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so if im understanding this right, heidegger interprets plato as being to origin of onto-theology, or is the onto-theologicial interpretation of plato a misguided one by his view? like plato got the presocratics wrong and then that was the basis of his project?

>> No.20889643

>>20889612
Heidegger couldn't make sense out of Plato. He's very clear about this. Not because he was modest but because Plato doesn't make sense.

>> No.20889649

>>20889612
The former.

>> No.20889664

>>20889612
>onto-theology
aka WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO MAKE SENSE!?!?! ;_; all these mathematicians are telling me that they're making sense but they're reducing my poor beautiful Germany into a standing reserve of undifferentiated carbon ;_;
>he never realized that Plato said that the truth exists beyond mathematics because he was stuck with a retarded Hegelian-era reading of Plato

>> No.20889729

>>20889612
I think it's easy to read Heidegger in a very fragmentary way and indulge the death of the author by reading, especially with the enormous volume of his works, about certain ideas a lot and about others not at all, and those ideas being in the oddest relations to S&Z and whatever and whenever he does the Kehre.
It doesn't help that Heidegger's thought spans forty-three decades but the only organized work is from the very beginning and while the main reference point has to be entirely revised... umgekehrt for understanding his later and complete thought.

>> No.20890191

>>20889612
This picture makes him look like Walt Disney

>> No.20890411

>>20890191
Disney is the grounding of Being.

>> No.20890426

>>20889612
Who the fuck is heidegger

>> No.20891564

>>20889643
So he was filtered by the Greeks

>> No.20891774

Can someone explain ontotheology in light of his essay on a Plato’s Doctrine of Truth? It feels like he’s trying to explain Plato in the same way as he does presocratics here.

>> No.20891808

>>20889612
>>20889643
>>20889664
Heidegger's estimation of Plato grew as he got older, especially post-turn, and he denied his previous statement of Plato causing any 'decline'.

>> No.20891818

Lol is that Hitler? That's Hitler right?

>> No.20891828

>>20891808
>>20889643
Plato started and "ended" philosophy. Many philosophers can't cope with this.

Fax.

>> No.20891849

>>20889643
Heidegger doesn't make sense

>> No.20892164

>>20891849
only because sense is inferior to egghider

>> No.20892193

>>20891808
When exactly does this occur? After intro to metaphysics?

>> No.20892572

Bump

>> No.20893676

>>20891849
He liked Hitler and was redpilled

>> No.20893938

>>20891808
Prove it

>>20889729
Have any scholars attempted to organize his work to resemble a cohesive conclusion or at least the development toward one?

>> No.20894581

>>20893676
I liked Vaush and am breadpilled.

>> No.20894598

>>20894581
Nonce

>> No.20894641

>>20894598
Ok and?

>> No.20894670

>>20894641
Nonce

>> No.20894925

>>20894670
Chud

>> No.20895108

>>20893938
Yeah, dozens have made that claim. I haven't found a single workable paper that was able to adequately explain, display, organize his work so that you could follow Heidegger from there into his work yourself.
Papers help. There's this Heidegger Handbook which is pretty good, but you're kind of stuck now if you want to get any understanding deeper than a good wikipedia article (the German Heidegger articles: Heidegger main page, Heidegger terminology and a cluster of special pages are very good) with just reading everything Heidegger every wrote. That sounds ridiculous but it kind of seems that way when you're almost chronologically going through the GA after finishing SuZ and it just slowly, very slowly begins to open up.

>> No.20895429

>>20891808
where does he write about this?

>> No.20896520

>>20889612
Any good modern contemporaries on Plato?

>> No.20897068

>>20896520
no.

>> No.20897587

>>20889643
>Heidegger couldn't make sense out of Plato.
And you know this how?

>> No.20897612

>>20889643
>>20897587
There's a point where Plato describes the process of glimpsing the Form of the Good as unpredictable revelation.
>It doesn't make any sense!
Because it doesn't have to. That's the point.