous No.21199912]

>>21199649
If you think atheists own science, you're a faggot. If you deny science to own the atheists, your denying yourself the pleasure of exploring gods creation with the faculty of reason that he gifted to all men.
>>21199855
>>21199868
This >>21199730 is clearly a papist parody of the post in the OP trying to dunk on protestants, retards.
It's retarded bullshit meant to astound and stupefy the plebian masses. This is not Christianity.

[Anonymous No.21199960]

>>21199658
>>21199649
God, I hate twitter threads so much

[Anonymous No.21199991]

>>21199658
For this he must die

[Anonymous No.21200011]

>>21199658
>Steven Pinker
what a retard

[Anonymous No.21200016]

>>21199730
>aristotelian nonsense (not in bible)
lmao

[Anonymous No.21200028]

>>21200016
That's a hilariously blunt and simplified way to say it, but I totally agree with him on that

[Anonymous No.21200052]

>>21199649
>pay attention to me on twitter I even do HOT TAKES

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M9HgzXVVo6E

[Anonymous No.21200055]

>>21199649
Is this real? I didn't think anyone could be filtered by "Metamorphosis"

[Anonymous No.21200324]

>>21199649
He's right and no one wants to admit it. Art and the humanities are totally unnecessary nowadays. There's nothing you can get out of reading Kafka that would be better than reading science textbooks

[Anonymous No.21200348]

>>21199649
More like science BTFO by Kafka desu senpai

[Anonymous No.21200353]

>>21199730
Even if it weren't in the bible, that wouldn't matter.

[Anonymous No.21200359]

>>21199868
That's not true. What are you even referring to?

[Anonymous No.21200363]

>>21199677
checked truth dubs

[Anonymous No.21200381]

>>21199912
cope. just admit the broken clock is right this time, the "logic" behind the eucharist is absurd. well, unless you're an unironic christcuck in 2022 in which case *jerk off gesture*

[Anonymous No.21200970]

its not an allegory, gregor turns into a monstrous vermin

[Anonymous No.21201048]

>>21199868
It may have torn different Protestant denominations apart, but it has never torn Christianity, as such, apart (the Reformation breakaway did not rest on controversy over the meaning of Christ's words of institution).

>How did Marburg colloquy not solve this?
As a Catholic, I find this peculiarly amusing. The Colloquy of Marburg didn't solve bupkis, Professor D, because you can never resolve theological controversies with a sola scriptura-based approach. Scripture is not perspicuous, nor can it interpret itself. What is needed is an authoritative interpreter (which Christ provided, in the Church He founded, which is not hard to find -- you know, the one built on Rock).

[Anonymous No.21201063]

>>21199649
I like Dawkins but wow, what a fucking brainlet. Worship of science is as bad as any kind of worship.

[Anonymous No.21201065]

>>21201048
That church was busy when Luther wanted an interpretation, I can't remember why, something to do with a century of temporal popes trading the papacy between Italian families for influence preceded by another century of temporal popes living in France

[Anonymous No.21201106]

>>21199649
I like Kafka, but I do think that his expressionism, especially in the case of The Metamorphosis has some real limitations.

[Anonymous No.21201120]

>>21199677
What does recognising the obvious truth of non existence of god got to do with interpreting art? Can you show me the connection here.

>>21201063
I used to like him but then he put his weight behind lgbt agenda. And the christcucks here are right about one thing. He hates religion but he himself is following one, not atheism of course as these brainlets put it, but the religion of progressive secular humanism. Heck he himself says he's a cultural christian

[Anonymous No.21201210]

>>21199649
>posting Dawkins opinion
>""""science""""
You Dawkinite fanboys are the worst. How that midwit incel gets fans in the first place is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.21201218]

>>21201063
>I like Dawkins
I won't fall for your bait.

[Anonymous No.21201231]

>>21199730
Wow, he's actually genuinely an idiot.

[Anonymous No.21201238]

>>21199649
>literally Who anglo science man displaying his matherialistic autism
Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.21201240]

>>21200055
Dawkins meta-filtered himself years ago. He can now be filtered by any and everything, and frequently is.

[Anonymous No.21201298]

>>21199730
How do people not realise this is a joke based on OP's image? What kind of absolute idiots browse this board?

[Anonymous No.21201435]

My innate rationality prevents me from having a faith, yet I hate atheists and really think that faith is a beautiful thing in general. What do?

[Anonymous No.21201457]

>>21201435
Recognise your place in nature.

[Anonymous No.21201470]

>>21199649
>Kafka was born near the Old Town Square in Prague, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. His family were German-speaking middle-class Ashkenazi Jews.
Hmmmm

[Anonymous No.21201498]

>>21199730
69 21 420 lol

[Anonymous No.21201611]

>>21199658
to be fair, Sagan was the best "science communicator" type in modern times

[Anonymous No.21201743]

>>21199649
Surely he can't be that retarded and haughty at the same time. It's like reading a take of a facebook soccer mom

[Anonymous No.21201839]

>>21199690
Sagan would have been more deserving of than Dylan.

[Anonymous No.21201980]

>>21201435
Read Kierkegaard I guess.

[Anonymous No.21201994]

>>21199649
Reminds me of the Antonioni quote (I wish I could find it) about how Americans want closure and simplicity in their movies while Euros are comfortable with ambiguity and things which can't be explained easily with language. Obviously not the same medium and nationality, but I think the Dawkins thing shows that even most Euros are as literal-minded as the average American.

[Anonymous No.21202061]

>>21201994
Isn't he English?

[Anonymous No.21202064]

>>21201298
I literally explained it here >>21199912 and yet these baboons still don't get it.

[Anonymous No.21202085]

>>21201839
Fuck you Dylan's a genius.
Theme Time Radio Hour is his best work.

[Anonymous No.21202130]

>>21199730
Each member of the Trinity is infinite and transcends material reality. It's easy for Christ to subsume the bread as part of his infinite body and be wholly present in it. Reading up on Eucharistic miracles has helped me understand it better, even if man will never really be able to understand a true mystery.

[Anonymous No.21202192]

>>21199649
>dawkins
actual scientists don't even take this pseud seriously

[Anonymous No.21202212]

Watching stem artists babble on about how the humanities ought to be never fails to make me cringe.

[Anonymous No.21202217]

>>21202212
>artists
autists*

[Anonymous No.21202279]

The future of art is either men like Dawkins where it no longer becomes a matter of them having poor taste but rather Art failing to register with them at all, a kind of art-blindness, or sois with encyclopedic knowledge of world religion and philosophy exclusively using their education to interpret the next Elder Scrolls video game.

[Anonymous No.21202303]

>Why do people like it? I don't therefore it's bad
Powerful stuff.

[Anonymous No.21202330]

>>21199649
it’s literally just about how freaky it would be to get turned into a bug. stop overthinking it

[Anonymous No.21202338]

>>21202303
Kek I read it again it's worse. He tries to prove those that like it wrong. Is he mentally 12?

[Anonymous No.21202372]

>>21202061
Yes, that's why I said not the same nationality, and that it isn't a purely national thing.

[Anonymous No.21202375]

>>21199649
Why are atheists such lame faggots?

[Anonymous No.21202378]

>>21199757
Why do you have to be religious to value other people or life in general? Is the only reason that you're not out murdering people, stealing, and raping because a book told you not to? That's worrying.

[Anonymous No.21202381]

>>21199649
A typical case of anglo autism.

[Anonymous No.21202416]

Dawkins has always been a good counterpoint to the popular conception of intelligence, where it's basically an innate trait that if you possess that means you're going to be proficient at any type of intellectual activity. In real life you're always shocked at how smart or accomplished people can be in one area and then revert back to being complete mental children with everything else.

[Anonymous No.21202466]

>>21199658
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.21202582]

>>21202416
Germans have a word for people like Dawkins — Fachidiot

[Anonymous No.21203437]

>>21200011
that guy's a disgusting pseud kike

[Anonymous No.21203506]

>>21202582
Is it any different from the "idiot savant", which is more insulting than 'monomaniac'?

[Anonymous No.21203772]

>>21199649
My interpretation of Metamorphosis is that it's about depression. The dude is tired of waking up early and having all these people depend on him, and one day it breaks him, in the form of becoming a giant hideous bug. It winds up being for the best because his family starts being more self-reliant, and in the end he snaps out of it.

I don't get why it's considered a "major work" though. The Old Man and the Sea isn't a major work.

[Anonymous No.21203796]

>>21199649
>pretentious Freudian

It's ironic he said this, because he is almost acting as if he were the very definition of pretentious in his very tweet.

[Anonymous No.21203805]

>>21199649
This is unironically why new age atheism destroyed atheism as a political identity forever. They exposed themselves as people who have no understanding of life itself.

[Anonymous No.21203812]

>>21201435
Realise that faith can be extremely dangerous. I recommend looking into Stoicism/Buddhism.

[Anonymous No.21203826]

>>21202582
>>21203506
Fachidiot, or in Dutch vakidioot, translate as job-moron or occupation-moron, basically someone who is good at their job, but has no or barely any education outside of it.

Basically like the atheist who says Bible dumb, because Bible says sun revolve around earth, not realising its Aristotle and his authority which kept us believing that for so long, not the Bible, its basically, people who have never read a standard text on philosophy and who dont understand that rennaissance Catholicism, is not radical protestantism.

[Anonymous No.21203832]

>>21199960
Neither of these are twitter threads

[Anonymous No.21203844]

>>21203812
>I recommend looking into Stoicism/Buddhism.
Honestly, when I see this I wonder if you studied and practise either of these in your own life? At least Christianity means community, but when I read something like this, my first inclination is basically that you are just quoting two religions you are barely familiar with as some kind of alternative that doesnt really work in the modern world.

Please tell me, what is the day to day community you are a part of, do you go to a local meditation group?

[Anonymous No.21203923]

>>21203844
You don't need a group to meditate. If you want to be a Buddhist monk you'd need to go to a formal sangha, but you don't need to be a monk to benefit from learning about Buddhism. It's very friendly to lay practice, in my experience. I can rec you some stuff on zen, if you're interested in learning more.

[Anonymous No.21203939]

>>21203923
>You don't need a group to meditate.
Yup, expected as much, if you are not part of a community, your religion is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.21203945]

>>21202130
I'm sorry Anon, but this is a heretical understanding of the Eucharist. The bread is not subsumed. Rather, the substance of the bread ceases to exist. Only the accidents remain. None of it is taken into Christ as part of his body. Rather, under the veil of the accidents of the bread and wine, Christ's glorified body--still residing in Heaven--is made physically present to us. Importantly, this is not bilocation. While under the sacramental veil, Christ remains in heaven. Christ remains under the accidents of the bread and wine until such time as the substance of bread and wine would have remained if they were there, but they are not.

These distinctions might not seem important, but they are essential. Consider it in light of the Hypostatic Union. For the incarnation, God became Man, joining perfectly a human nature to His Divine Nature. It is this union which renders the sacrifice of Calvary efficacious for the reparation of Sin. Adam, as the father and natural head of the entire Human species (and here species ought to be understood in the same way as when we discuss the species of bread and wine) brought the very nature of the species into sin. Though each sin is limited in terms of its act, it is infinite in its offense, because it is an offense against infinite majesty and goodness. Therefore, the sin of Adam which covers the whole human species--along with each additional personal sin--is irredeemable by man acting on his own, for man is finite. However, God as Man acts as both God and Man. Therefore, when Christ offers himself he acts as a man on behalf of all mankind, offering Himself--an infinitely worthy oblation--to God. However, by taking on the nature of Man, God has ennobled Human nature beyond all the rest of creation, for now only Mankind shares a nature with God.

If God took on the nature of Bread, the entire species of bread would take on some divine character. This is not so. God does not unite himself to the nature of Bread as he has united himself to the nature of Man. Neither is the eucharist merely a blessed bread. It is the Body, Blood, Sould, and Divinity of Christ, as he clearly says in scripture. Just as the woman was healed merely by touching the hem of His cloak in faith, so we, when we receive the Eucharist in faith receive directly supernatural gifts of grace by the most exalted means. Whatever glory is given to the Eucharist is not given by mediation as the honor we might give to an artist by praising a work of his in his hearing. Rather, the glory is given directly to God Himself, as though we have kissed His feet and washed His hair, for it is His body. However, if some bread were also present there, we would be giving this honor and worship tot he bread also--which would be idolatry. God of course would not establish idolatry. Therefore, by Christ's teaching we are sure that the Eucharist is Christ Himself and nothing else. Therefore, it must be that the substance of bread ceases to be.

[Anonymous No.21203967]

>>21203939
sez who

[Anonymous No.21203984]

"God is bread"
-Franklin Nigger

[Anonymous No.21203985]

>>21203967
>sez who
sigh, if you dont bother actively defining and defending the concepts you use, then my definition stands, period. I am not playing along with your larp.

[Anonymous No.21203993]

>>21199649
Stop being a bitch and post the comments below calling this posh fag out.

[Anonymous No.21204002]

>>21203985
I'm not debating you retard. I'm just recommending that anyone who's interested take some time to learn about Buddhism. Nothing more, nothing less. Look up the Three Jewels, the Four Truths, and the Eightfold Path. Interrogate the ideas, remain critical. It seems like community is really important to you, so be sure to keep your eyes open to see if Buddhism shares that value.

[Anonymous No.21204019]

>>21204002
You are not a buddhist, just a schizoid living in a fantasy world, thats why you are quoting scripture, instaid of describing your experiences inside a human community, you cant, because you are alienated from society and therefor a religious. Next year you will no doubt find some other "religion" you can larp of following, but you will always be the same nerd.

[Anonymous No.21204029]

>>21204019
I unironically feel God less when I go to church. I want to be part of a community, but it has been troubling me.

[Anonymous No.21204038]

>>21204019

[Anonymous No.21204043]

>>21204029
>I want to be part of a community, but it has been troubling me.
Typical schizoid behaviour, seek help. Stop living in a fantasy world, connect up with a community, seek help dealing with your fear of forming relationships, etc.

[Anonymous No.21204060]

>>21204043
You are talking to yourself.

[Anonymous No.21204113]

>>21204019
your post accidentally exposes what 4chan christians truly desire from their religion. Human companionship and a sense of belonging to a community. The actual religion and seeking god is completely irrelevant to your ilk. You are just feeling lonely and lost so you actually fell for a cult, it just so happens to be one of the biggest and most successful cults in the world.

[Anonymous No.21204153]

>>21199649
Wow autistic science boffin can't understand metaphor.

[Anonymous No.21204196]

>>21204113
The idea of joining a religion to fulfill a specific need you've identified in your own life should be met with suspicion.

Budhism fixes this btw

[Anonymous No.21205050]

>>21199649
fuck this guy makes me so mad.. i hate shit like this

[Anonymous No.21205159]

>>21199730
the fact that christianity has as a core part an truly unknowable being with great power, I don't think attacking how absurd the metaphysics sounds does anything.
However, pointing out that it's adhoc bullshit not present in the sppossed evealed text is a good argument.

Like the reason the trinity is bullshit isn't that it's hard to understand, but because it's not implied at all in any gospel and was made up centuries latter as a compromise.

[Anonymous No.21205199]

>>21203945
This is just the Catholic understanding which is reflected by everyone else

[Anonymous No.21205820]

>>21205199
The Catholic understanding is the only true understanding, and therefore it is the only coherent and self-consistent explanation. Further, given the reality of transubstantiation and it's importance in salvation, it is clear that the object of every heresy is perhaps first and foremost to destroy belief in the real presence. A sure test that demonstrates every heresy is to try and apply the false teachings to the Eucharist; inevitably, they will conclude that Christ is not really present. For example--the idea that it is symbolic; or that it refers to the presence of Christ in the Church rather than under the sacramental veil.

[Anonymous No.21206359]

>>21199658
pure anglo-autism

[Anonymous No.21206372]

>>21199649
>tries to "call out" a real work of art
>does nothing in his power to call out bananas taped to walls or any other fraud "art" insurance schemes
lol

[Anonymous No.21206607]

>>21199649
>>21199658
>>21199730
Twitter tweets are not /lit/.

[Anonymous No.21206722]

>>21199651
I got little tiny BUG FEET
I don't really know what BUGS EAT

[Anonymous No.21206734]

>>21199668
He’s the only person who was ever a bigger fag than an English major, apparently.

[Anonymous No.21206745]

>>21201063
Dawkins doesn’t even like Dawkins

[Anonymous No.21206854]

>>21203772
It's one of the great entry-level ones, which is something you can say of all of Hemingway's work too. Nothing wrong with this, if anything I'd say that good gateway books are extremely important.

[Anonymous No.21207026]

>>21202192
Can you post why?
Have heard this so many times but yet to see anything further