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Anonymous Thu Sep 22 14:06:35 2022 No.21026845 [Reply] [Original]

Is the Self as popularly understood obliterated in the experience of aesthetic contemplation? In book 3 of Schopenhauer's The World as Will etc, he says that all individuality and personality is lost once the viewer of some artwork apprehends the Platonic Idea behind it. Adorno cosigns him in his book on aesthetics, saying that, during the aesthetic experience, there remains a temporary suspension of the individuated self, where one is overwhelmed by the meaning of a work of art.

What do you think? When you're reading something, and you run across something incredibly profound (like, for me, at many places in Proust's "Swann's Way"), is the experience one of self-abnegation, or something like the ascetic ideal of the Sufis who wish to lose themselves in the universal meanings of God's attributes, etc etc? Do you lose yourself?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 14:07:39 2022 No.21026851 >>21026845 Adorno has such a punchable face

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 14:13:39 2022 No.21026867
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>>21026845
The loss of self = total and complete obliteration, full-on ego death and comprehension of non-dual existence. An empty void without any meaning or a-priori definitions, the ego may even cling on and perceive it in a terrifying gory fashion with dismemberment and loss of free will. Anatta or no-self

But in a more light-hearted sense, yes sometimes fiction and the narrative/dialogic self feels profound

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 14:18:52 2022 No.21026883 >>21026867 Cool it with the Russian propaganda, Eisenstein.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 14:19:23 2022 No.21026886 >>21026883 What do you mean? I never said anything about politics

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 15:52:34 2022 No.21027154

>>21026845
A true work of art is supposed to have no practical utility and to be in no practical relations to any other object, therefore when one apprehends such an object his self, which is built around seeking practical relations between objects, temporarily suspends it's action, hence the feeling of being overwhelmed by and one with the artwork.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 17:10:24 2022 No.21027404 >>21026851 /thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 21:30:55 2022 No.21028577 >>21026845 bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 23 04:14:37 2022 No.21030105 >>21026845 Adorno has such a punchable face

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 23 05:06:10 2022 No.21030194 >>21027154 Are you saying Adorno was wrong?

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