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[Anonymous No.20923511]

What is the darkest alternate timeline ever written?

I guess you could have just have the germans win ww2 and gas/starve/shoot 50 million people, but that's too simple. I dont like simple. I want to read about an alternate 2022 earth with more or less similar borders (not necessarily identical) to the ones we have today, where everyone is 10x poorer. Even in the most developed countries, entire families live in tiny rotting commieblocks that are slowly falling apart. Nearly every family has lost at least 1 close relative in some type of armed conflict recently. Cars, vacations, videogames- these are luxuries only the top 1% have. Armed troops (regular or irregular) patrol the streets. Car bombs are going off every day.

What kind of events could create this world?

[Anonymous No.20923524]

>>20923511
Don't worry we're getting there.

[Anonymous No.20923529]

>>20923511
>implying the germans winning ww2 would've been bad
You seen the shit we're currently in, anon?

[Anonymous No.20923536]

Just write a story where America balkanizes and has a civil war between several successor states, Russia conquers Europe and it devolves into a police state plagued by terrorists, and the Arab world unites as a major super power and fights a war against China. China nuclear bombs India at some point

[Anonymous No.20923540]

>>20923529
Why have you people all been programmed to have this exact thought and belief and spout it off constantly? It's fucking pathetic how much your life has been irreversibly ruined by minor social issues to the point where you beg for the defeated enemies of your ancestors to destroy your country

[Anonymous No.20923591]

My life desu~

[Anonymous No.20923596]

>>20923536
That's fairly close to the timeline I'm working on. A much more aggressive Soviet Union is definitely the key. The divergence starts sometime in 1944 with the USSR making a huge drive south into the Balkans and sending less troops into Germany itself. WW2 ends with Greece and Yugoslavia firmly under Soviet control (except Crete, where the Allies set up a Greek republic) In the east, the Soviets declare war on Japan, but keep Manchuria for themselves, and later on claim parts of eastern China, too. Supporting the CCP was a huge mistake; unified China is too strong, it can never be a simple satellite, like say, Slovakia or Albania. The right strategy for the USSR there is to carve it up. In the middle east, the USSR refuses to abandon northern Persia like they did historically, and the country ends up divided between the pro-western south and the communist north, a lot like Korea.

In this timeline, people in western Europe will be extremely paranoid and fearful of further Soviet expansion. Their countries will probably end up becoming authoritarian, and refuse to give up their colonies as easily as they did historically. Vietnam should be one of MANY anti-communist police actions fought in the 3rd world by NATO. There should be similar wars in Congo, Nigeria and modern Zimbabwe. Maybe somewhere in Latin America too. The lack of civil and commercial liberties and crushing military spending will stifle technological development and make the western world much poorer than historically.

Anyway, that's my attempt at creating a darker 20th century. I'm curious to see what everyone thinks

[Anonymous No.20923603]

>I guess you could have just have the germans win ww2
Fucking angloid.

[Anonymous No.20923614]

>>20923511
We're rapidly approaching a future bleaker and darker than anyone could ever imagine. We still have 426000 years to go before the Kali Yuga ends and it's gonna get much worse before it gets any better

[Anonymous No.20923616]

>>20923540
This.
>>20923529
Even if you don't care about jews getting gassed, do you really think life in nazi germany was better for white men than western countries today? If you were one of the millions of germans who died while forced to fight a meaningless war, you wouldn't be in a better position than the minorities getting gassed.

[Anonymous No.20923625]

>>20923616
I always figured that whites would have been better off if Hitler won. You guys are literally going extinct in this timeline, it’s not like it could have been any worse if he had won.

t. Non-white

[Anonymous No.20923645]

>>20923511
you're in it

[Anonymous No.20923654]

A plague kills all grass on Earth, this includes wheat, grain and rice. Civilization collapses into anarchy with people butchering each other over a can of soup.

[Anonymous No.20923656]

>>20923654
Just eat fish lmao

In all seriousness that would indeed be quite bad.

[Anonymous No.20923658]

>>20923654
Based. OP is a fag, didn't mention any book.

[Anonymous No.20923666]

>>20923656
>Just eat fish lmao

The problem isn't getting fish, it's not getting murdered by people who don't have any fish.

[Anonymous No.20923717]

>>20923511
>What is the darkest alternate timeline ever written?
The good guys lost the war and the forces of the Demiurge won. We're living in that timeliness. You can see it by walking outside.

[Anonymous No.20923743]

If the Nazis won WWII, ugly people and manlets would have been gassed, all guys would look like Scott Eastwood, all women would look like Taylor Swift, video games, porn and jewflix wouldn't exist, trannies who try to brainwash your kids would be swiftly dealt with, we would probably be in the early stages of becoming a type II civilization, and it would be a utopia that your brain can't even conceive of.

[Anonymous No.20923766]

>>20923511
You sound sheltered.
>Even in the most developed countries, entire families live in tiny rotting commieblocks that are slowly falling apart.
Happens.
>Nearly every family has lost at least 1 close relative in some type of armed conflict recently.
Do bioweapons count?
>Cars, vacations, videogames- these are luxuries only the top 1% have.
Is your car paid off?
>Armed troops (regular or irregular) patrol the streets.
Happens.
>Car bombs are going off every day.
On Earth? Probably. Only in the most war-torn countries, of course.

[Anonymous No.20923768]

The one where a small group of sociopaths used "PR" to convince the largest empire in the world to change the rules of warfare so war will now be about murdering as many civilians as possible. All major powers stockpiled weapons designed to murder as many innocents as possible and constantly leveraged the threat of using those weapons.

[Anonymous No.20923774]

>>20923645
>>20923717
You people are such histrionic drama queen faggots, your persecution complex and endless woe is me bullshit is pathetic. You're a broken brainfucked victim who will cry oppression all the way up until you die 40 years from now, still claiming society is collapsing all along the way

[Anonymous No.20923796]

>>20923774
What kind of brainworms do I need to pretend society isn't collapsing?

[Anonymous No.20923798]

>>20923774
Just because you're cucked enough to not see reality for what it is doesn't mean you're entitled to scream after those who do, dipshit

[Anonymous No.20923799]

>>20923743
the most realistic scenario for a nazi victory is one where they completely crush the USSR in 1941 and afterwards the Allies decide that retaking europe is just not worth it and leave them alone. this surviving nazi state would be completely isolated, cut off from international trade, shunned and scorned, unless they "de-nazified" just like the USSR "de-stalinized". It wouldn't be able to meaningfully influence international politics in any way. It would be in a similar position to the one North Korea is in today. nearly all of its resources and money would be spent trying to keep up with american/british defense spending and continuously fortifying its borders. It wouldnt be a nice place to live in.

[Anonymous No.20923803]

>>20923774
Have you not seen climate change projections? This whole things coming down by 2050 tops

[Anonymous No.20923810]

>>20923540
Why have you people all been programmed to react this exact way to dissenting thought? Is it because you were skullfucked with propaganda since birth to make you believe in a suicidal egalitarianism that you will sell everything, including your soul, to achieve this "paradise" on earth?

What was that saying? Ah, yes, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions". The realists know that only faith, hard work, and strong leadership with ties in raw natural order will be the way to a better future. Of course not everyone is going to make it, think of it as the birthing pains. But leave it to a fool to think the opposite.

[Anonymous No.20923812]

>>20923511
Write a story where china false flags itself and invades japan then occupies it to help it 'develop a stable government' for 20 years. Basically what the yanks did to the afghans but from an outside perspective.

[Anonymous No.20923815]

>>20923796
Describe exactly how you think society is collapsing and what you think is going to happen

>>20923798
Tell me what reality is then anon, let's hear it.

>>20923803
It's not going to end humanity or civilization.

[Anonymous No.20923820]

>>20923799
>It would be in a similar position to the one North Korea is in today.
If it crushed the USSR it would be way more powerful than NK. Like the USSR, it would probably have created a parallel economy that didn't need the West (or the Allies in this case) to function.

[Anonymous No.20923826]

>>20923810
You aren't an independent thinker with dissenting thought, you think and speak in a hyper specific way that has been programmed in you by E radicalization. You downloaded this personality through memes and inforgraphics.

Describe the raw natural order for us anon, and where you are in it anon

[Anonymous No.20923827]

>>20923815
> It's not going to end humanity or civilization
How will it not? Entire coastlines and countries will drown, billions of people will be on the move, and global supply chains will permanently break down. It’ll be the end for civilization.

[Anonymous No.20923830]

>>20923815
>exactly
Stop pretending you have any hint of sincerity or willingness to think. Why do retards like you pretend you want to discuss things and then play braindead gotcha games?

[Anonymous No.20923831]

>>20923827
Fear mongering hyperbole

[Anonymous No.20923837]

>>20923830
You're making excuses because you can't answer. Just describe the process of our current societal collapse if you can

[Anonymous No.20923838]

>>20923831
Holy cope, it’s literally the most optimistic IPCC prediction.

[Anonymous No.20923845]

>>20923815
>>20923826
>>20923831
You're the most delusional person I've seen on this board in a while. Good for you. I hope you won't cry too much when shit comes crashing down because you're clearly not ready

[Anonymous No.20923848]

>>20923511

It’s kinda in the realm of fiction but I would say the Mandela catalogue.

It basically has two changes

>the bible tells the truth.
>Lucifers rebellion was successful.

Essentially in the Mandela catalogue the devil likely won and lead the legions of hell against humanity, where they slowly replace humans on earth one by one. Just watch Wendigoons videos on it if you want the details.

What I find really scary in the Mandela Catalogue is that it’s a world where humanity faces a foe who has all the time in the world, can replace anyone, is immensely powerful and has absolutely no moral compass (they often use children and psychological torture to reach their goals).

[Anonymous No.20923852]

>>20923837
There are a million existential threats but you'll just say "nuh uh" to any one I mention. Making these braindead demands instead of showing any hint of thought reveals what you are.

[Anonymous No.20923856]

>>20923852
There are exactly 3 existential threats. Luckily the 3rd is solved by the first two:
1. Resource exhaustion
2. Climate change
3. Development of true AGI

[Anonymous No.20923860]

>>20923856
>believing technology will save us whereas it led us into this predicament in the first place
yeah, not gonna make it. sorry

[Anonymous No.20923867]

>>20923856
You are a bigger threat than any of those.

[Anonymous No.20923878]

>>/his/

[Anonymous No.20923879]

>>20923826
You're literally parroting word for word what you heard your favorite e-celeb say and you think yourself a free thinker? You don't even dare oppose the status-quo by a margin with what some people consider "radical" thought. IE: Strengthening the relationship with your family where family is being destabilized or pursuing a means to not only better your world but the worlds of the people around you. That is a supposed egalitarianism done correctly.

But i'm getting off track here. The raw natural order of the word it that there's only one path forward, one ultimate truth, one love, and one God. There is no moral grey or inbetween that can shirk away the hard dilemmas of society away with a hand wave. There is objectivity, and there is strength in that objectivity.

[Anonymous No.20923901]

>>20923799
You fell for the meme that "Hitler was le evil madman and wanted to take over le world!" Hitler was an isolationist and wanted to close the borders, strengthen up his people and get off the jew banking system. He didn't give a fuck about taking over the world. This is why there was even a war in the first place, because he DIDN'T want to take over the world.

[Anonymous No.20923912]

>>20923856
4. Dysgenics
Could be solved by genetic engineering and possibly artificial wombs, but there seems to be very little will to do it before time runs out
Also
5. Nuclear war

[Anonymous No.20923932]

>>20923856
How the fuck does AGI solve resource exhaustion or even climate change? Lmao technology is literally magic to you people huh. Guess what, the gigamind's solution will be to purge billions of useless eaters, mostly africans and pajeets of course

[Anonymous No.20923935]

>>20923901
it doesn't matter what hitler wanted really. by late 1941 he was at war with the industrial behemoth that is (or was, lel) the USA and completely vilified by their media. They had infinitely more manpower and resources. There was no real way to make peace short of fortifying to the point where the USA realizes they'd have to sacrifice an ungodly amount of men to win and decide not to do it

[Anonymous No.20923937]

>>20923596
You literally need to only write a story about the current globohomo world order winning and ruling the world with gay drones and beta male factory workers that fuck sex drones and all new human worker drones are born in placental sacks. Literally just pretend that they are gonna win and use their states goals as inspiration. The future they have planned is pretty much the most twisted shit anyone can think of.

[Anonymous No.20923977]

>>20923879
I'm not the anon you're responding to but it's funny that first you deride him of dreaming of an unrealistic "paradise" on earth, citing that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions", and now you proclaim an absolute, objective moral good. There's never going to be a "just" or "moral" society, whatever you take that to mean. Just take a look at all of human history, society has always been cruel and hierarchical and it's probably not going to change. Even if your fashy utopia were to come true, most people would still be miserable plebs, just like in today's society, and you'd still be among them. To be clear, leftists and libs and egalitarians are just as clueless about this as you are.

[Anonymous No.20924021]

>>20923812
this is going to be the next 5 years of china building roads through afghanistan

[Anonymous No.20924266]

>>20923511
Krysa written by Sami Tissari. But you have to wait for a translation.

[Anonymous No.20924527]

>>20923815
>Describe exactly how you think society is collapsing

[Anonymous No.20924534]

>>20923774
what do you honestly think the world will be like in 2100 when half the planet's population is africans

[Anonymous No.20924535]

>>20923511
>What is the darkest alternate timeline ever written?
Peronium.

[Anonymous No.20924543]

>>20923511
Not darkest but fantastic alt-timeline book

[Anonymous No.20924658]

>>20923540
>>20923616
>do you really think life in nazi germany was better for white men than western countries today?
I can barely afford somewhere to live making above median income because people have greedily bought properties on mortgages, then expect me to pay for the mortgage + extra. I think our current governance are fucking usurious pigs, so yes, I do think there's a good chance that as time goes on, it is emerging we would have been better off in the long run.

Most WW2 the west had about 50 years of a golden age. Now we're in a slump caused by lazy politicians trading money under the table.

[Anonymous No.20924734]

>>20924658
Your racial victim complex is pathetic and hilarious. No, having your nation and your people dominated by a foreign government wouldn't be good for you or get you a house. They would not look at you in solidarity as a fellow white man, nor would they somehow be less prone to greed than politicians now. Stop worshipping national Socialism and laboring under the delusion that it would have somehow solved all of your current problems if your homeland and ancestors were defeated and conquered by them 80 years ago

[Anonymous No.20924760]

>>20924734
>foreign
They’d all be white anon. I literally have no dog in this fight (I’m literally Black), but watching white people like you fight against your own interests never ceases to amaze

[Anonymous No.20924802]

1983: Doomsday is pretty dark at times, OP.

[Anonymous No.20924808]

>>20924760

>N-no, anon, I'm literally black all along, I don't have a d-dog in this fight.

Damn, dude, just own up to your muttness instead of pretending to be a nigger as a gotcha.

[Anonymous No.20924834]

>>20923511
Heres a concept which may be original. FOTWAMS (Fly-on-the-Wall Aerial Monitor), maximally fly-sizes but also dust-sized drones equipped with a camera, microphone, and other instruments, controlled by AI and always watching. No privacy.

[Anonymous No.20924990]

>>20923540
>>20923826
It's at least a better opinion than you and your
>Hitler be EVIIIL n sheet and would have genocided the earth if he'd won
Holy shit, has your NPC brain ever produced a single original thought against its programming?

[Anonymous No.20925022]

>>20924990
You truly don't see how you've been brainfucked into Hitler worship through E radicalism do you? Everyone else can see it but you. You've built this narrative of persecution that you'll never escape

[Anonymous No.20925027]

>>20924760
You're like a child thinking other white men have your well being in mind

[Anonymous No.20926069]

>>20925027
>t. never lived in a "white" society

[Anonymous No.20926075]

>>20923511
>What kind of events could create this world?
Allies winning WW2, Trump losing 2020

[Anonymous No.20926107]

>>20926075
, Yankees winning, jewish slave ships arriving

[Anonymous No.20926122]

>>20923540
My country didn't fight in WWII, but since America is forcing all their globohomo bullshit with their soft power on us, maybe it wasn't for the best that they won.

[Anonymous No.20926147]

>>20923826
>Describe the raw natural order for us anon, and where you are in it anon
Why do you talk like a faggot? And why do you come here when you obviously don't fit?

[Anonymous No.20926154]

Woah, a thread full of anti-fascist hot takes. What originality and bravery, it’s not like we haven’t been hearing this for 90 years and getting it pumped into our heads in public schools. I truly realize now that I live in a utopia. There is no demograpgic replacement but also there is an it’s a good thing. I wouldn’t want my friends or family to think I had any dangerous ideas. I think I’ll get off of 4channel.org and go to sleep.

[Anonymous No.20926171]

>>20925022
This. We can't let Hitler get access to the nuclear codes. It would undermine America's democracy.

[Anonymous No.20926246]

>>20923540
Hitler was pursuing the geopolitical interests of the German nation, he never said he was fighting for the white race. It just so happens that his geopolitical rivals all adhered to ideologies which are anti-white at the end of the day, so a world dominated by a German superpower rather than an American one would see white racial interests protected at the end of the line. The British and French Empire's were a net drain on European society at that point anyway, which the real reason why the Brits and French let them fall apart while barely firing a shot

[Anonymous No.20926371]

>>20926246

>The British and French Empire's were a net drain on European society at that point anyway, which the real reason why the Brits and French let them fall apart while barely firing a shot.

Ironically, it was Disraeli, a Jew, who suggested that. Other British statesmen at the time did, too. The most staunch supporters of Empire came from literature: Conan Doyle defended starving Boer women and kids in the world's first concentration camps, and Dickens wanted to exterminate all Indians (dot, not feather). But the statesmen of the time didn't really care as much.

[Anonymous No.20926749]

>>20923529
>Hitler wins
>Nazis are shit at economics
>Europe in 2022 looks essentially like modern day Russia
I think I prefer the current timeline

[Anonymous No.20926766]

>>20926371
Conan Doyle defended the Boers while the Brits were pioneering concentration camps against them because they were too fucking weak to beat them in a fair fight? Where did he do that?

[Anonymous No.20926798]

>>20926749
Prof. A. J. P. Taylor, the eminent British historian, and hardly a Nazi sympathizer, writes:

>"Fascism, it was claimed, represented the last aggressive stage of capitalism in decline, and its momentum could be sustained only by war. There was an element of truth in this, but not much. The full employment which Nazi Germany was the first European country to possess, depended in large part on the production of armaments; but it could have been provided equally well (and was to some extent) by other forms of public works from roads to great buildings. The Nazi secret was not armament production; it was freedom from the then orthodox principles of economics . . . the argument for war did not work even if the Nazi system had relied on armaments production alone. Nazi Germany was not choking in a flood of arms. On the contrary, the German Generals insists unanimously in 1939 that they were not equipped for war and that many years must pass before “rearmament in depth” had been completed."

>Answering predictions of ruin by orthodox economists throughout the world, Hitler explained that Germany had not withdrawn from world trade but had bypassed the international financial system by means of barter, stating:

>"If certain countries combat the German system this is done in the first instance because through the German method of trading their tricks of international currency and Bourse speculations have been abolished in favor of honest business transactions. . . . We are buyers of good foodstuff and raw materials and suppliers of equally good commodities!"

>More recently a professional economist, Henry C K Liu[18], who can hardly be suspected of Hitlerism, analyzed the methods by which Germany emerged from the Depression:

>"The Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933, at a time when its economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Yet through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies it could exploit, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began. In fact, German economic recovery preceded and later enabled German rearmament, in contrast to the US economy, where constitutional roadblocks placed by the US Supreme Court on the New Deal delayed economic recovery until US entry to World War II put the US market economy on a war footing. While this observation is not an endorsement for Nazi philosophy, the effectiveness of German economic policy in this period, some of which had been started during the last phase of the Weimar Republic, is undeniable."

[Anonymous No.20926806]

>>20926798
>Henry Liu adds an interesting comment regarding communist China by way of comparison. It is instructive for us today in that Marxism has failed historically as an alternative to capitalism — as both Spengler and Eckart pointed out — especially with its inability to address the world financial system upon which monopoly capitalism is predicated. Liu writes:

>"After two and a half decades of economic reform toward neo-liberal market economy, China is still unable to accomplish in economic reconstruction what Nazi Germany managed in four years after coming to power, i.e., full employment with a vibrant economy financed with sovereign credit without the need to export, which would challenge that of Britain, the then superpower. This is because China made the mistake of relying on foreign investment instead of using its own sovereign credit."

>De Colonna writes that, “[in Nazi Germany the] result was a decision by the government to issue and assume control of currency and credit.” One million marks of state credit were issued to finance public works including state housing. “The bankers prophesied speedy bankruptcy. Those prophecies proved utterly wrong . . .” Newly created state banks issued state credit. “The new money backed by the credit of the nation was gradually absorbed by the open money market.” This in turn brought a big increase in state revenue without the need for increasing taxation. Private banks were placed under state supervision and “the rate of interest was limited by law.”

>De Colonna pointed out that the state money was in no way inflationary (a frequent objection against such schemes by orthodox economists). The issue of credit and new money “is based upon the actual production of real wealth;” through greater industrial output. De Colonna stated that after five years of pursuing this policy it had proven its worth in keeping money in constant circulation; “after all that is the only use of money – to circulate and exchange the wealth produced by the nation.”

[Anonymous No.20927311]

>>20923879
>There is no moral grey or inbetween that can shirk away the hard dilemmas of society away with a hand wave. There is objectivity, and there is strength in that objectivity.

Deluding yourself so you can sleep better at night.

[Anonymous No.20927345]

>>20923511
The Bible.

[Anonymous No.20927383]

>>20923654
Nice poetic, metaphorical book title. Really leaves a lot to the ole’ imagination.

[Anonymous No.20927401]

>>20923511
>I want to read about an alternate 2022 earth with more or less similar borders (not necessarily identical) to the ones we have today, where everyone is 10x poorer. Even in the most developed countries, entire families live in tiny rotting commieblocks that are slowly falling apart. Nearly every family has lost at least 1 close relative in some type of armed conflict recently. Cars, vacations, videogames- these are luxuries only the top 1% have. Armed troops (regular or irregular) patrol the streets. Car bombs are going off every day.
So just wait 10 years?

[Anonymous No.20927418]

>>20926107
why wouldn’t he at least bring a modern pistol with him through the time portal if he knew he was going to be confronting jewish slavers

[Anonymous No.20927547]

>>20926107
That is fucking bizarre. Sure, just blame the Jews for everything lmao.