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[Anonymous No.21040946]

How do I really get into philosophy and deep thinking? I'm really interested in it and I'm tired of being a pseud whose philosophical reading consists of summaries, excerpts and listening to other people talk about it. Should I start with learning logic and the Greeks? How do I do that? Sometimes I find the language of philosophical texts a bit confusing even in my native tongue. Any remedies for that or should I just brute force it and eventually I will get it? Tips on how to think are also welcome.

[Anonymous No.21040948]

commence with the Achaeans

[Anonymous No.21040967]

>>21040946

You need to find some 'thing', some concept that you are deeply, truly interested in. One of the easiest ways to get into philosophy is to start thinking about utopia. What a perfect society is and what it would encapsulate. How would you construct all society if you were given the power? How free should people really be? Are you free? What does freedom even mean?

Plato is the best. Socrates feels like a friend.

[Anonymous No.21040969]

debut with the Mycenaens

[Anonymous No.21040996]

>>21040946
Start with the Skeptics. Sextus Empiricus.

[Anonymous No.21041023]

embark with the Danaans

[Anonymous No.21041102]

>>21040946
Germinate with the Germans

[Anonymous No.21041116]

>>21040946
Read. Now. Don't read anything written in English by "analytic philosophers" it will only waste your time.

[Anonymous No.21041377]

>>21040946
If you're not a /pol/-tard, buckle down and read someone like Adorno or Horkheimer (for the former, minima moralia, latter authority and the family or any other essays), with a lot of patience. They'll refer to methods of thinking and concepts you'll be unfamiliar with but reading them will achieve 2 things of primary inportsnce. First, in referring to concepts unfamiliar to you you'll know where to read next(usually it's Marx, Kant, Hegel or Freud). More importantly however, it will give you a frame of mind and a system of thought which will help you penetrate philosophy in a very particular way. You'll start understanding how concepts develop in time, how philosophies connect through centuries. You'll find a direct line between Plato and Hegel before even reading these two, and so once you are ready to approach them you'll have a way of framing them within what you already know, instead of blindly reading them like a first year undergrad, which makes it really difficult to understand much.

[Anonymous No.21041384]

>>21040946
Start with Plato. End with Plato.

[Anonymous No.21041398]

>>21041377
Also the most important element is that they speak of things which will directly resonate with you. Their critique of society will help you understand many contemporary issues, and so not only do you get access to past philosophy, but you become a better citizen, a better individual and wiser.
Also if you're really a patient person jump into Dialectic of Enlightenment first. It's hard as fuck but nothing prepared you for it other than having the patience to read and reread and look up concepts you don't get. Start with the culture industry(this will show you what I mean by both resonating to a contemporary audience, and aiding in the formation of a philosophical mind)

[Anonymous No.21041399]

>>21041377
>Adorno
Stopped reading there. I'm not a tranny not interested in cutting my dick.

[Anonymous No.21041414]

>>21041377
This, but replace all that Frankfurt School shit with the Greeks which already has all the foundational thoughts.

[Anonymous No.21041417]

Start with plato, dont leave plato until you have read everything plato can offer. Once your are done and feel that you want to read some nigger trash like nietzche or mainlander you have to read aristotle before, this is because everyone reference him.

Start with the greeks is not a meme trust me

[Anonymous No.21041431]

>>21041417
This. If you power up with Plato and Aristotle properly, you'll already know most of philosophy ever discussed.

[Anonymous No.21041450]

Read a book you dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.21041459]

>>21041399
>I am not embarrassed to confess being reactionary to the extent of thinking it more important that children learn good Latin and if possible Latin stylistics at school than that they make silly class trips to Rome that probably most often end in general indigestion
This is who you're running away from, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.21041466]

>>21041459
>t.

[Anonymous No.21041477]

>>21041466
Post a single passage that would indicate adorno's allegiance to trans movements, you illiterate tard

[Anonymous No.21041478]

Unironically start by learning math. No other field will require you to argue more rigorously.

[Anonymous No.21041521]

>>21041477
>p-please read my tranny freak

[Anonymous No.21041549]

>>21040946
You need true leisure to think about what you have read. No social media. If people or media disturb your leisure you won't develop your own thoughts and opinions thoroughly.

[Anonymous No.21041559]

>>21041478
Let no one ignorant of geometry enter here

[Anonymous No.21041586]

>>21041478
>>21041559
To what level of proficiency? High school math? Pure math? Latter would be quite absurd.

[Anonymous No.21041593]

>>21041586
High school math is just "shut up and calculate". You don't learn something philosophically from mechanically computing 100 derivatives in your calculus class. What you want is mathematical logic. You need to know how to write a proof.

[Anonymous No.21041622]

>>21041593
I got a taste of that in high school doe

[Anonymous No.21041655]

>>21040946
It sounds like you're looking for a challenge, and if you're up for it, I would recommend the following, with some relevant observations.

For the Greeks, there are two crucial distinctions to grasp: custom/law and nature, and opinion and knowledge. The former is what drives the Pre-Socratics, the latter is present (especially in Heraclitus and Parmenides), but becomes more evident in Plato and Aristotle. Part of what would have to be recovered is why these distinctions are so important and how they're related to what the philosophical life consists of. There are roughly two routes here, a longer and deeper one, and a shorter but more direct one.

The longer one would start with the poems of Homer and Hesiod to understand what the claims about the world and life were before nature was taken to be distinct from customs. From there, you'd want to read Herodotus' Histories, which makes the different customs of different peoples a central theme. From there, read the short existing fragments of Anaxagoras and Empedocles, and follow them up with Plato's Phaedo, which contains an autobiography from Socrates on why he moved from natural philosophy to the inspection of opinions. After those, read Aristotle's Physics. Orient yourself accordingly afterwards (whether with more Plato or more Aristotle; if you choose Plato, look to Parmenides and Symposium in that order, both of which trace Socrates' development. If you choose Aristotle, look to the treatises on animals, De Anima, the Parva Naturalia, and the Metaphysics in that order).

The shorter and more direct route is to just read Aristotle's Physics and figure out what you want from there. Since you've expressed hesitations about the difficulty of reading philosophical works, go for Joe Sachs's translation, which is accessible and has a great introduction for orienting yourself. Supplement it with another one or two other translations (I suggest Hippocrates Apostle and maybe David Bostock).

[Anonymous No.21041661]

>>21041559
Where do I buy this for cheap but also not second hand?