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>The US needs to maintain an all volunteer, highly equipped, highly disciplined, active combat military at all times to defend yourself against wars that you begin by fighting on the other side of the galaxy because... because you just do, alright???

>> No.20950465

Starship Troopers or Old Man's War, anon?

>> No.20950515

>>20950338
Service guarantees citizenship.

Have you proven yourself worthy by sacrificing your own selfish interest in the pursuit of the community? I doubt it. And thus, going by the logic of Heinlein in this work, you should not have voting rights. I mind myself agreeing.

>> No.20950548

>>20950338
Did you even read the book? The whole point is that for a voting system to work the only individuals that should be granted the right are people who are willing to die for the institution voting upholds.

>> No.20950609

OP, you might be retarded

>> No.20951053

Pacifism, while extremely retarded as an individual philosophy because it falls apart just like your face when punched, is supremely retarded as a foreign policy.
I am from a country that was on a hit list of the United States (a list that includes like half the countries on the planet lmao) but even I get it. The only valid criticism of American foreign policy is that a few engagements werent profitable/cost effective. But that's it.

As for the novel, Heinlein criticizes spineless warmongering politicians and raytheon ceo types who start massive wars for massive profits but have no personal risk or cost or involvement. Same for citizens, who are allowed to enrich themselves as merchants, but arent allowed to dictate foreign policy.
I also think the book reveals interest groups and lobbying as a whole to be no different from corruption. If you arent serving in the war, you shouldnt start one, simple as.

>> No.20952470
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20952470

>>20950338
Based bait thread poster

>> No.20952562

>>20950465
both

>> No.20953018

>>20950515
I would like to know more.

>> No.20953509

While the specific implementation of a militarist society in Starship Troopers is flawed and a bit handwaving at times, the fundamental ideas in it are quite important.
The obvious one is the disconnect between rights and responsibilities in current liberal democracies. I also liked the discussions of morality in a more-or-less atheist society.

>> No.20953511

>>20952470
this is fucking hilarious to me
my sense of humor is so retarded god, thanks anon

>> No.20954438
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20954438

>>20950338
Shit book from a shit author. Instead of demonstrating what he wishes to tell via character developement and agency, we must instead read page after page of pontificating from his self-insert. The values in it are watered down and soft to the point of being redudant, with little supporting argument given to them.

Movie was kino though.

>> No.20954442

So it goes.

>> No.20954478

>>20954438
filtered

>> No.20954510

>>20954478
By what exactly? I was a Fascist before reading it.