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20981033 No.20981033 [Reply] [Original]

>just invents the concept of time travel
how is it possible to come up with ideas like this nowadays?

>> No.20981051

There's a lot of weird questions time travel brings up that no one ever asks.

Like, if someone travels back in time, and interacts with me, who is occupying my POV at that earlier date? It should be here with me in the present, so is that a sort of copy?

or

You know that "rule" about "you can never go further back than when the machine was turned on." That's not a real rule. So that means if anyone invents time travel ever, we should know considering we are at the destination of the future time manipulators or it is in our past. So its almost like a guarantee that never happens (unless you invoke some reality splitting shit), but yeah. That's like a Fermi Paradox for time travel.

>> No.20981195

He wasn't the first to do it per se, but I get what you mean.
Basically look for some obscure plot device in ancient literature and then try to modernize it in a tasteful, timeless way. In this case Mark Twain also did time travel (also not the first but the most recent one before Wells that I can recall) but nobody ever thought of a time traveling machine before Wells unless I'm mistaken. R.U.R. turned automata into "robots" but I heard its not very good (funny how that works). Still, you see what I'm saying?
You don't even have to be the first. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes is the prototypical detective but Edgar Allen Poe's Le Chevalier C. Auguste Dupin was the first. How does that work? Edgar Allen Poe isn't some no-name, and Doyle is pretty much only famous for this series. You gotta know how to do it you feel me?

>> No.20982409

>>20981033
You can’t.

>> No.20982412
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20982412

>The world is just strings

>> No.20982518

>>20981051
Our human conception of time doesnt describe physical time so trying to think about what time travel would imply is useless, it would have to be determined experimentally.

>> No.20982618
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>>20981195
Dupin would have probably gotten more popular had Poe managed to do more than two great stories and one essay-like story completely unsuited to regular crowd just so he could cash in on an actual unsolved murder mystery of the time.
Meanwhile, Doyle just kept pushing out stories even when first one barely got any attention and used a simple formula of balancing detecting and action, while making his detective a focal point, unlike for example Lecoq (another popular detective of the time), who was just a cavalry at the end of a dramatic story that was playing out for a long time. This is also why later Christie scored big with her Poirot.
Interesting fact is that most of what we know about the looks of Sherlock Holmes comes from illustrations by Sidney Paget, rather than the stories. The hat everyone and their mother knows him by he only wore once, and the handsome face is from Paget's brother acting as model, whereas Doyle initially imagined him ugly as sin.

>> No.20982658

>>20981033
>>just invents the concept of time travel
Time travel is a scientific impossibility as it violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics, Conservation of Mass/Energy, and the Principle of Unitarity.

>> No.20982666

>>20982658
It's a good thing then that Wells was writing fiction and not a scientific article.

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20983062

>>20982412
Not strings, my friend. Ropes.

>> No.20984787

>>20982666
>fiction
cringe

>> No.20984813

Wells wasn't just simple writer, he was a high ranked anglo spook and member of Fabian society. His writing isn't simple fiction, because he often committed to paper ideas existing in informational space in which he lived. His works are very valuable insight into hopes, dreams, plans and fears of ETERNAL ANGLO, and when looked at like that, are also proof that ETERNAL ANGLO is, or at least was before ww2 knocked out its teeth, existential threat to humanity.

>> No.20984826

>>20984787
>autism
cringe

>> No.20984973

>>20981195
But Wells was the first to come up with the idea that time was the 4th dimension a decade before Einstein did it.

>> No.20984985
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20984985

>The universe started with an explosion.

>> No.20984992

>>20981033
He invented the concept of the atomic bomb, even coining the word atomic bomb.

>> No.20985452

seems easy. keep up with the most advanced scientific theories. become friends with phd's working in specific fields or subscribe to the specialized journals they publish in. think about the implications of new discoveries, then beat everyone else to the punch when it comes to writing about it

>> No.20986089

>>20982658
>Time travel is a scientific impossibility
Only time travel to the past is impossible, time travel to the future is already taken for granted.

>> No.20986151

>>20985452
You'll be sad to find out most articles today are written for the sake of getting a phd or a promotion in the academy, rather than some scientific breakthrough. Doesn't mean there isn't some, it would just require so much combing through that one would just get tired of it all.

>> No.20986216

>>20981033
The reason why you don’t hear about the is today is because the people capable of doing them are either wage slaves seconds away from putting a 12 gauge in their mouth and the rich people that actually do it have their shit out through so much practical use snd bureaucratic nonsense that you don’t hear about it. Also they’re higher level you don’t hear about them because you don’t know them. You only hear about all these types of people later on anyway. The masses don’t hear about them in the moment. I assume they didn’t know newton or any of the painters. All the greats of today will not be known and will only be wildly remembered years after their death

>> No.20986228

>>20981051
I don't think you can go back in time and meet yourself since you have already moved forward in time. It would be like moving from point A to B in a car and then going back to point A and expecting to find a copy of yourself there.

>> No.20986296

>>20981033
The long 19th century is the most transformative era in human history, both materially and intellectually. Human civilization was furthering humanity all around you.

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>>20981033
Constant novelty in literary premises is a result of constant novelty in cultural change

Compare the world in 1900 to the world of 2000. Compare the world of 1000 AD to the world of 1100 AD. Sooner or later progress stagnates and so does culture. When we leave the planet and make new discoveries about the fundamental nature of the universe there will be a cultural Renaissance but until then prepare for a hundred more Marvel movies and Enemies to Lovers fantasy novels

>> No.20986673

>>20981033
>>just invents the concept of time travel
Did he really? I thought that shit was way older than him.