/clg/ - Classical Languages General

[Anonymous No.20895821]

>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>20852042

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/9o4QEIIK#P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg

>Mέγα τὸ ANE
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

All claims about language learning methods must be backed up with the language in question.

Ignore the trolls.

[Anonymous No.20895824]

Doing the JACT course in Greek. Loving it so far

[Anonymous No.20895847]

>>20895821
This thread has been claimed in honour of Darjeeling-sama. English is the best language in the world so ancient language threads should be about Old English!

[Anonymous No.20895867]

Brutus adsum jam forte
Caesar aderat
Brutus sic in omnibus
Caesar sic in at

[Anonymous No.20895926]

>>20895847
the only good post in /clg/ in months

[Anonymous No.20896008]

>>20895824
do the classes meet in person? i saw the address is at cooper union? it's only $350? where do i sign up?

[Anonymous No.20897103]

(bump)

[Anonymous No.20897138]

>>20895867
quid?

[Anonymous No.20897163]

Iam tres paginas athenazis legi. Nunc loquentes linguae Latinae contemno. Graeca multo melior est, Romani tantum barbari sunt et ut tales scripserunt.

[Anonymous No.20897165]

>>20895847
>does not write it in le olde aenglisch

[Anonymous No.20897217]

>>20897138
Shit Latin
>>20897163
sl;dr

[Anonymous No.20897218]

Imagine studying L*tin unironically lmao

[Anonymous No.20897274]

>>20897218
What's wrong with Latin?

[Anonymous No.20897337]

>>20897163
Ἀλλ’ ἀγνοεῖς ὅτι καὶ οἱ πάλαι Ῥωμαῖοι προῄρουν τὴν Ἑλληνικὴν τε καὶ πάντα τὰ Ἑλληνικὰ ἀντὶ τοῦ λέγειν καὶ γράφειν χρώμενοι ῥήμασι καὶ γλώττῃ καὶ λόγοις ἃν ἐκεκληκότες εἶεν τὰ σφῶν αὐτῶν ἢ τὰ σφίσιν ἰδία; ἀλλοί τε καὶ ὁ βασιλεὺς ὁ μάλιστα τετιμημένος αὐτῶν, Ἰούλιος Καίσαρ, πόλυ μᾶλλον ἰδίᾳ ἡλλήνιζε καίπερ ῥωμανίζων ἐν τοῖς ἑαυτοῦ γεγραμμένοις.

[Anonymous No.20897342]

>>20897163 #
Ἀλλ’ ἀγνοεῖς ὅτι καὶ οἱ πάλαι Ῥωμαῖοι προῄρουν τὴν Ἑλληνικὴν τε καὶ πάντα τὰ Ἑλληνικὰ ἀντὶ τοῦ λέγειν καὶ γράφειν χρώμενοι ῥήμασι καὶ γλώττῃ καὶ λόγοις ἃν κεκληκότες εἶεν τὰ σφῶν αὐτῶν ἢ τὰ σφίσιν ἰδία; ἀλλοί τε καὶ ὁ βασιλεὺς ὁ μάλιστα τετιμημένος αὐτῶν, Ἰούλιος Καίσαρ, πόλυ μᾶλλον ἰδίᾳ ἡλλήνιζε καίπερ ῥωμανίζων ἐν τοῖς ἑαυτοῦ γεγραμμένοις

[Anonymous No.20897350]

>>20897274
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.20897361]

>>20897163
Ἀλλ’ ἀγνοεῖς ὅτι καὶ οἱ πάλαι Ῥωμαῖοι προῄρουν τὴν τε Ἑλληνικὴν καὶ πάντα τὰ Ἑλληνικὰ ἀντὶ τοῦ λέγειν καὶ γράφειν χρώμενοι ῥήμασι καὶ γλώττῃ καὶ λόγοις ἃν κεκληκότες εἶεν τὰ σφῶν αὐτῶν ἢ τὰ σφίσιν ἰδία; ἀλλοί τε καὶ ὁ βασιλεὺς ὁ μάλιστα τετιμημένος αὐτῶν, Ἰούλιος Καίσαρ, πόλυ μᾶλλον ἰδίᾳ ἡλλήνιζε καίπερ ῥωμανίζων ἐν τοῖς ἑαυτοῦ γεγραμμένοις

[Anonymous No.20897696]

ascende

[Anonymous No.20898288]

do you guys practice audial comprehension? i have not dedicated any time to it and tried today to listen to a reading and i couldn't make out most things, kind of worrying.

[Anonymous No.20898342]

>>20898288
yeah i listened to a bunch of podium arts recordings after translating the texts in question. it's really hard to comprehend without "reading" the text in your head at the same time.

[Anonymous No.20898394]

>>20898288
>do you guys practice audial comprehension?
Which language? If there's audiobooks or youtube videos etc. available in it, just listen to them 10 hours a day, that's what I did with Japanese when I started learning that.
If I can listen to the audio track of the Kara no Kyoukai movies a thousand times, surely you can listen to some Jew saying "וַיֹּ֥אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֖ים" a million times, or listen to the Illiad enough times until you remember it like the Ancients did before some nerd got the idea to write it down.

[Anonymous No.20898508]

>>20898342
>>20898394
mostly greek, yes. the fact that different people use somewhat different pronunciations, like some pronouncing aspirated stops as fricatives and monophtongizing everything, makes it even more confusing.

[Anonymous No.20898769]

>>20898508
I haven't made up my mind yet if this is actually a big issue or a nothingburger. It's not like learning English is impossible just because niggers in Texas pronounce everything differently than pakis in Manchester do.

[Anonymous No.20898893]

>>20898769
problem with greek is that decent recordings (especially of attic) are too scarce. podium arts and julius tomin are the only ones that come to mind.
most people seem to rather give their last neetbux to ranieri than follow a proper pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.20900139]

today I reread 600 lines of Aeneid's second book I had already scanned
anons
what have you done today

[Anonymous No.20900206]

>>20900139
went to the doc got a mole removed

[Anonymous No.20900619]

>>20900139
I've been watching I Hate Everything's video on Destiny 2. Very good to have someone who says it like it is and calls out piece of shit long nosed video game creators.

[Anonymous No.20900667]

>>20895847
Okay.

[Anonymous No.20900782]

Hello, everyone. It's Ethiopianon. I'd like to profit off white guilt, especially if it means I can divert funding from the usual cast of characters, total pieces of shit, who profit off of white guilt. But I could use some help. I am specifically referring to obtaining grant money for an archiving project. I already do some archiving. However, my process is very manual, since I lack computer programming skills. I don't want to spend hours and hours learning programming languages, so I am looking for a partner. If anyone here has some interest or if you know someone who might be interested, I'd be happy to explain further; it isn't really secret. I just didn't want to hit you all with a wall of text without first gauging interest.
t. Ethiopianon

[Anonymous No.20900808]

>>20900782
So what, digitising ancient African texts with the funding for this project coming from a campaign reminding wypipo that they are responsible for slavery but can apologize by helping preserve BLACK BVLL culture? Or am I going the wrong direction.

[Anonymous No.20900942]

>>20900808
Wrong direction. It has nothing to do with cuckoldry. It's about exploiting the underrepresented cultures angle. It's true that Ethiopian culture is underrepresented, but I have no interest in scoring Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity points. However, the people who give out grant money do care about such things. I simply have found an amazing archiving opportunity but don't have the resources to tackle it all on my own. It also doesn't involve texts. Preserving Ge'ez literature is pretty well covered. It's video, so think something along the lines of Milman Parry but bigger and better. As I see it, the first phase is limited to Ge'ez, but the project could be easily grown to include much more.

[Anonymous No.20902620]

bump

[Anonymous No.20903062]

these budés editions are so nice. i'll have to learn french next

[Anonymous No.20903090]

ok so I've been doing beginner Latin shit like learning grammar, memorising some vocab, and looking at the simple sentences they use in textbooks and stuff to demonstrate the function of declensions and conjugations.

however, I feel totally uncomfortable trying to read latin and I can't even read simple sentences in a 'natural' way. so I'm wondering what is the absolute easiest authentic Latin text out there, and are there any tips and tricks to building up an ability to read the language in a natural way?

[Anonymous No.20903092]

>>20903062
It's the only modern complete edition, nice.

[Anonymous No.20903094]

>>20903090
What do you mean by "natural way"? We don't even know how Latins pronounced vowels...

[Anonymous No.20903106]

>>20903094
I mean where I don't have to spend time processing a sentence in my mind before understanding it, or internally translating words so that I'm basically only understanding the sentence in my native language. nothing to do with pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.20903171]

>>20903090
unironically consume more audio material from people like the bald man. Trying to understand spoken sentences forces you to abstain from puzzle method

[Anonymous No.20903214]

>>20903090
get a good textbook with texts specifically written for learning the language

[Anonymous No.20903568]

>>20903090
to give you an actual answer instead of meme replies ive found nepos short biographies to be comparatively easy texts to start, also from aquinas' summa it was surprisingly easy to pick out a lot of sentences though it's medieval latin
and also keep in mind that a lot of things are just going to go way over your head and its totally fine to skip those for now

[Anonymous No.20903616]

>>20903090
>>20903568
and as for the process itself: every time you successfully comprehend the meaning of a latin sentence, your level increases a tiny bit. so the goal is to go through a text and find those sentences that you can comprehend with just a little bit of effort, like looking up a word or two in a dictionary and thinking about the possible meaning of the sentence in the context of the text. and while i'm not saying grammar is pointless, there is a time and place for it - do not do dedicated analysis of grammatical concepts here, it's counter-productive when trying to "read naturally". if you come across a sentence that you can't figure out after looking up some words and thinking about it for a minute or two, move on to the next one.

rinse and repeat this and you will get good. this is how it works for any language btw, not just latin.

[Anonymous No.20904254]

they aren't kidding when they say the Iliad's biggest challenge is the vocabulary, ὦ Ζεῦ

[Anonymous No.20904329]

>>20904254
which dictionary are you using for homer?

[Anonymous No.20904353]

>>20904329
I'm following JACT's A World of Heroes through the 22nd book, using both LSJ https://lsj.gr/ and Logeion https://logeion.uchicago.edu/morpho/ , the latter especially if I don't recognize some form

[Anonymous No.20904371]

>>20904353
thanks, anon. have you tried cunliffes dictionary? it is supposed to be specifically for homer and at times its definitions differ somewhat from lsj.

[Anonymous No.20904397]

>>20904371
mmh didn't know about it but it does seem like Logeion contains entries from it among its various references

[Anonymous No.20904440]

>>20904397
didn't know about this website, looks very useful. thanks!

[Anonymous No.20904569]

What are the best Anki decks for grinding Latin vocabulary?

[Anonymous No.20904605]

>>20904569
the ones you make yourself

[Anonymous No.20904667]

>>20904569
Anki is absolutely useless unless you do the decks yourself.

[Anonymous No.20904749]

>>20904605
>>20904667
But, that's so much work

[Anonymous No.20904795]

>>20904749
it takes five seconds max to make a card, anon...

[Anonymous No.20904804]

>>20904749
Yeah, learning a language is a lot of work.

[Anonymous No.20904820]

Ubi sunt omnes qui de eodem libro nefando semper disputabant? Quo ierunt? Filum melius sine iis, sed etiam lentum et moribundum videtur mihi.

[Anonymous No.20904971]

>>20904820
understood your post feels good

[Anonymous No.20905840]

>>20904971
we're all gonna make it

[Anonymous No.20906142]

GREEKBROS, I would be forever grateful if someone could answer my newbie questions.
I got my hands on Luke Ranieri's spreadsheet of Greek paradigms. I plan on writing everything down by rote like I did with the Wheelock's paradigms for Latin, but I'd like to speed up this process a bit.
So my questions are:
Is it worth memorizing the dual of verbs, nouns and adjectives by rote?
Is it worth memorizing pronouns by rote?
It contains these verbs with the full paradigms:
λύ̄ω, λείπω, τῑμάω, φιλέω, δηλόω, δίδωμι, τίθημι, ἵστημι, ἵ̄ημι, δύναμαι, κεῖμαι, δείκνῡμι, εἰμί, εἶμι, φημί, γιγνώσκω, βαίνω, φαίνω, οἶδα, δέδοικα, οἴομαι
Does Ancient Greek really have 20+ conjugations or are some of these irregular (if so, which?).

[Anonymous No.20906282]

>>20906142
>Is it worth memorizing the dual of verbs, nouns and adjectives by rote?
after you are done with the rest; they are actually only a few more endings really, more scary than actually hard
>Is it worth memorizing pronouns by rote?
idk what you mean, but sure when it comes at least to the most frequent ones like in any language I geuss
>Does Ancient Greek really have 20+ conjugations or are some of these irregular (if so, which?).
the first large divide is between athematic(i.e those whose 1st person singular present active end in -μι) and thematic verbs aka basically the rest
the thing with ancient Greek is that there's basically a distinction between a verb's "real" root and the root it may have in the present, imperfect, perfect, etc.... and the whole "magic" so to speak is kinda learning by heart the peculiar rules by which you know how to place things together(unless you really memorize all 6 principal parts of every single verb, which would be overkill since plenty of verbs are regular enough to be able to conjugate them by only knowing the present root)
those verbs you quoted I would say are a good choice since they contain the kind of phenomena that you are going to encounter
λύω being the poster-boy for the regular verb whose stem ends in vowel with no weird phenomena going on, τῑμάω, φιλέω, δηλόω the poster-boys for present stems that contract in Attic and thus you either learn the contraction rules or the paradigms, λείπω I guess because it's a poster-boy for a verb where you see a root mutate its characteristic vowel in the various tenses through apophony, λειπ, λιπ, λε-λοιπ(think english run/ran, throw/threw)
δίδωμι, τίθημι, ἵστημι, ἵ̄ημι are extremely important athematic verbs because through their composites especially are very common
δύναμαι, κεῖμαι are also very common and are separated I guess because they have the particular phenomenon that verb endings attach directly to the root without vowels inbetween
δείκνῡμι belongs to a class of athematic verbs in -νῡ-μι that behave all the same
εἰμί, εἶμι and respectively the verb 'to be' and 'to go' so you can imagine how common these are together with composites
φημί is another important -μι verb
βαίνω, φαίνω these I guess show the peculiarities of verbs whose roots ends in nasal consonant and are also very common
γιγνώσκω is also very common and shows the typical behavior of some verbs where the present root shows both a duplication γι and the suffix σκ(inchoative)
οἶδα, δέδοικα are representative of some verbs which have a perfect form but with a present meaning, so you typically will see them in perfect/pluperfect/future(perfect), plus οἶδα is the most basic verb to say "I know", hence it's importance
οἴομαι I guess is frequent, idk if I'd have it in the paradigms

[Anonymous No.20906556]

This biblical Hebrew course is so good. I wish there were something like this for ancient Greek.

[Anonymous No.20906562]

>>20906556
forgot link
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq1vmb-z7PpQt2PDNUr7XOzBjWAOWf0Rt

[Anonymous No.20906638]

>>20906556
>>20906562
Damn, not into Hebrew but that's gotta be near 30 hours. That would be a lovely little project to complete over a fortnight.

[Anonymous No.20907686]

>>20895847
Who?

[Anonymous No.20907781]

>>20906142
you have the most "regular" one with λύω and then there's other regular ones that have their own rules, but there's still a lot more that is missing in this list. Important task to do while learning conjugations is learning euphony rules, then you spare yourself from being confused by seemingly irregular conjugations that are actually regular. In the long run the only way to be actually confident in knowing the verb system is reading through the Smyth entry for verbs and doing lots of drilling (since there are no real paradigms, drilling involves taking a random word and morphing around through tenses and moods, there are apps for this)

[Anonymous No.20907973]

>>20904820
shit latin. illi tum denique librum aperuerunt et, videntes tam turpem sermonem latinum esse, nunquam postea legere rursus voluerunt.

[Anonymous No.20908024]

>>20906556
>>20906562
You know there's a sister channel for Greek, right? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe0ilqwSO8XVnCw4m3UYC1Q
But I can't say anything about it, haven't gotten to Greek yet.

[Anonymous No.20908034]

>>20906556
>https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq1vmb-z7PpQt2PDNUr7XOzBjWAOWf0Rt
>>20906562
>>20906638
I love Beth so much bros...

[Anonymous No.20908282]

>>20895847
Inconceivably based

[Anonymous No.20908341]

>>20895821
Semper ubi sub ubi
Always wear underwear
:)

[Anonymous No.20909031]

>>20906282
>>20907781
Thank you, anons. These posts are really helpful.

[Anonymous No.20909465]

φίλοι φίλοι χαίρετε

[Anonymous No.20909484]

>>20897138
Old schoolboy Latin joke. Read it in a modern English accent.

[Anonymous No.20909704]

Has anyone used the Henle latin books? How are they?

[Anonymous No.20909726]

>>20909484
Brutus had some jam ?
Caesar had her hat
Brutus was sick on the bus
Caesar was sick ?

[Anonymous No.20909968]

>>20909726
Brutus has some jam for tea
Caesar had a rat
Brutus sick in omnibus
Caesar sick in hat

[Anonymous No.20910253]

>>20909704
I own them and i haven't used them yet, but they look really solid. I'm planning on using them after Wheelock's.

[Anonymous No.20910940]

losing momentum
gotta find nice ways to keep thread healthy
maybe the /lang/ type challenge ain't so bad
good night /clg/

[Anonymous No.20911036]

>>20895821
Anyone feel like adding me through discord and being my Latin tutor?

[Anonymous No.20912077]

/clg/ faggots. I told about Familia Romana to my latin teacher (an old spanish girl) and she just said that it is a piece of shit for children.
The thing is that she is right. Fucking grammar-translation method work pretty well. The LLPSI pretends to "jump" over the serious study of the grammatic and syntaxis, for learning a dead language without knowing what are you exactly reading or even writting. This thing about a "natural reading" borns after a few years of study and practice.
If you, anon, don't have acsess to a latin course, keep it up with the LLPSI + a grammar book, find out what is the synthactic function of every case in the declensions. But if you have the possibility to take traditional latin classes, it is the best option.

[Anonymous No.20912115]

>>20912077
you Latin teacher is just a vieja puta
t. Spanish knower

[Anonymous No.20912123]

>>20912115
btw we don't give a shit about lispi or any beginner course because we all finished it months ago

[Anonymous No.20912126]

>>20912077
>>20912123
Conventional classroom teaching is far too slow and spread out. It has to be paired with intensive self study.

[Anonymous No.20912127]

>>20912077
You can't even speak English, why would I care about your advice on any other language?

[Anonymous No.20912133]

>>20912115
She is a good woman btw
>>20912123
Ok, the message is for begginers anyways.
>>20912126
>too slow
I don't think that studying latin for 3-5 years is too much, or even an slow process. Great things are achieved with patience.

[Anonymous No.20912155]

>>20912133
as I said, we don't give a shit about any beginner book or method. fuck off with your baiting shit

[Anonymous No.20912336]

>>20912077
That's great. I used llspsi and a load of input afterwards for four months doing 8-12 hours a day and I then I translated a Latin book and made money. At the end i could read Cicero almost without a dictionary.
Grammar doesn't matter. Nothing matters except input. People hate this because it's true. Input is all that matters. YOU ARE GAY

[Anonymous No.20912346]

>>20912336
>four months doing 8-12 hours a day
>read Cicero almost without a dictionary
Is this supposed to be impressive? 960 hours+ to read Cicero? How embarrassing

[Anonymous No.20912364]

Fucking Latin niggers, they're truly the niggers of classical languages.

[Anonymous No.20912400]

>>20912364
Latin won tho

[Anonymous No.20912405]

>>20912133
>I don't think that studying latin for 3-5 years is too much
Doing one hour a day you would become relatively good in 1-2 years. 3-5 years is way too long

[Anonymous No.20912490]

>>20912336
based

>>20912346
it's not a race bro

[Anonymous No.20912546]

>>20912400
won how exactly? not even academics speak it anymore.

[Anonymous No.20912550]

>>20912336
What kinds of input? My plan was just to move onto the Vulgate, read then translate as much of possible when I have the time.

[Anonymous No.20912552]

>>20912546
Check out these characters + Romance languages

[Anonymous No.20912573]

>>20895821
requesting a translation of this verse
will reveal source

[Anonymous No.20912607]

>>20912573
I beg that every race of gods should rest
Greater just as lesser ???
I would like to speak out in the arts of Jupiter
Just as I had understood the old sentences of men

I couldn't figure out sati Dionysio, and I needed to use a dictionary for some words. There is a probably a better translation for elogia than sentences, but I was just trying to do a quick translation.

[Anonymous No.20912630]

>>20912552
Check out how Greek is still spoken to this day.

[Anonymous No.20912660]

>>20912607

interesting, it's the first stanza of Völuspá as translated in medieval Latin, ca. 1600, obviously retrofitted onto the Roman/Greek pantheon

>Hljóðs bið ek allar helgar kindir,
>meiri ok minni mögu Heimdallar;
>viltu, at ek, Valföðr! vel framtelja forn spjöll fíra,
>þau er fremst um man.

>Hearing I ask | from the holy races,
>From Heimdall's sons, | both high and low;
>Thou wilt, Valfather, | that well I relate
>Old tales I remember | of men long ago.

>Sileat quaeso Divum omne genus,
>Major ceu minor sati Dionysio
>En velim Jovis artes eloqui
>Vetusta hominum velutagnoram, elogia.

[Anonymous No.20912669]

>>20912573
here is an annotation explaining the word 'helgar' ('helgar kindir' = "holy races")
does it say something about being contrary to the Jews?

[Anonymous No.20912670]

>>20912669
'heidingar' = "heathens"

[Anonymous No.20912675]

>>20912550
Everything. Graded readers, Loebs, and Vulgate. Get a parallel English Latin Vulgate to make things quicker.
I would go
Graded readers
Cicero Loeb's (you need to get a taste for real Latin early on, even though it will be excruciatingly hard and slow)
Vulgate
More Loeb's for a few hundred hours
Back to cicero to see your progress.

[Anonymous No.20912829]

>>20912336
>for four months doing 8-12 hours a day
mirin' if true
What kind of book and into what language did you translated it in order to make money with it? How did you convinced someone to pay a guy who just studied Latin for 4 months?
Feel free to answer in Latin, btw.

[Anonymous No.20912879]

>>20912829
Self published. Made fuck all money, but it comes in every month. I would advise people against translating any book from Latin. I translated from Latin to English.

Do not translate a book unless you really want to, and are ok with making fuck all money. As in, so little money you'd be embarrassed to talk about it.

[Anonymous No.20912882]

>>20912675
So something like just moving between easy (Vulgate), medium, to hard (Cicero) texts? I also plan on translating eventually, just for fun really. That's my end goal,

[Anonymous No.20912903]

>>20912882
Ideally you want to progress from easiest to hardest. But Latin is different because of the difference in syntax between Ciceros Latin, and the newer medieval stuff. So they say you should hit the Cicero stuff early on.
Ultimately it doesn't matter, just get as much input as possible and you'll be fine. Get comfortable with not understanding 100% of everything you read.

[Anonymous No.20912970]

>>20912879
>I translated a Latin book and made money
>so little money you'd be embarrassed to talk about it.
which is it?

[Anonymous No.20913028]

>>20912970
The second statement elaborates on the first you pornsick iPad baby zoomer retard.

[Anonymous No.20913044]

>>20912490
Time is an utterly irreplaceable resource, doing things in a less efficient manner is unhelpful. You can complete a first year textbook in 3 months if you put 2-3 hours in a day.

[Anonymous No.20913045]

>>20912970
>literacy on /lit/
Oh, so that’s why this board is shit

[Anonymous No.20913052]

>>20913028
Ah, so little money it embarrasses you to bring it up but enough to mention when talking about learning Latin. Wait, why did you bring it up in the first place again?

[Anonymous No.20913249]

>>20913044
>You can complete a first year textbook in 3 months if you put 2-3 hours in a day.
so what's that going to do for you

[Anonymous No.20913297]

>>20913249
I'm not having sex, but thinking about it probably isn't related.

[Anonymous No.20913396]

>>20912336
based. I learned Japanese basically the same way (but investing several months into learning the script using Heisig's method) and made laughable amounts of money by translating pornographic Japanese comics into English.

[Anonymous No.20913409]

>>20912077
Your English is awful. Don't give advice on language acquisition, ESL filth.

[Anonymous No.20913420]

>>20908024
>17 lessons
the Hebrew one has more than a hundred, and Beth is a QTπ

[Anonymous No.20913440]

>only input matters
This is a bad idea. You can sometimes come off with a false impression of a language and not pick up on certain things. Don't forget that classical languages don't have more than their corpus, so you can't just watch YouTube all day like you can do in Spanish. And it's way slower when you only do input. It can take you years to pick up on a certain point that you could have understood in 5 minutes by looking in a grammar bokm.

[Anonymous No.20913453]

>>20913440
Only 1000 hours to read Cicero with a dictionary bro

[Anonymous No.20913504]

>ὢ πόποι , ἢ μάλα δή με θεοὶ θάνατόνδε κάλεσσαν ·
>Δηΐφοβον γὰρ ἔγωγ ’ ἐφάμην ἥρωα παρεῖναι ·
>ἀλλ ’ ὁ μὲν ἐν τείχει , ἐμὲ δ ’ ἐξαπάτησεν ᾿Αθήνη .
>νῦν δὲ δὴ ἐγγύθι μοι θάνατος κακός , οὐδ ’ ἔτ ’ ἄνευθεν ,
>οὐδ ’ ἀλέη · ἦ γάρ ῥα πάλαι τό γε φίλτερον ἦεν
>Ζηνί τε καὶ Διὸς υἷι ἑκηβόλῳ , οἵ με πάρος γε
>πρόφρονες εἰρύατο · νῦν αὖτέ με μοῖρα κιχάνει .
>μὴ μὰν ἀσπουδί γε καὶ ἀκλειῶς ἀπολοίμην ,
>ἀλλὰ μέγα ῥέξας τι καὶ ἐσσομένοισι πυθέσθαι .
who needs anime

[Anonymous No.20913568]

>>20913504
>ὢ πόποι , ἢ μάλα δή με θεοὶ θάνατόνδε κάλεσσαν ·
>>Δηΐφοβον γὰρ ἔγωγ ’ ἐφάμην ἥρωα παρεῖναι ·
>>ἀλλ ’ ὁ μὲν ἐν τείχει , ἐμὲ δ ’ ἐξαπάτησεν ᾿Αθήνη .
>>νῦν δὲ δὴ ἐγγύθι μοι θάνατος κακός , οὐδ ’ ἔτ ’ ἄνευθεν ,
>>οὐδ ’ ἀλέη · ἦ γάρ ῥα πάλαι τό γε φίλτερον ἦεν
>>Ζηνί τε καὶ Διὸς υἷι ἑκηβόλῳ , οἵ με πάρος γε
>>πρόφρονες εἰρύατο · νῦν αὖτέ με μοῖρα κιχάνει .
>>μὴ μὰν ἀσπουδί γε καὶ ἀκλειῶς ἀπολοίμην ,
>>ἀλλὰ μέγα ῥέξας τι καὶ ἐσσομένοισι πυθέσθαι .
ἦ*
τίς ἔκδοσις τοιόνδε ἐξήμαρτεν;

[Anonymous No.20913598]

>>20913568
εὖ γ' ἀγχινενόηκας· ἐκείνη

[Anonymous No.20913859]

>>20913598
ἐκλογή; τίς οὕτω εὐήθης ὥστε ἀργύριον διδόναι ὅπως τὰ ἄλλῳ καλὰ φανέντα ἀναγνῷ; οὐδὲν γὰρ οὕτως ἀνάξιον ὡς τὸ μηδὲ σαὐτῷ ἔχειν λόγον διδόναι τοῦ ὅλοις συγγράμμασιν ἐντυγχάνειν. οὐ γὰρ ὁ σόφος χρείαν ἂν εἶχε ἄλλῳ τινὶ παραθέσθαι τὴν αὐτοῦ διάνοιαν ὅπως ἔχῃ τί ἕλοιτο πρὸς τὴν αὑτοῦ μελέτην. ἀλλ' εἰ ἀνθολογίαις μάλιστα χαίροις, ἐν μέσῳ κεῖται Στοβαῖος ἐκεῖνος ἐπ' ἄκρον τῆς ἐκλεκτικῆς δυνάμεως ἀφιγμένος ὥστε σοι πρόκειται ὅ τι ἀρχαῖον ἀκροθίνιον σοφίας ἂν βούλοιο ἀνελέσθαι σαὐτῷ

[Anonymous No.20914062]

>>20913859
>ἀργύριον διδόναι
ἃ ἃ ἃ
οὐ μέντοι σοφὸς ἔγωγε, τοὔνεκα τόδε τὸ βιβλίον ἐξείλεγμαι βουλόμενός τινα ἔχειν ὠφέλειαν ὥς τι πρόυθμος ἀναγιγνώσκειν ἐκ τῆς Ἰλίαδος, μόνου φανερῶς ἄνευ διδασκάλου τὴν γλῶσσαν μανθάνοντος
μέρους τοῦ βιβλίου περὶ τῆς Ἰλίαδος ὅλως ἀνεγνωσμένου, κατὰ τὸ εἰκὸς διατελῶ δὴ τὴν Ἰλίαδα ἀναγιγνώσκειν

[Anonymous No.20914143]

>>20913396
Well done. Input is truly amazing.

[Anonymous No.20914204]

>>20914062
ξυνίημι ὦ φίλε. ἴσως βέλτιον τὸ διατελῶ μετὰ μετοχῆς συμπλέκεσθαι. ἢ τί σοι δοκεῖ;

[Anonymous No.20914319]

latin niggers
>discuss exclusively how to learn Latin
>no talk about actual literature
>no one seems to be able to write (and probably to read) Latin
greek chads
>they're able to write posts with more than two sentences in Greek
>never discuss the same retarded shit over and over
I feel ashamed of being a latinfag desu

[Anonymous No.20914619]

>>20914204
μμμμμ, τὸ νῦν βουλοίμην ἄν πρῶτον τοῦτο τὸ βιβλίον ἐπιτελεῖν πρὶν ἄλλα τινὰ ἐπιχειρήματα αἱρεῖσθαι
καὶ δὴ καὶ διὰ τρίτης ἡμέρας καὶ τὴν Ῥωμαικὴν μανθάνω
ἀλλὰ χάριν γέ σοι τῆς προθέσεως

[Anonymous No.20915090]

>>20914319
it's weird, it may be too because I guess there's a bigger gap between confidently writing decent Latin and e.g ability to read it
and those who are learning Greek are probably the most motivated in the first place

[Anonymous No.20915968]

>>20914619
ἀλλὰ τί τοῦτο πρὸς τοὔπος ὦ φίλε; φοβοῦμαι μὴ οὐ κατέλαβες ὃ εἶπον.

[Anonymous No.20916210]

>>20914319
è venuta

[Anonymous No.20916401]

Quid? ego Divinam Comoediam non Latine scribi non intellexi.

[Anonymous No.20916408]

>>20916401
please spend 5 minutes learning how latin pronouns are used with verbs

[Anonymous No.20916411]

>>20916408
What's wrong with using it emphatically?

[Anonymous No.20916413]

>>20916401
what is this supposed to mean?

[Anonymous No.20916533]

>>20916413
I think he means "I don't understand how the div. com. is not written in Latin"

[Anonymous No.20916594]

>>20916411
Because you sound like a retard.
It saying "I myself doth not understand the Divine Comedy"

[Anonymous No.20916598]

>>20916533
why did he use "scribi"? isn't it a passive infinitive? his sentence just doesn't seem right to me

[Anonymous No.20916600]

>>20916594
show us your latin skills, nigger

[Anonymous No.20916605]

>>20916600
I just did. If you're this offended at someone correcting what you've written then don't bother posting.

[Anonymous No.20916609]

>>20916598
I think he used it instead of "scriptam esse", meaning "it is written" (in the present as a matter of fact) instead of "it was written"; I can't tell if it correct or not.

[Anonymous No.20916613]

>>20916605
you didn't
you think you do know latin, but in fact you don't
>muh pronouns

[Anonymous No.20916619]

>>20916609
idk man his sentence just looks so wrong to me.

[Anonymous No.20916623]

>>20916401
this is not really gramatically wrong, it just doesn't make much sense. i think it means something like: >i didn't understand that divine comedy was not being written in latin.

[Anonymous No.20916636]

>>20916623
no, actually it does make sense, it's just that it implies that divine comedy's writing and person's not understanding happened at the same time, so it makes sense, but probably untrue.

[Anonymous No.20916763]

let's see some theoretical or rarely seen Latin/Greek words that also is a brand name

>Esso - "I is", "I exist"
>Stratos - "Flattened"
>Ex(x)on - "The Before"

[Anonymous No.20916786]

>>20916763
>Volvo - I roll
>Nike - νίκη, victory

[Anonymous No.20916792]

>>20916594
Yeah, because no one emphasis "I" or "you" in any context for some reason.

[Anonymous No.20916840]

>>20916763
BIOS - Life

[Anonymous No.20916869]

>>20914319
>nigri latini
>>quam linguam latinam discere disputant
>>nullus litteris loquitur
>>nullum scribere, et legere probabiliter, latine
>viri graeci
>>sententias plures quam duas scribere possunt
>>numquam re eadem stupida disputant
>verum pudeo, faggotum latinum esse

[Anonymous No.20916875]

>>20916869
>>nullum scribere, et legere probabiliter, latine
>>nullum scribere, et legere probabiliter, latine videtur

[Anonymous No.20916880]

I seriously hope you're not doing the inpoot method here. You guys are no better than redditors or the snake oil salesmen on YouTube

[Anonymous No.20916889]

>>20916880
What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.20916969]

[Anonymous No.20917221]

soooooooooooooooooo
can I learn both ancient greek and latin

[Anonymous No.20917241]

>>20917221
if you leave this place immediately, then yeah

[Anonymous No.20917400]

>>20917221
I think learning both at the same time is the general approach both in highschool and college. But maybe learning one after you got some moderate proficiency with the other is more efficient, since both share some grammar features that may be absent in your language.

[Anonymous No.20917440]

>>20917221
learn Latin first, then learn Greek using materials written in Latin

[Anonymous No.20917449]

>>20917221
Of course

It can help to learn Latin first since they have such similar structures, but I took both side by side and did okay.

[Anonymous No.20917469]

>>20917440
>using materials written in Latin
can you tell us what "materials written in Latin" did you use to learn Greek?

[Anonymous No.20917473]

>>20917241
/thread

[Anonymous No.20917536]

>>20917469
he's making fun of LLPSI readers

[Anonymous No.20917553]

>>20915968
συγγνώμην, ᾤμην σε βούλεσθαι ἐπιτήδευμά τι περὶ τῆς Ἰλίαδος ἅμα ἐπιχειρεῖν πρὸς μελετὴν τῆς Ἑλληνικῆς ἐν τῷδε τῷ νήματι

[Anonymous No.20917563]

>>20917469
I mean, I'm sure there's probably some such material from the middle ages/renaissance.
For a dictionary, there's http://lexica.linguax.com/nlm.php , which is actually useful when you know one of them and learning the other regardless of the method.

[Anonymous No.20918067]

>>20917469
the guy above me posted a dictionary, and beyond that there's shit tons of books that have a Greek original text and a translation and notes in Latin side-by-side.

[Anonymous No.20918159]

>>20916401
>ego Divinam Comoediam non Latine scribi non intellexi.

>What? I the Divine Comedy not in Latin I wrote not I did not understand.

[Anonymous No.20918176]

>>20918159
>What? I the Divine Comedy not in Latin I wrote not I did not understand
this sounds like something an old senile Dante may have said months before dying

[Anonymous No.20918210]

>>20918159
>scribi
this is a passive infinitive
>scripsi
is the perfect 1st person singular

but yeah that guy's latin is fucking awful

[Anonymous No.20918213]

>>20895824
Is it easy to learn?

[Anonymous No.20918768]

>>20918210
why don't you show us how it's done

[Anonymous No.20918812]

Aeneid book 2 finished
onto 3

[Anonymous No.20918895]

>>20918812
How long did book 1 take you to get through?

[Anonymous No.20918926]

>>20918895
idk to be honest, I wasn't constant and when I started I was definitely quite slower than now, plus I'm also scanning it through(that too took some practice), but at my general (slow) pace, some months
now I'm quite faster though, last 2-3 days I covered maybe 300-400 lines of book 2 with little real trouble, much depends on your level and effort, really

[Anonymous No.20919545]

[Anonymous No.20919907]

>>20895821
Alright you fucks, there has to be one of you who's willing to give me your discord/email so I can get a hand picking up Latin alone.

[Anonymous No.20919944]

>>20918768
You can read Latin without being able to write

[Anonymous No.20920124]

Rec me some romance manga in Latin

[Anonymous No.20920130]

I wanted to learn latin and old greek, but I'm already 26, just one more year and I'll hit the age where the brain starts declining.

[Anonymous No.20920137]

>>20920130
>just one more year
The brain begins to lose mass at 20
We're all going to die, anon, just start now

[Anonymous No.20920470]

>>20920130
Don't believe in pop-sci headlines that claim you'll suddenly become a vegetable after a certain age. I started Latin at 29 and I'm 32 now. I'm reading Ovid's Metamorphoses and I'll be reading Apuleius' The Golden Ass next. Stop making excuses and just do it.

[Anonymous No.20920652]

Narrat te, Chione, rumor numquam esse fututam
Atque nihil cunno purius esse tuo.
Tecta tamen non hac, qua debes, parte lavaris:
Si pudor est, transfer subligar in faciem.

[Anonymous No.20920658]

Classical Chinese anons...
I started... a month ago I think... I'm about halfway thru the Rouzer textbook, what should I use next?

[Anonymous No.20920664]

btw I tried to use Pulleyblank before Rouzer but got filtered by the English

[Anonymous No.20920668]

>>20920470
You are based.

[Anonymous No.20920711]

>>20919944
>can tell other people's latin is shit
>can't write a sentence and tell if it's shit or not

[Anonymous No.20920758]

>>20920652
>Tectă tă|men nōn| hac, quā| dēbes|, parte la|vāris:
>coperta non nella parte che dovresti fai il bagno
>tapada no en la parte que deberías te bañas
>Si pudor est, transfer subligar in faciem.
What's wrong with her face? I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.20920761]

>>20920758
peak autism

[Anonymous No.20920765]

>>20920711
Yes. Most people who learned Latin were unable to write in it. This is the same with all classical languages hence Dog Latin existing.

[Anonymous No.20920773]

>>20920765
In that case he isn't able to tell if other people's latin is good or not, otherwise he could just write a sentence several times until he sees it's correct.

[Anonymous No.20920775]

>>20920761
explain it to me then

[Anonymous No.20920782]

>>20920775
Chione is a prostitute but she has never had vaginal sex but only oral sex. So she is being made fun of for being shy about leaving her body naked while her most sexual part is her mouth.

[Anonymous No.20920798]

>>20920773
Yep. Peak autism opinions.

[Anonymous No.20920799]

>>20920782
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20920814]

>>20920798
I just believe that anyone who can't back up his claims is full of shit.

[Anonymous No.20920925]

>>20920652
>Si pudo|r est, trans|fer || subliga|r in faci|em.
>"Pentameter" may seem a slightly strange term for this meter, as it seems to have six parts, but the reason is that each half of the line has two and a half feet, the two together thus making up five.

[Anonymous No.20920935]

>Πτολεμαῖος ὁ Λάγου καὶ Ἀριστόβουλος ὁ Ἀριστοβούλου ὅσα μὲν ταὐτὰ ἄμφω περὶ Ἀλεξάνδρου τοῦ Φιλίππου συνέγραψαν, ταῦτα ἐγὼ ὡς πάντῃ ἀληθῆ ἀναγράφω, ὅσα δὲ οὐ ταὐτά, τούτων τὰ πιστότερα ἐμοὶ φαινόμενα καὶ ἅμα ἀξιαφηγητότερα ἐπιλεξάμενος. [2] ἄλλοι μὲν δὴ ἄλλα ὑπὲρ Ἀλεξάνδρου ἀνέγραψαν, οὐδ᾽ ἔστιν ὑπὲρ ὅτου πλείονες ἢ ἀξυμφωνότεροι ἐς ἀλλήλους: ἀλλ᾽ ἐμοὶ Πτολεμαῖός τε καὶ Ἀριστόβουλος πιστότεροι ἔδοξαν ἐς τὴν ἀφήγησιν, ὁ μὲν ὅτι συνεστράτευσε βασιλεῖ Ἀλεξάνδρῳ, Ἀριστόβουλος, Πτολεμαῖος δὲ πρὸς τῷ ξυστρατεῦσαι ὅτι καὶ αὐτῷ βασιλεῖ ὄντι αἰσχρότερον ἢ τῳ ἄλλῳ ψεύσασθαι ἦν: ἄμφω δέ, ὅτι τετελευτηκότος ἤδη Ἀλεξάνδρου ξυγγράφουσιν [ὅτε] αὐτοῖς ἥ τε ἀνάγκη καὶ ὁ μισθὸς τοῦ ἄλλως τι ἢ ὡς συνηνέχθη ξυγγράψαι ἀπῆν. [3] ἔστι δὲ ἃ καὶ πρὸς ἄλλων ξυγγεγραμμένα, ὅτι καὶ αὐτὰ ἀξιαφήγητά τε μοι ἔδοξε καὶ οὐ πάντῃ ἄπιστα, ὡς λεγόμενα μόνον ὑπὲρ Ἀλεξάνδρου ἀνέγραψα. ὅστις δὲ θαυμάσεται ἀνθ᾽ ὅτου ἐπὶ τοσοῖσδε συγγραφεῦσι καὶ ἐμοὶ ἐπὶ νοῦν ἦλθεν ἥδε ἡ συγγραφή, τά τε ἐκείνων πάντα τις ἀναλεξάμενος καὶ τοῖσδε τοῖς ἡμετέροις ἐντυχὼν οὕτω θαυμαζέτω.

[Anonymous No.20921222]

>>20920658
>>20920664
Seems you better change that to Classical Chinese anon my friend. (singular) ((You) are alone)

[Anonymous No.20921447]

>>20920814
that's swell. Meanwhile you still can't read Latin

[Anonymous No.20921460]

>>20921222
>You are alone
Trips don't lie.

[Anonymous No.20921501]

>>20921460
Stupid frogposter.

[Anonymous No.20921505]

>>20921460
Stupid Frogposter

[Anonymous No.20921510]

>>20921222
No, I'm here as well. I want to learn it but I don't even know where to start.

[Anonymous No.20921515]

>>20921510
Get the Rouzer book I'm using, we can be study buds!

[Anonymous No.20921551]

>>20921515
I'm sort of a lone wolf, but thanks for inviting.

[Anonymous No.20921928]

Will learning Latin help me learn Japanese asking for a friend

[Anonymous No.20922023]

若欲學古文者、即習之哉。吾始習古文時、以聖經譯。
https://zh.m.wikisource.org/zh-hant/%E8%81%96%E7%B6%93_(%E6%96%87%E7%90%86%E5%92%8C%E5%90%88)

[Anonymous No.20922050]

>>20921928
Some things may be similar actually. The use of accusative for direct object is similar to the お particle. Also verbs going at the end of a sentence is typical for Latin and mandatory for Japanese.

[Anonymous No.20922063]

>>20922050
Meant を, not お

[Anonymous No.20922504]

>>20921510
>>20921510
I learned Mandarin to intermediate then decided to learn Classical as well, so it’s way easier if you know a language that uses Chinese characters. Without the context of basic character meanings it will be harder to learn from scratch but not impossible.

[Anonymous No.20922524]

>>20922504
How quickly can you read passages written in Classical? I've just started and it's depressing having to drag myself thru it character by character.

[Anonymous No.20922641]

>>20922504
Cool, I also wanna learn Japanese which I believe uses the same characters as Traditional Chinese.

[Anonymous No.20922677]

The only reason to learn old greek is to read the New Testament. Plato and Aristotle were fucking frauds.

[Anonymous No.20922694]

>>20922677
how?

[Anonymous No.20922716]

>>20922694
They wrote about society and the matter but not about the most important aspect of life: religion.

[Anonymous No.20922840]

>>20922716
Are you sure about that? If you really do, then it sounds like you haven't read them at all.

[Anonymous No.20922846]

Could learning Old English improve my English or should I learn (modern) German instead?

[Anonymous No.20922848]

>>20922840
If you really are*

[Anonymous No.20922855]

>>20922846
Learning Latin or Greek would do more for your English than OE or German.

[Anonymous No.20922879]

>>20922855
English has nothing to do with Latin or Greek.

[Anonymous No.20922924]

>>20922879
Grammatically, yes, but English has so many Latin and Greek loanwords it’s like 58% of our lexicon. Most “formal” words are direct loanwords or Latin via French.

[Anonymous No.20922930]

>>20922879
What? The vast majority of words in English come from, or have roots from, Latin or Greek. It has no relation to them gramatically, but you'll greatly improve your ability to identify the meaning of new English words you come across.

[Anonymous No.20922953]

>>20922924
>>20922930
French is not Latin. You will never be a part of the romance languages.

[Anonymous No.20923406]

>>20922953
Your opinion aside, it's literally one of the major Romance languages.

[Anonymous No.20923447]

>>20923406
You have no gendered nouns, you have no conjugations. YWNBARL.

[Anonymous No.20923490]

>>20922716
if they didn't write about religion, then why did the Catholic church basically canonise them through their theology? Plato and Aristotle had almost as much if not more impact on Christian theology as the Bible mainly through two of the most important Christian scholars of all time, St. Augustine (Platonist) and Thomas Aquinas (Aristotelean)

[Anonymous No.20923502]

>>20923447
>He thinks French isn’t a Romance language.

Reading comprehension is tough

[Anonymous No.20924666]

καίπερ οὐκ εἰδώς ὅ τι ἐνταῦθα γράφω, γράψω μὲν τοῦτο ἅτε βουλόμενος τόδε τό νῆμα βύμπειν, ὧδε δὲ ἀκολουθήσω τούτῳ, ὃ ὁ εὐκλεής ῥήτωρ ὁ Ῥωμαῖος παρῄνεσε.

[Anonymous No.20924677]

>>20920658
I'd say keep reading it, but once you have a basic level 古文觀止 seems like a good basic reader.

[Anonymous No.20924683]

>>20921510
r/classicalchinese's wiki has some basic resources, as does Lexicity. Lexilogos also has some mixed in with its general 'Chinese' resouces.
>>20922023
That's not in very good Classical Chinese, though. Like, it's not abysmal, but it has Western and modern Sinitic influences. Better to read authentic Chinese texts.

[Anonymous No.20924686]

>>20922641
More or less. Japanese uses its own simplification of the characters, but it's less drastic than China's.

[Anonymous No.20925065]

>>20917553
ἀσύγγνωστος εἶ

[Anonymous No.20925164]

ὁ τοῦ ἑλληνίζειν πάγος

[Anonymous No.20925195]

>>20925164
qrd on
>the true meaning of παιπαλόεις
>Pythagoras being in two places at the same time
>Iamblichus floating
>The presocratics were time travelers

[Anonymous No.20925252]

>>20925195
>>the true meaning of παιπαλόεις
παιπαλόεις meaning isn't really known to us and we can only guess it means something based on context
>>Pythagoras being in two places at the same time
ἔτι μιᾷ καὶ τῇ αὐτῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἔν τε Μεταποντίῳ τῆς Ἰταλίας καὶ ἐν Ταυρομενίῳ τῆς Σικελίας συγγεγονέναι καὶ διειλέχθαι κοινῇ τοῖς ἑκατέρωθι ἑταίροις αὐτὸν διαβεβαιοῦνται σχεδὸν ἅπαντες, σταδίων ἐν μεσαιχμίῳ παμπόλλων καὶ κατὰ γῆν καὶ κατὰ θάλατταν ὑπαρχόντων, οὐδ' ἡμέραις ἀνυσίμων πάνυ πολλαῖς.
>>Iamblichus floating
τί δῆτα
μόνος, ὦ διδάσκαλε θειότατε, καθ' ἑαυτόν τινα πράττεις, οὐ μεταδιδοὺς τῆς τελεω5.1.8
τέρας σοφίας ἡμῖν; καίτοι γε ἐκφέρεται πρὸς ἡμᾶς λόγος ὑπὸ τῶν σῶν ἀνδραπόδων, ὡς
εὐχόμενος τοῖς θεοῖς μετεωρίζῃ μὲν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς πλέον ἢ δέκα πήχεις εἰκάζεσθαι·
>>The presocratics were time travelers
It has to do with the presocratic's very weird perception of things that has been often described as enoramatic

[Anonymous No.20925289]

>>20925252
Thanks! Where's that Pythagoras quote from?

[Anonymous No.20925293]

Quomodo quas vocales longas esse discere possum?

[Anonymous No.20925297]

>>20925164
>Jesus as Orpheus/Dionysus
By "Orpheus" do you mean Phanes-Protogonos as depicted in the Orphic myths?

[Anonymous No.20925300]

>>20925164
one up on the Plato's corpus line:
>Plato's dialogues are comedies inspired by Aristophanes. Plato didn't know Socrates and just subverted the one in the Clouds. Every dialogue includes numerous references to Aristophanes comedic plays.

[Anonymous No.20925326]

>>20925293
bald man has a video on this

[Anonymous No.20925446]

>>20925326
Id invenire non potui.
Lego alta voce libros ad usum tironum, quia cum apices (vel "macrons" anglice) scripti sunt. Quantitas vocalium sentire incipere censeo; sed dubito hoc facere pro omnis verbis, possibile sit.
Num aliquis, qui quantitatem vocalium bene didicit, hoc in filo adest? Si ita esset, quod fecisti ad has discendas?
Ignoscite me si prave latine scripsi, sed gratias vobis agam si peccata emendes.

[Anonymous No.20925459]

>>20925252
> enoramatic
What is this word?

[Anonymous No.20925633]

>>20925459
precognitive is the word I wanted to say

[Anonymous No.20925636]

>>20925289
Iamblichus' de vita pythagorica

[Anonymous No.20925710]

>>20925446
eas in memoria serva, nullo aliter modo possunt statim praenosci, videlicet radices verborum e.g līmin-, sermōn-, errōr-, nōmi-, non potes e.g praedire utrum sérmone an sermóne recta sit pronuntiatio nisi tenes memoria secondam syllabam esse longam
sane iam exempli gratia scis extare quoque verba sicut mālum quod a "malum" omnino differre modo quantitate primae syllabae mutata
exitus profecto ceu -ōrum, -ēs, -ās, atque pronomina sicut mē, tū, nōs atque adverbia sicut nōn, valde prodest sine mora memoria tenere cum incipis linguae operam dare
in verbis compositis quoque plerumque servantur vocales longae, exempli gratia praepositio dē longa manet in dēmoror, dēcernō, dēdūcō, etc...
heu ipse vero linguam primo cum discerim haec non habui curae, profuisset statim verba memoria tenere sedulo longas vocales mihi cavens, hoc feci confestim cum graecae studuerim, etsi facilius impetratu propter litteras ad hoc adhibitas

[Anonymous No.20925823]

>>20925710
>exitus profecto ceu -ōrum, -ēs, -ās, atque pronomina sicut mē, tū, nōs atque adverbia sicut nōn, valde prodest sine mora memoria tenere cum incipis linguae operam dare
>exempli gratia praepositio dē longa manet in...
Gratias tibi ago. Primum hoc faciam: discere haec frequentissima.
>hoc feci confestim cum graecae studuerim
Quomodo? Verba "dictionario" quaerebas, aut carmina legebas, aut discebas utens libris ad usum tironum? (probabiliter omnia earum agere necesse est, nonne?)

[Anonymous No.20925863]

>>20925823
>discebas utens libris ad usum tironum
hoc, cum primo inceperim, deinde(atque nunc vero quod adhuc tiro sum graecissator) quoque lexica adhibens, praecipue cum instrumento utor anglice "Anki", fortasse tibi notum ad verba memoriae imprimenda

[Anonymous No.20925888]

>>20925863
Rursus gratias tibi ago.

[Anonymous No.20925934]

when a word begining with the h sound, like histemi, is compounded with a prefix, is the rough breathing still pronounced? ἀνίστημι - does this read anistemi or anhistemi? wiktionary seems to suggest the former, but i remember encountering somewhere, may be in phar, that it is the latter.

[Anonymous No.20925956]

>>20895821
Anons... Are you registering for your Oxford translation entrance exams today?
You do want to dunk on kids in /clg/ with your big greco-roman brain, right??

[Anonymous No.20926039]

>>20925956
no, im not posh enough to enter oxbridge

[Anonymous No.20926334]

>>20925934
I mean I guess the (interesting) question can be quite broad since in time and space and ethnic subgroup the answer may vary. Latin does preserve the h in composites that end in nasals like ν, e.g in-habito and it inherited the H for this purpose from western Greek alphabets(which used it to represent aspiration). I would guess Greek at least at some stage did the same since other consonants do respond by becoming aspirated(κατα-ἵστημι => καθίστημι). This could be probed with western Greek inscriptions that used H for the aspirated sound. But also the fact that in Attic Greek the vowel aspiration remained eventually only as an initial diacritic sign makes me think that at some point they wouldn't pronounce it inbetween words except in the series of aspirated consonants.
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable replies though.

Just as a fun tidbit though, I looked through a version of the Iliad Ross G. Arthur compiled to be as close as possible to the archaic versions that circulated in ancient times, in particular, written in boustrophedic Attic script, which used the vertical Phoenician Het H to represent the aspiration sound /h/, and while initial aspiration is indeed written with this letter, the word ἀνιστάμενος doesn't contain such letter. So I guess this rendition is a clue, don't know how accurate.

[Anonymous No.20926395]

>>20926334
>ἵστον
*ἱστόν

[Anonymous No.20926565]

>>20926334
that's very interesting, thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous No.20927184]

>>20927178
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[Anonymous No.20927194]

>>20927184
wtf are you doing ~60 replies away from bump limit?

[Anonymous No.20927254]

>>20927194
nigga this thread is already dead

[Anonymous No.20927267]

>>20927254
what are you on about? 248 replies and last reply was just less than 3 hours away, which is good for this board

[Anonymous No.20927272]

>>20927254
so what? what makes you think a new one would be more active?

[Anonymous No.20927312]

>>20895821
ἀλλ’ ἔστιν ἆρ’ ὅστις πλούσιος (καὶ ἕτοιμος ἀδικεῖν) ἐκτημένος ἔνια τῶν εἰς τὸ ἀκούειν γεγραμμένων τοῦ Ἰοάννης Στρατάκης ὃς ἂν δύνοιτο ἐμβαλεῖν αὐτὰ εἰς τόδε τὸ ΜΕΓΑ; οὐ γὰρ οἷός τ’εἰμὶ εὑρεῖν αὐτὰ οὐδὲ ὠνεῖσθαι τοσούτων πωλοῦντος ἐκεῖνα τοῦ ἀνδρός.

[Anonymous No.20927732]

>>20927184
>>20927254
Retard

[Anonymous No.20927760]

nigri

[Anonymous No.20928338]

>>20927267
>one reply each three hours
>good
you serious my nigga?

[Anonymous No.20928350]

>>20928338
for /lit/'s board speed, that's fairly decent, especially for a thread that has been reaching bump limit nearly every time recently
it's why it's here among other reasons and not on faster boards

[Anonymous No.20928398]

>>20928350
>>20928350
you seem kinda mad was it because you wanted to create the next thread? lmao

[Anonymous No.20928415]

>>20928398
lmao

[Anonymous No.20928426]

>>20928398
thanks for the free bumps, you aren't worth much as a troll though

[Anonymous No.20928436]

>>20928426
lol you're mad as fuck awn did i ruin your thread little baby?

[Anonymous No.20928596]

sheeeeeit. Check this Mega out. I linked to the Semitic folder, but there's a bunch of different folders. I have yet to examine it closely, but it looks like there's a wealth of books there. The Latin and Greek resources look like shit compared to our Mega, but it looks like there's a lot of good stuff for the niche languages.
https://mega dot nz/folder/x4VG3DRL#lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A/folder/FpsiBS5b
t. Ethiopianon

[Anonymous No.20929402]

>>20904254
Get "Selections from Homer's Iliad" by Allen Benner; it has a full vocabulary, hapax legomena on the same page, and the selections are pretty substantial (all of books I, III, IX, XVIII, & XXII, and a lot of the rest). Get a used hardcover, not a modern paperback, though.
Also, Georg Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary for once you want to read more after tackling that.

[Anonymous No.20929434]

>>20912660
What odd equations- I'd have thought he'd stick with the traditional Mercurius for Óðinn, and Bacchus for Heimdallr is also baffling.

[Anonymous No.20929712]

>>20929434
here's the source if it peaked your interest
archive.org/details/Philosophiaantiq000411423v0EdduReyk/page/n15/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.20929795]

I was reading a book about poets. The author condemned all New Latin poets and said they were all bad compared to the Augustus ones.

[Anonymous No.20929892]

>>20928596
based

[Anonymous No.20929928]

Bona·ne prōnuntiātio ista, sententiā tuā, est?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=khiootdwfok
Nesciō sī bona, quia tīrō sum, at tamen bella censeo!
Dīc nōs quoque altera acroāmata latīna prōnuntiātione qua tibi placuit!

[Anonymous No.20929931]

>>20929928
>altera
alia

[Anonymous No.20930128]

>>20929928
>acroāmata latīna prōnuntiātione qua tibi placuit
nōnne melius
>ālia acroāmata latīne quibus prōnuntia, qua vōbis placuit, est
Nesciō sī ablātīvō uti possum sīcut prīmā sententia fecit.

[Anonymous No.20930132]

>>20930128
>sententia
sententiā

[Anonymous No.20930266]

>>20895847
Close, but Old Brythonic is better.

[Anonymous No.20930280]

>>20929928
Pronuntiatio ab II-III seculis est, ergo bona.
Recitator vocem Romae hodiernae habet ac genuina est.

[Anonymous No.20930357]

>οὐκ οἶδε ἑλληνιστὶ λαλεῖν
ὡς αἰσχρόν...

[Anonymous No.20930410]

>>20930280
>Pronuntiatio ab II-III seculis est
Quōmodo a prōnuntiatiōne classicā differt? Prōnuntiātiō restitūta mihi vidētur.

[Anonymous No.20930413]

>>20930266
>Elves are whit-ACK

[Anonymous No.20930604]

>>20930357
>οἶδε λαλεῖν
Ἀνώνυμε ἐγώ...

[Anonymous No.20930702]

>>20929795
they are

[Anonymous No.20931080]

>>20895821
Just found out that the Wagner fag was Luigi Miraglia all along

[Anonymous No.20931085]

>>20930410
"v" proxime est v italica anglicaque vero non aequalis (API: /β/ & /ʋ/ loco /v/ aut classica /w/). Idem /β/ pro b inter vocales, itaque "habere" loquitur quam "havere".
Ultroque quum celeriter loqueretur "ae" enuntiare quam "e" solet. Exemplum: Haec -> Hec ex 1:24

[Anonymous No.20931274]

>>20931085
Grātiās tibi agō, ea nōn senseram

[Anonymous No.20931385]

>>20930604
>ὁ ἀνώνυμος τοσοῦτο νοῦ ἀπολέλειπται ὡς τὸ μετοχῇ συμπλέκεσθαι τὸ οἶδα τοῦ ἀπαρεμφάτῳ οὐδὲν οἴεσθαι διαφέρειν

[Anonymous No.20931713]

>>20931385
shouldn't it be οἴεται instead of οἴεσθαι, since it is supposed to be an actual result?

[Anonymous No.20932131]

>>20931080
utinam Miraglia hīc nūgas vērē scrībēret

[Anonymous No.20932239]

My god this is so much more fun than gallic wars

[Anonymous No.20932385]

did anyone in the middle ages or renaissance write in ancient greek similarly to the ancient authors, like some did with latin? or not even necessarily in a similar style, just in ancient greek.

[Anonymous No.20932572]

does Greek have a comfy equivalent of latin's first supine?
I'd like to go hunting
vellem venatum ire
βουλοίμην ἄν ......

[Anonymous No.20933107]

>>20900139
jerked off to milf hentai

[Anonymous No.20933235]

>>20933107
saem

[Anonymous No.20933251]

>>20900139
The same thing I do everyday... Read my Loebs.

[Anonymous No.20933258]

>>20933251
I really wish Loebs would seperate their sentences more. I keep looking over to the over page to figure out what a word meant and then I can't find where I was supposed to be looking and get all jumbled up.

[Anonymous No.20933499]

Anyone have the Lord's prayer with macrons?

[Anonymous No.20933803]

>>20932239
what is it?

[Anonymous No.20933856]

>>20933803
*Quid est
FTFY

[Anonymous No.20933995]

>>20908024
>Biblical

[Anonymous No.20934055]

How do I pronounce -ās without sounding like I'm saying arse

[Anonymous No.20934121]

>>20934055
by pronouncing it correctly

[Anonymous No.20934342]

>>20933803
Plautus

[Anonymous No.20934510]

>>20931713
Even if we were to be so precise, I can find you dozens of examples where this nuance is not kept

[Anonymous No.20934513]

>>20932572
θηρεύσων ἰέναι

[Anonymous No.20934598]

>>20932385
Probably just asking about Western Europe?
Newton wrote in Greek.

[Anonymous No.20934667]

>>20933995
Testes tuos iam secuisti, evirate, cur etiam testam tuam non secas?

[Anonymous No.20934671]

>>20934598
no, not necessarily about west, byzantine writers or anyone else is fine too. thanks, are these greek writings available online? i checked Newton's wikisource, but couldn't find them there.

[Anonymous No.20934730]

>>20934671
Sorry, I don't know Greek (yet), so I'm not of much help.
> no, not necessarily about west, byzantine writers or anyone else is fine too.
Byzantine writers used Greek throughout time, of course, but I don't know whether their language is close enough to Ancient Greek to qualify for your question.
> thanks, are these greek writings available online?
These are his personal manuscripts, so you should be able to find scans online at Cambridge, but good luck deciphering his handwriting. No idea whether critical editions exists.

[Anonymous No.20934742]

>>20922846
I've dumped a couple hundred hours into Old English and I promise you it's not worth it. The corpus is garbage and it is a very difficult language, even if you already know English. It also won't help your English vocabulary: the major literary dialect (West-Saxon) isn't even the direct ancestor of modern English (Anglian). Of that, only 15% of the vocabulary survived, and it's all either elementary school words or obscure English dialects. Don't bother. Get an edition of Beowulf with a basic grammar, facing translation, and glossary and you'll be set for life on Old English.

[Anonymous No.20934790]

>>20895824
Does anyone know if there are digital flashcards for the JACT course vocabulary? E.g. for Anki

[Anonymous No.20934893]

>>20934730
thanks

[Anonymous No.20934956]

>>20934742
>Germ*nics btfo
Nords really are albino chimps. Unironically learn Ethiopic instead.

[Anonymous No.20935049]

>>20934742
You're telling me it's not worth it to learn the language of uncivilized, hut-dwelling barbarians that only produced one (1) half acceptable literary work? What a surprise

[Anonymous No.20935067]

>>20934742
Anon discovers the only dead language worth studying is Ancient Greek, Latin is alive.

[Anonymous No.20935082]

>>20934055
English "people" can't even speak kkk

[Anonymous No.20935179]

>>20934055
try to actually pronunce /a:/, since you anglos tend to pronounce /æ/

[Anonymous No.20935279]

>>20935067
What about sanskrit?

[Anonymous No.20935289]

>>20935279
Still alive. There are areas in India where it's spoken natively. Also it's still used by Hindus for prayers.

[Anonymous No.20935299]

>>20935279
Sanskrit is to Greek, what Classical Chinese is to Latin. The only thing else that's worth learning from a utilitarian perspective is Arabic.

Now if you aren't a utilitarian, there's Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic, Ethiopic, Turkish, Persian, Avestan, etc...Generally speaking the northern European languages are garbage and have nothing to read; Gothic, OE, Norse, OE Slavic, Church Slavonic. Trash.

[Anonymous No.20935303]

>>20935279
Poo

[Anonymous No.20935315]

>>20935299
what a brainlet take

[Anonymous No.20935320]

>>20935315
You didn't actually refute anything that I said, which is reassuring that the only brainlet here is you.

[Anonymous No.20935333]

>>20934742
Old English chads this can't be true...can it?

[Anonymous No.20935361]

>>20935333
I'd rather learn Classical Mayan glyphs

[Anonymous No.20935422]

>>20935299
>Sanskrit is to Greek, what Classical Chinese is to Latin
What is that sopposed to mean

[Anonymous No.20935431]

>>20935422
Sanskrit and Greek are the older and richer languages. The poetry, mythology, and philosophy is better. A lot of Classical Chinese is translations of Sanskrit, and the original stuff is usually not as good, but still worth reading - similar to Latin compared to Greek.

[Anonymous No.20935471]

>>20935470
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[Anonymous No.20935484]

>>20935431
>A lot of Classical Chinese is translations of Sanskrit, and the original stuff is usually not as good,
so you know both classical chinese and sanskrit?