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[Anonymous No.20971480]

Snow Blood Ritual Edition

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[Anonymous No.20971489]

>>20971480
GRRM IS TRASH
TOLKIEN IS TRASH
BAKKER IS TRASH
LEGUIN IS TRASH
WOLFE IS TRASH
WHAT THE FUCK DO I READ

[Anonymous No.20971505]

im reading Battle Royale and im enjoying

[Anonymous No.20971509]

read cradle

[Anonymous No.20971528]

>>20968087
>only two goodreads reviews for Dragons talk about how it was self-published and suffered from going on and on and on with no clear or fitting resolution
god diggity dammit I hate when this happens and I can't find the remaining short stories in the 'universe' on the usual spots. Memory of Sky was the first book I've read in a long time where it felt taxing to complete. The writing itself was great and the man definitely has a verbose shifting vocabulary but I wanted finality and I was not invested in the characters much, if at all.
Maybe I'll read Marrow Redux at some point. What books do you know of where the author completely rewrote them?

[Anonymous No.20971550]

>>20971489
What do you like?

[Anonymous No.20971568]

Should I try to get into Malazan books again starting from #2? I see that it is based on a different continent than gardens of the moon and its basically distinct from the first book plot-wise as well, basically another branch to start from.

should I just not bother? I just want to read about some fantasy adventures and I consoomed so many series already (Sanderson's shit, GURRM, that retard Rothfuss, Tolkinshit, Ursula, etc.)

I hate Joe Abercrombie because he's such a one trick pony but I had fun reading First Law trilogy when I was new to him, I just want a fun read again, something kind of like Black Company Chronicles or some shit

[Anonymous No.20971572]

>>20971550
he clearly has no taste, maybe some heckin machine translated chinkshit would be up his alley

[Anonymous No.20971585]

>>20971528
Reed is quite the prolific short fiction writer. You can look on ISFDB where all the short stories have been published. It shouldn't be too difficult to find them, though I don't know where your usual spots are.

[Anonymous No.20971595]

>>20971568
war for the rose throne was fun for me

[Anonymous No.20971606]

>>20971505
Hopefully the newest official translation.

[Anonymous No.20971616]

>>20971550
I HAVE TROUBLE READING THE DICTIONARY BUT I ENJOY IT NONETHELESS
I HAVE LOW IQ PLEASE BE NICE (I'M NOT MENTALLY CHALLENGED SO NOT TOO NICE)

[Anonymous No.20971622]

>>20971585
Right, it's probably a matter of me needing to find out where they've been published instead of expecting everything to be standalone, and then finding the... anthology/collection that the story is in. libgen and zlib normally have what I need. I tend to forget IRC is a thing and mobilism is usually only good for newer stuff.

[Anonymous No.20971645]

>>20971616
Maybe try a children's book, it could be more your pace, Redwall for example is great.

[Anonymous No.20971652]

>>20971622
https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?199
Great Ship Universe
Click on the relevant stories to see where they were published.

[Anonymous No.20971657]

Is there any good fantasy that's heavily inspired by Irish mythology?

[Anonymous No.20971685]

>>20971652
Thanks nig.

[Anonymous No.20971691]

>"Every child has something of its father and something of its mother as well; save for monsters, every child is of the male kind or the female kind nevertheless." -Garsecg, "The Knight" by Gene Wolfe
BadababadabababadaBASED

[Anonymous No.20971692]

Why yes, I will read 30K chapters of xianxia, but won't spend 5 minutes on your "well written" reddit suggestions and "classic novels". How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.20971698]

>>20971645
BUT WHY IS THE WALL READ?

[Anonymous No.20971801]

>>20971568
Read The Red Knight

[Anonymous No.20971925]

Don't waste your time on this one, expect if you've ran out of ideas and desperate.

Also, if you know nothing of history, (I don't even know why you've be interested in reading if that's the case) and the stars align, you could perhaps grow from a quick read of it.

[Anonymous No.20971927]

>>20971692
No

[Anonymous No.20971960]

>>20971692
Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.20972001]

bros, i've been watching HotD and now i'm in the mood for something ASOIAF-like (i can't really define it, only important characteristic that comes to mind is the presence of court politics), any suggestions? please don't say Sanderson, i fucking hate his prose; Bakker i've read

[Anonymous No.20972026]

>>20972001
Black Company has a fair bit of high-level politics. Tone-wise its fits ASOIAF. His prose is not Bakker-level but definitively high tier.

[Anonymous No.20972033]

>>20972026
i read the first chapter of this (something about the men getting poisoned in a tavern) and it didn't really grab me, maybe i should try again

[Anonymous No.20972038]

>>20972033
At least read until you encounter Soulcatcher, which is the inciting incident. You'll know by then if the book is for you.

[Anonymous No.20972043]

>>20971480

dear /sffg/,

On behalf of the rest of lit/, I wish to express our sincere appreciation that you keep discussion of your genre trash (with kitsch OP image to boot) safely confined to your own thread, so as to minimize disruption of our quality /lit/ threads in which we have real discussions for bitching about Marx and philosophers we haven't read. Very sincerely, a competent representative of the rest of /lit/

[Anonymous No.20972051]

>>20971528
FUCK I'm still somewhat grumpy. I was expecting a THRILLING CONCLUSION and while it does seem that I'll get /a/ confirmed answer by the author, it doesn't seem to incorporate the whole breadth. And who knows if the next book, or next three books will release. Like he admitted, he'll be 70 when it's all over.
This is the second series I got invested in recently and then the last book was a bummer. Then again I haven't read this and maybe I'll just slowly work my way through it over time.
I don't know what to read now!!

[Anonymous No.20972099]

Any good books featuring hyper-defensive warfare? Something like a small force defending against a massive siege. Either fantasy or sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.20972110]

>>20969313
>translation quality
Yeah, that's the main issue of all xiaxia. Believe it or not a lot of it isn't even translation, chinese people just talk weird, lots of strange idioms and memes. RI's occasionally slightly better, and often much worse, than LoTM in translation quality, to the point where it's the main wall that keeps people itt from seriously reading it, but according to chinks it's actually extremely well written and eloquent in the original language and he uses a lot of literary references, poems, etc... I'd be interested in reading the original, but it not only requires knowing chinese, but actually being well read in chinese!
I suspect a lot of xiaxia has surprisingly good prose, being action and description heavy, we just don't get to see any of it.

In order to really read xiaxia, you need advanced "mental editing" ability, or a very high tolerance. After a while of reading you'll start "getting" certain turns of phrase and can a lot of the time see through to the original. I know lots of people actually can read MtL, but I'm not that skilled/brain damaged yet. You seem to be mostly on the right track for selections, if you want to build up to RI you should also try out Warlock of the Magus World(another "evil" protagonist), History's strongest Sect(a comedy/parody that basically takes the top 10 most popular xiaxias in china and mashes them together, extremely dense in tropes and will rapidly get you "fluent" in xiaxia stereotypes)
Now I'm not saying they're "good", but they're at least above average and contain important information, I actually dropped both of them, but only after several hundred chapters.

And as a final tip, try to "read lightly", aka "further from the test". Let your mind wander more, visualize scenes, find a pace between skimming and reading where your conscious awareness of words fades away. Don't just blindly follow, interpret, translate, decide how YOU would write something and substitute it in your mind. You'll still hit a lot of speedbumps, but it vastly improves the reading experience. I've read absolute garbage that makes MtL look like shakespear using this technique and quite enjoyed it, though at a certain point it was more like I was reading a fanfiction in my head than the actual base story.

[Anonymous No.20972142]

>>20972099
>fantasy
Legend by David Gemmell
>sci-fi
Strange Company & Voodoo Warfare by Nick Cole

[Anonymous No.20972354]

>>20972142
These look good, cheers anon

[Anonymous No.20972420]

Tolkien is based on

[Anonymous No.20972463]

>>20971489
You read Robert E. Howard. You don't need anything else.

[Anonymous No.20972469]

>>20972001
Powder Mage series by Brian McClellan. Start with Promise of Blood. An accomplished general stages a military coup and has to deal with governing the first republic in a world of kingdoms.

[Anonymous No.20972492]

>>20971489
Robert jordan?

[Anonymous No.20972497]

>>20972469
Absolute garbage. This hack is worse then Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.20972529]

>>20972497
Is there ANYTHING you fucking counts ever like?

[Anonymous No.20972614]

>>20972001
Nine Princes in Amber by Roger Zelazny. Asoiaf was influenced by the Amber books

[Anonymous No.20972620]

>>20972001
I haven't been watching HotD. But if that show is anything like Game of Thrones, then there's a good chance you will like A Shadow in Summer.
It's kind of hard to describe this one. But it's like you're seeing how broken their system is, and watching it all come apart. It has some minor court politics. As most of the characters are either someone important, or they're associates with someone important. But there's a lot of interpersonal drama too. The politics sort of get in the way of them living easy lives. Makes things complicated for them.

Books 2-4 have more court politics. But I'm not saying "that's when it gets good." The first book is good on its own. It just may not be the exact thing you're expecting. And don't be fooled by the prologue. When I first read it, I thought it was going to be some young hero begins his heroes journey formula. It's not that at all.

[Anonymous No.20972713]

It has been years and I still haven't read anything better than Words of Radiance.
I know I have pleb taste but damn, you just can't beat the hype in that book.
Flashback sucks though.

[Anonymous No.20972753]

>Royalroad
>Xianxia
>oh there are a few, lets see if there are any with systems, hmm I guess litrpg
>Xianxia LitRPG
Oh, that's not that many, but more than I expected.
>completed
...

[Anonymous No.20972798]

>>20972469
Do not read this YA garbage
Worst recommendation I ever got in this thread


And yes I read all 6 books

[Anonymous No.20972800]

>>20972529
Powder mage is legit not good. For reference I like Sanderson AND bakker.

[Anonymous No.20972804]

What is the best Xianxia with system autism.

[Anonymous No.20972830]

>the protagonist is the ancient evil in disguise
Anyone has something like this to recommend? I remember reading something like this when I was a kid, but I could never find it, it was about some kid carried off on an adventure by his aunt or something, and along the way discovers ancient relics of his past life.

[Anonymous No.20972832]

Just ordered this, what am i in for?

[Anonymous No.20972835]

>>20967648
>Fucked off for a while to read through all of Berserk and some other manga...
based.

i'll also add to what the other anon said about ryouka. in fact i bitched about ryouka in this general months ago when i read it. i wish i could find the post but the archive here doesn't seem to work?
and as someone who bitched about her i can tell you that she comes around to become a very likeable character, at least imo. though i forgot when exactly she stops being annoying. but that moment when she fought calruz and yvlon just out of hubris was definitely the peak in terms of her unlikeability.

i'm the same anon who recommended AXRY and LotM to you. TWI really does get pretty damn good so i wouldn't write it off just yet. It has its flaws, but overall it's just a very charming series.

[Anonymous No.20972841]

>>20972832
Some liberal woman's convoluted tale of penis envy.

[Anonymous No.20972842]

Is any of the Cosmere books xianxia? I can smell the autism from the https://17thshard.github.io/reading-order/#/, but I won't read it if it's not xianxia, does an MC at least literally destroy a sect by him/her self by turning his/her palm?

[Anonymous No.20972850]

>>20972832
https://twitter.com/ArkadyMartine
extreme tism apparently

[Anonymous No.20972869]

>>20972800
I don't know why I see it recommended here so much. It might just be one guy. It wasn't even so bad, just incredibly bland. I got 70% of the way through it, bored the whole way, before I realized I'd read it already and had just forgotten everything.

[Anonymous No.20972874]

>>20972869
Ok, write out the start of the 11th chapter of your favorite book, just the first sentence, without looking of course.

[Anonymous No.20972879]

>>20972874
>The Captain of Albinkirk sat at his glazed window and watched the distant woods.

[Anonymous No.20972881]

>>20972879
As you had to look this up, it proves to me that your favorite book is bland.

[Anonymous No.20972888]

>>20972881
This is not a serious argument.

[Anonymous No.20972902]

>>20972888
Checked. I only read, 10000+ chapter xianxia word salad, so forgetting what you've read before you've read it is expected.
I only read to strength my reading muscles, not for enjoyment. That's the difference between you and me. NERD

[Anonymous No.20972932]

>>20972832
Ok, being a lesbian isn't a big deal, New York City planner, red flags start ascending, pic rel
It's zogged.

[Anonymous No.20972934]

Fire Aelf slave pussy

[Anonymous No.20972936]

>>20972934
>Aelf
>I'm so special look at me.

[Anonymous No.20972938]

Äelf

[Anonymous No.20972948]

>>20972804
Bump, I asked in the last thread too
I've already read Unfathomable Senior and Arrogant Young Master Template A Variation 4

[Anonymous No.20972957]

>>20972932
I joked about the book being about penis envy before. But in all seriousness, it's not a bad book. It really observes the concept of being able to assimilate the memories of others. And how you go from merely reading their memories, to being able to recall them as your own, to fully integrating their memories into your being.
The main character is supposed to be integrating the memories of her predecessor for her job. But something went wrong, and the process isn't taking. So she's stuck with a version of his personality in her head. And the whole time she feels inadequate because she doesn't have what he has. He was competent and well connected. But she's just a rookie that nobody trusts. And so she's struggling to get anything right.

And you might be able to interpret the meaning of the book to be that no matter how hard you try, you can never truly live someone else's life. By constantly contrasting the difference between the two, it illustrates that their experiences are more than their memories. Even if she absorbed everything he knows, she still wouldn't be who he was.

[Anonymous No.20972967]

Post good webnovels.

[Anonymous No.20972968]

>>20972957
>It really observes the concept of being able to assimilate the memories of others.
Sounds pretty boring desu, and I'm sure a hundred random xianxia body possessors stories have done it better.

[Anonymous No.20972976]

>>20972968
But this is done in space, with spaceships and space colonies and chips and shit. And it's all political. It's more about the intrigue and conspiracy. Not having cool mind-fuck powers.

[Anonymous No.20972978]

Radixanon, wherever you are - I bought the book. I hope you haven't deceived me.

[Anonymous No.20972979]

>>20972976
Body possessor as in they died and woke up in the body of a cultivator who also died. Most xianxia have ships used to travel between planets or realms.

[Anonymous No.20972985]

>>20972978
Protip, if the cover has text referencing other books/authors it's going to be trash, more so if it's Tolkien. Even more so if it's a /lit/ recommendation. I am Radixanon btw, welcome to the game.

[Anonymous No.20972991]

>>20972979
>Body possessor as in they died and woke up in the body of a cultivator who also died
I figured that much. In A Memory Called Empire, the woman's whole culture relies on the preservation of memories from the dead. People who are candidates for such a procedure are carefully selected and matched based on the capability of their personalities, so the memories transfer easily. It's very far from some xianxia power fantasy. In fact, her people are considered small fries compared to the rest of the empire.

>Most xianxia have ships used to travel between planets or realms.
That much is news to me.

[Anonymous No.20973002]

>>20972991
>>Most xianxia have ships used to travel between planets or realms.
>That much is news to me.
Of course when you get to that point in most you will be lucky if you have more than 1 person within a billion LI, and if you do, it's probably some offended sect elder trying to get revenge

[Anonymous No.20973008]

Which reminds me, does anyone have a reccomendation for Xianxia with good solitary cultivation. Like when a kid gets trapped in a cave with just a scroll.

[Anonymous No.20973039]

Bakker, you say?
Hello Newfag, welcome to /lit/ and /sffg/.

Chances are that you‘ve seen the name Bakker thrown around this place quite a lot. Fear not, this is what you need to know:

First off, I would generally advise against reading him early on, especially if you're new to reading and just migrated from /v/ looking for a Dark Souls type of book. Read other, lighter, stuff first. There is plenty, just don‘t fall into the web-novel meme. Those are atrocious, especially Reverend Insanity, Cradle and the Wandering Inn. You should also know that a lot of people here suffer from PBS(Post Bakker Syndrome). Meaning that once you've read him, it will be hard to find other authors in fantasy as good as he is. Which is why Bakker memes are so prolific here.

Having that said, he is quite literally the most beloved writer in this general, and has been for over a decade, regardless of what filtered (Yes, some people here are unable to truly understand his prose) anons might tell you. And he is, in my humble opinion, the greatest living writer in fantasy right now.

If you enjoy dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror, then R. Scott Bakker is the author for you. When the time comes, start with The Darkness that Comes Before from the Prince of Nothing trilogy.

[Anonymous No.20973044]

[Anonymous No.20973048]

[Anonymous No.20973056]

>>20973039
You realize filters exist, right? Nowadays, people share them even before going on boards. So many newfags will have most lit schizo shit filtered before seeing it.

[Anonymous No.20973064]

>>20973056
>Newfags
>Filters
Absolutely delusional.

Not even 1% of the posters use filters.

[Anonymous No.20973070]

>>20973064
Happy 9/11 by the way anon

[Anonymous No.20973072]

thank you to whomever has been recommending Red Rising recently.
tore through it and am now half way through golden son.

bloodydamn good

[Anonymous No.20973073]

>>20973070
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.20973074]

>>20973072
Is it Xianxia?

[Anonymous No.20973077]

>>20973056
>people share them even before going on boards
What bizarro universe do you live in where normalfags discuss 4chan before learning about 4chan?

[Anonymous No.20973081]

>>20973077
most anons start on /b/ /v/ or /pol/

[Anonymous No.20973083]

>>20973081
No one starts on /b/ anymore.

[Anonymous No.20973085]

>>20973083
? it's the only board that allows loli

[Anonymous No.20973089]

>>20973039
B A S E D
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[Anonymous No.20973099]

>>20973089
Is this xianxia?

[Anonymous No.20973120]

>>20972934
>>20972936
>>20972938
>Not älfar

[Anonymous No.20973146]

>>20973120
What book is that spelling from? Never mind it sounds like actual mythology, I'll check. Yes it is. So Wolfe was just combining that spelling with elf but it could have been assumed.

[Anonymous No.20973150]

>>20973146
Oh, additionally aelf is the Old English spelling lol this anon >>20972936 sucks dick for breakfast.

[Anonymous No.20973155]

>>20973150
>aelf is the Old English
Oh, the book is written in Old English, which book is this? Gas yourself kike.

[Anonymous No.20973165]

>Fantasy novels can't use old words or spellings for effect
The cocksucker is steaming, I'm just dreaming

[Anonymous No.20973197]

>>20973165
>Fantasy novels can't use old words or spellings for effect
Correct, they only use them to stick out (like a sore thumb) and to be pretentious faggots like (you)

[Anonymous No.20973203]

>>20973165
Also, it's not an "old word" it's a word from a different language with a completely different meaning from the modern word "elf" and is used interchangeably in modern fantasy novels.

[Anonymous No.20973228]

>>20973146
Pic related
Author is German and the books are translated from german

[Anonymous No.20973252]

Is the Witcher worth reading?

[Anonymous No.20973261]

>>20973252
Is it Xianxia? If not, then I would say NO

[Anonymous No.20973262]

>>20972967
I really can't think of a good western webnovel, I read a few, sometimes they start out great but always end up turning into garbage midway.

[Anonymous No.20973276]

>>20973252
I only played the game, if the story is anything like in the game, then no, it's just trash

[Anonymous No.20973315]

>>20973252
Its filled with pop-culture references and memes, and the fantasy languages are just random words lifted from real life languages. If that sort of thing bothers you, I wouldn't recommend it.

[Anonymous No.20973390]

>>20973252
>>20973276
>>20973315
no
elric ripoff

[Anonymous No.20973462]

reddit

[Anonymous No.20973588]

>>20972967
Beware of chicken.
Dawn of the void.

[Anonymous No.20973635]

>>20972967
Is paranoid mage good? Is it pozzed, progressive, coomer?

[Anonymous No.20973685]

>>20972967
also, is it non-woke, non-feminist, non-unbased, non-trash, non-garbage?

[Anonymous No.20973699]

http://www.rinkworks.com/fnovel/

Anyone seen this? I'm wondering about how many of these "bad elements" I can add.

[Anonymous No.20973732]

>>20973252
The first short story collection is a must-read, but after that...

[Anonymous No.20973769]

>>20973699
>Does your novel contain a character that is really a god in disguise?
>Do the female characters in your novel spend a lot of time worrying about how they look, especially when the male main character is around
>Did you make the elves and the dwarves great friends, just to be different?
>Did you draw a map for your novel which includes places named things like "The Blasted Lands" or "The Forest of Fear" or "The Desert of Desolation" or absolutely anything "of Doom"?
>Is your novel based on the adventures of your role-playing group?
these are good though.

And whoever made this list is retarded.
>Is your main character a young farmhand with mysterious parentage?
While this is a cliché it's not necessarily a bad beginning. It's all about what you do with it later. I'd rather have the story have a comfy start in a small village than be thrown into some crazy battle scene where everyone is dying and you have no idea what's going on because the author is trying to be original and impress you with shock value

[Anonymous No.20973788]

>>20973635
The author is an unironic schizo. MC can fool the magic government without any magical training, and come up with uses for magic that the civilization he wasn't aware of that has existed for centuries has never thought of. Revolutionary ideas like using portals offensively by shooting someone through one. I have no idea how this shit got so popular.

[Anonymous No.20973796]

>>20973699
You shouldn't worry about that at all. The important thing to understand is that cliches become cliches for a reason, they are usually excellent story building blocks.
To take the 'young farmhand with mysterious parentage' for example. It allows the protagonist to be someone who is not particularly well-informed, allowing you to write more natural exposition. It also makes the protag more relatable for having a very mundane and normal job before the events of the story, while the mysterious parentage part gives the protagonist relevance in the story so that its not just a complete coincidence that this farmhand is suddenly involved in more important matters.
Cliches only become a problem when your story is nothing but cliches, making it predictable and boring.

[Anonymous No.20973803]

>>20972354
Based.

[Anonymous No.20973820]

Fantasy that doesn't explicitly "world build" in hand holding detail, but instead just sort of lets you piece together how the world works?

[Anonymous No.20973827]

>>20971480
How many of you subscribe to the idea you need to read bad books as well as good ones? In a way, should you only read the highest rated/highly recommended books and nothing else?

[Anonymous No.20973832]

>>20973820
malazan!

[Anonymous No.20973834]

>>20973827
I think you should give anything a chance, and you should only dismiss something as "bad" when you can explain why it's bad
I definitely don't believe you need to finish bad books though.

[Anonymous No.20973836]

>>20973827
problem is it's basically impossible to organically stumble upon a book these days. with so many sources of info you're almost guaranteed to biased in one direction and if it's bad you're inclined towards just skipping the book.

[Anonymous No.20973837]

>>20973827
Life is too short to read something you don't like. Highly regarded or not

[Anonymous No.20973840]

>>20973820
Most fantasy outside of Epic Fantasy and especially before the advent of Dungeons & Dragons.

[Anonymous No.20973842]

>>20973827
Not necessarily "bad" books, but I do think it's worthwhile to read something trashy and shallow once in a while.

[Anonymous No.20973846]

>>20973827
Only if you're a writer or plan on writing because how else will you know what's bad or good if you don't also read the bad?

[Anonymous No.20973847]

>>20973827
You have to be purposefully masochistic (since a stupid person would not have the freedom to make such a choice) in order to subscribe to such an idea when there are literally over 100 million published books, and you only have around 80 years to live, if you're fortunate enough to have been born in a first world country.

[Anonymous No.20973863]

>>20973827
Don't go out to purposefully read bad books to fill in a checklist or anything, but I do think it's important because you need your own point of reference. So many people read acclaimed series, but have no idea what actually makes them good.

[Anonymous No.20974045]

>>20973635
It is good. It's definitely not pozzed and doesn't get into identity politics. The plot is good because the MC isn't an OP monster that kills everything in sight. He thinks creative uses of his limited magic based on what an everyday person knows about science and technology. The OP archmages in the story have lived for centuries and disdain any use of technology. There are also a lot of unexplained elements.

[Anonymous No.20974086]

>>20972968
Just because something sounds boring it doesn't mean you need to start pretending something as retardedly stupid as that. Xianxia doesn't even do its own thing well.

[Anonymous No.20974106]

>>20973820
Asoiaf
It's actually kind of crazy how much depth and history there is about the background details of the world that never get any exposition, but still have more going on than plenty of shitty currently popular things that are held as examples of good worldbuilding that just amount to magic systems, and have like one or two big major events that are the solely defining features of the world.

[Anonymous No.20974116]

>>20973462
lmao no, most redditors think it's too "nihilistic"

[Anonymous No.20974120]

>>20974045
Ok, I might read, few more questions, is it available in full on rr or do I have to get it from other sources? How long is it, how many chapters/books ?

[Anonymous No.20974147]

have you ever read a book that has had a fucking long, abysmal, godawful, "wtf was the author thinking" opening but then managed to redeem itself along the way?

[Anonymous No.20974211]

>>20971657
I think Patricia McKillip had some stuff like that

[Anonymous No.20974217]

The oldest living beings in Middle-Earth are the ents (Treebeard the oldest), but in real life sharks, jellyfish, sponges, cyanobacteria (I think is the oldest organism), among other species are older than trees. Was this not known in Tolkien's time? I guess it'd be kinda difficult to have cyanobacteria people or sea creature people who can't really interact well with the characters on land.

[Anonymous No.20974220]

>>20971489
DRAGONLANCE

[Anonymous No.20974222]

>>20974147
I read it years ago, it was ok, but now I realize that it was coomer garbage, way too many sex scenes.

[Anonymous No.20974233]

>>20972967
Enjoy

[Anonymous No.20974235]

>>20972830
>by his aunt
The belgariad? Or maybe DemonWars by salvatore?

[Anonymous No.20974297]

>>20974233
If you remove all works by women authors, all works that feature female protag, all works that feature female on the cover, also remove legend of arch magus (reads like written by someone with downs syndrome) and mol you will be left with somewhat serviceable list

[Anonymous No.20974305]

>>20974297
You're trying too hard to fit in.

[Anonymous No.20974329]

>>20973827
i never read something that i feel there's a good chance in won't like unless i want to form an opinion about it, and never more than once or twice a year because i have better things to do than that. but for example sometimes i've suffered through utter shit just to be able to shitpost about it here with the proper credentials

[Anonymous No.20974412]

>>20974116
show me one

[Anonymous No.20974422]

>>20974305
I am not trying to do anything. 4chan belongs to conservative straight white men, its all the coomers wokes and progressives that constantly pollute the boards with their trash.

[Anonymous No.20974440]

>>20974422
It's a sad progression to be sure. I remember back in the old days when anons weren't obsessed with identity politics, regardless of the kind. I wish those days had never gone away.

[Anonymous No.20974450]

>>20974422
>4chan belongs to conservative straight white men
Is that why we all wanted to fuck linetrap when we were in /b/?

[Anonymous No.20974458]

>>20974450
implying that newfag knows what linetrap or /b/ is

[Anonymous No.20974462]

>>20974422
>4chan belongs to conservative straight white men
4chan is counter-culture in the actual meaning of the word. This place is contrarianism distilled to a pure form. It will always reflect those values not currently in vogue in the mainstream and thus attract users who hold such values. The only reason 4chan us conservative/right-wing these days is because the mainstream culture has embraced decisively left-leaning attitude. This place was a far-left site during the Bush administration.

[Anonymous No.20974482]

>>20974233
Oh shit this list is actually kind of real now. Still useless because it has wildly varying qualities but it's at least a list of mostly what it says it is.

[Anonymous No.20974499]

Chart Maker Supreme should update the chart before the litrpg charters come and ruin the board

[Anonymous No.20974506]

>>20974462
>This place was a far-left site during the Bush administration.
Back in those days it was mostly anime/manga posters, it/programmer guys and porn posters, it definitely was not far left

[Anonymous No.20974526]

>>20974482
>because it has wildly varying qualities
Did you read the disclaimer at the bottom?

[Anonymous No.20974531]

>>20974450
>>20974458
...and then linetrap became the transwoman porn star Bailey Jay and married a man.

[Anonymous No.20974540]

>>20974235
Nah, not Belgariad, and in that the kid was never an ancient evil or anything of the sort.

[Anonymous No.20974544]

>>20974526
But why even put them on the list, then? Make a list of the good ones, instead of just "here's ones that exist". Does Paranoid Mage even fit, by the by? I'm not sure it really sockets into any of those categories. Progression isn't exactly a 'focus'.

[Anonymous No.20974546]

>>20974531
>17 minutes to google

[Anonymous No.20974550]

>>20974531
Man, I still would linetrap. They dummy thicc nowadays.

[Anonymous No.20974551]

>>20974544
>But why even put them on the list, then?
That's some autistic anon's personal recommendation list that he flaunts around like it's a communal effort.

[Anonymous No.20974558]

>>20974546
I'm a different anon, silly. Cracky-chan and Boxxy, among others, also had interesting life paths.

[Anonymous No.20974568]

>>20974551
>that he flaunts around like it's a communal effort.
fagget anon, you know that every chart in here is a personal recommendation list that others flaunt around like it's a communal effort.
Anything that is a group effort is always meme and padded by trolled gaming the system. Even when we use strawpoll to vote what we want in a chart. And the anons in here aren't going to let you log their emails after they used a google form.

[Anonymous No.20974578]

>>20974551
There aren't any real "communal efforts" charts. No, "CHART MAKER SUPREME'S" chart isn't either. Let's not fool ourselves.

[Anonymous No.20974586]

>>20974568
>>20974578
I agree with the two of you.

[Anonymous No.20974601]

>>20974462
i dont think this place is as contrarian as people think. i think contrarians here are just either trolls or people using this platform as a venue for blunt or exaggerated honesty. this place used to be liberal but i think it changed because liberalism became a lot more ostensibly insane, and a lot of us just grew up. and this place is only mostly white because most english speakers happen to be white

[Anonymous No.20974620]

>>20974462
>This place was a far-left site during the Bush administration.
lol no it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.20974640]

>>20974620
It wasn't rabbid polly, that is for sure. You and your ilk came here when rebbit shutdown your orange worship club, and then you faggets try to slip into every board instead of staying in your containment board.

[Anonymous No.20974663]

>>20974120
It's ongoing and posted weekly on rr. You can also read two books that stop until a few chapters ago.

[Anonymous No.20974666]

>>20974233
Mother of learning is GOAT. I could never read all those russian litrpg novels.

[Anonymous No.20974678]

Favorite first contact books? I read Rendezvous With Rama and Contact.

[Anonymous No.20974682]

>>20974640
how kind of the left-wing site 4chan to accept refugees from the right wing site reddit

[Anonymous No.20974705]

>>20974678
The Mote in God's Eye!

[Anonymous No.20974710]

>>20974678
Probably Fiasco, with Blindsight being close second.

[Anonymous No.20974753]

>first chapter of book has a pregnant woman cheat on her husband
Welp

[Anonymous No.20974791]

>>20972753
Anon, these genres started colliding only recently, and webnovels tend to go for years before they are finished. It does appear uncharitable to expect such a recent genre to have solid choice of completed works.

[Anonymous No.20974807]

>>20972948
Infinite Realms: Monster & Legends and Defiance of the Fall are the best, me thinks. DotF generally is considered to have worse characters, but the author is a fucking genius at creating progression and Dao bullshit, he even takes from actual buddhist mystiycism and shit.

Infinity Realms is more focused on actual storytelling, but system stuff is incredibly coherent and thought out.

[Anonymous No.20974826]

>>20974807
As somebody who's read both (but dropped DotF) I'll generally concur. DotF has the most entertaining reason for a System existing in the first place, whereas very few others even try to justify it at all, or they just go "Eh the gods are dicks". Infinite Realm has a bit of stuff behind it, and I like that it's made clear the Framework in the story is not the first version, and there's remants of the previous ones around because the gods are capricious but they always give people a chance, they don't just kill you straight-up.

[Anonymous No.20974829]

>>20973827
I partially subscribe to the idea, but there are 2 gaping flaws in the viewpoint:
1. I already read other forms of literature, such as newspapers, meaning I get my dose of bad poetry, prose and cohesiveness
2. There are bad books which are worth reading. So at some level you are feeding yourself the needed perspective if you read enough

But if your question is aimed at the second interpretation of your text?
Ratings are not meaningful without a fuller picture.
But there is a reason why most children's books fall off a cliff outside of their publishing decade, but Dr Seuss and Lindgren stays strong.

[Anonymous No.20974887]

>>20974753
Hot
What book?

[Anonymous No.20974932]

[Anonymous No.20974964]

>>20971480
Actually reading the 1st Bakker novel of his trilogy, comfy but i still feel it's like a waste of time, and i could read Moby Dick or classics instead

[Anonymous No.20974981]

Have you ever gotten a book purely because of the artwork on its cover, /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.20975033]

Bakkerchads, what takes place here?

[Anonymous No.20975042]

>>20974233
Here is the latest chart.

[Anonymous No.20975057]

>>20975042
Why are those crossed out? I've admittedly only read a couple that were and of those only Randidly was mediocre. MoL was solid enough and Tower of Somnus seems fine so far.

[Anonymous No.20975060]

>>20975057
Because it's a personal recommendation list that he flaunts around like it's a communal effort.

[Anonymous No.20975065]

>>20975057
He's just some fucking /pol/tard that's trying to hard to fit in >>20974297

[Anonymous No.20975073]

>>20973827
I read bad books because sometimes they're failed experiments like Views From The Oldest House by Richard Grant.
Othertimes I'll read popular popcorn to see what the attraction is cos I'm a wannabe writer. Like books from Sarah Maas and Robert Jordan. But then I have to cleanse my palate with something actually good

[Anonymous No.20975093]

>>20975065
Trying hard to fit in my fat cock into your moms pussy.

[Anonymous No.20975098]

>>20975065
Oh, right. That makes some even more confusing (again, Randidly and MoL don't really fit his shitty criteria), also most of the ones with a woman on the cover are smut books anyway.

[Anonymous No.20975108]

>>20975098
Again, it's a /pol/tard, what else were you expecting? Just ignore him.

[Anonymous No.20975118]

>>20975065
wouldn't hurt you to try to fit in a bit better

[Anonymous No.20975145]

>>20975033
Barely surviving and hoping the roving sranc rape bands don’t catch you outside the city

[Anonymous No.20975185]

>>20975042
>chart about isekais
>no wizard knight or pirate freedom

[Anonymous No.20975194]

>>20972934
Able??

[Anonymous No.20975235]

>>20973788
Um, sweetie? He has a public education, he is much smarter than the savages in this new world, how would they even begin to think of using portals to attack. Everyone knows portals are for travel, besides magic is regulated by the government, so of course nobody is experimenting with it.

[Anonymous No.20975253]

>>20975145
Why is there even a city there, then? Isn't it weird, from a narrative perspective, that there's apparently a major city unusually close to Ishterebinth (not to mention Ishual) that Kellhus supposedly visited before the beginning of the series but that the reader never gets to see?
Bakker (and by virtue of that, Kellhus) must have been setting something up with that.
Sakarpus had good, well-explained reasons for existing in the middle of nowhere, and eventually did play an important role.

[Anonymous No.20975265]

I read Dune and I liked it a lot, but then I read Dune Messiah and it bored me to tears.
Should I continue with the series?

[Anonymous No.20975267]

>>20973699
>umu excuse me you don't think swords weigh more than 10 pounds do you?
Guts BTFOd kek. Reminder that everyone on the internet is a loser. This is clearly some angloid who has only read Lord of the Rings and thinks he's an expert. And that if one thing is kinda like something in Lord of the Rings, it is derivative. Main character drinks water? Book long? LOTR RIPOFF.

[Anonymous No.20975274]

>>20975265
>Should I continue with the series?
Are you that much of an indecisive bitch that you can't decide on your own?

[Anonymous No.20975276]

>>20975253
I got the sense that Atrithau was extremely isolated and the only reason it still existed was the fact it was built on anarcane ground. It’s still hundreds of (dangerous, sranc-ridden) miles from Ishterebinth and on the other side of a tall mountain range. To the point where Kellhus could claim to be the Prince of Atrithau and no one in the three seas could confirm or deny his claim for months.

Ishüal is likewise isolated and unknown.

[Anonymous No.20975280]

>>20975274
I want to know if it gets better. If it's all downhill after Dune I don't want to waste my time.

[Anonymous No.20975294]

>>20975280
>I want to know if it gets better
Then read it and find out, not that hard.

[Anonymous No.20975296]

>>20975294
You haven't read it have you?

[Anonymous No.20975306]

>>20973827
>should you only read the highest rated/highly recommended books and nothing else?
I really hope you aren't implying highly rated/recommended equals good. There are thousands of political factors that go into rating and recommending books. And different bodies have different standards. I would expect most people here wouldn't be most anything on say times or nprs fantasy lists. And for most average readers and for some trolls here, the best novels on novelupdates, royalroad, scribblehub are tops of shitheaps

>>20973836
He thinks the book that found its way to his local library or book store appeared there out of chance.

[Anonymous No.20975311]

>>20975265
I'm a big fan of the series and Messiah is my least favorite of all the novels. Children is my second-least favorite. I say keep going.

[Anonymous No.20975314]

>>20975311
ok, thanks anon I will

[Anonymous No.20975325]

>>20975185
>he didn't look at v3

[Anonymous No.20975331]

>>20973847
It's pretty simple, just download all the fiction books from libgen and pilimi
then put them in recoll or whatever search engine. Then you can easily filter out stuff you don't want to read.

[Anonymous No.20975337]

>>20974086
>My random book from some pozzed New Yorker is infinitely better than all xianxia.
Cope shill.

[Anonymous No.20975341]

>>20974233
Half of these aren't isekai unless you take the most generic possible definition thereof.

[Anonymous No.20975353]

>>20975341
It's not an isekai-only chart. It's isekai, gamelit and progression fantasy, which... I guess tie together a fair bit, but it is a bit weird to lump them into the same chart.

[Anonymous No.20975358]

>>20975341
Did anyone say that it's an isekai only chart, pedantic cunt anon?

[Anonymous No.20975365]

>>20975353
It's just a troll chart, there's no need to think so hard about it

[Anonymous No.20975371]

>>20974807
Yeah, I was probably going to have to read DotF at some point. I don't really give a fuck about stories/story-telling, I would rather read about the MC's fascination with their new autism toy.

[Anonymous No.20975373]

>>20975276
I forgot about the "arcane ground." Literally said to be the opposite of a topos. That sounds like it could be important. Would the no-god even have any power there?

The proximity to Ishterebinth and Ishual is mostly just a narrative question, like why did the author choose to put it there, not one that in-universe people would contemplate. But it stands out as such a sore thumb that I'm pretty confident someone will be taking a trip to Atrithau if Bakker ever publishes another book in this series (and Zeum of course, but that has become quite an obvious next-focus).

[Anonymous No.20975378]

>>20975265
Yes, because Dune volumes are like Star Trek movies (alternating good and bad).

[Anonymous No.20975385]

>>20974981
Loads of times. Most recently I ordered a copy of this because I liked the look of the sequel's cover art and decided to try it from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.20975390]

>>20975353
>>20975358
Yes, putting a ',' means it's isekai only. Oh, /lit.

[Anonymous No.20975396]

>>20975390
Or maybe, just maybe, all three can be found somewhere in the chart?
>what is reading comprehension
I don't blame you anon, I blame your parents for failing you.

[Anonymous No.20975397]

Can these video game faggots go to /v/ or /vg/ or something? I don't understand why "video game books" are considered science fiction or fantasy now.

[Anonymous No.20975401]

>>20975396
That's not how the English language works, anon.

[Anonymous No.20975404]

>>20975397
Probably because they're books about magic

[Anonymous No.20975408]

>>20975397
Please who us the video game books, anon?

[Anonymous No.20975414]

>>20975401
What you wanted, a semicolon?

[Anonymous No.20975417]

>>20975404
No they're not, they're books about video game mechanics referred to as magic.

[Anonymous No.20975429]

>>20975404
"Books about magic" would be occult literature, not SF/F.

[Anonymous No.20975431]

>>20975408
KINO

[Anonymous No.20975435]

>>20975417
If I suddenly had the ability to interact with a video game interface that gave me superpowers, I'm not sure what I would call that other than magic.
>>20975429
You are pedantically correct. I will rephrase. They are books set in a world where magic exists.

[Anonymous No.20975439]

>>20975431
>exclusive runescape poster inside
It's not exclusive bros; don't trust their lies.

[Anonymous No.20975440]

>>20975435
They are books set in video games, i.e. video game books.

[Anonymous No.20975443]

>>20975417
>>20975397
>Can these real life faggots go to /his/ or /out/ or something? I don't understand why "real life books" are considered science fiction or fantasy now.

[Anonymous No.20975448]

>>20975397
There's a wolf-to-human image floating around /v/ right now and it makes me think of Ereclaw if he were a female wolf.
Those who will get it, will get it.

[Anonymous No.20975450]

>>20975440
OK. Video games and fantasy are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.20975452]

>>20975443
Yes, low fantasy chuds get the bullet too.
Imagine reading >>20975385
looks like some western ninja shit by a white female angloid.

[Anonymous No.20975482]

Has anything surpassed Eragon? I stopped finishing books because nothing I found ever came close. The only thing that would make it better is if he was fucking his prepubescent dragon. So I guess, does anyone have any recommendations of books like Eragon with small dragon-partner sex scenes

[Anonymous No.20975487]

>>20975448
Haven't seen that image, but I'll be honest I have very little picture for what Ereclaw looks like in my head because the author is remarkably sparing on actually describing him beyond "wolf-man".

[Anonymous No.20975489]

>>20975450
Fantasy in the context of SF/F books is a specific (broad) genre, it doesn't just refer to the literal meaning of the word fantasy (something imagined). I know an old retired guy who self-publishes a series of books about an author-insert retired old guy character who goes around solving mysteries and banging unobtainable bombshells. Yeah, it's his fantasy alright, but that doesn't make them fantasy novels.

Going to live inside a video game where you have god-mode and anime girls throw themselves at your character may be your fantasy, anon, but it has nothing to do with the genre of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20975503]

>>20975489
>fantasy is when you copy LOTR
>why the fuck does every fantasy book copy LOTR
"The Angloids dilemma."

[Anonymous No.20975518]

>>20975503
You don't have to copy Tolkien, you can also copy C.S. Lewis.

[Anonymous No.20975523]

>>20975489
Anon, please show us these video game books, where people are living inside them.
Any book where someone lives in a game is shit, and as far as I see, no one is discussing it.

[Anonymous No.20975534]

>>20975523
Every single one of these.
>>20974233

[Anonymous No.20975542]

>>20973048
Sell me on the Sword of Bayne.

[Anonymous No.20975551]

>>20975518
Can I copy Lewis Carroll?

[Anonymous No.20975554]

>>20975534
Why are you seething about people discussing books on a literature forum? Do you have no life that you would rather suit up and derail a general with your tantrum just because some people read for fun? Don’t you see how pathetic that is?

[Anonymous No.20975564]

>>20975554
I assume it's because people are actually talking and discussing books they've read while he hasn't dead anything. It's not the first time he does this stupid shit. He usually does this shit twice a month. Just ignore him and his bitchfit.

[Anonymous No.20975565]

>>20975554
>read for fun
Again I will state: I don't read for fun, I read to exercise my reading muscles. We are not the same; you are a lesser man.

[Anonymous No.20975569]

>>20975554
Let's be honest: You're using the word "books" pretty loosely there.

[Anonymous No.20975570]

>>20975554
Because it was a nice thread until these "people" came in with their flamewar about god-knows-what, sounded like fighting about whether they can stand for there to be any female characters in their video game books or not. For the same reason /sffg/ is its own thread, they should go make their own thread somewhere appropriate.

[Anonymous No.20975573]

>>20975565
If I have to take a break from reading to fap, because you coomers put too much sexy stuff in the novel, then that is wasted time that should be spent reading.

[Anonymous No.20975579]

>>20975534
This just shows that you haven't read shit, and you are a memeing fagget.
Not because books are on a chart with "gamelit" means they are video games.
None of those (except worth the candle) takes place in a video game world. Please just stop, you are embarrassing us to the new users who actually read.

[Anonymous No.20975583]

>>20975551
YES!

[Anonymous No.20975589]

I'm struggling to find the motivation to plot out my boys middle grade fantasy book series. I'm planning on each book being about 20k-25k (so a Goosebumps book more or less) with each one being focused on teaching traditionally masculine traits (honesty, integrity, courage, etc) through the protagonist's actions and adventures.

[Anonymous No.20975591]

>>20975579
Holy shit, just ignore him, this anon >>20975554 already knows what he's doing. Don't let him shit up the thread further. Just ignore him.

[Anonymous No.20975593]

>>20975589
This belong to the writing general. Go there. >>20968911

[Anonymous No.20975594]

>>20975589
I would bump up the word count, lots of schools do this thing where they have reading tests on library books and students compete to read the highest number of words

[Anonymous No.20975607]

>>20975593
But it's fantasy.

>>20975594
I thought about that, but then I recalled reading that boys tend to gravitate towards shorter books at that age.

[Anonymous No.20975620]

This was very good

[Anonymous No.20975638]

>>20975443
History books already go on /his/
I don't understand why philosophy niggers can't find a more suitable board for their interests. /r9k/, perhaps.

[Anonymous No.20975641]

>>20975620
It's below average jim

[Anonymous No.20975648]

>>20975373
>Would the no-god even have any power there?
It's purely engineering based construct so it's unlikely that this factor matters.

[Anonymous No.20975680]

>>20975648
It's still in some way soul-powered, so it must have some connection to the Outside. Topoi are places where the outside bleeds into the world, where it's closer at hand. If arcane ground is the opposite of a topos, there should be less or no "reception" from Outside. Who's to say that wouldn't affect the no-god?
After all, there has to be some explanation why Atrithau survived the fall of the north in the first place.

[Anonymous No.20975702]

>>20975542
It's a fun and short sword and sorcery trilogy about a noble savage fella. The first book begins with him following somebody across a mountain and the overall series deals with his adventure and how it changes him as a person. Idk I liked it.

[Anonymous No.20975731]

On the book board you can talk about any book you like!

[Anonymous No.20975733]

>>20975731
Found the /v/ normie lol

[Anonymous No.20975765]

>>20975733
Found the election tourist normalfag lmao.

[Anonymous No.20975783]

>>20975765
If you mean bush election, then it's still too late, I've used 4chan in 2003. I've been on chans before 4chan existed.

[Anonymous No.20975797]

You two fags really have no lives if all you ever fucking do is shit up /sffg/ with your inane bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20975802]

>>20975797
Just rec a good(read long) loli xianxia and I'll gtfo

[Anonymous No.20975803]

>>20975797
newfags responding to newfags responding to newfags responding to
that's all it ever is

[Anonymous No.20975857]

Dat nigga Gene Wolfe crazy

[Anonymous No.20975863]

>>20975857
Word salad describing green lettuce of the salad but also jello of the infinite green salad with cold refreshing spinach

[Anonymous No.20975870]

>>20975863
Do you think it's meaningless drivel?

[Anonymous No.20975875]

>>20975870
Do you think postmodernism generator hasn't been used in 90% of the books you've read?
Yes, it's completely meaningless.

[Anonymous No.20975879]

>>20975875
>Solipism
>Postmodernism
wut

[Anonymous No.20975890]

>>20975879
Yes, postmodernists like to name-drop random philosophies that haven't been studied in thousands of years. What about it?

[Anonymous No.20975902]

>>20973155
Why so salty? It's just a word he can write so you don't think Tolkien / Laughing / Keebler every time you see it. They are what they are. You haven't decoded it by reading it down to all of your elf associations.

[Anonymous No.20975903]

>>20975890
What does the highlighted passage mean to you? Are you arguing that it doesn't say anything, or that what it says is not interesting?

[Anonymous No.20975904]

>>20975890
Also, they don't even accurately describe solipsism. Solipsists don't believe anything exists, full stop.

[Anonymous No.20975921]

>>20975902
>Tolkien / Laughing / Keebler
Why would I or most people think of three different authors they've never read. Most people would think of none of them, as nobody cares who popularized a basic fantasy concept. If an author admits that he is just copying somebody to the point where he needs to change the word "elf" to avoid plagiarism charges, he should just bash his head in or find a real job.

[Anonymous No.20975925]

>>20975890
I fucking can't stand scifi when characters are quoting ancient latin phrases or roman philosophers

[Anonymous No.20975938]

>>20975857
>symbolic force
There is a point where one realizes that they have no talent with the English language and should give up on writing; it's long before the above phrase is created. What an ugly pair of words.

[Anonymous No.20975948]

>>20975890
What do you like to read?

[Anonymous No.20975951]

>>20975948
Xianxia

[Anonymous No.20975966]

>>20975948
I want to read fun meaningless drivel, thus Xianxia
If I wanted to read meaningless philosophical drivel, I would just read philosophy works; not fantasy/sci-fi... Unless it's lolbertarian, kek.

[Anonymous No.20975972]

>>20971568
So the books tend tie all in together at some point. So just because it’s on one continent doesn’t mean it won’t effect elsewhere. I’m on like book 6 right now and it’s been a good read. Book 2 I think introduces some interesting characters. I say give it through 4 or so and see what you think.

[Anonymous No.20975978]

>>20975966
So it's not that you think the passage is pretentious, obvious, or faulty, but that it doesn't mean anything to you at all. You don't disagree with the argument, you're unable to detect it.

[Anonymous No.20975983]

>>20975978
My guy, he's just trying to stir up shit, and you're an idiot who keeps giving him attention.

[Anonymous No.20975987]

>>20975978
>You don't disagree with the argument, you're unable to detect it.
Yep, just like I don't write/use obfuscated C libraries.

[Anonymous No.20975991]

just finished the farseer trilogy and don't know if I should continue with the next series or not. I really enjoyed the first and second book but the third was a slog with the only payoff at the end being Fitz getting cucked with a homo romance being hinted at instead, while all the important events that the past three books were building to is resolved in a few pages of narrative from Fitz

[Anonymous No.20975998]

>>20975921
>three different authors
kek

[Anonymous No.20976004]

>>20975998
?

[Anonymous No.20976064]

>>20972830
The shadow of what was lost James islington has that vibe.

[Anonymous No.20976090]

Who are the best short story /sffg/ authors?
I've started reading PKD and read Lovecraft in the past

[Anonymous No.20976093]

>>20976004
>Laughing

[Anonymous No.20976095]

>>20976004
>Keebler

[Anonymous No.20976101]

>>20976095
Still better than anything Tolkien ever wrote.

[Anonymous No.20976102]

>>20975991
Well, the next trilogy is not about Fitz at all it's in a totally different area and more modern in that it's got multiple character PoVs. It's also really good. After reading that you might be more interested in the next Fitz series to see what he's been up to.

[Anonymous No.20976114]

>>20975991
I thought a lot of the payoff was Fitz learning to finally go his own way, even if he literally cucked himself, verities ultimate sacrifice and what that means to kettricken

[Anonymous No.20976124]

>>20976090
Ray Bradbury, Harlan Ellison, Roger Zelazny, Ted Chiang, R A Lafferty

[Anonymous No.20976133]

Are there more sci-fi/fantasy novels that aren't shy about age-gap relationships, sorta like some of the stuff by Bernd_Lauert on alt.sexstories

[Anonymous No.20976135]

>>20975991
The second Fitz trilogy has a happy ending where everything gets resolved, don't read the third Fitz trilogy.

[Anonymous No.20976165]

>>20976133
Heinlein, he loved milfs

[Anonymous No.20976183]

>>20976133

God Emperor of Dune :3

[Anonymous No.20976190]

>>20976064
Was that the protagonist? I thought it was the guy who lost his memories?

[Anonymous No.20976205]

do any of you read science fiction magazines? i've read a few recent issues of asimov's and analog, and i can't help but notice all of the sapphic undertones... and overtones, not to mention the mediocre writing

[Anonymous No.20976224]

>>20976165
>>20976183
That's not exactly the kind of age-gap I'm talking about
justpaste.it 4d1sz

[Anonymous No.20976235]

>>20976224
Kill youself, pedofreak.

[Anonymous No.20976237]

>>20976090
This is total recency bias, but "Stories of Your Life" and "Exhalation" by Ted Chiang are two of the best short-story collections I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.20976248]

>>20976235
??? This is 4chan

[Anonymous No.20976258]

I know it's for kids but how is Chronicles of Prydain? When I was young it was the third biggest series after LotR and Narnia.

[Anonymous No.20976263]

>>20976258
What? Are you 75?

[Anonymous No.20976266]

>>20973827
Bad books will find me, even if I try to avoid them. I don't need to make the effort to find them. I allow chance to do its work.

[Anonymous No.20976279]

>>20974526
What does "N.B." mean? Non binding? Like a non binding agreement?

[Anonymous No.20976292]

>>20976279
Nota bene. It's Latin for "note well" and means "pay special attention to what I'm about to say."

[Anonymous No.20976297]

>>20976258
It's alright. That's about it honestly. After the first two books, I got bored more and more often. Characters are simple and cute, happy ending, light romance. Simple really is the best word to describe it.

[Anonymous No.20976305]

>>20976279
Never Bakker

[Anonymous No.20976315]

>>20976292
The fuck? I never heard of that in my life.
No, sir. I don't like it.

[Anonymous No.20976324]

>>20976315
Of course not, you're on 4chan literally asking questions you can google under a minute, it's obvious you don't know nothing if you can't even do something that basic.

[Anonymous No.20976346]

>>20976324
Now where is the fun in that? If I just googled it, then I wouldn't be able to poke at your usage of it.
Why did you feel the need to use "N.B.", when it's the same amount of characters as "note"? Wouldn't "nb" be more efficient? And why use a Latin phrase that has the same amount of characters as the English phrase? "Nota bene" is the same length as "Note well".
Makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous No.20976352]

>>20976346
>Muh tradition make no sense lets get rid of it and eat feces all day
Powerful.

[Anonymous No.20976357]

>>20976346
Man, some people really don’t have lives here. You keep doing you, anon. I just hope you do something with your life and not just spend the entire day on your computer or phone just to shitpost on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.20976374]

>>20976346
Expressions like "n.b." and "i.e." and "e.g." and "et al." are just part of our language. They're not really "Latin" any more; they're English now.

[Anonymous No.20976386]

>>20976352
It's a poor tradition. I did look it up after you told me what it means. And they only started using it in the 1700s. It doesn't seem to have become very popular, because they didn't teach this in school.

>>20976357
Bro, we're both in the same thread. so don't start acting all holier than thou. I just read the image out of blind curiosity, as one does when they're browsing the site, and the N.B. thing seemed odd to me. Did you think I sat here for an hour composing a shitpost strategy or something? No, I just said whatever came to mind.

>>20976374
That's the crazy thing. Because I've heard of ie, eg, and et al before. nb is new to me. And I can't say I like it. Or any of them for that matter. Because we already have English terms that serve the same purpose. It just sounds like a fancy pants thing people to to make their writings feel more important than they really are.

[Anonymous No.20976400]

>>20976386
You're free not to use it then. But don't get butthurt when you read it.

[Anonymous No.20976406]

>>20976357
>Man, some people really don’t have lives here.
More like too lazy to use a search engine, I will never understand the mindset. Though its likely he's just looking an excuse to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.20976408]

>>20976386
N.B. is more often used in more 'formal' stuff, whereas the rest are used in more commonly seen things. It's not quite as uncommon as, say, QED, but it's up there.

[Anonymous No.20976412]

>>20976248
Correct, this is 4chan where it's OK to tell pedo freaks to kill themselves rather than some safe-space where you have to tell them to go to therapy and try to be good.
So fuck off, no one wants to help you find your pedo shit.

[Anonymous No.20976418]

>>20976386
>1711
That's 50+ years before the USA was founded, retard.

[Anonymous No.20976426]

>>20976412
No, dude it's 4chan where 90% of the users are pedo neets, who probably know exactly what I'm looking for. You reak of election tourism.

[Anonymous No.20976432]

>>20976426
Lurk for at least two more years before posting, 2016+ newfag.

[Anonymous No.20976436]

>>20976426
Nah, fuck off with your pedophilia bullshit and actually an hero yourself. You won’t be missed.

[Anonymous No.20976439]

>>20976408
It's way more common than QED because QED is used pretty rarely in proofs and isn't formally used in any other context. And I don't know what that guy is bitching about, they did teach it in school. Maybe he wasn't paying attention or went to shit schools.

>>20976426
Kill yourself pedo faggot

[Anonymous No.20976444]

>>20976432
Funny that you call 2016+ newfags, those are election fags.
>>20976436
You don't even know where an hero came from, lol. If you did you wouldn't be saying it.
>>20976439
seethe, cope and dilate

[Anonymous No.20976452]

>>20976426
>admitting to and being proud of being a pedo neet.
You'll hopefully be beat to death in whatever prison you end up in.

[Anonymous No.20976453]

>>20976444
And you're a stereotypical 2016+ newfag straight out of >>>/v/ with your seethe/cope/dilate flowchart.
The world would be a better place if creatures like your deadbeat father and whore mother were born with their umbilical cords wrapped tight around their throats.

[Anonymous No.20976459]

>>20976426
Cringe
You probably don't even know how to pass sadpanda

[Anonymous No.20976460]

>>20976439
Personally I've SEEN N.B. used in schools, but I've never seen it explained.

[Anonymous No.20976463]

>>20976258
Fantastic YA. The first book has clear LotR influences but the series has its own voice. I'll reread them again

[Anonymous No.20976468]

>>20976453
Newfags are 2006+ but I knew you wouldn't know that.
>>20976452
>>20976459
LOL /lit/ fags are the lowest IQ board.

[Anonymous No.20976470]

>>20976400
You guys are the butthurt ones. I just asked what it is, and decided I don't like it.

>>20976408
Still sounds pointless to me. Having to learn an abbreviation to a latin phrase, and then translate that latin phrase, all so you can save between 0 and 2 characters. It's just extra hoop jumping.

>>20976418
Yes, so? Baby doll, when you get older, you'll realize how small that time actually is.

[Anonymous No.20976479]

>>20976224
If you know about bernd you probably know about piper's domain, loliwood etc I don't really have anymore recommendations than that.

[Anonymous No.20976486]

>>20976470
Most people don't know the translations of those shorthand latin phrases. They just use them as shorthand. NB just means "take note" in that sense.

[Anonymous No.20976496]

>Actual pedophiles on here
I thought mods have a zero-tolerance towards them, especially what happened last time.

[Anonymous No.20976502]

>>20976496
>mods
Janitors. There is a difference.

[Anonymous No.20976503]

>>20976496
Mods are glaring newfags too and usually groomers.

[Anonymous No.20976504]

>>20971480
What are the best biopunk novels?
i head the leviathan trilogy is oretty good

[Anonymous No.20976506]

>>20976496
What happened last time?

[Anonymous No.20976516]

>>20976470
>Having to learn an abbreviation to a latin phrase, and then translate that latin phrase, all so you can save between 0 and 2 characters.
You don't have to learn, let alone translate any latin. It's not like it takes more than five seconds to explain to someone.
Since it's apparently your first time noticing the expression I can understand why you wouldn't see how it's any different from just using the word "note." Typically it is used in context as an even stronger warning to point out situations that would genuinely defy your assumptions. You might think of it like the difference between the first and last symbol here.

I'm sure I will attract some shitposts over claiming this, but a lot of early students also struggle to understand the difference between "i.e." and "e.g." because they mentally translate them both as "for example." But once they get used to noticing them, they quickly learn the differences in usages even if they can't explain it clearly. Before you judge the word so harshly for being unnecessary, keep your eye out for it in real texts and see if you don't start to develop a sense of why it's sometimes useful.

[Anonymous No.20976518]

>>20976496
(s)He's just baking his tendies anon he'll be back to delete half the tread soon.

[Anonymous No.20976521]

>>20976237
>>20976124
Thanks for the suggestions
I liked Arrival so I'll rad Ted first

[Anonymous No.20976539]

>>20975033
literally nothing after a couple notes about it existing after the prelude in DtCB.

Bakker is king of throwing all sorts of stuff into his world and forgetting that it's there so he sticks with the most stupid plots when simpler, less rapey/homo things would have worked just fine.

[Anonymous No.20976547]

I'm rereading Warlock of the Magnus world, it was only up to 1000 when I stopped 4 years ago. I'm currently at 250. Does anything happen in this novel?

[Anonymous No.20976548]

Might seem hyper-specific, but are there any /sffg/ books that explore or are inspired by Gnosticism?
I just learned about the concept after reading about the judge holden is an Archon theory. The idea of an evil demiurge and gnosticism in general is fascinating to me.

[Anonymous No.20976554]

>>20976548
You would genuinely have better luck lurking around >>>/x/.

[Anonymous No.20976560]

>>20976548
Just email Luke Smith.
N.B. He filters profanity

[Anonymous No.20976572]

>>20976516
>It's not like it takes more than five seconds to explain to someone.
To hear you guys tell it, I'm a no-life shitposter for asking for an explanation.
Well, you could be right about everything else. But it still seems odd to me. You all claim it's a formal thing that most people won't see. But you use it on a freakin' litrpg/isekai recommendation sheet. lol.

>keep your eye out for it in real texts
I will probably never read nb again in my life. Because nobody uses it.

[Anonymous No.20976582]

>>20976572
Yeah, whatever, people weren't exactly nice about it, but you did keep drawing it out. It's not the most common expression in literature that you'd read for entertainment because it's not much use in storytelling and is more suited to academic papers and the like where absolute precision is expected.

>I will probably never read nb again in my life. Because nobody uses it.
So I take it just now is your first time hearing of the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon too?

[Anonymous No.20976594]

>>20976582
>is more suited to academic papers and the like where absolute precision is expected.
LMAO spotted the psued, N.B. is used in newspapers and ads.
What the fuck kind of "absolute precision" does N.B. give lmao

[Anonymous No.20976621]

>>20976582
>Baader–Meinhof phenomenon
I haven't heard it by that name. But I'm familiar with it. And I was actually thinking about it as I typed out my post. But then I decided that I really won't see nb again. It's really not frequent enough to play a part in my life. Or most people's lives for that matter. Perhaps it's more frequent where you're from. It sounds like you have experience in some professional job that often reads legal papers. But for the rest of us, I doubt it will ever make itself known. That is, until some autist uses it in his Isekai chart. lol

[Anonymous No.20976628]

>>20976572
>You all claim it's a formal thing that most people won't see. But you use it on a freakin' litrpg/isekai recommendation sheet.
Yes, it's unnecessary and unusual to use it on an infographic like that, where the giant block of text calls plenty of attention to itself through graphic design. You don't need an "n.b." or even a "note" at all. But is it really any more egregious than if they'd written "F.Y.I." instead?

>>20976594
It's the kind of thing that is useful for e.g. describing a procedure that needs to be reproducible, where if you didn't call attention to caveats someone would question your results. "Nota bene" doesn't mean anything useful by itself, I'm saying that it comes up more in contexts where specific clarifications are common because the material must be factually understood. Newspapers are also an example of that, sure.
By the way, why are you capitalizing it, "pseud?"

[Anonymous No.20976636]

>>20976628
>But is it really any more egregious than if they'd written "F.Y.I." instead?
Yes, because FYI is actually a common phrase, so most people will understand it right away.

[Anonymous No.20976640]

>>20976628
Point to one example of N.B. or n.b. being used in a scientifc article of merit. You can't.

[Anonymous No.20976682]

>>20976640
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2353807

[Anonymous No.20976713]

>>20976682
It's literally misused in that article, you don't need to put in when you already [broke the in line reading]

[Anonymous No.20976722]

>>20976640
You have a shit vocabulary Anon and can't parse context

[Anonymous No.20976729]

Are there any good xianxia/litrpg fusions just xianxia with system autism would be fine to.

[Anonymous No.20976732]

>>20976713
I don't care. You asked, I answered. There were thousands of results, go look at them yourself if you don't like that one.

[Anonymous No.20976748]

>>20976729
Infinite Realm is pretty good. You have two major protagonist, one focusing more on classes and levels, the other focusing more on cultivation.

[Anonymous No.20976754]

>>20976748
>two protaganists
ARAGHHHHGHGHGHGHH

[Anonymous No.20976756]

anybody here read "savage realms" mag? it features dark sword and sorcery stories but I'm curious how pozzed it is

[Anonymous No.20976762]

>>20976754
Well, it's more two protagonists, but each volume alternates who's the focus.

[Anonymous No.20976768]

>>20976756
If it has a subreddit there is a 25% chance of pozzed, if the subreddit is active that jumps to 75%+ Of course you have people like tom scott who are the definition of pozzed and shut down their subreddit because redditors are too "toxic", but those guys are obviously hypersocialized bugmen.

[Anonymous No.20976774]

>>20976762
Ok, that not as bad, I'll download it but I prefer the cultivator to have a cultivation-related/adjacent system.

[Anonymous No.20976797]

>>20976774
So there's basically a universal system and three 'focuses', and you're intended to only really focus on two at most. They share some elements, but they progress fairly differently and do different stuff.

[Anonymous No.20976800]

>>20976797
Wouldn't cultivation just be 1000x more powerful than anything else? Also, how are lifespans handled?

[Anonymous No.20976812]

>>20976800
Cultivation is the slow-burn method of power accumulation.
>cultivation
>classes
>skills
You can read to learn how Skills are handled although it may take a bit. The two protags specify in cultivation and classing, respectively.
It's fairly common to live hundreds of years, and 'immortality' is handled a bit differently than I've seen in other stories: If someone dies they usually resurrect after x time in their 'natural habitat', for lack of a better term. So say you have a dude who has earth/ground based abilities and he dies but has immortality, then you could bring him to some special area where that type of Essence accumulates in a high Tier and he would come back to life after x time. Like a week or so, depending.

[Anonymous No.20976817]

>>20976800
The general rule seems to be no focus is explicitly more powerful. There's classes, which is a standard LitRPG fare, cultivation, and then skills, which are more nebulous and willpower-based. Classes are easy to level and generally easy to use, though you do hit bottlenecks where you need to have done something worthy to be able to evolve your class and level up and they're generally a bit more restrictive in what they're capable of. Cultivation is harder to do, more expensive and generally difficult unless you're extremely talented or have guidance, but is far more free-form and instead of external achievements being the bottleneck, it's internal understanding of your abilities. Skills are just a whole 'thing' where you're basically enforcing your will onto reality to break the rules of the world in some way, and how hard or easy they are to progress is entirely dependent on the person's will, with some people skipping several tiers, though you have to eventually 'lock in' a part of yourself into skills, for reasons. There's a lot of convoluted stuff, it's well-thought-out for what it is. The cultivation-focused protagonist is very much a love-or-hate character I think, because he's just a single-minded autist who wants to cultivate as much as he can because why not (at first), whereas the class-focused guy is more morally-driven, etc.

[Anonymous No.20976823]

>>20976812
>>20976817
Ok, I'll read, but it sounds scuffed.

[Anonymous No.20976825]

>>20976800
Lifespans are basically some cultivation tiers give you extra lifespan, and reaching the aptly-named Immortal Realm just gives you agelessness, along with some form of ability to resist death. Some can respawn at a set location, some can come back to life if their body is mostly intact and put near their 'thing', some go to the afterlife and have to do some shit to come back, etc.

[Anonymous No.20976827]

Wait, is one of the protagonists black?

[Anonymous No.20976830]

>>20976827
Is that a problem?

[Anonymous No.20976831]

>>20976823
It's rough, but it's clearly written from a place of passion. Solid character-writing overall, too, though some developments seem a little out of left field, like... One that was near the end of the most recently finished volume, for example. I'll keep that vague, but people who know know.

[Anonymous No.20976833]

I'm not trying to start anything again but how do any of the above posts sound like a discussion about literature, rather than video games? Or tabletop games, perhaps. If this is really a genre of fantasy literature I do not understand it.

[Anonymous No.20976834]

>>20976830
Of course not, anon... is he?

[Anonymous No.20976836]

>>20976827
Zach, the class-focused morally-driven guy, is black, yes. Ryun, the cultivation guy, is apparently asian? It's not brought up as much.

[Anonymous No.20976835]

>>20976827
One protag is a nigga knight, yes.

[Anonymous No.20976841]

>>20976836
Ok, that fine. I just thought that It would have been funny if the black guy cultivated and turned white after reaching foundation establishment or whatever.

[Anonymous No.20976843]

>>20976833
Different people read books for different things. Personally I read Infinite Realm because I generally like the characters, the system stuff is "oh that's neat" but not the main draw to me.

[Anonymous No.20976848]

>>20976841
>most powerful black person in human history turned white
Makes you think.

[Anonymous No.20976849]

>>20976841
Well one character's skin does change colour after cultivating, actually. She goes from green skin to red skin.

[Anonymous No.20976853]

>>20976843
I'm really only reading for the system autism, I expect at the very least dropdown menus or the only thing dropped will be the novel

[Anonymous No.20976857]

>>20976853
Oh you're going to get your screens and you WILL like them.

[Anonymous No.20976860]

>>20976853
Well you get a lot of pages where it's just them looking at their screens and that definitely fills space. Often you'll get a POV of somebody new or at least who hasn't had a POV yet and get a glimpse of what somebody really far along is like, it's neat.

[Anonymous No.20976866]

>>20976849
This sounds like a whitewashed cultivation system, xianxia literally has your physiognomy change after a breakthrough; as well as expelling impurities and whiting the skin.

[Anonymous No.20976873]

>>20976866
It's its own thing, anon. It's not gonna follow every concept of xianxia cultivation, it's doing its own stuff with the notion.

[Anonymous No.20976876]

>>20976873
That's fine, I don't expect every western web novel to be cryptobased. I usually don't have any expectations at all.

[Anonymous No.20976878]

>>20976833
Just ignore it if you don't like it, Christ, it's just people discussing, don't know why it makes you seethe so much.

[Anonymous No.20976884]

Has anybody tried 9front (the plan 9 fork) I'm about to boot it up in qemu. What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.20976890]

>>20976884
>>>/g/

[Anonymous No.20976893]

>>20976884
wrong board.

[Anonymous No.20976894]

>>20976890
>>20976893
I already asked in /g/ and they just spouted retarded memes like get a job etc.

[Anonymous No.20976899]

>>20976894
>>>/g/
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.20976902]

>>20976899
Ok, I posted it in the questions general.

[Anonymous No.20976909]

>>20976894
And why the fuck are you posting here, we don’t know that shit, go ask >>>/g/ you retard.

[Anonymous No.20976913]

>>20976909
I assumed you guys also had computers, so maybe one of you tried another os

[Anonymous No.20976918]

>>20976909
We get special needs sometimes.

[Anonymous No.20976919]

See I'm getting shitpost replies already

[Anonymous No.20976922]

>>20976919
:(

[Anonymous No.20976931]

>>20976919
>>20976922
And how is this our problem? Just fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.20976935]

>>20976919
Wow anon, we really care about your off-topic issue.

[Anonymous No.20976937]

>>20976931
>>20976935
Fuck you guys I'm going back to >>>/g/ and never coming back.

[Anonymous No.20976999]

>>20976937
Unironically
>>>/Wsr/
Ok not fuck off

[Anonymous No.20977012]

>>20976999
Well, I switched over to the plan9port some time ago and was wondering if I should take the plunge, the utilities are obviously simpler, but they are being hampered by the GNU centric environment of Linux

[Anonymous No.20977046]

>>20977012
Sigh
*Now* fuck off

[Anonymous No.20977052]

>>20977046
Read computers and typesetting series by knuth if you are so /lit/

[Anonymous No.20977210]

>>20976922
ok that's pretty funny

[Anonymous No.20977215]

>>20977012
You should try Haiku instead

[Anonymous No.20977259]

>>20977215
>C++
LOL, you must be trolling. Is it cause it /lit/ related?

[Anonymous No.20977349]

>>20977259
What, we need to stay compatible with BeOS R5

[Anonymous No.20977350]

>>20977259
>>20977349
Fuck off to >>>/g/

[Anonymous No.20977351]

>>20977349
If you are unaware, plan9 has a virulent hatred of C++, for them, it's C or Go.

[Anonymous No.20977375]

>>20977350
/g/ hate unix and free software.

[Anonymous No.20977551]

New thread
>>20977550