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Who are your favorite depressing Christian authors?

>> No.20911651

>>20911623
If you don't see through Christian lies after witnessing the emasculated Tolstoy you may be beyond help.

>> No.20911663

>>20911651
What are you, then, a pagan or an atheist?

>> No.20911692

>>20911623
The bible.

>> No.20911700

>>20911663
I am a man.

>> No.20911704 [DELETED] 

>>20911623
Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human English words expressing several, although by no means all, aspects of poshlost are, for instance, ”cheap,” ”sham,” ”smutty,” ”highfalutin,” ”in bad taste.” dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place.”

>> No.20911713

>>20911700
Everybody worships something. Worshiping money or sex instead of God or Allah doesn't make you any more masculine. If anything it's a bit sadder.

>> No.20911721

>>20911623
Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place.”

>> No.20911724

>>20911713
I worship my conscience. My ability to do what I say I'm going to do.

>> No.20911742

>>20911721
I like Ivan Bunin but Dostoevsky is a much better author than him.

>> No.20911754

>>20911742
Dosto seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

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>>20911623
pic related

>> No.20911764

>>20911724
You can do what you want, but you can't want what you want, or so I've heard it said. How do you account for this idea?

>> No.20911772

>>20911754
Shut up Nabokov

>> No.20911785

>>20911772
What? I just dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigmarole

>> No.20911795

>>20911764
>You can do what you want
Most people can't.

>> No.20911802

>>20911785
How can you dislike Karamazov? That's a great book.

>> No.20911807

>>20911802
Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Heart-to-heart talks, confessions in the Dostoevskian manner, are also not in my line.

>> No.20911860

>>20911807
>Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him.
That's literally what he wrote. That's like saying Salvador Dali made too much surrealist art, or that Franz Liszt made too much Romantic music.

>> No.20911873

>>20911795
I don't think so. I think the only thing people can do is what they want...? It's very rare for people to do things they don't want to do, sure people do trivial things because they have to or things like go to work even though they don't enjoy it but they still want the working life style or a clean house or whatever...

I suppose my point is, do you think worshipping one's conscience depends on there being free will? [Or something like that].

>> No.20911893

>>20911873
Most people can't live up to their word, so no, they can't do what they want. That's why they end up like Tolstoy.

>> No.20911903

>>20911873
>Tolstoy
Although in his case he just lost his mind, it's not that he couldn't will initially. The Christian disease is fascinating, it castrates so effectively.

>> No.20911922

>>20911860
No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search.

>> No.20911982

>>20911893
>That's why they end up like Tolstoy.

Rich and famous and with a thirteen children? I can imagine worse fates.

>> No.20911994

>>20911982
He was born with a lot more, with the possibility for much more, and it's just a sign of how diseased the world is that he got famous. He would let his entire family be shot and wouldn't move a muscle. He was degeneration.

>> No.20911996

>>20911994
This is the most retarded post on 4chan right now. How do you even exist?

>> No.20912000

>>20911994
>He was born with a lot more, with the possibility for much more

Do you think if he was twice as rich he would have been any happier?

>> No.20912005

>>20911994
>He would've let his entire family be shot and wouldn't've moved a muscle.
If that's not the most pathetic excuse for a man...
But that's Christianity taken to its logical conclusion.

>> No.20912012

>>20911996
>>20912000

>>20912005

>> No.20912037
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>>20912005
Who cares? If Heaven is real there's no point in prolonging your life on Earth. If Heaven isn't real then there's no point in prolonging your life on Earth.

>> No.20912045

>>20912005
no, its not. you just heard "turn the other cheek" once and think youre an intellectual.

>> No.20912048

>>20912005
Reject humanity. Reject money. Reject fear of death. What could be more masculine than declaring war on the world itself?

>> No.20912062

>>20912048
>he typed on his comfy couch on his MacBook, in the middle of the night, because he doesnt have to get up and actually do anything tomorrow

>> No.20912066

>>20912045
>>20912048
>>20912037
Jesus died and did not resurrect, the gospels were written by lying fanatics, holy water is just water etc. It's all a delusion, the evidence is abundant. You just believe it because love blinds men and you're led to believe that a dead man died for you.

Tolstoy is important because he takes the stupidity to its logical conclusion.

>> No.20912071

>>20912062
The president sleeps at 3 am too.

>> No.20912073

>>20912066
i love it when these people make vague statements like "the evidence is abundant! jsut trust me bro!"" as if they actually believe there is real direct proof of their claims

my friend, if the evidence is abundant you should share it because it would be a watershed moment in human history, science, and metaphysics etc and you would be remembered for as long as the human race goes on

>> No.20912074

>>20912071
wtf are you talking about

>> No.20912080

>>20912073
>>20912066
yeah come on bro, post the evidence

>> No.20912082

>>20912066
Holy crap are we back in 2002 when 4chan had edgy atheists? Has Elevator-gate happened yet?

>> No.20912092

>>20912073
>>20912080
Resurrection is not possible. Just think about it, why can't this obvious fact compute in your brains? Because you love him.

Remember when you first fell in love? You couldn't see any flaw with the person. Why? Because love blinds.

Christianity uses love to blind its followers. That was Paul's genius, he engineered it. Jesus died for his own sins, not yours, that's the truth.

>> No.20912103

>>20912092
lol is this seriously what atheists mean by "an abundance of evidence"????????
>Resurrection is not possible
what objective proof do you have that God cannot resurrect people? where is your abundance of evidence???

>> No.20912107

>>20912092
>creator of the universe
>cant resurrect people
fuck off

>> No.20912111

>>20912103
You'd rather believe what cult followers said than basic biology? What did Manson's followers say?

>> No.20912112

>>20912107
You're just proving how powerful the delusion is.

>> No.20912117

Jesus died for his own sins, feel the truth of these words, you know them to be true.

>> No.20912121

>>20912112
no, the universe has self evident order, and God is that which causes that order, and describes it. Assuming Jesus is the image of the Father, and that the universe wished to resurrect his body, I do not see why it could not happen

>> No.20912122

>>20912111

I do believe in biology, but "basic biology" is not metaphysics, and it cannot tell you if God can resurrect a human being

>> No.20912124

>>20912117
youre investing to much effort in this and its kinda creeping me out. I'll just leave it at this >>20912121
and stop replying

>> No.20912125

>>20911623
le sad russian guy

>> No.20912136

these guys wrote some of the most life-affirming passages in the history of literature

>> No.20912137

>>20912124
>>20912122
>>20912121
The Christian delusion is very powerful. If you guys get out you'll be for awhile telling others these things, because to say them helps one move on.

Why do you think atheists always talk about their atheism? Because they can't move on from the Christian disease and they think talking about it will help, which it does, but you have to sophisticated about it.

Jesus has to be seen as mentally ill, and Paul perhaps as the evil one. That's I think, the true way out.

>> No.20912138

>>20912136
Only if you're a retarded Christcuck.

>> No.20912142

>>20912137
my friend...you said "there is abundance of evidence" and when questioned you are now just raving like a mad man and insulting people, not even pretending to engage in the dialect you willingly started.

now think long and hard about this: are you sure you arent the one being delusional here?

>> No.20912152

>>20912142
The fact that there is plenty of evidence doesn't help because it's a trauma bond. You're led to believe that Jesus died for your sins, and you pray to him. It's all emotional, that why the religion is so evil.

>> No.20912154

>>20912138
if you dont find stuff like the ending of anna kerenina to be extremely uplifting and life-affirming, even as an atheist, then you are a truly lost soul and I genuinely feel profound pity for you. I will pray for you.

>> No.20912156

>>20912152
>The fact that there is plenty of evidence
here we go again! your delusions have brought you all the way back to square one.

>> No.20912159

>>20912152
>It's all emotional, that why the religion is so evil.

As opposed to dedicating your life to sex or drugs or Faustian wisdom?

>> No.20912163

>>20912152
>Emotions are le evil!
woah look out we got a bad ass autistic sociopath over here!

>> No.20912167

>>20912156
Believe me, I have all the evidence - from the Jews to Plato to Paul - how it was all cooked up. But if it doesn't help me it won't help you.

I think it's just time, like a breakup, you have to mourn. It probably won't be evidence that causes you to wake up, you'll just have to love yourself more than you love Jesus. That's how I got out.

>> No.20912184

>>20912163
He's even worse than a sociopath, he's a wannabe sociopath.

>> No.20912187

>>20912159
>>20912163
Love yourself more than you love Jesus. That really is the key. It will be extremely difficult, the journey is very hard, but if you win you'll gain more than just your manhood.

>> No.20912200
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>>20912167
and so the atheist exists the dialogue, asserting nothing, with his tail between his legs just as he turned with his tail between his legs towards sin and away from god.

a tale as old as time

>> No.20912204

>>20912187
>Love yourself more than you love Jesus
A paradox. one who worships the self and turns away from God and Jesus cannot truly love himself at all

>> No.20912211

>>20911758
Subtle quality post. Doomed to be ignored. Schopenhauer distilled the purest form of Christianity.

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>>20912167
>you'll just have to love yourself more than you love Jesus.......just trust me bro

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walter m. miller JR.

>> No.20913105

>>20911700
nigger

>> No.20913131

Bloy

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>>20911623
youtube.com/watch?v=EZy_kZjM0GQ

>> No.20913152

>>20911623
Those two + Kierkegaard
t. atheist

>> No.20913254

>>20911623
Ive just read The Confession by Tolsto and I got really disappointed at the end.. How the fuck could such a wise man manipulate himself into seeing faith as a existential solution? Was he that much of a coward?

>> No.20913292

>>20913254
He was terrified of death and it fucked him up for most of his life

>> No.20913354

>>20913254
faith IS the solution.

>> No.20913373

>>20913354
Faith in what? In book he describes how he had faith because whole of humanity had faith from literal beginning and he felt that he was wealthy lazy parasite as many other thinkers and had no right to think there is no meaning after all the work every human generation have put in so far.. Something like all my ancestors were believers and they never questioned anything, so I should too
He knew it was irrational, but somehow as only irrational could explain infinite meaning from finite life, he took the faithpill
Seems like a massive copium to me
He saw through hypocrisy of a church and state religion at least though, I have to give him that

>> No.20913403

>>20911994
He was born with a lot and saw through the facade of culture and nobility. Read Confessions dipshit. No amount of high-class sublimation will save yoy from existential fear. Your clinging to ungrounded axioms such as “your conscience” is just a pseudo-intellectual kind of ignorance.

>> No.20913454

>>20911623
Why does Dostoevsky make atheists seethe so much?

>> No.20913460

>>20913454
“And can one believe in the devil, without believing in God?” Stavrogin laughed.
“Oh, there are such people everywhere.” Tikhon raised his eyes and smiled.
“And I am sure that you find such belief more respectable after all than complete unbelief....” Stavrogin began to laugh.
“On the contrary, complete atheism is more respectable than worldly indifference,” Tikhon answered, with visible gaiety and good-nature.
“Oho, that’s how you get round it!”
“A complete atheist stands on the last rung but one before absolute faith (he may or may not step higher), but an indifferent man has no longer any faith at all, nothing but an ugly fear, and that only on rare occasions, if he is a sentimental man.”

>> No.20913468

>>20913460
Why did Stavrogin a hero?

>> No.20913908

notes from the underground was the only worthwhile thing dusty wrote

Brothers Karamazov
>muh long names
>muh weird patronyms
>muh dimunitives that don't make any fucking sense and make you have to go back three pages to check what character is being referred to
>muh im crying
>muh verbose poor people
>muh i'm so poor but i have a full time maid that lives in my house
>muh "gotcha" strawman arguments against christianity being disproven by humble geniuses
>muh annoying dad

Crime and Punishment
>i killed someone therefore i'm a philosopher
>i'm a detective but i like to think about religion constantly. you know how cops and detectives are all just secret poets and intellectuals
>muh whore with a heart of gold trope
>wahhh being poor and cold and dirty makes me sad. i bet if i get drunk it will make my life better

anyone who likes him is a fucking pseud

>> No.20913915

>>20911623
I don't go for the depressing ones
I stick with Gabo, positive Christian images