/wg/ - Writing General

[Anonymous No.20937449]

Previous Thread: >>20928392

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Note to anyone posting a sample of your writing for critique:
>IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED A CURSORY PROOFREAD, DO NOT EXPECT TO BE TREATED KINDLY. EDIT YOUR WORK FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR BEFORE POSTING.

Traditional Publishing
Pros:
>you get to focus mostly on writing
>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them
>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs
>self publishing is basically like running your own company
>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readers
Cons:
>you make 10-15% profit max
>self publishing you make 70%+
>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anyways

Finding Agents
>https://querytracker.net/join.php
>https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>risky, but much more profitable
>you must pay for everything yourself
>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^･o･^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story
>Manga in Theory and Practice, Araki

For advertising
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg

AI-generated book covers
>https://nightcafe.studio
>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
>https://app.wombo.art/
>https://penguin.jos.ht/
>https://beta.openai.com/playground

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Other forums
>https://reddit.com/r/writing
>https://writing.stackexchange.com/

[Anonymous No.20937463]

I'm writing a blog piece about the sterilization of media. I hope somebody enjoys it.

[Anonymous No.20937478]

>>20937449
Didn't get a proper content assessment of my articles in the last thread

https://adolfstalin.substack.com/p/a-quest-for-faith-in-phoniness

https://adolfstalin.substack.com/p/the-metaphysical-crisis-of-the-mens

Gonna add a third one

https://adolfstalin.substack.com/p/on-philanthropy

[Anonymous No.20937500]

How do you build connections and relationships in the writing/publishing community? The goal in this case isn't so much to get feedback on my manuscript, more that I want to have a network to stay abreast of industry trends and to be in the right place at the right time for publishing opportunities and that sort of thing. Are there conventions, clubs, online spaces, etc. that facilitate this aside from just shouting into the void on Twitter?

[Anonymous No.20937502]

>>20937478
It's shit. The content is unreadable without good grammar. It also feels like you're just regurgitating some stupid "alpha" sigma male bullshit from r9k or other male masculinity youtuber.

Complete garbage take.

[Anonymous No.20937508]

>>20937463
Be sure to talk about technology's effects on the medium itself

[Anonymous No.20937512]

>>20937502
Ok, so what were feminists doing then? Shitposting for shits and giggles?

[Anonymous No.20937514]

>>20937478
You offer nothing but just a bunch of words that are ill connected and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

[Anonymous No.20937524]

I've been hopping around looking for where to post my stuff and it looks like Royal might be the place to do so, while I'm still in the hobbyist stage of things.
If anyone has an alternatives I'd like to hear them but writing wise shit is going smoothly.

[Anonymous No.20937527]

>>20937500
If you're not pozzed, you will have a hard time fitting into any writing community, but the proper way is making a twitter account and putting in your bio that you're a writer, plus your pronouns (this is extremely important), and you start interacting with other writers with pronouns in their bios. I even made some random blog's list of "50 most interesting writers under 25 who are yet to publish their first novel" or some shit like that, and I haven't written anything yet.

[Anonymous No.20937530]

>>20937512
I don't know. Fighting for equal rights such as voting? The right for equal wages? A right for sexual liberation and be sluts?

Those are all noble goals from the female perspective. So incel, why are they wrong? The average female intelligence is higher than males, so by that logic they can have reason.

[Anonymous No.20937538]

>>20937478
Oh that third one is a fucking hoot. Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.20937539]

>>20937514
You got filtered then

[Anonymous No.20937544]

>>20937530
Nothing about that is remotely noble

[Anonymous No.20937545]

>>20937539
>I have no rebuttal

[Anonymous No.20937556]

>>20937545
No, faggot, show me sources where female intellect is higher because women reside in the middle. There's a lot of male retards out there, true, but there's more male supergeniuses. Also I was getting laid before you were born, so cut the passive-aggressive faggot talk out of your vocabulary

[Anonymous No.20937560]

My story is about an overachieving career obsessed alcoholic who falls in love with a women.

I like my story so far, but I struggle to come of up with a valid reason a good women would fall for a guy like that.

How can I make it believable?

[Anonymous No.20937566]

>>20937556
>>20937478
I'll give you credit, if you're trying to genuinely emulate this type of annoying twenty year old, you're getting a lot of it right.

[Anonymous No.20937568]

>>20937556
It's well known stupid. There are a lot more males on both sides of the extreme, but females are more huddled together.

AKA, females are too stupid to innovate, but more adaptable than men.

[Anonymous No.20937571]

>>20937560
He dates rape her, but he has a really long dick and she gets obsessed with it, so can't help keep going after him to bait him until they fall in love. A true story from a rapekink community.

[Anonymous No.20937572]

>>20937527
True true. Just have to play the game. I'm sure that's what a lot of these other writers on Twitter are doing too.

[Anonymous No.20937577]

>>20937568
>There are a lot more males on both sides of the extreme, but females are more huddled together.
you're right about this, but
>grades
anon... I...

[Anonymous No.20937578]

>>20937568
>>20937478
>>20937512
Fuck off to /pol/ if you want to argue about this shit. This general is for arguing about punctuation.

[Anonymous No.20937589]

>>20937578
Dilate

[Anonymous No.20937592]

>>20937578
Anon, we're on /pol/. This is a /pol/ website and /pol/ topics, whatever they may be, are never off topics. If you don't like that, you can go to /r/writing.

[Anonymous No.20937593]

>>20937560
Make the woman alcoholic too.

[Anonymous No.20937601]

How many words per plot point?

Like, how do I write 2000 words based on this plot point?

>Jack's wife hanging from the ceiling

[Anonymous No.20937603]

>>20937593
I’m thinking of making her a prostitute

[Anonymous No.20937606]

>>20937568
Then why did the one anon claim women are smarter than men? Anyways, idc, continue discussing gay things like punctuation

>>20937566
I'm 40 but I have enough life experience to make a judgement call they might be on to something. Anyways, im bouncing to other threads. Have fun, faggots.

[Anonymous No.20937629]

>>20937560
Try reading a few Graham Greene novels

[Anonymous No.20937631]

>>20937606
>I'm 40
Oh bro. Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.20937652]

>>20937603
>>20937560
Maybe she has a long history of men being dishonest to her and his honesty about his job and situation and what he wants turns her on.

[Anonymous No.20937672]

>>20937606
On average dummy. Read more non fiction. FFS I even gave you a graph. And about writing, your shit fails because new data has come out and you're still using outdated data this you can't be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.20937693]

>>20937672
>read more non fiction
That's pretty much all I read
>On average dummy
You still haven't posted proof
>you can't be taken seriously
Don't care, didn't ask, dilate

[Anonymous No.20937713]

>>20937693
I just gave you a fucking graph. Do you need me to find even Jordan Petersons confirmation too?

[Anonymous No.20937717]

HONECKER COLOURS
HONECKER COLOURS

YOU USED TO BE COOL, MAN

[Anonymous No.20937726]

>>20937713
Most science is peer reviewed which affirms the biases of its participants and who is paying them. Im not convinced

[Anonymous No.20937745]

>>20937726
YOU USED TO BE COOL HONECKER
YOU USED TO BE COOL

[Anonymous No.20937810]

>>20937606
>Then why did the one anon claim women are smarter than men?
Because we're in the age of woke and "hurr durr man bad" is just one of the notions oversocialized males feel the need to regurgitate.

[Anonymous No.20937812]

>>20937745
I still am, im still a Socialist

[Anonymous No.20937815]

>>20937810
Makes sense. Archetypal redditor phenotype

[Anonymous No.20937826]

>>20937810
>>20937815
no stupids, because the literature is there. The literature's been there for the past 30 years , way before the woke nonsense.

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-scottish-iq-test-scores-by-gender-reveal-the-greater-variability-of-male-intelligence/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/dr-paul-irwing-there-are-twice-as-many-men-as-women-with-an-iq-of-120plus-426321.html

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20066931/

stop being retarded.

[Anonymous No.20937829]

>>20937478
Do you think the world needs another narcissistic retard writing a blog about their shitty opinions? Nobody cares. Besides the fact that you have no idea about what you are writing about, you can not even write well. Utter garbage. Read a book and stop fancying yourself an intellectual when you have shit for brains, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20937858]

>>20937829
Seethe, buddy. I'm not here to make friends

>>20937826
Being retarded is preferable to being gay bcuz retards don't fuck and spread GRIDS and monkeypox like gay faggots do

[Anonymous No.20937866]

>>20937478
I read the third one and I would recommend, minimally, proofreading your work. Lots of uncapitalized words and sentences that should be split into several. Beyond that, I would get a more consistent structure. The beginning of the article is short, succinct paragraphs that eventually give way to a big block of text that makes it feel pretty awkward. Finally, I would probably work harder on giving the reader a complete picture of what you're talking about. Suppose I wasn't familiar with Carnegie or any of the other historical movements. This is a balancing act since you don't want to cloud your thoughts behind thousands of words of explanation. However, I felt like there's probably a whole other half of an article lurking in your brain to establish the vantage point before explaining the scenery, if that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.20937869]

>trying to write something like "X is no more Y than A is B" but so rusty on logic language that I am stumbling all over
God damn I wish I was smart.

[Anonymous No.20937872]

Instead of this shit flinging, let's talk about my game ok?

[Anonymous No.20937891]

>>20937866
At least this is not full of ad hominems. Its tricky but ill keep that in mind for future articles

[Anonymous No.20937895]

just tell me how to do words good faggots

[Anonymous No.20937900]

>>20937895

[Anonymous No.20937912]

>>20937858
>Getting ass raped so badly he's seething uncontrollably

[Anonymous No.20937919]

>>20937912
Nobody brought up anal rape in this thread, until you did. Nice job outing yourself.

[Anonymous No.20937923]

>>20937478
Read the first one. Not bad. You might want to check out Simulacra and Simulation. What you're describing is essentially what Baudrillard talks about - people putting the symbol before the thing in itself and the symbols of symbols becoming so abstracted and detached from the thing itself that the thing itself is obscured then lost entirely.
You really need to edit your shit, though. Way too many obvious grammatical errors.
Also, try to go a step deeper and also try to poke holes in your own argument. One rebuttal could be:
>the marxists aren't talking about the symbol (money) but are talking about material possessions - necessities: food etc.
Even though I agree with you and not the Marxists on this one - you should try to rebut yourself and get ahead of potential rebuttals.

[Anonymous No.20937930]

>>20937923
I was recommended Baudrillard recently, I've owned two of his books for some time now but never cracked them open. S&S is out of print last time I checked. I might check again

[Anonymous No.20937957]

>>20937919
It's okay you still got ass raped.

[Anonymous No.20937968]

>>20937957
Duly noted

>>20937923
This one was written a few months ago, I think

https://adolfstalin.substack.com/p/the-problem-of-subjectivityhtml

[Anonymous No.20938080]

>>20937968
dooley*

[Anonymous No.20938089]

Ray Johnson? Ray Johnson?

[Anonymous No.20938117]

>>20937449
>anon who runs the author pastebin hasn't edited it since November 2021

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/57441/the-elevation-chronicles-grimdanklit-rpgfeels
>ADD ME!
>I hope he didn't an hero.

[Anonymous No.20938137]

>>20937968
Again, not bad, just needs a bit of editing/tightening. Also, don't know if this is a common theme in your work - but if most of your writing consists of shitting on Marx - then I recommend chilling out, taking a step back, and to remember to view him and his work as objectively as possible. 99% of his 'fans' annoy the shit out of me, too, but he was just some fuckin' guy. The more people mythologize him as a villain the more powerful he becomes.
Another thing (and you are by no means the worst offender in this regard) is - okay, let's make a bet:
If at any point while writing this you had the thought: "how can I say this in a way that sounds smart" then I recommend you take this advice.
If you never had that thought and instead thought "how can I say this as clearly and concisely as possible" then I concede that I'm just a big dumb stinky doody head.
I recommend trying to get your writing as tight and clear as possible. No foolin' around with your ego.
One thing I cannot stand about a lot of philosophers (looking at you, Frenchies) is when they sacrifice clarity for complexity. If I have to mine through a mountain of shit to get to the gold - then you haven't done your job as a writer. You are discoverer of gold, and also miner/refiner. When that nugget of gold ends up on my screen/in my hands - it better be fuckin' flawless.
When I read a lot of philosophers they'll have these brilliant ideas, but they'll be caked in so much fucking shit that half the work ends up on me to decipher these assholes. I understand the necessity of gatekeeping, but you should gatekeep with depth of thought, not a language puzzle.
An example of this done right (in my opinion) is Nietzsche. When I read him I swear he writes one sentence then he thinks: "Some asshole is going to misinterpret this." and the rest of the book is him desperately trying to make his point as clear as possible, yet people still misunderstand him - fans and critics alike. That's the kind of misunderstanding you want. When your ideas are complex, not the presentation.
Again, if I'm wrong about my bet: I concede that I'm just a stinky dumby head and you should take what I've said with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.20938324]

https://old.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/x53inv/whatre_some_of_your_guys_favorite_quotes_from/

thanks for linking this great community in the OP, some real talent i can learn from here

[Anonymous No.20938360]

When someone titles something with two titles as for e.g. "Moby-Dick" OR "The Whale" what makes them do that. And do you think it's suitable for just a short story? I really can't decide between two titles as both are seriously tied to the core of the story. So I want to but to be honest I feel kind of fake and gay doing so and I should just pick one.

[Anonymous No.20938366]

This general has become fucking unusable holy shit
If you haven't lived here for the past month leave, now

[Anonymous No.20938367]

>>20938360
it was probably a move by the original publisher. there are no 'two titles'. you can have a subtitle or something though. if you're asking this question, anyone else would be too

[Anonymous No.20938368]

>>20938366
i wasn't here the last week or so, but i would have thought this to be the case for much longer. and there were 1-2 schizos relentlessly shitposting recently.. but what have you found?

[Anonymous No.20938375]

>>20938360
Do it please. I am doing it for a short story of my own, so I need support. If it's gay, we're gay together.


Otherwise,
Beowulf made an introduction. He was carrying his cliche boombox and had adorned himself in pelt. The boombox played instrumental music, which was fast and heavy.

"I am Beowulf of these roads,
Hero and King and brother in arms
Of many, who presents with charms,
Gold and aweish, and is of large chode.
For my life is in fraternity,
My determination is for my hombres.
At banquet after my pillages,
I supp, and I fuck whores
Whom I have allured of the villagers
I have shot with glock and burned,
And the pistol-whip victims splayed,
Frayed and the harlots laid
Are all of my empire's array
And part of its large possessions
Belonging to my gang-lords and I.
My guns, partially automatic, vye;
They vye for victory, and bullets they fly.
And my enterprise is conquest,
My songs wherethrough I express
The dark, vindictive psychology I am
And my aggression and my excess.
I sing by speaking, low-tone and serious,
And I surmount the speed limit in my Lambo,
Bylaws and ordinances broken; I am fearless.
So be it if I die in spur of gunfire, for Sheol
Is my true home, home of all homies,
Of which one I am, and I roll iambos.
Indeed, I am "hardcore," and this,
Through evidence of my drips,
Is proven, like dopesickness by dope,
And like suicide by intention and rope.
Yon concourse, yours I see, sums of fools.
Lo! There I witness my macabre tools,
And I avail myself to the .22,
Wherewith I will blast you.
Yes, I sprach threats to you in lyrics,
Which are accompanied by beats,
Beats which are furious. Hear this:
Advisement, mine to you and your clique,
Is that when you walk, you instead run;
And when you haste, attempt not to creak,
For mine ears are sensitive to drum;
Yes, scholared am I in "hip hop" that, as
I've superb ability to detect percussion,
My mind is attuned also to picking up fat ass.
Do I overkill, or have I already slain discussion?
Yea, for when I drop microphone I beat equines;
Or, nay, for when such concise lines
Have razed to the ground your discography
All not scribed is the weight of my rapper glory.
In spite of my fame and valour, I also suffer,
For I am of history and losses, personal,
Which have inspired me through tragedy
To ensure for myself my reputation, a fleek O.G."

Beowulf briefly reprieved here.

[Anonymous No.20938387]

what the fuck am i doing here? i was able to 'gift to vassal', but not 'subjugate and gift', 2 these 2 factions. these were not yet my vassals.. and these factions are not on the diplomacy list.

[Anonymous No.20938399]

I'm writing a wish-fullfilment romance story with super heroes that gets tragic towards the end.
I don't want to invest time worldbuilding, so I settled for a Madoka fanfiction.
This is the opening sequence so far: throws you right into the action, establishes some context, there is the usual anime shit happening, self-insert as the guy talking to a pretty girl.

I really struggled with the facial description because:
>I don't know how to describe a pretty woman
>She's a fucking anime character
but I did my best. r8 and h8.

Also, please for the love of god
>recommend me some good romance books or any type of romantic media you have enjoyed in the past, no matter how fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.20938431]

Is it weird to include a gemshorn in my world, with that specific name?
It is made from the horn of a chamois (which does exist in the world), but the word itself is very german (which does not exist).
Should I use a different word? Maybe make one myself?

[Anonymous No.20938434]

Well I waited two weeks after finishing and wrote some 20k words of other shit, it's finally time to start editing my novel.
What advice can you give to someone so they won't die from cringe while reading their own work?

[Anonymous No.20938445]

>>20938434
Something horrible will happen to you one day. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. There's no telling when it will happen.
It could happen in 50 years, or 10, or tomorrow.
It could be an incapacitating disease, an accident, a person, a circumstance.
You write for yourself, never forget.

[Anonymous No.20938446]

>>20938399
neat. i've never read fanfic.
no need to make excuses about why you're writing it though.. it is what it is; though, if you weren't writing it for madoka fans, then everything about this would be insane. they're also young teens, so you're in really niche territory.
anyway.. there are some errors and questionable grammar.
not really sure what writing cheatcodes fanfic affords you, so i can't give too much feedback, but one thing that bothered me was the last sentence-- are you implying that her walking out of the room prompted that fear? as this is what it implies, though i assume you mean from the previous event.

[Anonymous No.20938455]

>>20938431
if the animal exists, then it's perfectly fine. ex. chamois is a french word.. i know what you mean, but it isn't a problem. so long as you don't expect your reader to know what that is.

[Anonymous No.20938465]

>>20938446
>no need to make excuses ...
More than making excuses, I'm trying to tell people clearly what I'm going for so that I can get more precise advice.
>there are some errors and questionable grammar...
I'm ESL, in a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being literally unreadable and 10 being "native", where am I?
>the last sentence...
I felt it was a very weak part, but I'm struggling to continue the sequence of events. I'm thinking of cutting this scene there and moving on to the part were he asks her out.

[Anonymous No.20938467]

>>20938431
nah. It's not like English exists in your world (I presume) so why shouldn't you describe things in earthly terms that exist on earth? If you aren't a linguistfag, why bother inventing terms that are more confusing for the audience and don't even follow some invented structure?

[Anonymous No.20938480]

Been giving critiques for while, but ending it now. Most works are in first person which uninspires me. If I do critique, there's no thanks or engagement. The spammers and trolls are the straw that broke the camel's back

>>20938399
>I had a hard time believing my eyes: The ribbons were different, but the pig tails were the same.
Semi-colon should be used here instead of a colon.
>...she wore that day throwed me off
Threw*
>"Don't worry, I'm sure one of my friends will share with me"
I'm sure one of my friends will share theirs with me.*
>The shy smile that drew across her delicate lips transported...
Her lips ARE her smile. A smile would have to be drawn across her face, not her lips.
>...there was only one thing I could possibly say
Perhaps delete 'possibly', and put emphasis on 'could' instead? I don't like the way it sounds right now.
>"I'm glad that you're alive"
Omit 'that'.
>I was so afraid of...
Delete the 'so' in 'so afraid'.

Stories with good romance that I've read are: Niels Lyhne, Mogens, Mrs. Fonss; All are by Jens Peter Jacobsen.

[Anonymous No.20938485]

>working on the script for my toy stop motion epic
>decide to add a peace time epilogue arc to tie some loose ends related to the lore and politics
>pick a somewhat heroic antagonist whose motivations carry the spirit of every past villain's agendas to be the big rival to defeat
>realize from this guy's background that he would actually make for a better MC than my current MC
>he could even be put into most scenarios my current MC goes through
>the ones that would get lost in the translation are either not that important or i was having trouble with
>his appearances in some of them feel more poignant or fun
>he's easier to fit him into increasing positions of importance
>romance would be easier to write and play with
>he can be fit better into the power scale i assigned to the story and his abilities are at an intersection that would allow me to explain about four of the power systems in use without infodumping
>biggest downside is that I would have to put more work into making new faceplates, which I was going to do for my current MC anyway
>discarding my current MC sounds more appealing every day
Fuck me. How do I pull the trigger?

[Anonymous No.20938490]

>>20938480
Thanks anon.
I feel like my story rellies too much on inner thoughts and feelings, and it would be harder for me to communicate it through the third person or that it would look awkward.

[Anonymous No.20938496]

>>20938490
No problem. About the stories, start with Mogens and Mrs.Fonss since those are 'short' stories. Niels Lyhne is a straight up novel with some of the romance there having to do with affairs which I imagine you aren't interested in.

[Anonymous No.20938500]

>>20938465
it's close to a 10, just with some minor issues (a few that younger native speakers might make). what i mean by that is.. i don't think meaning is lost anywhere, and it's very clear.
i also think ESL stuff on scribblehub (i'm guessing??) is super common, so it won't upset anyone.

[Anonymous No.20938510]

>>20938496
>affairs which I imagine you aren't interested in.
Maybe not at this time because of the type of story I'm going for, but I plan to make future stories were love is not the central topic. I'd love to read a good example of love as a b plot.

[Anonymous No.20938513]

>>20938490
You should look into third person limited. You can still have your narrator conveying thoughts and feelings of your viewpoint character without being omniscient.

[Anonymous No.20938518]

>>20938485
the fact that you realized this is great. revision is important. go for it.

[Anonymous No.20938524]

>>20938513
first person is the norm for YA romance, and litRPG stuff. fanfic would be the same. there are several reasons for this, but most important are the expectations.
you aren't necessarily wrong or anything, but i wouldn't recommend this change.

[Anonymous No.20938549]

>want to write a self-indulgent historical yuri romance set in a time period I'm fascinated with
>worried about anachronisms and septic descendents of families from my historical setting whining about those anachronisms
>decide to just make a fantasy setting with a similar culture
>well if I'm going to do fantasy I might as well make a whole world
>if I'm going to make a world I might as well give it a history to draw stories from
>if I'm going to have a history I might as well construct some languages for names and cultures
>if I'm doing fantasy I'll have to include some fantastical elements so I better create some myths and legends
and that's how I spend all of my time not writing anything

[Anonymous No.20938600]

>>20938549
The way I cope is by making my story an exercise in storytelling and not worldbuilding.
There is a story (not a setting) you want to tell there: a self-indulgent yuri romance. Everything else in that idea is just backdrop.

I wanted to write a wish-fulfillment romance/power fantasy, so I made it a madoka fanfiction to just stop thinking about le setting and just get started with writing the fucking thing.
So anon, just fucking do it. No one will give a shit about epic inconsistencies, it just needs to be a story you like.

[Anonymous No.20938602]

>>20938518
>go for it.
I guess I should but I can't help feeling terrible about having to erase that other MC's entire life.

[Anonymous No.20938663]

what's your biggest writing sin?
>mine: being to gung-ho, submitting before sleeping over the book for a night and just hitting submit, thinking read ove rthe entire thing once is good enough
we either learn from our mistakes or we're forced to repeat them

[Anonymous No.20938664]

1.1k today
Alien perspective is kicking my butt.
I will do bretter tomorrow.
You can too.

[Anonymous No.20938677]

I'm about to start writing a story about a family of otters
The protagonist is a little girl who lives with a dad, mum and a little brother
Her dad is a sailor who fishes in the ocean
There will be a cute scene where the girl gets ready to go on a sailing trip with her father (who she loves) and she will stand on the pier ready with a raincoat and rain boots
What do you think is better, a story about an otter girl connecting with her father after he ends up in a wreck and gets badly hurt or a story where she's a bit older and rescues her dad who is stranded on an island with his crew
How do you avoid upsetting kids?

[Anonymous No.20938683]

>>20938485
Any time you do something over, you do it better. Do it anon. You have revealed the burden of truth to yourself now. Leaving it as it is would be knowingly producing something below its potential.

[Anonymous No.20938696]

>>20937923
>>20938137
Just wrote a new one on comedy and humor. Yes I know there is spelling errors ill look into them after tomorrow my 20 year class reunion is tomorrow and it will have to wait

Anyways here it is

https://adolfstalin.substack.com/p/a-discourse-on-humor-and-comedy

[Anonymous No.20938747]

>>20938399
>550 words
Holy fuck bros... I thought writing wish-fulfillment romance tripe would be a lot easier.
I'm not sold on the direction my story is taking:
On one hand, I feel like I need more "padding" before getting balls deep into romantic scenes, so I need to describe more what the MC feels.
On the other, I just want to move on to the good stuff and maybe MC doesn't need that much of a voice because now is more of a self-insert.
Originally, I wanted to make a more "complex and nuanced" story were she slowly falls for him and is unaware of MC's romantic intent, but I don't think I have the patience (or skill) to pull it off.
I got too cocky, bros.

Everything highlighted is the same as it was in the original pic.

[Anonymous No.20938777]

Rewrote my game draft and did more research into worldbuilding.
After reading about one of my inspirations in art and his complete integrity to his ideas, I think I know ehat to do.
>one of my ideas is linked to my sci fi epic I've always wanted to do, distant planets and lost colonies, from medieval to high tech, small scale to planetary. Fits like a glove.
>the other one is to do a completely isolated one from all my other ideas, full fantasy. My own take.
Frankly I know the tone I want, desolate and dirty, mud, shit, piss. A deconstruction of the setting. One is closer to hard sci fi/medieval which I enjoy more and the other is high fantasy, it's meh.

There's science fantasy but that feels like picking a middle road and not having balls.
>>20938602
>>20938485
Cute idea, I like it anon.
Kill your darlings is a thing although I agree, it's not comfortable. Is there any other way you can save this character or take elements from them? What's the source of your attachment to this character?

[Anonymous No.20938862]

>>20938485
This gives me an idea for a meta-fiction short story where an ex-novel-length-MC is coming to terms with being demoted to a short-story-MC.

[Anonymous No.20938896]

>his heart straining as he imagined the look of chagrin shared between them.
Look of chagrin really does not feel right at all, but I feel like chagrin describes the feeling better than 'an embarrassed look'. Does anyone have any suggestions of how to reword that?

[Anonymous No.20938922]

>>20938777
>Is there any other way you can save this character or take elements from them?
I'll see what I can do but I seem to have accidentally made her completely disposable for the lore and different plots to work on their own. She is important to the plot for sure but she isn't like other important characters, more of a bystander trying to survive and make the best she can for her friends until one of the villains gets her best friend killed as collateral damage.
I had given her a rival that is still crucial to like three really important plotlines so she'll survive this if I go through with it ironically enough.

>What's the source of your attachment to this character?
Mostly having came up with her, writing her for most of the time I've been developing this idea, the personality I gave her, and that I really like her model kit. Just usual writing an MC things.
If I had to point to one specific thing, it would be how she would inadvertedly become the heart of most groups she would join despite not fitting with the archetype.

[Anonymous No.20938927]

>>20937606
>I'm 40
thats embarassing

[Anonymous No.20938961]

>>20937449
>Normal students in normal families might say their goodbyes before heading to school, but throughout my life, ‘normal’ would be the farthest descriptor for me, and my family. You see, my parents were always away. When they weren’t working some managerial job in the mountains of Kellebrir, they were attending business meetings at a richer family’s mansion, which were really more like parties. I do have siblings, but they were studying at a far off prestigious boarding school an entire sea away. For the most part, I lived by myself. Alone. Just me, here. Like a wicked witch residing in an abandoned mansion.

Would opening with an imfodump as massive as this turn readers off? Especially now that everyone's attention span, including mine, have greatly diminished compared to our ancestors? How do you even write a good opening paragraph/scene?

[Anonymous No.20939003]

Reposting my goblin story because I'm glad I finally wrote something I like.

[Anonymous No.20939039]

>>20938961
It's not that egregious to be called an infodump but it's not very engaging either.
I prefer starting as close to the inciting incident of the story as possible. We can always find out about your characters loneliness, absent parents and overachieving siblings during the narrative.

[Anonymous No.20939061]

>>20938961
The issues with that opening has little to do with attention span it's just kind of clumsy. I think I remember the text this is from and this comes without any outside stimuli so it feels clumsy.

[Anonymous No.20939094]

>>20938961
I think one solution is to give the reader a sense that 'more is to come'. If you set up some kind of tension, something unresolved, something anticipated, then it creates a momentum leading into the next paragraph. Obvious advice, but it's helped me keep my writing focused.

>>20939061
The clumsiness I identified was from this:
>Normal students in normal families might say their goodbyes before heading to school, but throughout my life, ‘normal’ would be the farthest descriptor for me, and my family.
I think you need to make the implicit idea 'but I shared no goodbyes with mine' explicit for this to really make sense. (I'm also not sure about 'farthest descriptor'.)

I like the image of a wicked witch in an abandoned mansion, by the way. The idea of a child identifying with someone haggard and aged has some nice melancholy.

[Anonymous No.20939182]

how tired is the nested story reveal?
>it was all a story written by one of the characters

[Anonymous No.20939207]

I’m earningn about 8k a year from soobstoock, never thought I’d be here. I can probably hit 20k a year before end of december. Very happy about this. Thanks soobstoock anon.

[Anonymous No.20939227]

>>20939182
The tiredness of a device doesn't matter. When viewed at that level of abstraction, all story ideas have already been done a million times. But this particular twist has the same problem as 'it was all a dream': the story that the reader was invested in is suddenly revealed to be less meaningful than they thought it was; you're deflating their sense of engagement, and they suddenly have to put in the effort to reorient themselves within a different world to the one they'd grown accustomed to. You can pull it off, but I think you have to deal with that problem. One criterion of success might be how richly you can connect the details that the reader has absorbed in the story-within-the-story to the details of the meta-world: if a character in the story-within-the-story is portrayed as obnoxious and self-important, when in reality they're affable and self-effacing, then the reader's attention to the story-within-the-story is rewarded by an insight into the attitudes of that story's writer. Ultimately, the important questions for you will be questions not of concept but of execution, and because you've given no details about what you're actually planning it's therefore not really possible to give any substantial comments.

[Anonymous No.20939228]

>>20938927
Nobody asked

[Anonymous No.20939254]

>>20939207
Congrats, breh. Short stories or serial novels?

[Anonymous No.20939455]

Thoughts on using a pseudonym? If you write stuff you know might be controversial, it seems like a smart thing to do given how cancel-happy people are.

[Anonymous No.20939478]

>>20939254
Neither. I write about cooking.

[Anonymous No.20939479]

How do I write an action horror flick

[Anonymous No.20939483]

>>20939479
Write something you can realistically do.

[Anonymous No.20939486]

>>20939483
How do people write long stories? How do they drag out plot points?

[Anonymous No.20939495]

>>20939486
Start small go big.

[Anonymous No.20939654]

>>20939227
Okay yeah i agree of course. I meant to ask if the trope has that inherent flaw rather than how cliched it is.

This is what Im going for in still a very abstract form. Its a black comedy. Something bad happens to character A so A wants to take revenge on god. Then the story unfolds and is more or less resolved. Then its revealed that character B who played a growing role in the nested story was actually the writer of the story so far, and B had written the story to take an imaginary revenge on A because the bad thing that happened to A in the story had in actuality happened to B and it was the fault of A. So A in the nested story wanted to take revenge on god while in the realer world the writer of the story’s world, B, wanted to take revenge on A.

[Anonymous No.20939669]

Swear sometimes it feels like I'm shadow banned on here. Maybe I'll just post memes and bait like everyone else does to get some interaction.

[Anonymous No.20939721]

>>20939669
You’ll never be as shitposty as me

[Anonymous No.20939777]

>>20939207
How many articles a week do you shit out?

[Anonymous No.20939790]

I'm struggling to flesh out an identity for my story even though I've almost written all of it. What I had and started with almost a year ago no longer feels important or interesting to me, I feel like the central conflict and message/theme are weak, I feel like the stakes are unclear, I feel like I lose interesting characters and never replace them, I now struggle to see why anyone would care for the characters, I feel like the setting is weak and uninspired, and it was all like a flip of a switch, a couple of weeks ago I thought it was great.

[Anonymous No.20939807]

>>20937560
He reminds her of her father.

[Anonymous No.20939808]

>>20939777
Two like I said before.
You should try.

[Anonymous No.20939818]

>>20939808
2 article a week of cooking reviews?

[Anonymous No.20939947]

>>20939790
since you finished it, i would just move on to a new project

[Anonymous No.20939966]

Ernie Chiara @erniechiara · 9h
Fantasy that blows me away with a brand new, entirely unique magic system.
Magical martial arts schools.
Alt-period historical fantasy from non-western cultures. #MSWL

Ernie Chiara @erniechiara · 9h
Magical libraries, magical bookstores, magical book stalls w/ back alley portals to magical worlds. You get the picture.
NEVERWHERE or THE CITY WE BECAME set in Boston, where setting is like a character.
Original takes on generation ship stories #MSWL

More agent requests from https://mswishlist.com/

[Anonymous No.20940042]

>>20939818
Cooking recipes with review.
You don’t have to be steven king to make money from writing.

[Anonymous No.20940076]

>>20940042
>steven king

[Anonymous No.20940098]

>>20939966
He already rejected one of my queries for a historical fantasy haha. I find agent's #mswl to be fairly useless. I've queried some agents where I feel my work checks off every single one of their wants but still get rejected (maybe my query was shit idk), so clearly it's not just a matter of thinking you appeal to their "taste" if they still don'tlike your writing voice or whatever. I also find the longer and more specific their wish list the more likely they're a delusional sjw narcissist that I wouldn't want to be repped by anyway.

[Anonymous No.20940187]

>>20940076
Wheres your book income?

[Anonymous No.20940201]

>>20940187
I'm F Gardner you little shit

[Anonymous No.20940282]

Traveling from one place to another is boring and should be cut, imo.
I'm not talking about LOTR or "leaving los vegas" where the whole story is a travelogue; i'm talking about the guys are at headquarters and decide to go to the docks to investigate something. Traveling to the docks is boring. It's best handled by a change in scenes. In scene 1 they're at headquarters. Scene 2, they magically pop in at the docks.
But I'm going to write out the traveling in what I'm working on, atm. There's a little bit of exposition that I need to do plus I'm going to have the characters chat as they go which will develop character and give a little exposition too. Call me a rebel.

[Anonymous No.20940289]

>>20940201
I said income not outcome. You don’t make money at the price you sell books and buy ads.

[Anonymous No.20940290]

>>20940282
I'm just going to call you a faggot.

[Anonymous No.20940363]

>>20940282
They're called transition sentences. Use them

[Anonymous No.20940368]

>>20940363
do you have an example?

[Anonymous No.20940406]

https://www.theverge.com/c/23194235/ai-fiction-writing-amazon-kindle-sudowrite-jasper
Holy shit we're all fucked, aren't we?
Writers are going down hand in hand with the artists in the sinking boat when everyone now uses these AIs to write fiction for them on an increasing rate of — human% + AI% output. The next 20x better GPT model is knocking on our door.

I read a short story these days where the author envisioned writers would have to pay for people to read their fiction in the AI future. Because the only prediction anyone can make out of this is that the entire creative medium will be flooded with AI made generations https://archiveofourown.org/works/41112099
To live in a world where any form of human communication is subverted by a machine is no different to live in a asylum with your tulpas.

[Anonymous No.20940533]

>>20940406
love that short story, but don't worry, I've seen what AI can create
of course, you can tell it what to do, but it takes from pre-existing works, mashing it together into a slurry, but it'll never replace an actual designer or writer; or at least not now
https://youtu.be/MwAAH9tBoMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p6wQnWUJJA&t=157s&ab_channel=NetflixIsAJoke
they force-feed the machine and watch what it shits out, it is generic and sometimes hilarious

I'll still use AI generated art for my book covers because I am poor

[Anonymous No.20940546]

>>20940406
I think you’d have a better chance trying to rile up people at IC. Here in /wg/ most people don’t give a fuck. No one’s making any money nor even writes to care what a soon to be outdated GPT-3 AI can do (GPT-4’s just around the corner).
I welcome another 10,000 books a day published on amazon kindle. What difference does it makes when you’re already at zero.

[Anonymous No.20940558]

>>20940368
"The sun was setting by the time they reached the docks."

[Anonymous No.20940597]

>>20940406
It's fine. AI can't innovate. So if you write a generic fantasy book, it'll be at you, but if you write something like historical fiction, it can't do it without sounding rediculous. I tried one, and suddenly George Washington was shooting fireballs against John Locke. Besides being pretty cool sounding, it just turned hilarious.

[Anonymous No.20940867]

>>20940533
yeah bro even the neflix by bots thing is all written by a real person. AI isn't anywhere near being able to do that.

[Anonymous No.20940880]

How do you turn a plot point into a chapter?

[Anonymous No.20940884]

was about 52k words into my crime thriller, writing at a pace of 2k words a day. Felt like I was in a good groove. Felt like interesting scenes were flowing decently, the narrative was starting to come together. Took a break to focus on job hunting. I've now come back to working on the book again, feel so insanely sluggish. Writing each scene feels like I'm pulling my own teeth. The narrative is like mush in my hands. I fucking hate the main character now / she doesn't sound like what i thought she would sound like. Constantly thinking the whole thing is shit and that I should just scrap it / possibly quit writing altogether. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.20940888]

>>20939669
Add a picture to your post and the likelihood of a response increases

[Anonymous No.20940900]

Tips on how to write a good ambiguous ending? I like it when it's unclear what happens, gives you more food to think on. But I want it to be a satisfying end. One book I remember that did it well had it so that the protagonist resolves his conflict before the ending, and the ending is just a question of whether he dies or not: regardless of what happens, he still resolves his quest and that's why I like it.
But I'm a retard and I need more examples to properly deliver such an ending, thanks in advance

[Anonymous No.20940916]

>>20940900
Read more

[Anonymous No.20940918]

>>20940884
>main character
>she
Stopped reading right there. Might be worthwhile to stop and polish your work/get the voice right so you actually like it.

[Anonymous No.20940925]

>>20940916
Good point

[Anonymous No.20940938]

>>20940918
i have 2 other pov characters that are men, but felt like it would be cool to have a girl running from them so she seems more vulnerable. and also she's a thief who can sneak into small spaces
>Might be worthwhile to stop and polish your work/get the voice right so you actually like it.
ty for the advice. I have a fear that if i start polishing it now, before i have a first draft down, i will never finish it. i also hate editing and it takes me forever.

[Anonymous No.20940949]

>>20940938
>i also hate editing and it takes me forever.
Bad news for you then because writing is entirely editing. Unless you are a supremely gifted storyteller, you are going to have to spend most of your energy refining your work into something worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.20940956]

Any fantasy-appropriate swear words? "Fuck" and "shit" seems kind of immersion breaking and modernist.

[Anonymous No.20940965]

>>20940956
Feck and shite
Generally British/cockney sounds fantasy

[Anonymous No.20940970]

>>20940888
NTA, but testing this out.

here is my clam script again if anyone wants to read it. it's an adult cartoon about a family of clams that runs a clam chowder shop. pic related is a charming visual of the characters. this script had the honor of losing an animation screenwriting contest recently.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y4XL20IdUg2Su0bd-qV2zFn_2dsLsMaT/view?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.20940993]

>>20940949
yeah, i totally get that. i just worry that i will lose my already very low momentum if i start editing it before the 1st draft is over. it seems like all the advice i usually read is to get the 1st draft done, then polish later. but again i appreciate the advice. in the past, though, when i brainstorm or outline (e.g. figure out the character's voice) before writing, i end up outlining to death and just give up on the idea before i even start writing

[Anonymous No.20941018]

>>20940993
Definitely try to get that first draft done before anything else, but if you start seeing problems or having ideas for refinements of your draft then at least write them down or annotate them in some way before you write yourself 200 pages deep on a draft that isn't working.
Ultimately the balance of editing vs writing that works for you is something you'll need to discover by trial and error.

[Anonymous No.20941027]

>>20940970
am I supposed to hate every single character? because I do

[Anonymous No.20941065]

>>20938360
Moby Dick's original title was "The Whale" when it was first published in Britain. However they changed it due to another book with a similar title being published at the time.

[Anonymous No.20941066]

>>20940970
>anthropomorphic ocean creatures
>2 characters have the exact same name as Spongebob characters
>work in the food industry

[Anonymous No.20941095]

>>20940956
you could derive it from something in your fantasy world

[Anonymous No.20941128]

>>20940956
frag, heck, lek mick

[Anonymous No.20941132]

>>20941027
they're supposed to be unlikable yes
>>20941066
haha i guess i should change some of the names

[Anonymous No.20941135]

>>20940884
>writing at a pace of 2 words a day
>took a break to focus on job hunting
>Constantly thinking the whole thing is shit and that I should just scrap it
lol me

[Anonymous No.20941137]

>>20940970
i don't want to assume too much, but i have several issues with it.
what is your inspiration? why clams?

[Anonymous No.20941190]

>>20941132
I can figure why your script got rejected
I hate the characters - no, not 'hate'- that is a strong word which means I feel something for them, the better word would be 'I don't care' about those characters
after two pages I lost the interest to read further
even worse, they sound like normal people, why make them clams when you don't do anything creative with it
>there was something in the end about giving birth and chowder, but I didn't really bother
the only reason they're clams is that you thought 'Happy like a clam' sounds like a great story-pitch! I'll just make them clams! Get it? It's funny!

[Anonymous No.20941253]

>/wg/ podcast became a Magic The Gathering podcast
Tumbling down.

[Anonymous No.20941275]

>>20941137
>i have several issues with it.
I appreciate any feedback.
>what is your inspiration? why clams?
I thought it would be funny to have a show called happy as a clam that was about depressed clams / with depressing subject matter
>>20941190
To be fair, there is only one clam character in the first two pages. The clam stuff comes more into play after the cold open. If you didn't feel anything for the characters thats a problem, but is it just because the mc is a degenerate gambler / asshole? I thought that was funny. Maybe it's just not to your taste. But thank you for your feedback

[Anonymous No.20941302]

>>20940289
>implying that’s actually F Gardner

[Anonymous No.20941339]

Inspired by a sick anon who actually typed this a while ago (and those Gardner books which I will not be reading) What do you think?

Call of the E-Girl

A fan had once privately offered her $10,000 to get a particular tattoo, between the Venus dimples. She seriously considered it, but said it was a little extreme. He upped it to $20,000. I get to pick the tattoo, she texted him. He said no-go. Oh, well what did you have in mind then? $20,000 is an awful lot, but I supposed I could just get it removed, right? He texted her that it was okay having it removed later. She made him show her a picture of the tattoo he had in mind. No. Not that one. She insisted. She knew what sort of fan was now. He upped it to $50,000. She knew he knew she had
ust broken up with her boyfriend. But what he didn’t know is how opposed she was to this. The implications of this tattoo would drive away even more fans than when she started doing porn. Of course she attracted a whole new set of porn simps aching to see more of her. This move, this tattoo, would attract the complete wrong sort she did not want to pressure her. The wealthy simp was encouraged by the long pause, but Belle insisted. No Queen of Spades tattoos. He texted back why? but she blocked him. Passing up fifty thousand dollars for all that career complicating/ending grief. Her head was spinning. Not my thing simp, she said to her bust of Alexander the Great.
Four months later Belle got another request from a simp for an even more money than that. $240,000. For what though? She was afraid it was the interracial simp again, but had to ask. Just to meet. No touching involved. In fact I ask that you come armed. I won’t be armed though. Swear it. Well this certainly does’t sound like the cuck simp, but something more on the dangerous side. Are you mental she asked him? Well, yeah a little. But not trying to harm you. I love you, but I hate this world and I’m giving you my savings in exchange for killing me off. I’ll leave a suicide note and no one will even question you. You. Are. Seriously. Deranged! Was her reply. No, he continued to text, I just have domination fetish and I want it to be the last thrill of my life. Not some mundane jump off a building kinda thing. You’d get the thrill too, but suffer none of the consequences. C’mon I have a couple of hundred more to add to it even. I could get more if I sold some of my furniture maybe. Belle thought long and hard about this and determined to meet him, but only to try and talk him out of it.

[Anonymous No.20941347]

Before picking songs instead of simple stock tones for the alarm, waking up used to feel like rising from the grave—hot, muddy earth down below; cold, heavy air right above pushing me down into the depths of death once more, and not wanting to be in this world again—but ever since then, nevermore: I smile, I am pleased waking up; I am lured into coming back to life as though angels were taking me to heaven; I simply lie in bed, letting myself be slowly infused with melodies, words, voices I am fond of.

What do you think of this?

[Anonymous No.20941382]

>>20941339
>those Gardner books which I will not be reading

Your loss desu

[Anonymous No.20941407]

>>20941382
Passages here and there aren't interesting me. Though I feel like I'm making a parody here.

[Anonymous No.20941456]

>>20940884
>>20940880
How do you write a 52k word narrative? Do you have like 26 plot points?

[Anonymous No.20941461]

>>20939207
Can you explain how? idk what you've said before, but you just write 2 cooking articles a week?
would love to hear about the process from 0-8k, or if you could point us to some advice. thanks

[Anonymous No.20941473]

>>20941456
>How do you write a 52k word narrative? Do you have like 26 plot points?
i'm planning to have a 100k word first draft, so 52k is roughly half way through, not a full narrative. i don't really think in terms of plot points so idk how to answer that

[Anonymous No.20941475]

>>20941461
It’s pretty straight forward, I write 2 articles a week and people pay me for my writing. Just shoving this money into my retirement.
If you have specific questions I’d be happy to answer them.

[Anonymous No.20941491]

>>20941475
how is it monetized? are you paid through substack without having to do anything extra? or do you have a patreon or something? how long did it take you to build up to 8k a year? Also were you already interested in cooking and it just happened to be lucrative, or did you do research into profitable article subjects?

[Anonymous No.20941498]

>>20941347
What do you think of that paragraph, sweet anons? (Testing the veracity of the claim stating a picture attached increases the probability of visibility and response)

[Anonymous No.20941595]

>>20941382
This makes me wonder if the people who bitch about F Gardner are all just jews who’re desperately trying to shut him down.

[Anonymous No.20941599]

>>20941339
It's kinda bland unless something really unexpected happens later.

[Anonymous No.20941608]

>>20941599
Ah yeah. Well If I get another spurt the plot is about more and more simps asking her to kill them.
What would a Gardner novel do?

[Anonymous No.20941654]

>>20941491
Took me like 7 months.
It’s just through substack.

[Anonymous No.20941662]

>>20941608
Some Deus Ex Machina twist.

[Anonymous No.20941664]

>>20941595
Gardner is a jew retard.

[Anonymous No.20941668]

>>20941664

[Anonymous No.20941672]

>>20941668
Nobody's buying Frank, just like your books.

[Anonymous No.20941675]

>>20941672
I don’t read Faggot Gardner’s books. I just like the memes.

[Anonymous No.20941680]

>>20941675
Yeah, nobody does Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20941716]

Stop using singular 'they'. That is an order.

[Anonymous No.20941738]

>>20941716
I don't have a single instance of this in my current project but because this is the 4th time I've seen you post this I'm adding in 4 singular they just to spite you.

[Anonymous No.20941740]

>>20941738
Well that's quite petty. You had a good thing going and you're gonna ruin it?

[Anonymous No.20941744]

>>20941675
I’ve read a couple of them. Call of the Arcade was fun. I get the appeal.

[Anonymous No.20941781]

>>20941662
Ugh. I can do better. And I don't even like horror.

I think what I'm putting together is just macabre humor. Unless I take it in some whiplash direction

[Anonymous No.20941797]

>>20941744
>the appeal
>fun
Ok Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20941800]

>>20941781
Gardner doesn’t really have humor in his books so idk. From the ones I read they just felt like really schizophrenic goosebump type books. The ones I read were Call of the Crocodile, Call of the Arcade and Jigoku. Call of the Crocodile was probably the weakest of the three.

[Anonymous No.20941817]

>>20941800
>Gardner doesn’t have humor in his books.

He does. Just not intentionally. Take this screencap summarizing the opening of CotC for an example.

[Anonymous No.20941842]

>>20941800
>>20941817
Frank if you need to spam do it in your discords.

[Anonymous No.20941851]

>>20941817
That’s all out of context. I read Call of the Crocodile and it read like any Stephen King book. It was fine. Just extremely twist heavy.

[Anonymous No.20941862]

>>20941339
Okay, to flesh out for later I have this spec.


Arrangements are made. They meet. Belle still trying to talk him out of it. He says some really rank shit to get her angry, she does’t fall for it at first but he continues. Takes her gun cocks it and hands it back. Resumes getting her riled up. Finally he pulls a weapon on her and she fires.
She is left with the moral dilemma of either confessing to the whole thing or covering it over as a suicide. She sticks to the plan.

Another simp texts her to do the same. For him WTF? She thinks. This guy turns out to be nasty guy, seemingly a hitman sort, looking to let an innocent redeem his soul. So he’s a born again catholic maybe. Smokes his ass

Another texts. This one’s a “philosophical” sort. An antinatalist who explains himself, gets condescending and bores Belle so much she just shoots him. But next to the suicide note is a parcel for her

The interracial simp spots her as she heads home and makes one more attempt to get her to do his tattoo request. Still in no mood for this she refuses. Upset he claims to have been tailing her as she whores herself out at these various places. Mistakenly believing she’s be turning tricks. Angered and hardened, we hear a bell go off in her head. She smiles in her dopey sexy way and indicates him to follow her down an alleyway. Insulting her now, because he doesn’t want a quickie from her, he only wants her to suck off BBC, she shoots him before he can even say the last “C”

So what do you think so far?

[Anonymous No.20941864]

>>20941851
Enough Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20941925]

>>20941851
I liked Jigoku because it didn’t rely as much on the twist thing. I understand F Gardner likes doing twists but he should make more books like Jigoku. The twists in Call of the Crocodile felt exhausting by the end. Good but it got to the point of being absurd. It was also really long. Maybe it’s just by own personal taste but I definitely thought Jigoku was better than Call of the Crocodile by a large margin.

[Anonymous No.20941930]

>>20941925
This review was submitted by F Gardner, like they all are.

[Anonymous No.20941942]

>>20941925
Jigoku was literally edgelord pokemon fanfiction. That being said it was a blast to read.

[Anonymous No.20941945]

>>20941942
Thanks for your input yet again Frank.

[Anonymous No.20941946]

I forgot how to write. Has this happened to you, and have you been able to fix it?

[Anonymous No.20941959]

>>20937601
If you think in these terms you are not going to write anything worthwhile. A single scene can take up an entire book or a book can contain hundreds. There's no rule for how long should one event or plot point as you said should be.

[Anonymous No.20941975]

>>20941946
Yeahman, just go to /x/ and copy+paste the most inane schizo garbage you can find.

t. F Gardner

[Anonymous No.20941982]

Kimberly Fernando - Open to Queries September 1st @books4kimberly · 5d
Military sci/fi – yes, that’s right, I enjoy military sci/fi – would love to see it. (Planetside, The Misfit Soldier, as recent examples). #MSWL

hmm. what i'm working on now has military sf elements. if you count the 'walking dead' as military

[Anonymous No.20941998]

>>20941347
>>20941347
Terrible, your first sentence, the topic sentence gets completely forgotten. I'm still wondering what I should do before I pick a song for an alarm

[Anonymous No.20942029]

>>20941945
Unironically I wish I could become the next F. Gardner. The fact that Call of the Crocodile is even appearing all of Goodreads now astounds me.

[Anonymous No.20942032]

>>20942029
*All over

How the fuck does this site not have an edit option?

[Anonymous No.20942034]

>>20942029
Nobody is jealous Frank, grow up.

[Anonymous No.20942039]

>>20942032
This is the bastard stepchild board. The other boards get more attention and care

[Anonymous No.20942041]

>>20942032
it's "bare metal."

[Anonymous No.20942056]

>>20942029
I was talking about this before in another thread. The Goodreads algorithm shills F Gardner. Either that or this is promotion on their end. Horror’s Call will appear for pretty much any horror book you look up as the top suggested books. Thousands are adding F Gardner’s books on a daily basis to their “want to read” lists. Unreal. I blame Reddit for making Gardner go mainstream.

[Anonymous No.20942064]

Argh! I have stories I want to write but there's this old one I put on the back burner years ago that begs for me to write it! To set it free! To let me finally be at peace and move on from one small part of my backlog!

What do I do, bros? What do I do!?

[Anonymous No.20942065]

>>20942056
>Gardner buys 4chan ads for years
>Reddit eventually gets curious
>It bleeds over onto Goodreads

It’s not rocket science, mate.

[Anonymous No.20942067]

>>20942056
Get a fucking life Frank.

[Anonymous No.20942080]

>>20942056
>it’s real

No fucking way. Our guy has made it.

[Anonymous No.20942094]

>>20942056
This honestly inspires me. Gardner seemed to achieve his success so easily. We’re all gonna make it bros.

[Anonymous No.20942121]

>>20942080
>>20942094
Isn't it past your bedtime Gardner?

[Anonymous No.20942124]

>>20942064
Get off 4chan and write you stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.20942131]

>>20942056
Wild.

[Anonymous No.20942154]

>>20942056
What the actual fuck? I just looked up Dracula and The Shining. F. Gardner’s books are there.

[Anonymous No.20942166]

>>20942154
It’s not a conspiracy. Call of the Crocodile is popular.

[Anonymous No.20942171]

I finished another short story. Shorter and better than my last one I think. I put so much more effort into my cadence but not sure if will serve its purpose. Eventually need to submit to a magazine that I can put on my resume but I do respect &amp enough to submit to it.

[Anonymous No.20942202]

>>20942154
>>20942166
Nobody likes your books but you Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20942210]

If you niggers keep talking about CotC I'm going to have to read it.

[Anonymous No.20942215]

>>20942210
Worth it just to see how weird it is. I’m considering going through the rest of Gardner’s series. I hope the rest are just as trippy.

[Anonymous No.20942222]

>>20942210
>>20942215
Read them before you publish next time, Frankie.

[Anonymous No.20942292]

Could someone give me a writing prompt? I'm new to writing and looking to practice.

[Anonymous No.20942293]

>>20942215
They sure are. Horror’s Call is one of my favorite indie series. It’s just so off the rails.

[Anonymous No.20942309]

>>20942293
Take a break Gardner, you're overtaxing your heart.

[Anonymous No.20942314]

>>20942222
Why would you want to jeopardize his success? I didn't know /lit/ was full of crabs.

[Anonymous No.20942319]

>>20942314
What success are you referring to Frank? Post those sales numbers.

[Anonymous No.20942332]

Can we stop talking about Gardner and actually talk about our writing please?

[Anonymous No.20942339]

>>20942056
I still can’t wrap my head around this. More people read F Gardner’s books than I thought. This is an enormous amount of exposure.

[Anonymous No.20942348]

>>20942339
It doesn’t really surprise me. There are constant posts about Call of the Crocodile and that book is 2 years old.
>>20942332
Fine. Post yours then. Take the initiative and start talking about it. I’ve already posted mine and barely got any feedback.

[Anonymous No.20942364]

>>20942056
Woah. I legitimately thought this was a joke. I don’t even have an account and I’m seeing Gardner books for my recommendations. Why is F Gardner being so heavily recommended? It’s fucking all over Goodreads.

[Anonymous No.20942366]

>>20942332
>>20942339
>>20942348
No I don't think you can Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20942376]

>>20942332
Yeah I was mentioning cadence earlier. I have been trying to flow from emphasis to de-emphasis in my words, playing with substitutions to give some rhetorical style to my sentences, trying to end on the keywords more often. I do try to stick with my colloquial way of speech its just that when Im serious I try to transcend it.
One of these days my prose will be good.

[Anonymous No.20942378]

>>20942056
So this is what “making it” looks like? For real though. This means we’ve barely seen the beginning of Call of the Crocodile threads. Normies are going to figure out that book originally came from here.

[Anonymous No.20942380]

>>20942364
>>20942378
You're drunk Frank, sleep it off.

[Anonymous No.20942418]

I realize that the way I can never finish most of what I write is because I want too much complexity. I don't have the time, energy, or willpower to practice Flaubertian diligence and sit there and refine what I have like a precision machine.

So I've started writing simpler stories just to amuse myself and have found I can complete them and that other people can get a kick out of them too.

No need to be so self-serious and pious about it. Just have fun. Fiction is supposed to be entertainment.

[Anonymous No.20942442]

>>20942292
Grey day, barren field, and bare tree; he looks back and sees the approaching storm. Where shall he shelter?

[Anonymous No.20942468]

>>20938434
Don't. Not because you will die of cringe. Rather, it's difficult to edit your work and you will miss many mistakes. Get someone else to edit it for you. If you can't, then take care to be extra meticulous when editing yourself. Read your work as if you know nothing about it.

[Anonymous No.20942487]

How do I write more? I don't mean how to I force myself to sit down and write. Rather, how do I write longer passages? How do I get the most text out of an idea? Everything I write just feels so short. I can't even pad things out with pointless filler. I'm a minimalist by nature, I just can't bloat things.

[Anonymous No.20942493]

>>20942332
I've either found the missing element that'll make a story I've had ruminating for a year finally click, or I'm just procrastinating by coming up with an excuse to spend time researching imperial China.

[Anonymous No.20942507]

>>20942487
I would love to know the same, anon. I struggle to understand how others can make a scene go on for so long.

[Anonymous No.20942511]

>>20941998
I am sorry your memory is nonexistent and your brain, dead, anon. The idea is literally repeated thrice:
>Before picking songs...
>but ever since then...
>infused with melodies...
The sentence is also expressive rather than imperative: it is not saying you should do something before picking a song, but talking about the narrator's habits.
It is so obvious I cannot help but think you are mentally challenged. Or if you were trolling, why make it so obvious? And if you did not even read it to begin with, why post? I am bafflement incarnate, confusion be my name.

[Anonymous No.20942512]

>>20942507
>I struggle to understand how others can make a scene go on for so long.
They suck and they don't care.

[Anonymous No.20942524]

>>20942487
You sound sarcastic, but in case you are serious: the Topics of Invention taught in Rhetoric teach you a few ways to look at something and expand it.

[Anonymous No.20942530]

>>20942339
I’ve been reading them for a while. Most anons here have probably at least read Call of the Crocodile.

[Anonymous No.20942544]

>>20937449
Short story (The White Sheep)

Chapter 1:
Ralph stands on the stage, hands shaking, heart pounding. Hundreds of eyes watching him. His first time at toastmasters to face his social anxiety and overcome it, and it was his turn to give an impromptu speech.

“I…I-uh, I’m here to overcome my social anxiety. I’m 29 years old and I just want to learn how to talk. Please be patient for I am but an infant. Coming here today wasn’t exactly my idea of fun, believe me. During my drive, my palms were sweating, and I was having racing thoughts like ‘What sort of people would be here? Will they be nice?
All my life I’ve had anxiety in group situations. Although I recognise it as an issue, I know that others have it far worse than me, and yet they’ve overcome this issue. There’s no excuse for me to not overcome it too. But now, ladies and gentlemen, that’s enough from me – I don’t want to bore you here today, so I will stop talking for both my sake and yours. Thank you for listening and giving me your undivided attention. I didn’t die, I’m still alive. Thank you.”

A few cheers from the crowd, some clapping. Ralph made his way off the stage. He didn’t feel so bad after all. He even thought to himself ‘I could easily go back up there and give another speech, that was actually fun!’

On his way out, a voice called out to him. “Hey, wait, you there!”
Ralph turned. A tall man in an overcoat, approached him, smiling. “Good on you! You did well up there, it’s great to see you facing your fears!”
“Thanks”, Ralph said. “I’ve realised I have to do something about my difficulties in social situations, and I don’t want to be held back anymore.”
“I absolutely understand. Listen, you seem like an intelligent young man, and I want to invite you to a regular meeting that I have at my place every week. We’re always looking for people like you with fresh, original ideas. People who think outside the box. Individuals like you are a dime a dozen. Hardly come across fuckers like you nowadays. Everyone’s too goddamn politically correct nowadays. You’re a breath of fresh air kid. I’d love for you to come along and check it out. I mean if you decide it ain’t your cup of tea, then that’s fine, don’t have to come back again. I mean at the very least, it will expose to you to another social setting, and that’s good for you. In fact, I can even get you to make a speech to continue with overcoming your social anxiety. There’s something different about you, lad. If you can fully overcome this anxiety of yours, you’re gonna be unstoppable. People notice you, man. They listen to you. What you say has an impact. The world’s a piece of shit at the moment, but people like you can change that. What do you say? Next week at my house, 6.30pm, 17 Westchester court. Meeting starts at 7, but you should join us for dinner at 6.30.”

[Anonymous No.20942548]

I want to write what could be described as a "Visual Novel Route", aka, an entertaining wish fulfillment, self-insert romance. A "boy meets girl" story, as Vonnegut puts it, with some super hero/anime shit thrown in for good measure.

I want this story to be as "fast and pretty" as possible: I need to make it very easy to get into while at the same time conveying enough information to make people feel something.
Sometimes I feel I write too much and the story moves at a snail's pace, sometimes I feel I write too little and the story has no weight.

TL;DR
>Having a hard time grabbing the reader's attention, what do
>Should I leave this as is and move on to the next part?

[Anonymous No.20942551]

>>20942530
Call of the Crocodile is actually pretty creepy. I like how it gets into the idea of the world not being real.

[Anonymous No.20942567]

>>20942551
I feel like F Gardner is probably one of those writers like Lovecraft who peeked through the veil to the other side. Call of the Crocodile was surprisingly esoteric in content.

[Anonymous No.20942569]

>>20942548
I can smell the anime girl. I bet she looks like this. Mine is also shit.

[Anonymous No.20942582]

Haha isn't crazy how the avatarfagging janny hasn't posted today but there's a ton of Gardner spam? Weird right? Haha.

[Anonymous No.20942584]

>>20942487
>>20942511
>>20942524
For example, in this paragraph here I use the topics of Antecedent/Consequent, Comparison, Contraries/Contradictories, and Subject/Adjunct.

[Anonymous No.20942586]

>>20942569
Did you rike it?

[Anonymous No.20942592]

>>20942582
Sounds like every day. Welcome to /lit./

[Anonymous No.20942601]

>>20942586
No I prefer green haired girls.

[Anonymous No.20942607]

>>20942592
Fuck off janny.

[Anonymous No.20942619]

>>20942544
Ralph literally didn't say anything to give the kind of impression the tall man had of him lol. He simply confessed his anxiety, and that's it.

[Anonymous No.20942648]

>>20942619
He's gonna scam him, ain't he?

[Anonymous No.20942741]

Alright fellas, bike guy here, is this chapter segment too heavy on the description? The novel so far is relatively minimalistic - punchy dialogue following by staccato descriptive pose. Here I let the descriptions flow a bit more freely. Would this bore you?

Here's the full chapter v
>https://pastebin.com/4D3dypWF

[Anonymous No.20942793]

>>20942741
>Would this bore you?
already has m8

[Anonymous No.20942806]

>>20942793
kk cool. I'm gonna cut the word count (descriptions) by like 30-40% in the next draft, I think that'll improve pacing and hopefully fix the slow, boring parts

[Anonymous No.20942823]

I just released a niche book, and the sales have been brisk. Moving on to a novel next. wgmi.

[Anonymous No.20942837]

>>20942806
>I think that'll improve pacing and hopefully fix the slow, boring parts
if you say so

[Anonymous No.20942842]

>>20942823
Is it humblesness or shame that prevents you from linking your book?

[Anonymous No.20942963]

>>20942842
Humbleness, in a certain sense. Nearly all of the poems in the collection have been published in magazines before, so I know the content's good. But mainly, it's the fact that anons aren't generally receptive to the works produced by other /lit/izens.

[Anonymous No.20942982]

>>20942963
>Humbleness
>I know they're good
is your poetry funny too

[Anonymous No.20942989]

>>20942982
It's a book of humorous poetry, so I hope so.

[Anonymous No.20942992]

>>20942989
where'd all your bravado go champ?

[Anonymous No.20942995]

>>20942982
Based and F Gardnerpilled.

[Anonymous No.20943006]

>>20942995
pipe down janny humans are talking

[Anonymous No.20943076]

>>20942963
We've haven't seen a completed manuscript in a while yet. Most books here are shill dumps. Some guy randomly has a completed book to sell to the rest of us. We've lost the slow burn of random pages and excerpts posted here. Everyone else shits on it, but it gets done and we all oddly cheer.

[Anonymous No.20943080]

>>20943076
What do you mean? F Gardner alone has like a dozen books. You can check the pastebin and see all the others too. There have been plenty.

[Anonymous No.20943089]

>>20943080
you've beenat it for like 12 hours give it a rest

[Anonymous No.20943126]

>>20943080
The only F. Gardner book I even know of is Call of the Crocodile.

[Anonymous No.20943322]

>>20942619
The man recognised that Ralph had severe anxiety, yet despite his anxiety he still stood up to give the speech, and he complimented Ralph for it. I agree, I guess I should include more information about why the man thought of Ralph the way he did.

[Anonymous No.20943324]

>>20943080

[Anonymous No.20943354]

What do I need to do to get my confidence as a writer back? Without an echo chamber of praise in my daily life my ego has fallen apart taking everything important with it

[Anonymous No.20943538]

I finished my second manuscript, edited it and have now begun sending it out.
May God have mercy on me. I am but a humble supplicant.

[Anonymous No.20943555]

>>20937524

Write on royal for now. It’s the best option out there for fiction.

Eventually you can move into either Kobo WR or Kindle DP, or get traditionally published if you’re not based enough.

[Anonymous No.20943586]

>>20941473
what does the first 2k of your narrative include? Is it entertaining?

[Anonymous No.20943588]

How much should I charge for my erotica?

[Anonymous No.20943751]

>>20943354
Lower your expectations of your own work, stop having so high an opinion of others, and learn critical thinking so you know when the criticism seems valid.

>>20943588
Cheap enough for horny teens to buy it, costly enough for horny women to believe it has value for being expensive (principle of scarcity).

[Anonymous No.20943791]

>>20943751
$6 for a 2000 word short story?

[Anonymous No.20943982]

>>20942544
On his way back home, Ralph reflected on the strange meeting with the tall man. What did he mean that he was different, that he could change the world? Surely not him, not little Ralph who had difficulty even looking people in the eyes.


The next day Ralph decided he was going to fast the next few days. He was a deeply religious man, a Christian. He believed fasting to be an important tool for many circumstances, especially during times when he needed direction from God for his walk.
He kneeled down on the floor of his room, and prayed to God:

Dear Heavenly Father,

I don’t know what you want for me in my life. Lead me in the right path, whatever that path may be. I pray for my meeting at that man’s house tonight. Let it be a life-changing event.

In Jesus’ Name I pray,

Amen.

[Anonymous No.20943985]

>>20943982
Chapter 2

It was the third day of the fast, and Ralph was now very hungry. He had never fasted for more than 2 days. He sipped on his snake juice – water mixed with salt and potassium.
Tonight, was also the night of the meeting. He was starting to regret still fasting because he felt that his head would be cleared if he just had a snack, a banana, anything.
Oh well, I’ll stick it out, I’m sure it will be okay, I’ll just be a bit hungry that’s all, he thought.

His phone rang. He glanced at it and saw that it was Derek. The guy had been bugging him lately. Ralph didn’t consider him much of a friend, but a pisshead, so much so that his most recent meeting with Derek had convinced him that he needed to stop drinking. Ralph decided that alcohol had too much potential to lead him away from God, and into degeneracy. He answered the phone. ‘What’s up Derek?’

Hey man, what’s happening? I’m at Monkey Joe’s, having a brew, wondering if you wanted to join me.
Fuck me Ralph thought, is that all he does? ‘Nah man, I’ve got a few things I gotta do today, and besides I’ve decided to stop drinking for a while.’ He thought about saying that they should meet another time, but then decided he didn’t want to hang out with Derek anymore. Nothing personal, just can’t be wasting life drinking and chasing girls. Those days were over now.

‘sorry mate, won’t be able to go out for a while. Alright I’m going to have to get going. You have a nice day.’

He hung up, and went out on to his balcony. He was almost ready. Ralph felt nervous, he was anticipating the meeting. He remembered what his therapist had said about being in the present, not focusing on the future. It’s normal once there to be a little anxious, but he needed to stop with the anticipation. Just let it be, it will be fine.
The tall man answered the door almost immediately after Ralph had pressed the door bell. He was beaming. ‘Glad you could make it, come on in!’

It suddenly occurred to Ralph that he didn’t even know this man’s name. He was entering a complete stranger’s house. This was the sort of thing that you see in horror movies. A guy gets invited to a stranger’s house, seems normal, charming even, and suddenly you’re locked up in a dungeon. ‘No, that’s just in movies’, Ralph thought. ‘I’m sure it will be okay.’

He entered a large, well-lit room, a chandelier hanging high above. The room was packed with people, and anxiety filled him. ‘I thought this was just going to be a little – ‘
‘Everyone, this is Ralph! the tall man interrupted. ‘I’ve invited him along today to our meeting, and I’d like you to all make him feel welcome. Ralph felt incredibly awkward, and anxious. He didn’t know anyone in this room, didn’t even know the host’s name.
He turned to the tall man. Sorry, I never actually got your name.
‘Ronald’, the man answered, ‘but you can just call me Ron, that’s what everyone calls me.’
Have a seat. Want a drink?
Just some water thanks, Ralph said.

[Anonymous No.20943988]

>>20943985
Ralph sat next to a man who looked like nothing in the world could scare him.
“How you doin?”, the man asked Ralph as he took a seat next to him.
“I’m okay I guess, nervous as hell before I got here, but feeling a little better now.”
The man smiled at him.
“I think Ron’s right about you.”
“What do you mean?” Ralph asked.

Ron returned to the room, and gave Ralph a bottle of water.
“Okay everyone, I promised my new friend Ralph that I would get him to make a speech tonight to help with his social anxiety.” He glanced over at Ralph, who felt like a deer caught in the headlights. Ron grinned.
“C’mon up, mate.”
Ralph went to the front. He had no fucking idea what he was going to say, but he realised there was no point being worried now. He’d already committed.

Hello everyone. The truth is I don’t really know why I’m here tonight. I guess I wanted to overcome my social anxiety, which I know is irrational. I’ve never liked to be in the spotlight, I guess, but I also don’t want to be afraid of people anymore. I’ve been afraid for long enough.

What’s your ideal view on how the world should be? Ron interjected.
What do you mean?, Ralph asked, bewildered. Can you be more specific?
No, Ron said. This is an impromptu speech Ralph, I want you to speak your mind. Stop overthinking it. Just tell me how you think the world should be!

Ralph was afraid now, not because of giving a speech in front of complete strangers, but the fact that the host could be nutter.
'I think we should love one another. Be nice to everyone. Do as you would like done to you. Don’t do any harm to others. Be generous. That’s my view on the world. Don’t be selfish. Be respectful to everyone. Don’t judge others.'

[Anonymous No.20944001]

>>20943791
That depends on the market and you.

>>20943982
Ah yes, what better way to think clearly than starving yourself?

[Anonymous No.20944011]

>>20944001
Fasting does actually have cognitive benefits though because your body produces ketones which the brain uses as fuel. Ketones are a more efficient form of energy for the brain than glucose.
Ralph knows what he's doing.

[Anonymous No.20944073]

>>20944011
I just looked it up and it seems to be true as far as experiments with animals go. But it seems low energy and fatigue, besides distracting hunger, are side effects: these things hinder cognitive abilities, so I do not think fasting is good for cognitive benefits in the short term.
But then again, fasting was forced on me almost almost all my childhood. Pangs of hunger and harrassment from classmates, they are not fond memories, though I indeed was the smartest kid.

[Anonymous No.20944111]

Hell-Anon here. I'm rewriting my story from the beginning, and I'm happier with the way it's all going. This general has really gone to shit but some of you are okay.

[Anonymous No.20944119]

>>20944111
Do your best.

[Anonymous No.20944137]

>>20944011
>Ketones are a more efficient form of energy for the brain than glucose.
Ketones can also be toxic, especially acetone which does CNS damage.

[Anonymous No.20944153]

Instead of switching scenes to have my characters travel instantaneously, I wrote it out. I like the way it turned out.
They reminisced as they passed landmarks. They chatted about current events and gossiped about their friends. Dumped a little more exposition.
Some editor might tell me to cut it, but yeah.

[Anonymous No.20944154]

>>20937449
How do I write... smaller? My short story about a rich girl from a rich city and a poor boy from a poor city quickly became a story about the Anglo-French War during the French Revolution. What was supposed to be a cute story about a fisherman girl and a prince became a story about the fate of a traditional kingdom in the face of the Industrial Revolution.

I just want to start by writing short stories man.. I want to actually finish a story for once, but I keep thinking up plots for book trilogies

[Anonymous No.20944159]

>>20937449
Thoughts on the start of my essai, mon freres?
>Whether or not rape as a mating strategy is or is not only ethical, but viable, remains the most pressing question of the ages. Hitherto, no philosopher has been able to answer this fully or explicitly. It was nebulous to the thinkers of the world since antiquity, and may continue to be so. Unless, of course, a brave enough reasoner rises to the occasion. My attempt towards turning this elephantine question mark into a flourishing flock of declarations starts with another question: what is rape in actuality?

[Anonymous No.20944172]

>>20944119
Thanks man, I've got some good ideas this time around.

[Anonymous No.20944200]

>The contest will happen on Twitter under a common hashtag (#SFFpit). During a 10-hour window on the chosen day, authors with completed manuscripts who are seeking representation or publication can tweet a pitch for their books (at most, once per hour).

>Agents and editors will make requests by marking pitches as a favorite on Twitter. If your tweet is favorited, please follow the agent or editor’s submission guidelines. Throughout the day, we will have authors, agents, editors, and other folks stopping by on the hashtag to say hello. To make sure you know what’s happening, please sign up for my mailing list or follow me on Twitter.

http://dankoboldt.com/sffpit/

Anybody try these "pitch parties?"

[Anonymous No.20944223]

>>20942548
I would move the hook to the start of the first paragraph.
>Two days ago I had seen this girl leap from a rooftop and blast a gross fish monster in the face with an arrow...

[Anonymous No.20944229]

>>20944154
You have to limit the scope of what you talk about. My first short story tried to look at characters, a big idea, leading to a major event, all while describing a setting as a source of conflict. It was just too much to allow me to focus on the characters.
If you read some good short stories you will see that they take one, at most two threads to explore. For example I was reading "Two Gallants" in Dubliners by James Joyce and although we get a rich view of Dublin's setting, the tension in the story comes from these two friends and the difference in how they deal with women. A lot of scifi or fantasy short stories, say something by Asimov or Bradbury, do not focus so much on characters as they do on a big dumb idea (robots as slaves in "Robot Dreams") or a setting (escape the bleaching rains of Venus in "the Long Rain") or an event (trying to understand the forgotten job in PKD's "Paycheck")
So when you're writing a short story, be conscious of what your narrative is actually exploring.

[Anonymous No.20944299]

>>20944154
Post what you have an I'll tell you exactly what you need to know.

[Anonymous No.20944320]

>>20942487
>>20942507
https://jjaramillo.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/36-writing-craft-essays-by-chuck-palahniuk-1.pdf

[Anonymous No.20944337]

>>20942741
>the glow of camera flashes held illuminated.
Restrain yourself.

[Anonymous No.20944380]

>>20944320
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Palahniuk#Writing_style_and_themes
That dude sounds interesting. He goes to my booklist; one day I will read him.

[Anonymous No.20944432]

>>20944200
Top tier agents almost never participate in those, and from what I hear even mid-tier agents have given up on them. I'm not on Twitter, do I can’t say one way or another, hit this is what I've heard.

[Anonymous No.20944649]

can someone critique it? Should I add more detail? It is the first chapter

https://pastebin.com/JzRdeWKM

[Anonymous No.20944662]

>>20944649
It 404'd my man

[Anonymous No.20944685]

How long before computers replace writers the way they’ve replaced artists?

[Anonymous No.20944686]

>just found a story I wrote years ago and completely forgot about
>needs some light editing, but it's actually pretty good
I wonder what I should do with it.

[Anonymous No.20944691]

>>20944662
>>20944649
https://pastebin.com/WK197b3b

[Anonymous No.20944749]

>>20944686
Self publish it into the void

[Anonymous No.20944779]

>>20944749
Only loosers self publish. Real men, the kind who get laid with woman, go trad route to makes real money.

[Anonymous No.20944847]

>>20944223
Noted

>>20942548
Last time I post this shit ITT until I have the entire chapter done.

I'm comfortable with the way the story opens, not fully convinced it will grab anyone's attention yet, but I want to move on and finish the chapter already.

There's some "monster description" and dialogue here, I'm comfortable with it too, but I want to make sure it's entertaining (or at least functional).

Remember, I'm going for a non-cerebral, by the books, self-insertish love story with some entertaining fiction elements to spice it up (in this case, super heroes and mosters). The main goal here is to entertain.

What do you think?

[Anonymous No.20944970]

>>20944337
thanks, haha. Will cut in next draft

[Anonymous No.20944993]

I wrote a 19,333 first draft about a Whore mongering salary man who only gets pleasure from stealing and hookers. It all changes when he meets a women who makes him lose focus at his work.

I wrote it in first person narrative. Does anyone want to read it and give me there first impressions. It is the first thing I ever wrote, and I have no clue wtf I am doing.

[Anonymous No.20944997]

New Bread: >>20944982
New Bread: >>20944982
New Bread: >>20944982

[Anonymous No.20945001]

>>20944993
their* fuck