/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21053902]

I finally got around to reading this man and it's incredible how many people misread him. The situation is probably worse than with Nietzsche. Even otherwise very intelligent people have written entire screeds misunderstanding his work on a very basic level, and the funny part is it's not even very sophisticated at all. He intentionally avoids using philosophical language because that trash is for nerds, BUT he trades it for shitposting that you will really only comprehend without help if you speak German and are deeply familiar with 19th century kraut culture. And from reading commentaries + what the average 17 year old schizoid Stirner fan posts on social media (who are his only fans today), my conclusion is that 90% of people who read Stirner misread him, and that out of the 10% who don't, 9% think he's extremely cringe and the remaining 1% take his logic to its end and believe things like "you are obligated by your own interest to torture politicians you don't like to death" (kinda based t.b.h. but whatever I don't plan on killing anybody myself.) The union of egoists idea is certified retarded and where he truly goes off the rails.

It is kinda disappointing more people don't give Stirner a chance (and actually try to understand him instead of projecting bullshit onto him for their own spooked reasons), because he was right about morality and laws being fake even if he was kinda goofy about it. I can't take anarchists, commies, or really any leftists seriously after reading Stirner, they are basically just a cargo cult of his insanity.

[Anonymous No.21053927]

>>21053902
>Nobody understands him but me
>By the way I'm not going to say what I understood that others don't, I'll just claim to be superior
Ok

[Anonymous No.21053959]

>>21053927
Because if I even attempted that, this thread would devolve into an absolutely heinous slurry of shitposting by people who don't understand him and just want to have a discussion based on memes, and the aforementioned 17 year old edgelords. I am not going to explain Stirner's autistic shit in the thread, you can read his two things worth reading in English here:

>only official English translation from forever ago
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stirner/ego-and-its-own.htm

>newer translation many people like, by some dude
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-unique-and-its-property

>stirner clarifies his beliefs after his book creates minor seethe
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-stirner-s-critics

I simply made this thread as a PSA that you should consider reading Stirner and if you previously had negative associations with him based on his popular depiction/fanbase, he's underrated and the truth is everybody is just retarded and misrepresents him LOL (which again, is pretty funny, since his intention was to be simple and direct. uh oh stinkie!) If this thread convinces one person to read Stirner I will be happy.

[Anonymous No.21053962]

I just see him as the antithesis to Marxism, egalitarianism don't work so good when the world is full of greedy niggers like stirner

[Anonymous No.21053979]

>>21053962
>"the law is fake and morals are fake"
>WOW THAT MEANS YOU'RE A CHILD RAPIST THEN?!

BEGONE PHANTASM

[Anonymous No.21054086]

>>21053962
>without le laws and morals... where does good boy-ism come from?!

christcuck tier, egoists think laws are fake because only worker goys follow them. meanwhile jeff bezos does what he wants because he's rich and criminals do what they want because they don't give a fuck. the law exists to control the worker bees. do we all have to tiptoe around it to avoid state violence? of course, but actually believing in the meme is next level c*cked.

[Anonymous No.21054575]

>>21054086
Here's a thought, as a tangent: No animal follows or believes in laws; laws are necessary because each human is powerful, and humans are packed densely. Without density, humans equilibrialise on their own.

[Anonymous No.21054871]

>>21054575
Indeed. Laws are gay retard shit.

[Anonymous No.21054904]

I've unironically only ever seen Stirner talked about on /lit/ and nowhere else

[Anonymous No.21054926]

>>21054904
He is also quite popular with transvestites on tumblr for some reason. At least that is where a lot of the stirner pics come from.

[Anonymous No.21054940]

>>21054904
During /lit/'s transition from a predominately basic bitch college Marxist board in 2010-2012 to a predominately right wing board by 2014-2015, there was a nebulous middle ground of a few years when it wasn't clear what the board's leaning was or would be, and in that gap Stirnerposting became big. Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine it spread to lesser internet shitholes like Twitter and Tumblr from there

It probably thrived during that grey zone period because it wasn't doctrinaire and was kind of fun, for the same reason Stoicism thrives because everybody can get it on it and take an interest in its values.

Anarchists have always liked Stirner though.

[Anonymous No.21055072]

>>21054926
That's a furry.
The whole individualist thing attracts individualists. Computer social media is what attracts "trans", autists, schizophrenics and psychopaths, because they can't operate in the real world very well

[Anonymous No.21055121]

My question is though why none of his modern "readers" care to follow up on his christian theological background.
He even boasts about it in the book as saying he wouldn't recant all the profound and useful knowledge he has gained from his theology and philosophy studies. Also he states that the Gemeinschaft on individualists would be driven by love; that we want to engage and help others even if our own personal bayesian-utilitarian summ wouldn't yield it solely due to love.
All I ever see is the asshole and "fuck everyone else" mentality. No one reads him like the genuine christian that he was.

[Anonymous No.21055124]

>>21055072
Furry, trans... what's the the difference? All about reshaping yourself.

[Anonymous No.21055158]

>>21055121
The only thing he claims there is that if spreading love and loving people makes you feel good then you should go for it. His argument is that the egoist is not just asshole.

[Anonymous No.21055168]

>>21055158
>if spreading love and loving people makes you feel good th
no you subhuman, he basically says love is the driving force for everything. love is not a spook or an "if". And I mean "love" not american
>Love (tm)

[Anonymous No.21055267]

>>21055168
Can you please point that out in the text?

[Anonymous No.21055832]

>>21055072
>psychopaths can't operate in the world very well

source?

[invocationofmaldoror No.21055894]

>>21053902
https://discord.gg/BcFm4Xhr

[Anonymous No.21056146]

>>21055832

[Anonymous No.21057274]

>>21055124
Sex isn't a spook. It's materially evident and immutable

[Anonymous No.21057284]

>>21057274
>"I don't care about sex or even the 'real' definition of a woman anyway, I'm still a woman."

wat now

[Anonymous No.21057298]

>>21057284
You don't have to care about the bullet that will become self-aware inside your brain but that doesn't make it any less real.

[Anonymous No.21057301]

>>21053902
I like Stirner because he's essentially a genealogical thinker like Nietzsche. You really won't appreciate Stirner if you don't have a background in Greek Philosophy. Plato, Homer, The Skeptics, Sophists, Cynics, Epicureans, Stoic etc all are intertwined in his book. Hegel and Nietzsche also make you like his book more because of similarities in thinking (He borrows heavily from Hegel's ethical theories), and he does share similar critiques of socialism and humanity much like Nietzsche's Zarathustra. Buddhism-Taoism is also pretty significant in the text, and being familiar with it also enriches your knowledge of the book. There's just so much good philosophy he draws on that makes the book very quote-able and enjoyable to read. He reminds me a lot of Spinoza.

[Anonymous No.21057307]

>>21053927
Its easy to understand Stirner if you're familiar with his thinking, He really is just a proto- Existentialist.

[Anonymous No.21057310]

>>21057298
>most if not all trannies are insane and commit suicide or otherwise act a fool constantly
>"I don't care, it won't happen to me."

[Anonymous No.21057689]

>>21054926
I wonder what ol' Stirner would think of this image.

[Anonymous No.21057722]

>>21057689
Max Stirner. More like Max Res Default.

[Anonymous No.21057737]

>>21054904
Because Stirner is a literally who.

[Anonymous No.21057745]

>>21053959
>https://www.marxists.org
>>21053959
>https://theanarchistlibrary.org
what does it tell that only atheist NPCs publish his writings?

[Anonymous No.21057757]

>>21057301
>>I like Stirner because he's essentially a genealogical thinker like Nietzsche.
yeah and Nietzsche fails to apply his own method to his work. If he did he would see his uberman doesnt solve nihilism

[Anonymous No.21057779]

>>21057689
>he would probably just want to lean back over into his grave and die again. he died in 1850 so he lived before the theory of evolution and probably considered blacks to be more akin to outer space aliens than human, let alone fucking trannies. if max stirner met a modern sexual deviant from the future who simps his work, he'd probably reconsider his whole life KEK

[Anonymous No.21057782]

>>21057779
idk how a meme arrow ended up there and turned my post green. i guess i am quoting uhhhhh literally (You)

[Anonymous No.21058613]

Stirner also was very influential on a quite a few fascists like Mussolini, Evola, and Nazis like Junger

[Anonymous No.21058633]

>>21058613
Source? (please)

[Anonymous No.21058698]

>>21058633

[Anonymous No.21058953]

>>21053902
This. He basically mapped out the shadow before Jung, just using different words. Ironically those who are most prone to succumbing to their shadow and acting as vehicles for its desires are those who are the most blissfully unaware of its existence.
>I can't take anarchists, commies, or really any leftists seriously after reading Stirner, they are basically just a cargo cult of his insanity
They would benefit from reading Stirner, but they are the most offended by his words because he holds up a mirror, and they don't like what they see. They've adopted a socially constructed and shallow morality that exists to obscure their true natures. It's like Christianity except rather than trying to suppress this nature through recognition and discipline they instead pretend it doesn't exist. Like a small child covering his ears saying "lalala I can't hear you."
Admitting to their internal reality is a death sentence in their cult.

[Anonymous No.21058966]

>>21057689
Probably: "Interesting. I do not care."

[Anonymous No.21058977]

>>21058633
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/william-gillis-from-stirner-to-mussolini

[Anonymous No.21058994]

>>21053902
>and the remaining 1% take his logic to its end and believe things like "you are obligated by your own interest to torture politicians you don't like to death" (kinda based t.b.h. but whatever I don't plan on killing anybody myself.)
Yeah…. You definitely don’t get it

[Anonymous No.21059000]

>>21058994
>got tripped up by "obligated"

see pic >>21053959

[Anonymous No.21059029]

>>21058966
This meme-stirner attitude is cancer.

[Anonymous No.21059130]

>>21053902
Sir, you are a faggot.

Lit no new information have you provided. Only preach your own superiority you do. Go suck on a dick. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.21059190]

>>21059029
Why? He clearly outlines in the book that he does not give two shits about what others do if it does not affect him.

[Anonymous No.21059220]

>>21058633
Junger's book (EUMESWIL) was based on Stirner's conception of the Unique One
https://ernstjuenger.org/2010/12/all-things-are-nothing-to-me.html
>"Evola's biogrpahers regulaly mention he was influenced by Stirner A “philosophical” period followed, which lasted until 1927. It led to the writing of three main books. These works follow the track laid down by the strong influence of Nietzsche and Stirner and were mainly directed against the then fascist “court philosophers” such as Gentile."
https://ia803006.us.archive.org/35/items/JuliusEvolaRevoltAgainstTheModernWorldInnerTraditions1995/Julius%20Evola-Revolt%20Against%20the%20Modern%20World-Inner%20Traditions%20%281995%29.pdf
And Mussolini had read him, in his youth according to
Mad Nomad's "Rebels and Renegades" discusses how Stirner's ideas may have influenced Mussolini due to Mussolini having read Stirner in his youth and discussed him in various newspapers.

[Anonymous No.21059235]

>>21059220
Junger's Book, Eumeswil, was based on Stirner's conception of the Unique one.https://ernstjuenger.org/2010/12/all-things-are-nothing-to-me.html
Evola's biogrpahers regulaly mention he was influenced by Stirner in several of his books
>"A “philosophical” period followed, which lasted until 1927. It led to the writing of three main books. These works follow the track laid down by the strong influence of Nietzsche and Stirner and were mainly directed against the then fascist “court philosophers” such as Gentile."

https://ia803006.us.archive.org/35/items/JuliusEvolaRevoltAgainstTheModernWorldInnerTraditions1995/Julius%20Evola-Revolt%20Against%20the%20Modern%20World-Inner%20Traditions%20%281995%29.pdf
Max Nomad's "Rebels and Renegades" discusses how Stirner's ideas may have influenced Mussolini due to Mussolini having adopted Stirner in his youth and was quoted as reading his work. Mussolini was an anarchist in his youth, and translated a lot of anarchist writings like Kropotkin and Bakunin. Mussolini's father was friends with Bakunin. Also, Mussolini had quite a few Anarchist friends like Sacco-Vanzetti
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2124332

[Anonymous No.21059284]

>>21059235
>To the new counter-culture of the West; the “alt right” :
>Hail Kek!
What the fuck is this? Why is this in an archive.org pdf?