/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20898418]

>WHERES THE PRODUCTIVITY? WHY ARE DEPARTMENTS GETTING PAID 6 FIGURES BY DOING LESS THAN THREE HOURS OF WORK
>I’M GOING INSANE AAAAAAAAAAAA

I see this as an opportunity for everyone to leach the chaotic nature of the market due to excessive demand and government welfare jobs. For example, I work in IT and I do nothing but read and send emails and monitor “productivity” of other employees. I’m paid 80k a year dicking most of the time, People who shill this book like this comfy lifestyle needs to be stopped are coping Tradies or retarded leftists, who cannot for the life of them succeed in any system of commerce.

[Anonymous No.20898456]

> op knows his job is pointless and provides no inherent value to himself or society and copes that this is somehow ok because he makes a modest living
give it 5 years

[Anonymous No.20898463]

>>20898418
The author is correct and it will inevitably hit many retards in the future when they're replaced by an AI.

[Anonymous No.20898488]

>>20898456
I have no trouble keeping by myself occupied, I read articles and bring books for myself. So this isn’t a problem, I enjoy a job that’s easy and structured. So explain this: Why are people like you so adamant in informing the Capital owners that their wasting millions; if not billions, on these “monitoring productivity” gigs? why not treat this opportunity if not a simple way to make money to jump start your degree in sucking dick?

[Anonymous No.20898492]

>>20898463
But thats the thing, it won’t be. Because “more jobs” it’s also a political means as well. So more bullshit jobs.

[Anonymous No.20898495]

People who complain about capitalism mop floors or flip burgers because you cant reliably let them do triple bypass heart surgeries or build miniaturized naval nuclear reactors for the submarines. And they know it. Losers in capitalism would be losers in any other system. They would be gulag convicts if they lived in the 20th century behind the iron curtain. And they know this, deep down.
Engineers are doing all the productivity. Humanities professors, floor moppers and burger flippers havent increased productivity in 1000 years.

We are simply going to develop parallel economies. On one side you will have ghettos of adult daycare centers with office jobs, retards on welfare who complain about capitalism 20 hours a day on twitter, humanities graduates, government departments and corporations (same thing btw) with 1000+ employees, with mandatory hr department, diversity hires, etc. Unproductive and undesirable people in general.
They will be priced out of all the best cities, and they will live in the ghettos.

On the other side of this parallel economy we will have productive people. People who make shit. People who do shit. Heavy industry. Manufacturing. Mechanized agriculture. Construction. People in these fields will even develop their own currency so they dont have to mix with the population and suffer inflation from the people with welfare jobs.

[Anonymous No.20898513]

>>20898492
Youre a fucking retard who thinks the way things are now (ie economy/jobs) is the way things have always been. Read the 4th industrial revolution and get schooled nerd.

[Anonymous No.20898518]

>>20898488
Economy isnt competitive right now, so no one cares about it being bloated with parasites.
But what happens when America and China go to war, when Europe too goes to war over gas, Russia is already in some kind of meme war..
Governments are incompetent because they dont have to compete with anything, they are monopolies. Except when they go to war, then they compete among each other.

Basically your position is unsustainable welfare job bubble will burst when the wars start.

[Anonymous No.20898522]

>>20898495
remember you bum niggers are on /lit/, not exactly working class heroes. everyone here is a solipsistic fuck like this anon.

[Anonymous No.20898527]

>>20898418
>I’m paid 80k a year dicking most of the time
Am I supposed to be impressed that you're paid peanuts?

[Anonymous No.20898530]

>>20898495
>Engineers are doing all the productivity.
Not all of them are productive. Read the book.

[Anonymous No.20898536]

>>20898456
>complaining about not serving to his feudal masters in a broken society

Get a load of this goy

[Anonymous No.20898548]

>>20898513
>oure a fucking retard who thinks the way things are now (ie economy/jobs) is the way things have always been.
uhh no? High schooler much? this is 100% a new development. However, I don’t see this stoping anytime soon seeing how different the 21th century economy is compared to the 19 or 20th century, given how nobody in the US is a farmer of in manufacturing anymore. Truth is, you can’t just get your space gay communism, because people losing jobs is bad in general for political interests and for getting elected (which this book talks about), it’s bad for security. People like them aren’t risk takers, so political matters are subjected to the economy, they create useless jobs like diversity training and equality of outcome grants which gives a people mad easy latter to climb on and welfare jobs. Jobs like IT, Finance, and marketing are the high value jobs of the future, and they more or less less labour intensive then working in the coal mines. The economy is always political.

[Anonymous No.20898552]

Yes, ~90% of jobs are fake. But this isnt a good thing. This just leads to Zimbabwification of society and economy, picture related.

Back in the day you could afford a 3 floor house with white picket fence, 5 kids, and stay at home wife, with just 1 job in the car factory. You didnt even need a highschool degree. You could raise 5 kids and your wife didnt even have to work. This was called the American dream, I believe (im not from USA).
But back then all the jobs were real. You made fucking cars.

Today, you work in adult daycare called the office. You dont work for Ford, you work for some nameless clickview corporation (facebook, google, etc). You work an office job. Rent is 50% of your income, taxed are another 50%. You cant raise a single kid even with all the parents working AND the grandparents chipping in. Owning a house is a fantasy. Because no one is pouring cement out there, they are all babysitting excel files in the office. Babysitting excel files and gossiping and drinking coffee 8 hours a day doesnt produce any houses. There are no new houses. You cant buy a house anymore.

Meanwhile people in the real economy, mechanics and welders, they make more money than humanities professors make. They also own boats, at least where I'm from. Self employed tradies are millionaires (this doesnt mean anything anymore today, just owning a house makes you half a millionaire) and in my city if you need a plumber you go on a fucking waiting list like you need a liver transplant..
People in the real economy will simply separate themselves from the people in the welfare economy.

[Anonymous No.20898556]

>>20898527
Your injecting the copium into your veins here, also that’s not the point. That’s good money for the “work” I do there. You probably live in a city or something because your cost of living (plus taxes) doesn’t apply everywhere.

[Anonymous No.20898557]

>>20898552
>Back in the day you could afford a 3 floor house with white picket fence, 5 kids, and stay at home wife, with just 1 job in the car factory. You didnt even need a highschool degree. You could raise 5 kids and your wife didnt even have to work.
is this accurate or just from movies?

[Anonymous No.20898564]

>>20898556
They're coping, that is good money in America. Making $80k puts you around the top 20-25% of America. The top 15% or so makes 6 figures.

[Anonymous No.20898570]

>>20898557
It is accurate because you can still see it in people who do real jobs. For average aeronautical engineer working for darpa and testing jet engines, for him capitalism still works, because he still works. He does real things. He doesnt babysit an excel file in the office all day.

These people are just gonna switch to dealing with each other in gold dust or something like that, and avoid the hyper inflation that is plaguing the office/welfare sector. When dollars are given out like this for free, they will stop being used as currency...

[Anonymous No.20898576]

>>20898570
So capitalism is only doing mechanical work?

[Anonymous No.20898577]

>>20898548
>I don’t see this stoping anytime soon seeing how different the 21th century economy is compared to the 19 or 20th century,

Thanks for proving my point retard.

[Anonymous No.20898625]

>>20898552
>Meanwhile people in the real economy, mechanics and welders, they make more money than humanities professors make. They also own boats, at least where I'm from. Self employed tradies are millionaires

This is a meme. The trade job field is controlled by degenerate cost cutting Boomers who absolutely refuse to pay for anyone's training and will rather have a nepotism hire over some guy who got his certs and went to school but let's say you did get lucky and managed to get hired by one. You WILL BE REQUIED to have your own tools (don't let the /pol/tards tell you otherwise) to then do bottom of the barrel grunt work at job site for 2-5 years until you manage to sweet talk the supervisors into liking you so you can move up but then unfortunately your body will be shot from all the back breaking labor work. You will also be working with former convicts and burnouts literally getting drunk and or high during shifts which will influence you to do the same if you aren't already wrecking your heart with your 3rd can of Monster that afternoon.

But good news you managed to make it out and now you started your own small business but guess what. You're now in competition with these boomers and especially our current government that is hell bent against small businesses.

t. Former HVACR tech

[Anonymous No.20898639]

>>20898625
Why did you stop being a tradey wagey?

[Anonymous No.20898651]

>>20898518
Trying to predict the future is besides the point, as if you can. The simple truth, as in right NOW, is that this is the economy were steering in: “busy body” work, which harbors jobs of monitoring whatever productivity there is and other types of welfare jobs, and these offer generous salaries.

>Economy isnt competitive right now

The economy is always competitive, companies are competitive, people are competitive for work. It’s how Capitalism functions.

>But what happens when America and China go to war, when Europe too goes to war over gas, Russia is already in some kind of meme war..

Again, besides the point here. But i’ll humor you. The Chinese would eat shit. Because like the Germans, they underestimate the Anglo capacity for war. American and her euro and pacific allies would the mop the floor with those Chinks, and America would enter an economic golden age of influence and economic prosperity with a control China. Even when we lost in Afghanistan, my job still remains stable, because it has to be or else the Biden administration will eat shit. They have no choice. Security above all.

[Anonymous No.20898660]

>>20898625
you can find co2 welding gear for 200$ and learn off of youtube how to use it
you can start welding simple gates and cages instantly and make anywhere between 500 to a 1000$ a week
then you can graduate to just importing fire/security doors and similar metal elements from china and installing them yourself for 2000$ a week
no need for any convicts or 3 heart monster

[Anonymous No.20898685]

>>20898548
>Finance, and marketing
Those are pretty much bullshit sectors according to the book

[Anonymous No.20898690]

>>20898552
That’s ironic, because the less labour intensive your work is, the higher you’ll be paid. Tradies don’t make a lot, it’s just the facts, not everyone can make 6 figures.

[Anonymous No.20898693]

>>20898685
There's no such thing as a bullshit sector, only bullshit jobs.

[Anonymous No.20898695]

>>20898418
because we are in a planned economy where interest rates are set by committee, not the market.

[Anonymous No.20898700]

STEM phd's are the only legitimate workers in modern economy. The rest are pseudoworkers. If we had a worker's revolution, we would wipe out 99% of the population.

We are in a post worker economy. Whole society would do agriculture in the past, now its one John Deere (tm) satellite navigated tractor and combine.
Average coal mine would create a 50k people mining city in the past. Modern strip mining operation has 5 or 10 engineers on site. And we get 70% of our metals from recycling these days because mining too deep isnt profitable.

Pseudowork (jobs outside heavy industry) arent profitable. You cant own a house. Meanwhile 400 out of fortune 500 (the richest corporations) are started by engineers. They also lobby the government, fund all the parties, weapons industry is starting random wars, etc.

Basically you are not a worker if you are not in the heavy industry, and that field is 100% stem.

[Anonymous No.20898712]

>>20898660
Yeah and if you just buy a stock that'll get 3000% higher in price in 5 years I can just retire. Fuck off, dork. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.20898717]

>>20898418
The books point refutes itself. The truth is that our work load is less, that doesn’t mean we aren’t being productive, it’s simply less labour intensive.

[Anonymous No.20898721]

>>20898717
So the future would be pic rel?

[Anonymous No.20898729]

>>20898721
If you don’t work out and don’t have a life outside of work? Yeah.

[Anonymous No.20898734]

Nick Land is writing about how the means of production will liberate themselves. Liberate themselves from humanity.
Average human being useless just further proves Land.

[Anonymous No.20898737]

>>20898700
So are Tradies “pseudo workers”

[Anonymous No.20898747]

>>20898418
>>WHERES THE PRODUCTIVITY? WHY ARE DEPARTMENTS GETTING PAID 6 FIGURES BY DOING LESS THAN THREE HOURS OF WORK

Is this why America’s roads and infrastructure is so bad? because every building is an office while everything else slowly deteriorates because that’s where the “value” and economy is going? that’s what companies and people are paying for? People are dog piling to work in IT to be a professional email sending instead of a. construction worker?

[Anonymous No.20898754]

>>20898488
Enjoy your existential crisis when you will realize you are doing NOTHING that has value. You don't help people, you don't actually achieve anything, and everything you will do for the rest of your life will be pointless. You are actively working 7 hours a day for absolute naught.

If you don't realize how dreadful that is, you are either still immature or some kind of psychopath. A lot of jobs are boring but most of them serve purposes.

[Anonymous No.20898763]

>>20898552
People don’t pour cement because 1) they aren’t making lots of money, job growth is in STEM and medical, if they were payed more than everyone would just be pouring cement. But they aren’t.

And 2) Why do you think people go to college? to make a lot more money than a welder.

[Anonymous No.20898765]

>>20898747
A lot of the infrastructure relies and an unsustainable economic model, like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IsMeKl-Sv0

[Anonymous No.20898773]

>>20898495
I’m a lawyer who performs socially useful work and am also a Marxist, kys

[Anonymous No.20898775]

>>20898754
>Enjoy your existential crisis when you will realize you are doing NOTHING that has value

Sounds like you would hate becoming a business owner than.

[Anonymous No.20898778]

>>20898763
>this old boomer propaganda
Explain why average mechanic and welder make double of what average humanities graduate makes. You sound like one of those 60 year olds who is completely out of touch and even more completely out of job market.
"Just go to university, graduate from anything, anything! You dont want to be a welder!" well its [current year], you can only stack shelves at the supermarket even with a law or economy degree (situation in my city right now), you will never own a house, and average welder owns 2 of them.

[Anonymous No.20898792]

>>20898778
>Explain why average mechanic and welder make double of what average humanities graduate makes
Humanities? try any department, lol. Medical technologists mog tradies any day of the week.

t. medical tech

[Anonymous No.20898802]

>>20898792
Something is terribly wrong with your reading comprehension, I am talking about humanities degrees not medical degrees.

[Anonymous No.20898805]

It's called the Pareto distribution, retards. 80% of people are always going to be useless at anything other than keeping the system running.

[Anonymous No.20898808]

>>20898802
Reading comprehension? your trying to starwman me like i’m defending the humanities, i’m not.

[Anonymous No.20898835]

>>20898778
>" well its [current year],
Actually, yes it is. Because current year dictates that the current economic model values STEM, IT, and marketing than a fucking welder. The market growth is insane and your being priced out. No hard feelings, but you’re torturing yourself here busting your ass when you can get a potential comfy middle man gig.

[Anonymous No.20898849]

WORK, SLAVE, WORK! NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANNOT BE AN ARTCHAD YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR ME ALL DAY EVERY DAY, GOY!

[Anonymous No.20898852]

The longer I work in trades the more I feel that we ought to exterminate unproductive people. Receiving welfare - and I count corporate laptop jobs (daycare) as a kind of welfare - distorts the character. Because you know you shouldn't be doing this but it's the only thing you can do to avoid killing yourself. Listen to your average humanities graduate. They are neurotic, resentful, depressed, abhor and desire success - they do nothing but spread their poison to the rest of us who work, enjoy life, create value. They want to kill themselves, they sohuld be encouraged. Leave us alone

[Anonymous No.20898871]

>>20898418
I worked a job like this for two years and hated it. Rather than being actively involved in something that actually matters to both you and society, you’d rather just spend 8 hours a day dicking around? That’s your legacy?

[Anonymous No.20898880]

>>20898754
> A lot of jobs are boring but most of them serve purposes.
lmao get a load of this goy

[Anonymous No.20898887]

>>20898871
My legacy is at home outside of work— reading the greatest thinkers and scheduling future parties to see old friends and family. Work is a means to an end, you need something else more communal and heartwarming.

[Anonymous No.20898890]

>>20898852
sneed

[Anonymous No.20898895]

>>20898871
Yes because it gives you time to write as opposed to being a slave who "works" le big jew. You earn money, you do nothing at work, you get to write on the side. It's a win-win.

[Anonymous No.20898898]

>>20898852
>The longer I work in trades the more I feel that we ought to exterminate unproductive people.
I am productive, I just don’t bust my ass like you. Work smart not hard.

[Anonymous No.20898905]

>>20898871
Literally you had no life outside of work, thats your fault.

[Anonymous No.20898925]

>>20898488
>Why are people like you so adamant in informing the Capital owners that their wasting millions

Leftists intentionally or unintentionally shilling the statues quo will never stop being funny to me.

[Anonymous No.20898932]

>>20898463
Service workers need to be destroyed

[Anonymous No.20898937]

>>20898895
>>20898905
>>20898887
I was very involved in the arts at that time. Cope harder.

[Anonymous No.20898941]

>>20898932
Service workers are prols you moron.

[Anonymous No.20898945]

>>20898937
>was very involved in the arts at that time

You must have been pretty shit at it, you self loathing prick, lol.

[Anonymous No.20898955]

>>20898945
Tell yourself you’re “scamming le jooz XD” all you want, you’re still a bugman.

[Anonymous No.20898982]

>>20898955
>scamming le jooz
Rent free ;)

[Anonymous No.20898987]

>>20898418
>I see this as an opportunity for everyone to leach
You're retarded. Someone still has to do actual work for you to leach off of.

[Anonymous No.20898993]

>>20898987
That’s where you come in.

[Anonymous No.20899000]

>>20898937
then why do you whine? I don't get it

[Anonymous No.20899004]

>>20898993
kek

[Anonymous No.20899038]

Fuck bankers
Fuck lawyers
Fuck image consultants
Fuck HR department heads
Fuck PR representatives
Fuck marketers
Fuck stock brokers
Fuck crypto traders
Fuck real estate agents
Fuck landlords
Fuck tax collectors
Fuck actors
Fuck models
Get a real job

[Anonymous No.20899056]

>>20899038
>Fuck lawyers

First off, I'm a lawyer. I work 45-50 hours a week. And it's work. From the time we clock in until we leave, we are hard at work. Our productivity is measured in terms of attorney's fees, phone calls, lawsuits, cases resolved. If you do not produce, you will be fired.

The Tradesmen is also productive -- and they work. They really work hard. In the heat and in the cold. You can easily measure a tradesman's productivity. My brother does trade work, so I have some insight. I honestly have no idea what else there is to do here other than be a professional or a tradesman. That's it.

Here's a test: Can you easily measure the productivity of a certain job? If so, then you likely have a job that's worthwhile and valuable. If not, then you likely work a bullshit job. The measure of productivity should be easy, not difficult.

[Anonymous No.20899057]

>>20899038
>Fuck models
I wish!

[Anonymous No.20899060]

>>20898456
??? YES

[Anonymous No.20899067]

>>20899000
The deep bureaucratic corporate grind is soul killing. Like >>20898754 said, someday you’ll understand

[Anonymous No.20899068]

>>20899038
What about priests, therapists, psychics, personal trainers, life coaches, and tutors?

[Anonymous No.20899075]

I make 216k USD and do about 15hrs of work per week. Mad, wagies?

[Anonymous No.20899076]

>ITT are people who don’t work smart.

The seething is off the charts.

[Anonymous No.20899077]

>>20898552
Seething tradecuck.

[Anonymous No.20899079]

>>20899075
/biz/chad or vir/g/in?

[Anonymous No.20899103]

>>20898700
>>20898625
>>20898552
this is low IQ cope. To any young anons reading this thread know that those anons are low IQ, sad, stupid and have no idea what they're talking about. I know women who work at Google and make 100-200k a year or more. But copefags ITT will tell me that they're "bullshit jobs". Bullshit schmulshit, they're making money and you're a SAD POOR NIGGER.

[Anonymous No.20899106]

>>20899103
>I know women who work at Google and make 100-200k a year or more.
wtf what do they do?

[Anonymous No.20899120]

>>20898418
>We must stop workers from making a comfy living fellow Goy-
>I-I mean Comrades! only REAL workers dig in the coal mines.

[Anonymous No.20899133]

>>20899106
webdev

[Anonymous No.20899142]

>>20898556
>You probably live in a city or something because your cost of living (plus taxes) doesn’t apply everywhere.
Of course. Don't tell me you're an actual rural and suburban retard... bruh

[Anonymous No.20899152]

>>20899120
I'd send every single rich person to dig coal for 12 hours a day 7 days a week.

[Anonymous No.20899159]

>>20899152
I'd take away your NEETbux.

[Anonymous No.20899162]

>>20899120
1. You dumb if you still don’t understand this to be a bad development in an economy
2. This is old news. Phase two, so to speak, is underway
3. Nice side-boob tho

[Anonymous No.20899169]

>>20899162
>This is old news. Phase two, so to speak, is underway

Is this when you finally have sex?

[Anonymous No.20899185]

>>20899169
If you’re one of those WEF deniers, which you sound like, nevermind

[Anonymous No.20899189]

>>20899162
you're*

[Anonymous No.20899223]

>>20898552
>People in the real economy will simply separate themselves from the people in the welfare economy.
Anything involving licencing and certificates is fake economy by default.

[Anonymous No.20899268]

>>20898639
I just got tired of it. In all honesty a trade job is just as fake as an office job meaning you have to kiss ass just about the same but with bro types

>>20898660
>just start a side hustle
>just start a small business
>it's literally this easy which is why everyone else doing it
>what are permits, licenses, marketing, and taxes?

[Anonymous No.20899269]

>>20898552
>Meanwhile people in the real economy, mechanics and welders, they make more money than humanities professors make. They also own boats, at least where I'm from. Self employed tradies are millionaires (this doesnt mean anything anymore today, just owning a house makes you half a millionaire) and in my city if you need a plumber you go on a fucking waiting list like you need a liver transplant..
I dont know why people repeat this retarded talking point so much. You are lucky to make $50,000 a year in a trades position

[Anonymous No.20899294]

>>20898418
The real issue isnt that these jobs do nothing, it is that the purpose of the job isnt even worthwhile to begin with. Take facebook for example. Meta is one of the largest corporations on the planet, and yet their products represent a net negative to society. All it does is waste people's time and expose them to increasingly invasive forms of advertising (another industry with little to no social value). Once you start to consider social cost, you will realize that many of the major industries are basically economic parasites. As for wanting a job where you do nothing all day, if that is really all you want out of life then you have reached peak consumerist brainrot my friend

[Anonymous No.20899295]

>>20899269
It's literally all cope by low IQ midwits who barely graduated High School and had to resort to working labor jobs for the rest of their lives. You never see these college professors he talks about making videos online about how much money he makes or about his boats.

There's a reason why trade wagies push their kids to go into college and not help them get into the trades

[Anonymous No.20899323]

>>20898660
t. Pic related

[Anonymous No.20899324]

What even is a real job?

[Anonymous No.20899351]

>>20898418
Did graeber have a real job or a bullshit job?

[Anonymous No.20899363]

>>20898660
>you can find co2 welding gear for 200$ and learn off of youtube how to use it

Do you have any idea how long it takes to learn how to weld? Welders for example need to be taught about this in school before getting certified which leads to my next point. You need to be certified to have a home repair permit to work on people's properties. By the way this also includes you paying a year's worth of insurance.

>you can start welding simple gates and cages instantly and make anywhere between 500 to a 1000$ a week

Unless you're well established you will not be making this amount of meme money.

[Anonymous No.20899388]

>>20898925
Based logh poster

[Anonymous No.20899410]

>>20899038

FUCKING BASED!!

HELL YEAH BROTHER!!!

[Anonymous No.20899442]

>>20899152
Based

[Anonymous No.20899452]

>>20898495
Based and true;

[Anonymous No.20899485]

>>20898852
I don't support tradecucks. I fix everything myself. I put my roof on myself. I did the electric work myself. I did my floor and kitchen myself. Not because I can't afford it (I have millions) but because in my opinion people like you deserve nothing. The only way to justify your existence is to return to slavery and forced labor so people like me can own you.

[Anonymous No.20899502]

>>20898495
Status quo, just world hypothesis, milquetoast midwit take.

[Anonymous No.20899510]

>>20899485
How did you become a millionaire?

[Anonymous No.20899511]

>>20898852
>being mad at the world because your only options were working a trade job or driving a forklift for the rest of your life

You're a step above a janitor.

[Anonymous No.20899530]

>>20898852
Cope: The novella

[Anonymous No.20899537]

>>20898852
We get it you hate your job and wish you went to College instead

[Anonymous No.20899543]

>>20899510
I inherited some, invested some, and work for FAGMAN making 180k a year and have saved 90% of my money the past six years.

[Anonymous No.20899553]

>muh college
what's the point of college when all the factories are in china and all you can do is babysit excel file in the office, gossip, suck up to your bosses and other shit anon mentioned that doesnt require any education at all?

[Anonymous No.20899555]

>>20899543
That's cool. Are you a developer?

[Anonymous No.20899687]

>>20899555
Nope. MBA and work in HR.

[Anonymous No.20899696]

>>20899056
your "work" is interpreting retarded bullshit from other non-workers like yourself

[Anonymous No.20899706]

>>20899056
Hail, lawbrother, in nomine Iustitiae
Just for curiosity's sake, what area do you work in?

[Anonymous No.20899774]

People ITT are missing the point (probably because they haven't read the book). Not everyone *needs* to be a producer. We have developed technology enough to the point that not everyone should have to work to stay alive. Society should provide a baseline of sustenance for people and those who aspire for more can create work for themselves that they find meaningful. Contrary to popular belief, people actually like to do work (when that work is meaningful and contributes in a visible way). So yes, some would spend all day on their ass not doing anything, but those who wish to do more with their life will have the security to pursue things they actually find meaningful and useful. So instead of bullshit work others come up with for you to do, you would have more self-directed work towards a purpose of your choosing.

Its really just an argument for baseline social safety web that would allow for people to take risks and pursue meaningful ways to contribute to society instead of wasting their lives away doing pointless tasks.

[Anonymous No.20900087]

>>20899774
>Society should provide a baseline of sustenance for people

[Anonymous No.20900301]

>>20899774
>labor is a psychological need
>but I'm a fucking fatass and society should support me

[Anonymous No.20901049]

>>20898651
>The economy is always competitive, companies are competitive, people are competitive for work. It’s how Capitalism functions.
Japan called, they are bringing the Zaibatsu back

[Anonymous No.20901736]

Capitalism does have the problem of a negative feedback loop. Propaganda pushing the idea of consumption and if you don't have the money for said consumption, you're a loser. And it's been magnified even more so recently. If we went back to a culture that pursued virtues instead of material gain, we could go back to the time where you could buy a van for 10 bucks no problem and be well meaning endeavor to participate in any echelon of society.

[Anonymous No.20901743]

>>20899510
He sucked the dicks of every man in his family for pennies on the dollar

[Anonymous No.20901748]

>>20898941
Don't care. Cope, seethe, dilate faggot

[Anonymous No.20901750]

>>20899687
>work in HR for 180k
disgusting

[Anonymous No.20902649]

If I read this book will it teach me how to get a comfy job?

[Anonymous No.20902686]

>>20902649
As an anthropology professor maybe

[Anonymous No.20902745]

Is the point of this book that a city watchman is "a bullshit job" since 99 % of the time there is not an enemy approaching the walls?

Anyway, we live in a hyper-competitive economy. Companies and bosses that didn't create "bullshit jobs" would win in the marketplace and expand, and the companies that do use "bullshit jobs" would lose customers and go bankrupt.

If not maybe "bullshit jobs" is actually important. It's just that the managers, who see the bigger picture, see the use of "bullshit work" and "bullshit meetings" etc. but the mindless worker drones are too much of NPC to understand that these things are actually crucial parts of an effectively run company.

For example even though you never get "relevant information" in 9 of 10 of your office meetings, that last 1 in 10 of office meetings is the one you actually learn something relevant or make a connection, and you had no possibility of knowing you had to go to that exact meeting, so you need to go to all 10 meetings to get that one meeting.

[Anonymous No.20902749]

>>20898418
Other good non-fiction recommendations like this? Other books and philosophers like Graeber?

[Anonymous No.20902787]

>>20898418
He's correct in his observation of the existence of such positions but he's wrong about the causes and his solution is so ridiculous if you know what is his stated political preference(he's an anarchist) that you'd roll around laughing - see, he sees the government instituting universal basic income as a solution. Now you may be the kind of guy who says ancaps are not anarchists, but it doesn't matter(I just think all anarchists are silly) - what ancaps would point out is that all that it leads to is creating a swathe of people completely dependent on the state. Bravo!

[Anonymous No.20902791]

>>20902787
also btw I forgot to mention that - when asked if his job isn't bs(it is) he recoiled and started babbling about how many benefits there are in having people like him(was he anthropology professor or something? I think it was anthropology)

[Anonymous No.20902794]

>>20902745
>Is the point of this book that a city watchman is "a bullshit job" since 99 % of the time there is not an enemy approaching the walls?
no.

[Anonymous No.20902806]

>>20902791
Holy moly of cope. "Anarchists" are the pinnacle of bad decision-making because they can't adapt to society whatsoever, so their solution is just to tear it down. "Anthropology professor" is the kind of person who'd shill for anarchism.
Source: Went through an anarchist phase in high school

[Anonymous No.20902808]

>>20898495
>mop floors or flip burgers
Unironically jobs with highest life satisfaction, job satisfaction, and lowest residual stress

[Anonymous No.20902813]

>>20902745
>Anyway, we live in a hyper-competitive economy. Companies and bosses that didn't create "bullshit jobs" would win in the marketplace and expand, and the companies that do use "bullshit jobs" would lose customers and go bankrupt.
Just recently my company hired "sanctions and exports policy compliance consultant". It's not helping us to be any kind of more competitive at all, but rather, just avoids legal issues arising from not having it. Legal issues arising from for instance several US states adopting laws that for instance will prevent the capital gathered in let's say pension fund of teachers in Texas, being invested into companies that don't have anti-boycotting-israel policy. So in other words, a hedgefund that operates that money can't put it in a company that doesn't have this policy, even if it's profitable - obviously nobody would ever say "I don't have anything against Israel, but having an official policy like that is just too far, it has nothing to do with my company's operation" if that meant that Blackrock will stop buying his shares.

A lot of bs jobs(not all, has to be added - some are just a welfare programs masquerading as job handed to potential political supporters as a reward) are an artifact of other such multi-level cooperation between governments, lobbies, professional investors etc.

[Anonymous No.20902843]

>>20902813
But aren't these jobs that are caused by man being a "political animal" as Aristotle puts it. It's inherent to our nature that we structure or social and political relations according to the social and political structures that exist. Creating a job to tend to these relations that might have "realpolitik" consequences is not bullshit, but a necessity.

[Anonymous No.20902846]

>>20902787
well the unstated cause is as simple as this: capitalism is fundamentally irrational, a statement which Graeber basically proves and which goes against right-wing ideas in the manner of "the market will sort itself out". there is often an inverse correlation between the value people provide to society and the size of their paycheck.

by the way, cancelling student loans also sounded like a ridiculous solution a decade ago, when Graeber proposed just that in Debt: The First 5000 Years

[Anonymous No.20902886]

>>20902846
>cancelling student loans also sounded like a ridiculous solution a decade ago
it still is

[Anonymous No.20902900]

>>20902886
don't matter much what you think if it's being implemented in the world's largest economy

[Anonymous No.20902934]

>>20898418

If your job is basically already doing nothing, providing very little real value, then why shouldn't you just get paid to actually do nothing? The thing is doing something that seems useless is often actually harmful. I mean people don't seem to realize there are jobs out there that are actually making society worse. Society would actually be better if those people were literally paid to do nothing. This is just the kind of twisted world people have created

[Anonymous No.20902989]

>>20898456
>knows his job is pointless and provides no inherent value to himself or society and copes that this is somehow ok because he makes a modest living
Literally me. My job isn't even pointless but outright harmful and just leads to human misery.

>give it 5 years
In 5 years I will be retired and drinking cheap Pina Coladas somewhere warm with beautiful ladies.

[Anonymous No.20903066]

I'm just riding this wave of retardation.
I learned to code in a year and I'm making more money that friends with a PhD in Biology while I work 3-4 hours/day at most doing something that is ultimately meaningless.

[Anonymous No.20903302]

>>20898536
Ever heard of the Protestant ethic you Jew-obsessed pollack? Thinking your life has no value and meaning is the basis of nihilism not Judaism you braindead cunt

[Anonymous No.20904006]

>>20900087
You know, there is a good argument for it. If society is rich enough, why throw out old food when you can dole it out to invalid beggars on the street? Plenty of societies did this.
And modern society has essentially replicated this process with welfare, food banks, social security, disability. A UBI might make it more streamlined and efficient, but there are always winners and losers.

[Anonymous No.20904446]

>>20898754
Like he said, he reads books. It's like a paid holiday.

[Anonymous No.20904469]

>>20904006
>A UBI might make it more streamlined and efficient

Make what more streamlined and efficient? Eitherway, anyone who entrusts the govt. to both discern, via itself, how much a human "deserves" and how effectively they enact it should really examine both of those because it seems like worshippers of UBI think it would be all honey and milk.

[Anonymous No.20904578]

I believe the premise is not that there are jobs in which you do nothing and get paid anyway but that there are jobs in which you do a lot but actually most do a lot but those things which you do are basically frivolous and devoid of purpose.

[Anonymous No.20904693]

>>20898418
>OP leaches off a dysfunctional system for his own benefit
>assumes that because this system is "comfy" for him it must be good for everybody else
>herp derp why doesn't everybody else support my right to sit on my fat ass and do nothing all day?

Very incisive analysis, OP.

[Anonymous No.20904748]

>>20904693
>>assumes that because this system is "comfy" for him it must be good for everybody else

It’s only comfy for the ones who know how the game works, not how it’s “rigged”

You don’t take action, so others will in your step.

[Anonymous No.20904943]

>>20898418
>retarded leftists can't succeed in a system
>where some people just luck into advantageous positions, dick around, produce nothing and live well, while others go destitute
To succeed at a retarded system is true retardation, brother.

[Anonymous No.20905966]

Just become consultant. You get assigned to project that takes 6months-1year, then it ends, you go to bench, where you get paid for just waiting and reading books

[Anonymous No.20907265]

>>20902749
Came here for this and I just got seething.

[Anonymous No.20907660]

>>20898495
Office jobs have the best life satisfaction though. Working with physical infrastructure is usefull but it breaks people down rapidly

[Anonymous No.20907680]

>>20898495
Possibly the gayest post I have read in my entire life. If troll, 10/10, if earnest, kys.

[Anonymous No.20907695]

>>20898557
It is accurate, but it fallaciously assumes that the unprecedented and singular economic conditions of a post-WWII-west where america was the only country with a beefed up manufacturing sector that hadn't been bombed to shit, as well as an unprecedented technological advancement that benefitted all rather than took away their low IQ jobs, is somehow the normal state of affairs.

It is not. The boomers won the lottery. What they experienced has no precedent at any point or time in history, and thinking that it should be a natural constant from them and onwards betrays a profoundly idiotic, literally stuck in the 1800's understanding of history.

[Anonymous No.20907702]

>>20899295
>be tradie
>turn 40
>immediately become oxycontin addict in eternal pain because body is completely broken

[Anonymous No.20908315]

>>20898495
you make the same mistake the bullshit jobs guy does. you fundamentally cannot comprehend how value for society is generated outside of a 1 to 1 comparison with physicality. everything you mention creates something in this perfect vacuum. as if engineers, manufacturers, and farmers just exist somewhere in the ether creating. without the need for all those bullshit jobs you decry. from lawyers and accountants, to even lower ones like HR departments and government bureaucrats

>>20907680
laughed at the phrasing of this +1 updoot

[Anonymous No.20908346]

>>20898495
Humanities professors get paid 6 figures to write articles that no one but they care about. how are they losers?

[Anonymous No.20908446]

>>20898495
>muh technocratic society
won't work as long as women exist and men want to fuck them
also don't underrate the impact of hobbies and doing unproductive things for enjoyment's sake alone

[Anonymous No.20908906]

how do i get one of the bullshit jobs my job does real tangible things and it sucks

[Anonymous No.20908950]

>>20908906
Mountains of student debt loans to go to a prestigious university and be qualified to bullshit your way to one of them where you can be a debt slave till you’re at least 35 or 40

[Anonymous No.20908978]

>>20898792
What do you do and how much do you get paid?

>t. Chem degree

[Anonymous No.20909059]

>>20903302
>arguing about Abrahamic niggery

You worship a Jewish God.

[Anonymous No.20909459]

>>20898773
Say hi to your rabbi for me

[Anonymous No.20910066]

>>20909059
yes and so should you

[Anonymous No.20910073]

>>20898418
>some rich jew academic whinging about labor
Lmao

[Anonymous No.20910084]

>>20898418
Enjoy the decline bros, it's not that bad.

[Anonymous No.20910279]

>>20910073
>rich
You fool

[Anonymous No.20910293]

>>20898456
Why wouldn’t people want an easy job that pays them a lot of money? You have a lot of free time and have the financial stability to pursue your life passions. Nobody actually gives a fuck about “contributing to society” with their jobs unless they go for medicine or are from wealthy families. My ideal life in the future is exactly the kind of job OP has, working from home and dicking around for a few hours then spending my money on my family. Most work is redundant and soul-sucking. There’s no reason to spend your life on it.

[Anonymous No.20910306]

>>20910279
He grew up with wealthy jewish parents despite his claim that they were “working-class” considering his parents were unionists in leadership positions and lived in well-off communal housing that kicked out the real working class people so petit-bourgeois scum could LARP as socialists in renovated housing units

[Anonymous No.20910316]

>>20904469
UBI could only work if recepients are completely removed from political life. I bet most of the angriest, loudest retards would fuck off that way. Pay them to be quiet and fap to dickgirls all day.

[Anonymous No.20910376]

>>20898418
The real crisis these days is that Zoomers don’t work.

[Anonymous No.20910605]

>>20898495
I can tell you some 19 yr old HVAC apprentice making $18.00/hr wrote this post

[Anonymous No.20910618]

>>20898418
I've done like an hour of work a week for over a year and I think I just got a 7k raise. No one told me. Why do I even exist

[Anonymous No.20910661]

>>20910618
What do you do? And what degree do you have

[Anonymous No.20910680]

>>20898495
This is the plot for Player Piano by Vonnegut, anon.

[Anonymous No.20910693]

>>20910661
Webdev contractor, my team is all reporting and we only get informatica items, I'm supposed to be for java tasks but they get done by other teams so I just write qa documentation no one will read.
Degree didn't factor into it

[Anonymous No.20910826]

>>20910693
Why are you complaining about being paid for an easy job

[Anonymous No.20910850]

>>20910826
Maybe he feels bad about everyone else who works hard and gets a fraction of his pay. You know, like any normal human being would feel?

[Anonymous No.20910853]

>>20910826
>I am very intelligent

[Anonymous No.20911111]

>>20898495
Flipping burgers sounds like a comfy job THO?

[Anonymous No.20911125]

>>20898513
God I miss dying from dysentery at the age of 8

[Anonymous No.20911188]

>>20910306
You don’t know what bourgeois is. The upper prole class was a thing during the 50s and 60s. This isn’t what one calls rich, unless you lived in Zimbabwe or something. But you’ve tipped your hat enough. Leave me alone, burgerboy

[Anonymous No.20911194]

>>20910850
>>20910853
By all measures, being paid that kind of money for a leisurely job makes him obscenely privileged. Only a rootless cosmopolitan Westerner would be so much of a narcissist as to fucking whine about that. Any person outside the West would kill for that kind of job and that kind of money. If your banal privilege bothers you so much then use your money modestly or use it to help others that are less fortunate. Otherwise shut the fuck up and enjoy your easy wealth.

[Anonymous No.20911202]

>>20898495
You ok man? I've seen almost this exact same post on several different threads. You seem to hold a lot of hatred.
While I agree there's nothing wrong with skilled laborers getting paid more, I don't see why you hate unskilled workers so much. Someone still has to do these jobs.
Also there are plenty of useless jobs that earn a lot of money. There are plenty of trust fund babies that got some easy gig at their Dad's firm.

[Anonymous No.20911298]

Lazy people and bullshit job workers are the heroes of “le late stage capitalist” society. Modern day robin hoods stealing from villainous billionaires and giving to themselves.

[Anonymous No.20911301]

>>20898522
Most of 4chan is full of shits, /lit/ is the only place that has an ego about it though

[Anonymous No.20911715]

>>20898488
I get itchy if I don't feel like I'm contributing to people around me. I read a lot and exercise, have a family and strong relationship, but I feel a need to be contributive regardless.

[Anonymous No.20912850]

>>20911298
This, everyone should be like OP.

[Anonymous No.20913215]

>>20898495
>He thinks the factory worker is going to be tbe one living in the nice part of town
Oh oh hahahahahahaha oh no no no. Sonny, the lazy ass office worker who moves digits in the bank all day is the one whose going to be laughing at your poverty.

[Anonymous No.20913230]

>>20898685
People who think finance is a bullshit job are the types of people who think deflation is good for them

[Anonymous No.20913240]

>>20898852
>Hate success
You're the one seething at the laptop office nerds making 150k a year at the age of 22 while working for Goldman

[Anonymous No.20913321]

>>20898852
lol big deel I could get swole and lift bricks if I have too

[Anonymous No.20913330]

ITT hylics accusing other hylics of resentment and whining, while whining and resenting

So how to get out of this, like on a personal level? I'm pretty burned out in terms of consooming so I don't need that much money. Most of the time I read or exercise. What else to do?

[Anonymous No.20913335]

>>20913330
Lang Math

[Anonymous No.20913348]

>Work a 14hr day
>eat the bugs
>live in a pod
>just trust me you dumbfucks.
What a time to be alive

[Anonymous No.20913380]

>>20913330
The overwhelming majority of people spend their time after work consuming media. There's nothing else to do in life. Maybe they'll hit the gym a couple times a week eventually but Netflix and TikTok are where your free time lies.

[Anonymous No.20913398]

>>20913380
Yeah I know. Been there done that. I mean what is the alternative? I also tried drugs and women. But even that feels samey and it's always some kind of show and tell with everything.
I try to go out more recently, just walking, sometimes jogging but everything feels so empty. Sometimes I get real excited while reading, but I can't hold the feeling or turn it into something productive in a personal sense.

[Anonymous No.20913412]

>>20911298
>stealing
I think "the elites" know exactly what they are doing. They rob you of your time and power. First the middle class then the upper lower class. Everyone get's a job, housing, schooling, entertainment but noone can create, develop themselves or owns shit. Fake marxism with corporate overlords and everyone will be happy.

[Anonymous No.20913415]

>>20913398
The alternative is having a family and immersing yourself in a community but I understand that in the West this is a total pipe dream.

[Anonymous No.20913477]

>>20898495
>>20908315
This is the correct retort.

[Anonymous No.20913557]

>>20904748
"knowing how the game works" is relative. OP thinks he's a genius because he gets paid 80k a year sitting on his fat ass. But in a properly functioning society (one in which people's work time actually contributed to the improvement of human life) maybe he'd be making 200k a year and doing something more fulfilling and enjoyable than sitting in an office pretending to work. Currently, OP is the one getting fucked over so that some other gay can make significantly more than him doing far more rewarding things. OP thinks he's winning the game but in reality he's wasting his life and squandering his potential.

[Anonymous No.20913559]

>>20913557
He really isn't, you're just seething out of envy

[Anonymous No.20914523]

Society should focus on create on complete automation and advanced AI. Once we reach this point we can shift to an asset-owner economy - no one does any physical or repetitive labor. They simply own equipment and manage said equipment. You can own pieces of equipment in a factory, autonomous cars, etc. Their labor will produce your income. The really cool stuff is when they are able to create humanized robots. You'll essentially have robot slaves and you can order them to do whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.20914542]

>>20911188
Shut the fuck up, poorfag. You have no clue about american labor politics and your limp-wristed, recessed chin DYEL-self is in way over your head, you fucking sperg

[Anonymous No.20914594]

>>20904943
this is cope for people that wish they were successful. this society offers so many ways to make money, that the problem is almost always (you), and nothing speaks louder than money here.

[Anonymous No.20914610]

>>20902989
What’s your job? If your worried about doxxing yourself be vague

[Anonymous No.20914631]

ITT: Sociopaths trying justify their existence

[Anonymous No.20915505]

>>20899774
We basically already provide free food and shit for melanin-enriched people, go to a shitty black neighborhood or just interact with them and tell me with a straight face that this is a net benefit for society.

[Anonymous No.20916414]

>>20914631
Isn't that just mankind in general.

[Anonymous No.20916555]

>>20898552
What most people do not understand is the fact that there are 2 economies:

a) The "real" economy, that produces cars, houses, furniture, dentist services, Xrays, etc...

b) The "financial" economy with derivatives, bonds, loans etc...

Most indexes and mainstream media talk about the "real" economy, how more things are produced, the number of jobs created, etc.... BUT "forget" about the financial economy that is mostly controlled by central banks the amount of money that is printed, the interest rates, the way this money is going to be put in circulation etc.....

So what this brings is a total disconnection between prices, money and work, why are people working more but being able to afford less? .....inflation...... why are the stock markets so high when people do not see in their everyday lives these "positive rallies"? because the government itself is pushing these values (see the REPO markets), the process of debt creation (because the size of an economy is the amount of money available PLUS debt) , how this money is injected into the economy and how the interest rates are fixed are 1000% political desitions outside the reach of most people, outside their reality and comprehension and those are the issues affecting them.... why are houses so expensive? Because governments keep printing money, reducing the interest rates so the people who understand this borrow this money and invest them in real state leveraged...... why Am I working 2 jobs and still can make ends meet? Because the government keeps printing money increasing the prices of everything, is NOT that you are lazy or that people are not working towards the same goal, the issue is the government keeps pushing their "invisible hand" into the economy

[Anonymous No.20916751]

>>20898700
This post is partially true, is NOT that you need to have a Phd in a STEM field, is more than current economic rewards require the ability to handle A LOT of information and think abstractly, a programmer that creates a script that analyzes 3 more variables to increase accuracy in .001% may bring millions of dollars in rewards, and he will easily get pay 6 figures, while the plumber or the electrician is not able to have such a large scale reward.

Just think how many of the "self-made" richest people are tradesman, how many have at least a bachelor degree and how many are engineers.

[Anonymous No.20916866]

>>20898754
This is an underrated comment, most people have detached the job you make from the porpoise of that job, a job is NOT only money, it gives sense, porpoise, a way to feel you useful, to help others, now the work you make and the reward you received are totally detached from the effect you create on society..... and many many jobs pay so little (due inflation) and they are so detached from the effects they have on society (such as customer service) that people do not understand the crisis they are in.

[Anonymous No.20916870]

>>20916866
I never got a porpoise at work :(

[Anonymous No.20916918]

>>20898495
>And they know this, deep down.
and they dont care

[Anonymous No.20916920]

>>20898552
>>Back in the day you could afford a 3 floor house with white picket fence, 5 kids, and stay at home wife, with just 1 job in the car factory.
yeah that's being a beta cuck providing for a whore and her kids

[Anonymous No.20916939]

>>20898805
This is probably one of the most underrated comment of the entire thread, the 80/20 princpile is a law of nature..... no matter how much we try to hide it , there are people who are better at producing and accumulating ressources than others... protip this has a STRONG correlation with IQ.

[Anonymous No.20916955]

>>20916920
yeah, they frontloaded all the work by winning a world war

[Anonymous No.20917194]

>>20898871
Legacy, porpoise, higher cause are abstract (and unatainable) goals for most people...unfortunatelly.

[Anonymous No.20917454]

>>20898456
I work as little as possible
Middle class careerism
I work as little as possible
Bell curve.jpg

[Anonymous No.20918004]

>>20898495
and who will pay taxes in that enginner economy? who will be responsible securing funds for investments and starting new businesses? financial market is a lot of bullshit but it's the main way companies can start up and continue to grow
find me a Heavy industry. Manufacturing. Mechanized agriculture. Construction buisness that never needed a loan to start it, never needed to secure borrow money for further investements and it's engineers payed it's taxes and then redistributed said taxes
how do you suppose your country will pay for it's army? how will it pay for security from criminals? will they operate completely without any insurance, so they're just doomed if anything goes bad? people won't have insurance either so they are also doomed if they get into an accident. no government, so no police or any inspectors ensuring that the companies aren't pumping poison into your water supply or using cheapest most toxic products
>People in these fields will even develop their own currency
And who will issue that currency? Who will ensure there is no fraud by printing out fakes of it?

[Anonymous No.20918506]

>>20904469
>>20910316
>UBI could only work if recepients are completely removed from political life.
I like this idea. I've always thought about UBI as something that wouldn't work unless it becomes something very stigmatized in broader society, plus it should "remove" many of the rights of its recipients.
I didn't work this idea properly in my mind yet, but it would be something like this: if you apply to be a recipient of UBI, you lose your right to vote, you lose your passport, you can only buy things approved by the government that is "giving" you the UBI, you're considered low priority in ANY public institution that deals with citizens. You literally become a second class citizen. Even internet access would be limited by using only government-approved devices that monitor and control what you consume. Sounds absurd right? As it should be. People will opt for this hell voluntarily if they don't want to participate in the advancement of society by providing labour. The amount of money should be fixed, no matter how many kids you have (so it won't incentivize losers to have more loser kids), and you don't get ANY other help. If you decide that you won't contribute in society, that's OK, but that would be the price to enroll on the program.
All of the citizen's rights can be recovered if the person finds a job and renounces UBI for 2 consecutive years.
I'd be OK with something like that.

[Anonymous No.20919063]

>>20916866
>>20917194
Why do you keep talking about dolphins? Dolphins never gave me nothing. Like everybody's job is a trainer at SeaWorld or something.

[Anonymous No.20919093]

>>20918506
What exactly do you think the "U" in UBI stand for?

[Anonymous No.20919988]

>>20916939
I have a high IQ and a rigorous STEM degree from a top tier school and I have no interest in any gay jobs, much less working towards a "career". I'm neet and don't care, fuck society.

[Anonymous No.20920089]

>>20911111
this
if money isn't a serious issue working food service is fun and satisfying, its only miserable if you're up your own ass the whole time about how you need to be "someone important making six figures"
camaraderie is a damn good drug ngl

[Anonymous No.20920152]

>>20918004
the real question is who do they plan to sell shit to when they've rendered all other workers obsolete

[Anonymous No.20920156]

>>20898418
>For example, I work in IT and I do nothing but read and send emails and monitor “productivity” of other employees. I’m paid 80k a year dicking most of the time,
How does one get such a job?

[Anonymous No.20920166]

It's obvious that the west is rich enough to provide UBI for its citizens, but how do people who preach it reconcile the west's wealth being built on the exploitation of poor browns and yellows? Do they get UBI too or do we tacitly acknowledge that they're a slave caste whose labour would let us live like kangs? I'm totally cool with the latter option desu.

[Anonymous No.20920401]

>>20898495
Nobody tell him huge amounts of manufacturing jobs got outsourced to shithole countries with unskilled workers who provide all the labor for productivity.

[Anonymous No.20920407]

>>20920166
They are a slave class regardless. The only difference between now and a UBI situation is the handful of obscenely wealthy would become a tiny bit less obscenely wealthy while tons of people would live more comfortable lives. The endpoint solution for the slaves is a total overhaul of their countries' governments, not exactly something a random dude in North America can help with.

[Anonymous No.20920482]

>>20899056
Lawyers are parasites on society. They heavily lobby government to make more complex laws that laypeople can't understand anymore for the sole reason of making themselves more necessary. This has reached the extent that more than two thirds of my country's legislature are lawyers.

To prove that lawyers are essentially retards arguing pilpul over made up rules without any point whatsoever 90% of the time I will perform your "test":

> Here's a test: Can you easily measure the productivity of a certain job? If so, then you likely have a job that's worthwhile and valuable. If not, then you likely work a bullshit job. The measure of productivity should be easy, not difficult.

Let's say I have a job. The job is this: dig a 3ft hole in your backyard with a shovel and fill it in again. The more productive I am the faster I can dig and fill in the hole again. A "productive" worker can do this 16 times per 8 hour shift. A less productive worker can do it 8 times. I'm average and can do it 12 times.

It is really easy to measure my productivity (how often I dug and filled the hole) therefore my job is worthwile and valuable. See how retarded that is?

[Anonymous No.20920491]

>>20904006
This take alone identifies you as someone who is either still in some sort of uni/education or works for the govt.

If society is supposedly so rich shouldn't it be really easy to get someone to pay for your livelihood? This whole argument sounds to me like someone who hasn't ever felt the pain of working only for the government to steal more than half of their income (yuropoor here).

[Anonymous No.20920538]

>>20911111
quints of truth....

[Anonymous No.20920542]

>>20919988
The most based individual in this thread, to be qh desu.

[Anonymous No.20920768]

Why is this trash post even on /lit/ ? I like sperging about how our society corrals people into offices like cattle as much as the next guy but shouldn't this be on /pol/ ? You're going to get a lot of

> da joooos

on there but on the other hand OP already has

> >I’M GOING INSANE AAAAAAAAAAAA

which makes the post fit in /pol/ even better.

[Anonymous No.20920976]

>>20898570
>For average aeronautical engineer working for darpa and testing jet engines,
Literally a person working for a government agency getting paid by an act of congress. That's not capitalism.

[Anonymous No.20921285]

>>20899038
>Fuck lawyers
until you get arrested

[Anonymous No.20921292]

>>20920482
>They heavily lobby government to make more complex laws that laypeople can't understand anymore for the sole reason of making themselves more necessary.
oh no lawbros, we got sniffed out

[Anonymous No.20922622]

>>20898536
Such a meaningless point, 'bullshit jobs' are the ultimate, meaningless, urbanite job.

[Anonymous No.20922634]

>>20898418
Economic discussion on lit is absolutely retarded, lol

[Anonymous No.20923172]

>>20919093
Completely irrelevant to my point. Call it NUBI if you want, a Non-Universal Basic Income. Would that suit your brain better?

[Anonymous No.20923238]

>>20898418
>my job is bullshit, i acknowledge it is bullshit, i revel in the fact that i am getting paid to practically do jackshit, the fact that you would not want this job to exist means that you're coping
in essence yes that's what equality literally is, people who cannot get paid sitting on their ass complaining about it, just like every other system glorifies and justifies what works for whatever group it is directed to and coping / rationalizing / justifying why it is okay that some guy gets to sit on his ass to earn money and why that is just
people have an inherent need to justify systems when in the end all of the boil down to a very simple truth, kratocracy aka rule of "might", the only reason you have reasonable work hours is because of unions and striking, only reason a cushy job like that needs to exist is because bunch of unemployed people demanded that there needs to be jobs for people
in essence the entirety of modern civilization is just people trying to flex their "might" to be better off than they are now, that is the reason why amazon workers piss in a bottle and why highly unionized work gets paid top dollar despite being relatively cushy
the only reason we don't have equality is because people with high hopes don't want to ruin the system they want to sit on top of, that's why capitalism works because idiots think "well one day i will be sitting on the big mans chair collecting money being a majority shareholder and downing martini's", you have to sell the dream for it to work if people were truly pessimistic and practical occupy wall st would haven ever botched over some division group shilling
if marx was right about one thing it is that there is a class struggle, his solution was pants on the head retarded because he didn't realize what corrupted the original system he sought to overthrow, you don't fix "power corrupts" by giving power to a bunch of people who've never held it before and expect them to behave and be saintly, even the papal states were corrupt and the evidence of that is the protestant reformation being so popular in its days to still be around today
if at any point group x gains power and uses / threatens to use it they will be elevated accordingly, if you have power and don't threaten to use it / use it then you stagnate or even worse you get stomped to the ground to take it away from you
the whole idea of media manipulation and influencing is to craft a narrative where you believe "i am powerless, i should be happy with what little scraps i have", the moment you believe that you relinquish your power and you no longer are a factor to take into calculations
in conclusion: bullshit jobs exist to sell the idea that the company is beneficial / the system works

[Anonymous No.20923309]

theocracy justified it by saying "we are closer to god / more saintly so we know better, let us handle the big things you just be a good believer and do what we tell you"
monarchy justified it by saying "we were literally born for this, we have been groomed from birth to fulfill this role so don't you worry your peasant mind about it and just do what we tell you"
republic justifies it by saying "we the people have voted through this byzantine system with all the people eligible to have a say so you are in the minority about it so listen to the voice of the people and do what we tell you"
every system lays a foundation, tries to rationalize it and then proclaims itself the best, the only way to debate that is by comparison and every comparison has it's weaknesses because no system is perfect
you can have corrupt priests, you can have retarded or malicious kings, you can have democracy that is so byzantine that the people who are the true majority are either kept too stupid, threatened or some other way manipulated into voting against their own interests or the system can flat out be chopped into so small groups that the majority becomes a minority in the grand scheme of enough chopped down blocks

[Anonymous No.20923672]

>>20898495
>Engineers and mostly white collar jobs are real economy
>>20898552
>Tradies are real economy
Which is it????

[Anonymous No.20923684]

>>20898778
Why do you keep using the retarded humanities degree example when you KNOW everyone is talking about stem and medical? Are trying to be disingenuous?

[Anonymous No.20923715]

>>20898418
I dont mind my trade job, just want to get down to 32 hours a week once I'm a journeyman. Working overtime in this day and age is retarded boomer shit
>>20910293
Some people keep growing through life. Most stagnate. Some regress. It is extremely easy to find yourself in the latter camp if you barely work

[Anonymous No.20923740]

>>20898495
>muh productivity
get a load of this guy

[Anonymous No.20923843]

>>20918506
>People will opt for this hell voluntarily if they don't want to participate in the advancement of society by providing labour
lmao as another anon already said many well paid jobs actively degrade society

[Anonymous No.20923929]

>>20899687
>MBA and work in HR.
kys

[Anonymous No.20923947]

>>20923843
I understand. I avoided using the word "progress" but maybe advancement is not the best one. Not everything that "advances" or "progress" is good. There are many bad advancements and progresses in the history of civilization. Some done specifically to cause damage and degrade societies, other done by "good ideas bringing unexpected bad outcomes", from which one expects we learn from.
Still, in the context of providing "free money" to people who don't want to work, I think the point still stands. Labor is compensated by what the market decides is the correct value. Laziness is compensated by the bare minimum the government decides you should get to not outright starve, and you'll live in hell.
Anyway I have not really thought much about this as I mentioned before. The idea can certainly be improved.

[Anonymous No.20924235]

>>20898570
>>20898495
I just want to say I'm an engineer here doing cutting edge research stuff at the moment and I know for 100% sure that in the end I will have produced nothing for society.
Here's a /lit/ analogy:
>Publisher gets 3 writers to write one book each with the idea that they will be the first in the next big series, think Harry Potter.
>Promises 100k on completion of the first book and one of the authors will be picked up for a next-stage multi-million dollar contract.
>After the first 10 chapters are in the publisher writes the next stage contract and it clearly favors one of the author's works, to the point where there is no chance that the other authors have any hope of getting picked up.
>The other authors still must finish their books if they want the 100k but they know their books will go into the room from the end of Indiana Jones, never to be read again.
In this case my team is one of the other authors, doing cool shit but in the end producing nothing.