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[Anonymous No.20917798]

Any thoughts on pic-related? I think the argument here is well argued and sourced but I also consider Chomsky to be a crypto-tankie and am hesitant to take anything he says at face value

[Anonymous No.20917828]

>>20917798
People like Chomsky can’t accept the fact that socialist ideas just aren’t popular, and therefore have to come up with conspiracy theories about how the media brainwashes us or whatever. Generally speaking the media reflects what he want to see, not vice versa.

[Anonymous No.20917831]

lol did they seriously plagiarize hideo kojima

[Anonymous No.20917860]

>>20917831
what

[Anonymous No.20917871]

>>20917828
This is definitely true to an extent. Also I feel that Chomsky fails to consider that for a lot of people it is hard to admit that their country has done morally dubious things

[Anonymous No.20917881]

It's basic institutional economics. I thnk he's basically right for the most part, although iirc there's a later chapter where he claims the media has to invent enemies to stay profitable (or something like that it's been a while since i read it). But for the most part, the idea that the media responds to financial incentives, that the people who work at these companies have a selection / survival bias, etc. are all solid points. You'll find that a lot of what is written in the book applies to institutions in general.

[Anonymous No.20917967]

>>20917828
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.20917977]

>>20917798
He is right because he also participates in it every 4 years.

[Anonymous No.20918003]

>>20917831
No

[Anonymous No.20918018]

>anarchist
>tankie
pick one

[Anonymous No.20918297]

>>20917798
Rest assured that, by Chomsky's own admission, this is mostly Herman's work.

[Anonymous No.20918458]

>>20918018
Most socialists claim to be libertarian socialists or anarchists, and yet most socialist movements that gain power are highly authoritarian. A lot of it is just optics

[Anonymous No.20918570]

>>20918458
More on this subject?

[Anonymous No.20919916]

>>20918570
He’s just talking about tankies.
Chomsky isn’t a tankie, but he doesn’t live in anarchism either. So what?

[Anonymous No.20919993]

>>20917828
>conspiracy theories about how the media brainwashes us
You must be a happy person

[Anonymous No.20920087]

>>20918458
To be fair anarchists have lost a lot of influence in history due to the socialists consistently shooting them in the back in every significant class struggle.

[Anonymous No.20920100]

>>20917828
>Generally speaking the media reflects what he want to see, not vice versa.
Total opposite of reality.

[Anonymous No.20920149]

>>20917798
>crypto-tankie
he's an anarchist

[Anonymous No.20920316]

>>20917828

are u naive, stupid, or brainwashed? you post is utterly moronic

[Anonymous No.20920364]

>>20917828
>Obviously hasn't read the book
cringe

[Anonymous No.20920373]

>>20918458
Socialism in the vein of Orwell is about setting an absolute floor of freedom which no man can fall below, since a man is only really free when he has access to resources which cannot be revoked by any private person. This is why a man is only truly free when his government guarantees certain positive rights. This is the libertarian argument for socialism, that it is fair to set an absolute ceiling to the accumulation of wealth (breaking up monopolies) and also a floor (each citizen should have access to the wealth of the nation directly, and not dependent on the whim of any other private person)

[Anonymous No.20920383]

>>20918297
You're right. I think Chomsky only researched and wrote the chapters on Vietnam and Laos. Maybe one or two others. Herman researched and wrote the rest.

[Anonymous No.20920557]

>>20917828
Manufacturing consent is really just the continuation of Bernays propaganda line of reasoning. It's not so much a conspiracy as it is a standard operating procedure for pretty much any industry trying to maintain its status quo.

[Anonymous No.20920561]

>>20917798
He's not a tankie. I'm a tankie and I can tell you for sure that Chomsky is a regime plant (most anarchists are this) who supports Biden and Ukraine, i.e. he is gay.

[Anonymous No.20920612]

>>20917798
didn't this guy advocate everyone to take an experimental injection and that if they don't, they should just starve to death?

[Anonymous No.20921302]

>>20917798
Read Ellul.

[Anonymous No.20921795]

>>20920087
>to be fair
Anarchists are just retarded my guy. No need to be coping about the shooting in the back part

[Anonymous No.20921986]

>>20920100
>>20917828
Christcucks agree with each other.

[Anonymous No.20922130]

>>20918458
almost every successful revolution is perpetuated by vanguard marxists because mass movements will always be subverted/placated/crushed. the few exceptions are brief periods of history in which anarchists had serious organisation and support. though none of which actually survived significant periods of time (kurds, CNT-FAI, ukrainian anarchists)

>>20920087
anarchists since catalonia have been the retarded children of the left. need i mention the embarrassment and negative progress they create in every nation they exist in. greece, the USA, germany etc. being the most prominent examples.

they are useful boogeymen of the right, almost totally innefective and only capable of like their namesake, creating anarchy in which crime proliferates. its a little faux pas, but chaz was an exact replica of every anarchist chimp out in the last 80 years

[Anonymous No.20922142]

>>20922130
what does it mean to be part of a vanguard?

[Anonymous No.20922151]

>>20922142
its a group of committed ideological communists who will lead the proletariat during the revolution and steer society towards a socialist and communist future

famous examples being the bolsheviks during the USSR and the CCP in China. as soon as the revolution succeeds basically anyone in the party becomes top dog and gets to run the state

[Anonymous No.20922443]

>>20918458
Because libertarian socialism is an oxymoron

[Anonymous No.20922464]

>>20922142
It means being a petit bourgeois professional ideologue with a western university education who gets imprisoned for writing calls to violence for 20 straight years but then when someone needs to collapse a country they release you from prison and send you into the country to reconnect with other irascible bourgeois intellectuals and "impose form" on a revolutionaory tendency that otherwise would have produced an organic series of relatively peaceful revolutions but when you and your bourgeois boys take over you kill 40 million people and ask for a do-over

[Anonymous No.20922564]

>>20922443
Only when you accept the neoclassical liberals theft of the term libertarian. It actually means anarchist. Not a capitalist liberal idealism at all.

[Anonymous No.20922854]

>>20922142
>>20922151
Not just communists, Vanguard means any ideological revolutions group who leads a people, I think. I'm sure it could apply to Fascist Italy or National Socialist Germany, for example....