/wg/ Writing General

[Anonymous No.20873838]

Start here with the introduction of writing if you’re brand new.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

Curious on book editing? Start listening to these guys
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2HMTAGSYTeI

Curious on advertising your book? Start here
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg

Whatever you do don’t pick a retardedly niche niche subniche category to write in if you want to make this a career.

It’s recommended you write a book no more than 100 pages for a first book. It’s just easier to complete that way.

Enjoy the Gardner spam

[Anonymous No.20873863]

>>20873838
>Enjoy the Gardner spam
You would think /lit/'s "most famous author" would have something better to do. Honestly at this point I have to wonder if he actually wrote any of those books.

[Anonymous No.20873867]

moldy bread

[Anonymous No.20873870]

Is anyone actually interested or anticipating any books written by other anons from the excerpts posted?

[Anonymous No.20873873]

>>20873863
someone somewhere theorized he uses AI

[Anonymous No.20873887]

>>20873870
What excerpts exactly? There’s just been thousands of posts in these generals. If you mean the OP then it’s just basic stuff I posted. You need fundamentals before you can fly, you know?

[Anonymous No.20873895]

>>20873887
Excerpts from other anons posting their work.

[Anonymous No.20873915]

Does anyone else have a coping method for an inability to write on any consistent basis? Most of the time, my writing inches as a snails pace (three-four hundred words an hour), while when I'm in a good mood, I'll do ~2k/hr, or even more.

[Anonymous No.20873926]

>>20873838
People say "Lore can't be confusing or unrealistic" but meanwhile IRL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWmhRSAcWkI

[Anonymous No.20873942]

>>20873895
Oh, no. Fundamentally if someone is asking for help from this General they’re probably ngmi. I mean, why would anons seek non professional writing critiques outside of say, ARC readers?

[Anonymous No.20873955]

>>20873870
the one about the mediaeval gay hooker

[Anonymous No.20873957]

>>20873870
I'm always interested to read anon short stories and flashes. I have too many books on the go and don't have time for more at the moment.

>>20873915
Pick a place to write then go there every day at the same time and sit there for 20m, 30m, 1hr, whatever. Try to write the whole time. Even if you get 5 words or are just editing that's fine. The point is to train your brain through consistency that you have entered the writing time of the day. Then your brain knows to put you in that mindset, or is accepting of it, and it comes easy. When the mental transition into writing mode is easy, so is the writing.

[Anonymous No.20873971]

>>20873957
Thanks for the advice anon. I'll try to start doing that.

[Anonymous No.20873976]

old thread; OP's a fag: >>20867329

[Anonymous No.20873978]

Tried my hand at flash fiction/weird horror. What needs improving?

[Anonymous No.20873981]

>>20873978
Anon...

[Anonymous No.20874098]

>>20873978
I love it. Cover-anon should add it to the ffa.

[Anonymous No.20874184]

>>20873942
Beta reading? And non professionals have their place. They are the opinion of the masses rather than a single editor

[Anonymous No.20874192]

>>20874184
Listen, I don’t want betas reading my book.

[Anonymous No.20874222]

>>20873838
>started writing my shitty fantasy story 4 years ago
>yesterday out of nowhere i thought of a good name for my fantasy world
am i the only one who struggles with names?

[Anonymous No.20874252]

>>20873978

It’s fun anon. I’m not sure if you are young or ESL but there are quite a few errors. You should try printing it out and going over it with a pen. Good chance to practice some editing.

[Anonymous No.20874264]

>>20873838
I'm currently working on my third book, hopefully it will be released early next year.
Still doing promo stuff for the second book (pic related)

[Anonymous No.20874265]

>>20874264
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.20874380]

>>20874264
I hope you're doing a full length novel this time. Your writing is very good, but I'm interested in how you do with a full length one. At least a 50k novel

[Anonymous No.20874400]

New chapter out.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54100/wish-mountain

[Anonymous No.20874411]

>>20873870
yeah mine

[Anonymous No.20874437]

>>20874222
>good name for the fantasy world
unfortunately that has absolutely zero bearing on the story. people in your fantasy world would just refer to the world as "the world" or "our world"

[Anonymous No.20874458]

How do you sell screenplays? I'm not moving to California.

[Anonymous No.20874464]

>>20873873
>AI
There's no sign of intelligence in those "books", artificial or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.20874473]

>>20874400
Where is your story even going? It feels like a neverending word vomit just to put words on paper

[Anonymous No.20874493]

This is part of the opening to the novel I'm writing, still early days got about 20,000 words.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.20874502]

>>20874473
Guess

[Anonymous No.20874511]

>>20873870
>Jeeves Butler but between wizards story
>whatever Hell-anon does next. Saw a lot improvement/effort as that one went
>borderline homeless guy and his brother renovating the abandoned boat
>anything from the "artist's artist" flash fiction guy
>God help me, but I want to see what bucksneed comes out with

Most a probably abandoned/dead. I haven't posted anything in month or two and this general's population seems to cycle in that time so half of you probably have no idea who I'm talking about or what i posted.

[Anonymous No.20874522]

>>20874473
The bulk of the story's premise in the long term is promised in chapter 14.

[Anonymous No.20874535]

>>20874493
Run on sentence isn't a good start. Imagery isn't clear enough. You're putting in the intent of what you want to get across to the reader, but you've muddled it so that a clear, simple image doesn't form in the reader's mind. Would suggest learning how to pace out information better.

[Anonymous No.20874561]

>>20874535
Thanks, I did want it to be disorientating, as if there isn't a clear centre, but you may be right that it can be paced better/sentences can be shortened

[Anonymous No.20874566]

>>20873917
Oh, now I understand.
Same as the other anons I thought it was a recent event. In that case that amount of focus is right, I think. Just needs a better way to make it on the page.

[Anonymous No.20874587]

>>20873915
It sounds stupid, but you have to treat creative exercises the same way you treat regular exercise. Set a goal and stick to it, whether you feel awful or great.

[Anonymous No.20874591]

>>20874493
I like the run-on sentence, but what I don't like is a single sentence with three completely unrelated metaphors inside it. That's tacky.
Vantablack is a proper noun, like Kleenex.
You've gone too far striking all forms of "to be" from the text. Put some back in for clarity.

[Anonymous No.20874603]

>>20873838
Stop nuking the OP.

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Note to anyone posting a sample of your writing for critique:
>IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED A CURSORY PROOFREAD, DO NOT EXPECT TO BE TREATED KINDLY. EDIT YOUR WORK FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR BEFORE POSTING.

Traditional Publishing
Pros:
>you get to focus mostly on writing
>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them
>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs
>self publishing is basically like running your own company
>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readers
Cons:
>you make 10-15% profit max
>self publishing you make 70%+
>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anyways

Finding Agents
>https://querytracker.net/join.php
>https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>risky, but much more profitable
>you must pay for everything yourself
>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^･o･^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story
>Manga in Theory and Practice, Araki

For advertising
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg

AI-generated book covers
>https://nightcafe.studio
>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
>https://app.wombo.art/
>https://penguin.jos.ht/
>https://beta.openai.com/playground

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Other forums
>https://reddit.com/r/writing
>https://writing.stackexchange.com/

[Anonymous No.20874624]

>>20873838
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[Anonymous No.20874648]

>>20874591
Is that the first sentence you're referencing there? And yh I just like the way vantablack sounds as a word but you're right I guess. And yh think the balance is too far one way. Cheers

[Anonymous No.20874737]

>>20873838
>No more than 100 pages
In what font size?

[Anonymous No.20874748]

>get complemented on my prose
>genuinely not sure if the anon is being sarcastic or not

[Anonymous No.20874778]

>>20874493
As the first anon said it is very obscure what’s going on and not in a good way. There’s a lack of clarity and the descriptions you have are abundant but poor. I would suggest you take a knife to it and cut it down by half as many words and you might find something there.

[Anonymous No.20874792]

So are the unreal press podcast peeps in this thread? Thinking about applying to go on it. Most people that go on it seem nice enough, have halfway decent opinions on stuff.

[Anonymous No.20874824]

>Enjoy the Gardner spam

F Gardner is the gayest eceleb on this website. Fuck you guys for making him famous.

[Anonymous No.20874851]

>>20874748
You would unironically get better responses from reddit than here. 90 percent of this general consists of people who are talentless, bitter cunts.

[Anonymous No.20874856]

>>20874265
I’ll be blunt, this is a terrible cover. I would not buy this book.

[Anonymous No.20874863]

>>20874851
This. These generals have become daily F. Gardner hate threads.

[Anonymous No.20874864]

>>20874493
I like it, but then again I'm a weirdo who hates, hates, "clarity" because it fucks with my ability to warp the story to suit my preferences. Don't underestimate people who like stories that facilitate their imagination.

[Anonymous No.20874867]

>>20874400
Why are you shilling here anon? No one likes a shill. Fee embarrassed you begged me to buy this book.

[Anonymous No.20874870]

>>20874867
>begged
posted
>shill
sharing
>buy
It's free to read online

[Anonymous No.20874875]

>>20874863
Ironically Gardner is the main reason these generals even exist. There weren’t any “4chan writers” or generals of anons posting their work before/wg/ was established. Which was right when Gardner released his books.

[Anonymous No.20874877]

>>20874603
God look at all that shyte.
No thanks, I’ll continue to start a new OP as long as you’re trying to include all this shit.
Alternatively if you shortened it to what is necessary, I’d actually include it.

[Anonymous No.20874887]

>>20874875
I think that’s just typical and how it goes for every field. There’s always going to be jealous losers seething at the most popular guy in the room. This happens in literally every field on the planet.

[Anonymous No.20874888]

>>20874737
I’m going by word count.
320-340 words per page for 6x9, about 250 words per page of a 5x8

[Anonymous No.20874893]

>>20874824
Have you even read any of Gardner’s books? Call of the Arcade was fantastic.

[Anonymous No.20874918]

>>20874877
OPs are meant to be used for holding all those resources. It's especially better than the bullshit in the current OP which has a fucking CWC image. /wg/ should be fucking ashamed for migrating to this OP.

[Anonymous No.20874932]

Is it weird to have some chapters that are significantly longer than others? My first three came out in the 5,000 - 6,000 range, but my fourth is gonna be just under 7,000.

[Anonymous No.20874943]

>>20874918
I think the CWC image is supposed to represent F Gardner. Since he’s pretty much this board’s version.

[Anonymous No.20875134]

>>20874458
Get an agent that specializes in screenplays

[Anonymous No.20875148]

>>20874864
Thnaks.I'm kinda like you - I also think the lack of clarity works in a wider context because as the story goes it becomes clear what this is actually referencing and the specifics are laid out, so this is like a breadcrumb. However as others said I can probably afford to have some more clarity within the obscureness if that makes sense

[Anonymous No.20875155]

I need some help with this. Basically, one character is telling another "This is how much danger you were in." How does this sound?
>Do you know what you were up against? Do you know what would have happened if I didn't step in?
>No.
>Sit down and let me explain. A couple of months ago I sensed this weird thing in the astral realm. A guardian spirit from the Orient went crazy, manifested itself, and started absorbing people into a giant flesh monster. It killed the other two spirits who set out to stop it and absorbed their power.
>I don't see how-
>And, at the height of it's power, it was utterly obliterated by that thing that almost killed you. A guardian spirit that had eaten two other guardian spirits. Dead in three minutes. And you're not even worth ONE of them.
I need some help with the dialogue

[Anonymous No.20875161]

>This thread

Fucking hell lmao. Just get it all over with and start calling these /F Gardner/ General’s OP.

[Lalalalala No.20875168]

>>20874792
You’re a literal who. Granted so am I so yeah join the discord.
https://discord.gg/GqsmDHEuC6

[Anonymous No.20875174]

>>20875168
Is the this fabled Faggot Gardner tranny server?

[Anonymous No.20875175]

Self-serve advertising is no longer allowed on 4chan. What the fuck are we supposed to do now?

[Anonymous No.20875187]

>>20875175
It’s not? Holy crap. I guess that timeframe for getting a Call of the Crocodile level book out is over.

[Lalalalala No.20875199]

>>20875174
Seethe hard enough and it can be whatever you want

[Anonymous No.20875203]

>>20874888
But that changes depending on font size. I have no idea what size you have in mind. With 2 pt font sizes, you can easily fit at least 25,000 words on a single page. That makes for 2,500,000 words for a 100 page novel.

[Anonymous No.20875208]

>>20875175
God damn it, what? Why? Is this my punishment for procrastinating and forgetting how to write, assuming I ever knew in the first place?

[Anonymous No.20875219]

>>20875187
>F Gardner retires undefeated champion.

[Anonymous No.20875248]

>>20875187
you could still become the next Jason Bryan

[Anonymous No.20875268]

>>20875134
I didn't know those existed

[Anonymous No.20875269]

>>20875248
I miss Jason. He was way more entertaining than Gardner spam.

[Anonymous No.20875277]

>>20875155
goodness
>this isn't just one death star
>this is two deathstars!
>you were gonna get blowed up by two deathstars!
the problem you're having is you're actually, unironically having a gay DBZ powerlevel conversation and you're combining it with an exposition dump at the same time
liike, why bring up the astral anomaly that was eaten offscreen at all? is this some Dr. Strange fanfic where he's winking at the camera? if the reader knows about the astral thing you don't need to bring it up. if the reader doesn't it's a hamfisted lore dump.
Do you know how ghostbusters solved this particular problem you're having? They turned it into a joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzaQjS1JstY

[Anonymous No.20875303]

Went back and reworked on my body horror short

>>20874932

I guess depends how much content you have in them

[Anonymous No.20875306]

new title new cover. What do you guys think?

[nesmer !XfgPwJA7M6 No.20875318]

>>20875306
It’s nice, I like it

[Anonymous No.20875319]

>>20875306
The cover is fine, but that blurb... YUCK

[Anonymous No.20875335]

>>20875306
Not crazy about the font.

[Anonymous No.20875342]

>>20875306
I would redo the typography. New font, new color, maybe put your name over the boats. On the spine I would personally use a font with serifs.

>https://fontsinuse.com/in/1/topics/31/literature
This may help with some design ideas.

Also, be sure your cover image has at least 300 dpi. If it doesn't, when you go to print it out it'll look like a stretched out jpg with artifacting everywhere. You can probably upscale the image itself using free AI on the internet.

[Anonymous No.20875353]

>>20875342
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.20875359]

>>20875306
Try turning the text yellow to increase the contrast. Can you get rid of that shitty 1 pixel black stroke?

[Anonymous No.20875366]

>>20875359
I can try. I'm thinking of using White.

[Anonymous No.20875382]

>>20875366
Your issue is the white haze in the sky will wash out the white text

[Anonymous No.20875393]

>>20875359
Yellow looks weird to me.

I'm going to need a better program other than paint.

[Anonymous No.20875399]

[Anonymous No.20875440]

>Character gets stuck at the bottom of a cliff
>Yells for his friends to come get him
>They say they will get a rope and be right back
>Character sits down, nods off waiting
>Wakes up hours later, no sign of his friends

I don't know it kind of feels stupid? But also completely reasonable?

[Anonymous No.20875498]

>>20875440
Feels like exactly what you'd expect to happen in the situation, at least for genre fiction. It's a pretty standard set up to force the protagonist to find his own way out and then have to save his friends from whatever trouble they've gotten into. Plus the bonus mystery of what happened to cause them to not come back.

[Anonymous No.20875512]

>>20875269
Look I know Call of the Crocodile is ridiculously popular here. But if that specific book is spam you might as well count Blood Meridian, Ulysses or any of the other books that are frequently mentioned as spam. This is a literature board.

[Anonymous No.20875523]

>>20875512
What sets CotC as unique is that it’s the only book in history that has achieved that amount of attention from 4chan. Not even other F. Gardner novels get talked about as much.

[Anonymous No.20875530]

Bros one more chapter and I'm about to release my fiction in RoyalRoad/NovelUpdates. Should I buy a /lit/ ad as well?

[Anonymous No.20875566]

>>20874511
>Jeeves Butler but between wizards story
This story was very very good. But alas the poor duck will never be found.

There was an incest fantasy story that I thought was pretty decent.

[Anonymous No.20875578]

>>20875175
Exactly how are people supposed to discuss their own books. Seems like a parent who kicks their son out when he turns 18, or in this case finishes a book

[Anonymous No.20875590]

>>20875578
You don't. Writing is not discussing your book.

[Anonymous No.20875647]

>>20875590
>hey what do you think about this passage did i write this well any thoughts on the pacing
>you're not allowed to discuss your book pages here gtfo
Cognitive dissonance overdrive

[Anonymous No.20875673]

>>20875647
He doesn't care about being an author. He just wants to doodle on the page.

[Anonymous No.20875675]

>>20875647
No you. Talking about your writing is not talking about your book. If you can't figure out the difference your writing doesn't belong here either.

[Anonymous No.20875737]

>>20875578
You don’t. This would be advertising. Which is not allowed. This could lead to another Call of the Crocodile type situation. We don’t need another Faggot Gardner. One is already too much. This place has enough spam.

[Anonymous No.20875750]

>>20875277
The character doesn’t know.

[Anonymous No.20875760]

We are so lucky our hobby is writing.

We create new worlds and narratives in our free time. We dive into the perspectives of different characters and minds who walk different roads to us and we begin to see things through their eyes.

We edify our audience, expand their vocabulary, and improve their world view.

Its such a cheap hobby as well- to log onto your kindle direct page and see what treats you have written.

And our books are so beautiful; whether carefully placed upon a bookshelf or strewn across your bedside cabinet.

[Anonymous No.20875786]

>>20875737
Call of the Crocodile is amazing. I’m so glad I read it. I read a lot of indie horror and that’s the best one I’ve read in ages.

[Anonymous No.20875858]

>>20875578
I think it's fine to mention it once, when it's done.
Or maybe more, if you're giving it away for free.

[Anonymous No.20875867]

>>20875786
Vanity (pride) is a mortal sin.
Enjoy going to Hell over literally the worst-written book of all time.

[Anonymous No.20875909]

Does this description help you picture 5 grand towers ?

[Anonymous No.20875915]

I want to train to write like Hemingway now. It's genius for a dialogue based game.

[Anonymous No.20875934]

>>20875909
It's got some clunky wordage.
>Built by the goddess X
Its position implies the roads were built by the goddess since it is a new subject in the discourse. Move this somewhere else.
>the center of the city erected
It's better to move this and say "Five towers stood erect in the center of the city" because as it is now reads as if the center of the city built the towers.

I won't do more line editing because it's more of the same. Overall it's just very clunky and needs clearer, tighter language. Your primary problems are subject attribution and sentences that aren't difficult but are blocky and mishappen. If you fix the subject attribution problem it'll read much better. That's the big issue.

[Anonymous No.20875953]

>>20875786
Shut up Gardner. If you really did read that shit you wouldn't have published it.

[Anonymous No.20875955]

>>20875934
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.20875963]

>>20875953
I heard he's still recovering from the shocking twist/turn climax of "Go Dog Go".

[Anonymous No.20875988]

I know you fags get sensitive whenever there is a "marketing" question but please harden yourself prior to reading on. Is there anything in the market today doing what RL Stine did in the 90s?

[Anonymous No.20876001]

Can the draft to my next amazing novel or short story be an in media res scene that sounded really cool in my head without concerning myself with buildup that would only matter to others? Have you ever started drafting a story that way?

[Anonymous No.20876002]

>>20875934
I found what you're saying. I switched the paragraphs around, and it definitely reads much better.

[Anonymous No.20876005]

>>20875988
I have a CoTC tattoo on my arm. Everyone someone asks me what it means I tell them the amazon page of the book

[Anonymous No.20876011]

>You're telling me you want to use a giant robot to fight a giant monster? How retarded are you? This isn't fucking Gigantor, this is reality and in reality giant robots don't work. I get that this is a time of crisis for the entire world, but you should spend all that money we gave you on giving us better tanks and missiles, not some non-functional plaything. Neck yourself and do us all a favor.
And then the robot doesn't work, showing that tanks > Mechs and you should just spend more money on tanks instead of playthings. Hehehehehee

[Anonymous No.20876012]

>>20876002
I could see what you were aiming for and it has potential. Just needs to be better conveyed, is all, and it seems like you landed it.

[Anonymous No.20876023]

>>20876005
Ban evasion is a serious crime Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20876028]

>>20876012
>tfw no one has ever told me I have potential for writing.

[Anonymous No.20876029]

>>20876005
Just tattoo a QR code for the amazon page.

[Anonymous No.20876031]

Is there any way I can introduce old pseudoscience ideas that were popular in pulp sci-fi into my novel without making it feel like pulpy sci-fi?

[Anonymous No.20876035]

@20876028
Because you're an avatarfagging whiner who won't shut up about how good this one video game you played is. I can get the video game autism; I loved Nier Automata. But the avatarfagging is the worst.

[Anonymous No.20876045]

>>20876035
Kim is just like me. We talk exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.20876058]

>>20876035
The man is going to give me full permission to spam my pet game if he keeps this up. At least mine is almost entirely /lit/ related.

[Anonymous No.20876064]

I am just like Kim and one day I hope to find my very own Jimmy.
>>20876035
How can I be a better writer?

[Anonymous No.20876108]

I'm going for a gritty over-the-top noir style for this silly story. Any suggestions / criticisms?

[Anonymous No.20876109]

>>20876108
>Any suggestions
Stop.

[Anonymous No.20876130]

>>20876108
Way too many fragments. Someone watched sin city and read watchmen way too many times. It's not Rorsarch, find a new voice.

[Anonymous No.20876152]

I don't post my writing ever since /lit/ laughed at my horrible attempts, sorry.
>>20876130
Tips on character voices?

[Anonymous No.20876167]

>>20876130
I appreciate the criticism, but it sounds like you're just describing what I'm going for. How might I capture the spirit of a cliche noir voice without deriving it from the classics? Or are you saying it isn't Rorschach enough, so I should develop a different one? Thank you for your response.

[Anonymous No.20876181]

>>20876031
What are some of the pseudoscience ideas you had in mind?

[Anonymous No.20876190]

>>20876181
Racial and gender equality.

[Anonymous No.20876202]

>>20876181
Experiencing ancestors' lives by tapping into genetic memory, hollow earth, and ESP.

[Anonymous No.20876219]

>>20876202
>Experiencing ancestors' lives by tapping into genetic memory
Isn't that the entire premise of Assassin's Creed?

[Anonymous No.20876226]

>>20876219
Isn't Assassin's Creed extremely pulpy? Legitimate question, I've only seen a few trailers.

[Anonymous No.20876237]

>>20874380
Seconded.

[Anonymous No.20876263]

How did Joseph Conrad, a man who never wrote a book before Heart of Darkness manage to have such amazing prose in his debut?

[Anonymous No.20876293]

Imagine posting what you've written here. I couldn't live with myself if I said "here is my book, but some random anon wrote a line here or there"

Even if it's not to anybody else's liking, your writing should be yours and yours only. It's your art and if people don't buy it, it only means it isn't marketable -which in reality doesn't mean shit anyway.

Besides, everyone here just wants to feel superior anyway, that's why we are touchy "artists" with "love me!" complexes

[Anonymous No.20876301]

>>20876293
And I'd like to add, if you're one of these anons who asks other anons to fix your writing, you disgust me.

[Anonymous No.20876423]

>wrote 7 pages today, feeling great
>think about it for a minute and scrap everything

NGMI

[Anonymous No.20876448]

>>20876423
keep writing all the shit you want even if it doesn't make sense. After you finish it, clean the bad parts and re write them.

[Anonymous No.20876524]

incredibly short, shitty story. thoughts?

https://pastebin.com/raw/aRa7rgDE

[Anonymous No.20876527]

>>20876423
Know that feel. I wrote an intro for a villain protagonist (a serial killer), and then I was like, man would people actually want to root for a character like that? Even though it's a fem fatale type character, probably it's too much.

[Anonymous No.20876544]

>>20876524
This isn't a story, its just you rambling on about some girl that rejected your sorry ass, so to cope, you made up a bunch of rambling shit about her hoping to make yourself feel better.

[Anonymous No.20876587]

>>20876423
It' sokay, I find my writing style changed from chapter 1 to chapter 8. Chapter 1 doesn't read anything like Chapter 8

[Anonymous No.20876607]

>>20876524
My thought is that you're a stupid faggot for bothering you post your art here KEK. You deserve whatever shit people fling at you.

[Anonymous No.20876636]

>>20876527
There's another anon doing this already. The killer is a homosexual cabin boy. Although the setting is a vague combination of medieval and fantasy. May you two fight for readers.

[Anonymous No.20876681]

>>20876636
Honestly I'd like to read whatever he's going for and see. My character isn't a homosexual or anything in that sense. They are just incapable of feeling physical pain, so the only thing they can feel is via emotional pain.

[Anonymous No.20876723]

I just realised that the selected excerpt for the online version of the novel has a really cringeworthy word choice half way down the first excerpt page, which would probably put off most potential readers. Fuck me.
I don't know how we missed that in editing. Or maybe i was just being a dick going "no, that's the expression i want to use!".
Oh well, this book wasn't that important. On to the next!

[Anonymous No.20876837]

Today was a good day.
1.2k words.
Had to push but i made it.
(you) can make it too!

[Anonymous No.20876842]

>>20876837
Here's three more words for you
>NOT
>YOUR
>BLOG

[Anonymous No.20876851]

>>20876842
go be a unhelpful, piece of shit crab in a bucket somewhere else

[Anonymous No.20876852]

>>20876524
read more books

[Anonymous No.20876859]

>>20876293
are you trying to say youre against feedback? wait until you learn about editors

[Anonymous No.20876864]

>>20876851
No you.

[Anonymous No.20876892]

What’s the best way to describe your story? Personally, a really dark piece of giant monster media. Like Ultraman Leo/Nexus, Shin Godzilla, the Heisei Gamera trilogy, Cloverfield, EVA, and so on

[Anonymous No.20876898]

>>20876892
A Charlie Kaufman Christmas story.

[Anonymous No.20876907]

>>20876898
Oh. OH

[Anonymous No.20876950]

>>20876907
It's not really a Christmas story, it takes place from October to February so Halloween, New Year and Valentine's Day are all included as well.

[Anonymous No.20877030]

>>20876892
A dark story about ideals, life and the death that awaits the foolish ones who gave up on their desires to pursue an idle existence.

[Anonymous No.20877048]

>>20877030
You mean an afterlife or just fucking dying?

[Anonymous No.20877055]

>>20877048
Well, the big plot twist here is that the life people thought they were living is actually an afterlife and they already died centuries ago.

[Anonymous No.20877090]

>>20877055
Oh

[Anonymous No.20877092]

>>20877055
Very Gardnerian.

[Anonymous No.20877100]

>>20877090
I wonder if my time would be well-spent looking up folklore on the Grim Reaper to spice things up.

[Anonymous No.20877117]

>>20877092
Kek. That’s actually does sound like an F Gardner twist.

[Anonymous No.20877127]

>>20876108
>something-Tokyo
>sprawls
>neon hue
there are three clichés in the first paragraph alone and all makes it seem like a bad replica of the opening of Neuromancer
also hue means "color" pretty much, and it's irrespective of whatever's used to produce it, so "neon hues" doesn't make sense, you should look for a characteristic that's unique to neon if you want to write a bit like that

[Anonymous No.20877137]

>>20877117
This sounds really interesting. I don’t know if I’m really going to get memed into reading the entire Gardner anthology since there’s a fuckton of books in that series. But somebody should make more screencap summaries of the rest of Horror’s Call.

[Anonymous No.20877145]

>>20877092
I don't know how to feel about this.

[Anonymous No.20877152]

Fuck off Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20877156]

>>20876892
"(protag name) screws everything not nailed down"
Everything is window dressing for the smut.

[Anonymous No.20877159]

>>20877137
>Spoiling Gardner’s “epic twists”

That’s probably the one thing Gardner would get angry about.

>>20877145
Gardner’s actually fine at doing twists from what I’ve read. Unless you don’t like M Night Shamalyan type of twists. Meaning the really over the top and out of left field ones.

[Anonymous No.20877166]

>>20877159
I would say this twist is significantly less out of left field in actuality, because there's trippy hints from the environment and also the actions of the antagonists hinting that this threat threatening to destroy the land isn't actually death but the truth.

[Anonymous No.20877168]

>>20877100
Nta but I'm fascinated with folklore and thus will always recommend that people dig through old legends and such for inspiration. Slavic and nordic folklore in particular has some really kooky spooks and stories, def worth checking out if you're into that kinda thing.

[Anonymous No.20877169]

>>20875530
Show us the first chapter.

[Anonymous No.20877170]

>>20877159
Mate, Horror’s Call is like every M. Night movie crammed into one and amplified by a thousand. I’m pretty sure Gardner just tries to think of the kookiest twist he can think of and bases his stories off of that.

[Anonymous No.20877189]

>>20877137
All the King in Yellow stuff in the kangaroo book was great. I don’t know if mentioning that is really a spoiler.

[Anonymous No.20877193]

>>20877168
Yeah, I think those are sadly underrepresented and it's always fascinating to see themes being repeated across cultures. It's also relevant to my research because the idea of people having buried memories of the past and especially of death is pretty important.

[Anonymous No.20877196]

>>20877168
Like F Gardner did with Call of the Kappa?

[Anonymous No.20877216]

>>20874603
Anime writing shouldn't be in there

[Anonymous No.20877294]

>>20876859
You aren't an editor, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20877402]

>>20877294
>conceding the argument
i didn't expect you to be able to defend your childish take

[Anonymous No.20877440]

>>20877402
I should listen to retards on /wg/ because editors exist?

[Anonymous No.20877450]

>>20877440
the irrefutable significance of editors (and things like writing groups) contradicts your cope take on feedback.

[Anonymous No.20877511]

>>20877450
Not that anon, but I would fight an editor tooth and nail. A writing group seems completely worthless. Nobody's opinion on my work matters but my own.
>you'll never get published that way
Who cares? Not me. I'm going to write exactly the way I want to and publish it myself for free. It is immaterial to me whether I am read by another. The only thing that matters is that I have written to the best of my own ability and according to the highest standards of my personal sense for quality. The rest can go fuck itself.

[Anonymous No.20877515]

>>20875647
If you zoomers weren't such incorrigible self-promoters, maybe an advertising ban wouldn't be necessary. If it were allowed, literally everyone would just be shilling their own work incessantly. It would be an advertising thread.

[Anonymous No.20877539]

Can anyone recommend me a short story I can read, that I am trying to write, based off the following?
>present tense
>narrative interwoven between commentary
>commentary provides the bulk of the story
>narrative services to link the essay like segments of the narrator
>critical
>certain moments highly present in the narrators experience of the story, but total lack of specific humdrum "he walked into the kitchen, she sat down at her desk etc. etc."
so far some of the stories in pic related have been the best reference for me

[Anonymous No.20877548]

Is this a good basic essay format? Please offer protips regarding essay writing

Introduction
The introduction guides your reader into the paper by introducing the topic. It should begin with a hook that catches the reader’s interest. This hook could be a quote, an analogy, a question, etc. After getting the reader’s attention, the introduction should give some background information on the topic. The ideas within the introduction should be general enough for the reader to understand the main claim and gradually become more specific to lead into the thesis statement.

Thesis Statement
The thesis statement concisely states the main idea or argument of the essay, sets limits on the topic, and can indicate the organization of the essay. The thesis works as a road map for the entire essay, showing the readers what you have to say and which main points you will use to support your ideas.

3x Paragraphs
Topic Sentence
The main idea of each paragraph is stated in a topic sentence that shows how the idea relates to the thesis. Generally, the topic sentence is placed at the beginning of a paragraph, but the location and placement may vary according to individual organization and audience expectation. Topic sentences often serve as transitions between paragraphs.
2x Supporting Sentences or Examples; citation.
• How
• Why
• Where
• When

Concluding Sentence
Each paragraph should end with a final statement that brings together the ideas brought up in the paragraph. Sometimes, it can serve as a transition to the next paragraph.

Conclusion
The conclusion brings together all the main points of the essay. It refers back to the thesis statement and leaves readers with a final thought and sense of closure by resolving any ideas brought up in the essay. It may also address the implications of the argument. In the conclusion, new topics or ideas that were not developed in the paper should not be introduced.

[Anonymous No.20877554]

>>20875155

Just have the thing brutally kill a bunch of nameless grunts.

Show don’t tell.

[Anonymous No.20877559]

>>20875750
I'm not him but did you actually read what he said? Who gives a fuck if the character knows. The whole premise of that dialogue sequence is poor in the first place.

[Anonymous No.20877561]

>>20877402
Kek. You are some literal nobody with no experience in anything and for all I know are some weird basement dwelling incel that has never put pen to paper in your life. You're joking if you think I'd ever take a word any of you said seriously.

[Anonymous No.20877564]

>>20877548
A good essay format is whatever is intuitive. The problem is trying to teach people who can't write to write. It's like trying to teach a baboon calculus. Essay "formats" are completely worthless to any except those who will never be able to write... and it's doubly worthless to them. We should teach children not to write. It might improve literacy. To people who CAN write, they may as well completely disregard the essay format. You're not teaching them, anyway. They already know how to write well.

[Anonymous No.20877589]

>>20877511
>>20877561
nothing but cope. now actually prove that you don't care. leave or share work.

[Anonymous No.20877596]

>>20876064

You want to find a man that used to be a criminal that tries to become a better person. Manipulate him to become his former self for your own amusement and then dump him when things inevitably go south?

[Anonymous No.20877619]

>>20877589
I'll do neither. You misunderstand me when I say that I don't care. It's not some fundamental truth to the core of who I am — it's a choice I make, and one that's sometimes easy to maintain, sometimes difficult. It's pretty difficult to maintain when you're insulted. Because I know and believe that the best writing results not from "playing to the gallery," but from sincere personal expression. Sometimes the gallery will say shitty things, and shitty things can hurt. No thanks! Not in this context, at least.

[Anonymous No.20877634]

>>20877564
do you have any tips beyond 'intuitive'?
it's about knowing how to formulate and structure an argument or how to get a view point across

[Anonymous No.20877639]

>>20877634
I don't think that's teachable, personally. If it's well written the structure really doesn't matter. If it's poorly written, the structure doesn't matter either. I don't think structure matters.

[Anonymous No.20877652]

I have a problem with my writing and it's for the following reasons
1. hierarchy must be followed
2. the powerful and proud can't be humbled
3. women should be virginal and represent chastity and so should men to a lesser degree
Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.20877655]

>>20875155
Just use a metaphor that the protag/reader can actually understand. Like basketball players or something.

[Anonymous No.20877657]

>>20877652
Sorry my post wasn't clear
These are how I feel and the violation of these things disgusts me

[Anonymous No.20877670]

>>20875399
What a boomer. Subcultures no longer exist. The internet is a blender for everything.

[Anonymous No.20877675]

>>20877619
i doubt you'll be satisfied with this for long.

>>20877639
nonsense.

>>20877634
use the traditional formats unless you have a good reason not to. if you're asking here, i assume you want MLA. whoever is reading your shit has typical expectations, and your job is to not make their job any more difficult.
why are you asking here?

[Anonymous No.20877681]

>>20877657
I heard travelling around and meeting new people can do wonders to your world view
try that

[Anonymous No.20877682]

>>20877681
I'm not racist

[Anonymous No.20877685]

>>20877652
>>20877657
what's the problem? write 40k novels or something.
4 real though, is this a reference i'm missing? i'm curious why you'd take a strong stance on any of these things. also, based.

[Anonymous No.20877688]

>>20877685
No?
I've just been like this since I was a child
Anyway I don't like 40k because of the Eldar

[Anonymous No.20877697]

>>20877688
Oh also the Ctan are bad

[Anonymous No.20877701]

>>20877675
>i doubt you'll be satisfied with this for long.
I don't see why I wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.20877703]

>>20877688
do you understand why you feel this way?
fucking explain it. you're a writer aren't you? you share that you have concerns, give me the juice.
hierarchy MUST be followed? that has some implications..
the powerful and proud CAN'T be humbled? why? are you sure there are no examples of the contrary? lol
woman should.. well, this is subjective. go nuts.
do you want these things to be the subject or theme of your writing?

[Anonymous No.20877725]

>>20877701
because you want progress, and that inherently betrays your stance.

[Anonymous No.20877729]

>>20877725
I'll shoulder that myself, my man.

[Anonymous No.20877737]

>>20877729
sure, but if you're anything like most anyone, some mastery over the 'gallery' is something you'd want to prove to yourself too. that's a big part of storytelling.

[Anonymous No.20877741]

>>20875909
Dirt roads aren't paved. 'trammeled by the' 'flattened by pilgrims traveling to' or something.
Pentagon is singular, not plural.

You're really jumping around in time and space.
Pilgrims. Builders. Barbarian raiders. If you want to use the road/pilgrims as your POV, then described things as they would approach: first towers in the distance, then walls, then center. Or, if you want to do it historically, describe the barren hills, the first construction, the growing city, the fall to barbarians, etc. You're doing both and out of order.

Try to weed out unnecessary passives.
>As it were called
>were capped with a roof
>Was tipped and roofed
>could be swayed
>Was besieged by
>was sealed by
Sometimes a passive voice is necessary, but this is too many. It makes it wordy and sluggish.

Similarly, you can weed out present progressives (was running) and replace them with simple past tense (ran) to lighten the prose. And remove 'started to' or 'began to'.

[Anonymous No.20877746]

>>20877737
>some mastery over the 'gallery' is something you'd want to prove to yourself too
That's not impossible. But I have things I want to do before I get around to that — if I ever do.

[Anonymous No.20877755]

I'm having this weird hangup over chapters from different points of view. For some reason my brain is telling me that having two or more back-to-back chapters from the same PoV, even though there's 3 main PoV characters, is bad. Is it?

>>20877196
Yes. Sort of.

>>20877193
Repressed memories and anxiety is also one of the key themes in my writing, alongside addiction, ambition and finding purpose in life, all of which I try to portray through a world filled with all the fun stories and creatures found in the aforementioned folklores. Writing character driven fantasy's turning out to be hard as fuck but just as fun.

[Anonymous No.20877770]

>>20875988
Children are always an overlooked, or at least unrespected, market. When creators make something decent for children, such as Harry Potter or Minecraft, it gets huge and everyone acts surprised. It's because most things fed to kids are just shitty, low effort advertisements for toys.

However, reaching kids would require traditional publishers. 11 year old kids aren't going to find your stuff on RR probably.

[Anonymous No.20877970]

>>20877755
Perspective and duality is one of the important things my story carries too. The protagonist is Death yet the world's memories will live on when he destroys it, while the antagonist is a life-filled force who would end existence so everyone exists in a state free from life and death, you could think of it like a situation such as the theory of forms being actualized.

[Anonymous No.20877986]

>>20877770
Thanks for the reply. I looked into RL Stine a bit more last night after I made that post and found that he is actively writing and his stuff has a netflix show as of last year.
I also picked up a bunch of Goosebumps books from z-lib and began reading them. I'm just trying to see if I have the potential to write a long series like that. Also I remember reading somewhere that G*rdner was doing a Goosebumps thing and it kind of makes sense now. I guess thats why "he" responded last night but the post has since been deleted.

[Anonymous No.20877987]

>>20877755
>For some reason my brain is telling me that having two or more back-to-back chapters from the same PoV, even though there's 3 main PoV characters, is bad. Is it?
No. It's fine. As long as they form some coherent chunk of story and come to a good stopping point.

Unless you're writing soap-opera style like GRRMartin, where every chapter is 1/3rd reminding what happened last time, 1/3rd a new event, and 1/3rd cliff hanger to keep the reader reading. But that's for like a 100 characters.

[Anonymous No.20878015]

What stops you from writing the most? I have a slump in writing if I get too obsessed with women but I'm getting better at shutting them down if they pull me away too often.

[Anonymous No.20878025]

>>20878015
Internet. Vidya. Work. Bad habits. My girlfriend. Depression comes and goes. Inability lately.

[Anonymous No.20878026]

I came up with a beautiful scene, about one person planting a seed and another character describing the adult tree, fully grown and in bloom, the sun setting behind the hill it grows on and lighting up the silhouette in hues of pink and orange.
But here's the kicker: it's just words. The person describing it is just a voice on the radio.

[Anonymous No.20878029]

>>20877755
pick the best character for your pov and go with that
most books have the same pov over several chapters

[Anonymous No.20878070]

>>20877554
I already fucking did that by having it kill a former antagonistic figure

[Anonymous No.20878078]

>>20878015
When I hit a block it fucks me up for a few days until I get over it and decide to keep writing regardless of whether the blocked part is any good. Usually works and I think of a fix for it as I continue.

[Anonymous No.20878080]

>>20878015
just when I go over my writing and think it really fucking sucks, I get discouraged and stop for a while. Normally when I come back everything seems a lot better than when I put it down.

[Anonymous No.20878086]

>>20873838
Am I allowed to share my comic here?

[Anonymous No.20878094]

i have a hard time writing when things get too complicated. say i have to do exposition, continue the character arcs, try to make everything interesting or exciting, and so on.
if i was going to do it all over, i would pick a simpler book to write. maybe just the protagonist and antagonist. everyone is human. use the current world instead of a futuristic world, etc.

[Anonymous No.20878098]

>>20878015
My other hobbies. Right now I've played a lot of Pokémon Unite so it's really active in my brain. I've missed two weeks of flash fiction.

[Anonymous No.20878099]

I've never written and I don't have anything in mind. Please give me a neat prompt and I'll start writing.
Feel free to add challenges and suggestions.

[Anonymous No.20878101]

>>20878099
sweaty tomboys on the moon

[Anonymous No.20878104]

>>20875303
The first version has better voice and flow imo.

[Anonymous No.20878106]

>>20878099
> a neat prompt and I'll start writing
Baking beans in Alaska attracts an unexpected visitor

[Anonymous No.20878121]

>>20878099
>>20878101
Your high school crush disappeared one day. Years later, you found out she was kidnap to work the mines on Moon, along with other sweaty tomboys.

[Anonymous No.20878127]

I have two POV characters, should I have them both describe other characters to show the differences in how they perceive the world?

[Anonymous No.20878136]

There's still over four months until the end of the year, plenty of time to hammer out a first draft but I'm not sure which project to start.
>a murder mystery with two detectives
>a crime novel set in a dystopian future/sci-fi with three protagonists
>one of two fantasy adventure series
It'll be my second novel so I'm sure it won't turn out perfect, I just want to get a move on with it already. Out of all of your ideas, how do you guys decide what to write?

[Anonymous No.20878141]

>>20878127
Definitely, but don't over do it.

[Anonymous No.20878148]

>>20878101
>>20878106
It was the last time Mishi would put up with this fat retard. She thought about ramming her into the fire—would that ever be excusable?
“It’s you or me, bear.” She needed these beans to live, but it’d BEARLY be a snack for the beast. Unless she was willing to abandon her tent and campsite.. Looking down longingly at her half-baked beans, and then across at the lit firepit out front of her car.
It was the 3rd time the bear had come around, and each time she had to sacrifice precious pack of hotdogs to feel safe enough to creep her way back to her vehicle. She probably should have learned from the first time, and definitely from the 2nd time. She'd basically been training the bear how to get her hotdogs at this point.
Still, she thought that if she were to be the first (sweaty) tomboy on the moon, that she couldn't let this dude ruin her camping trip in Alaska.

[Anonymous No.20878161]

>>20878015
Work.

[Anonymous No.20878167]

>>20878086
Yes/No?

[Anonymous No.20878169]

>>20878086
I want to see it

[Anonymous No.20878174]

>>20878148
based

[Anonymous No.20878224]

>>20877741
Thank you so much anon. I've been rewriting it and took the other anons suggestions to reorder and clean the passage up. It reads much better now. But the story and prose took a strange shift

[Anonymous No.20878233]

>>20878015
Kids, and just feeling brain dead when I finally get an hour to myself.

In terms of things that help I'd say cleaning up my diet had been the best slow burn help. Also quitting video games.

[Anonymous No.20878234]

>>20878136
I have a clear ending.

[Anonymous No.20878244]

In what scenario is a giant robot justified?

[Anonymous No.20878286]

>>20878244
Military/defense?

[Anonymous No.20878294]

>>20878244
is there any scenario when it wouldn't be?

[Anonymous No.20878297]

>>20878244
in zero gravity where there aren't any structural constraints

[Anonymous No.20878300]

How necessary is a discord in RR? I don't want one because I think it would be a huge time sink, but people like that kind of engagement and community.

[Anonymous No.20878307]

>>20878300
You should also offer free blowjobs

[Anonymous No.20878341]

>>20878300
link your RR here. we will be your community

[Anonymous No.20878414]

>>20878341
Not him, but that's bullshit and you know it. Nobody here reads RR.

[Anonymous No.20878486]

How do I come up with a name? I use placeholder names that are either very obvious and phonetically interesting and then morph that into something pleasing.

This one character is too perfect when it comes to their name, I don't know how to morph this since all similar sounding names are obvious in meaning.

Might have to change the sound. Any other working alternatives where I break up the sounds are already used by other characters. I know it's not a rule to be original with names but for your main character? Maybe.

[Anonymous No.20878631]

I want to write a story about the time I spent working in a remote camp, and all the absurd shit that occurred.
However, I’m considering setting it in a fictional, post-apocalyptic world post solar flare or some shit with limited technology, just for the convenience of writing out “yeah it’s my week off so i stayed home and played dota” among other things.
What do you guys think? Has anyone tried anything similar?

[Anonymous No.20878778]

>>20878631
that’s a round about way of describing ‘drawing inspiration from real life’ ie how art has worked since the beginning of time
so, obviously, yes. that is fine
but dont think for a minute that anyone gives a shit what about what happened to (you). you must tell a good story

[Anonymous No.20878815]

>>20876636
Twink assassin anon please provide update

[Anonymous No.20878878]

>>20878631
people usually hate memoires unless their by somebody who's famous
hiding it by making it fiction could work. as long as you don't put yourself in the story

[Anonymous No.20878927]

>book concept originated from a sex dream
>even after heavy modifications in character dynamics and removal of all sex still worried it'll come across as fetishy
Should I just abandon it?

[Anonymous No.20878937]

>>20878927
people read lolita. you’re fine.

[Anonymous No.20878941]

Is this a right place to discuss movie writing?
I have an idea for a short movie that came to me in dreams, the problem is I can't help myself but imagine writing a romance between my main characters, they initially don't like each other but they have to go through struggles together as a common goal.
I suppose bonds forms this way, but I can't imagine it not being cliché, any advice on how to avoid it or at least make something good out of it?
I've never been in love, or in a relationship, obviously.

[Anonymous No.20878951]

>>20878297
Is it a good idea to use a robot to punch a giant monster that normal weapons are powerless against?

[Anonymous No.20878952]

>>20878937
I don't have the literary skill of Nabokov.

[Anonymous No.20878967]

>>20878941
make them have sex offscreen and come to the conclusion that it won't work

[Anonymous No.20879073]

never used fiverr, but it offers beta reader services too. this is handy if you're asocial like me.

https://www.fiverr.com/categories/writing-translation/beta-reader

i kind of think a writer would have better luck with fiverr beta readers than some randoms off the internet. like at those websites where you promise to read and critique each other's stuff.
but if you want a relation ship with a bunch of other authors and you beta read for each other, internet randoms are the way to go
and once your books do well and you have a readership, you can get readers to beta read in exchange for getting your next book early
if i give fiverr a try, i'll tell you guys how it went

[Anonymous No.20879080]

>>20878952
I'm no Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20879097]

>>20879080
Ok Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20879106]

>>20875988
Horror’s Call

[Anonymous No.20879121]

>>20879106
Fuck off Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20879130]

>>20879073
let me read your book

[Anonymous No.20879134]

>>20879121
Your shitty eceleb doesn’t even come here.

[Anonymous No.20879146]

>>20879134
God I wish that were true Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20879193]

>>20879146
i wish i were gardner

[Anonymous No.20879203]

>>20879193
Take your meds Frank.

[Anonymous No.20879232]

Where can I find screenwriting agents?

[Anonymous No.20879240]

>>20879193
Lmao. He does basically have the most /lit/ life imaginable. No wonder this general seethes in jealousy at the guy.

[Anonymous No.20879251]

>>20879240
Hang yourself from an overpass Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20879296]

How do you write an action/battle scene without making it just a laundry list of actions?

[Anonymous No.20879305]

>>20879296
you don't, you just make your sentences varied and interesting enough that it doesn't feel repetitive

[Anonymous No.20879339]

Just deleted some dialogue and some scenes.
Honestly please help me guys, basic worldbuilding is ok, lore is ok. Small interactions are ok.

It's a dialogue based game but it's not Disco Elysium, it's more like Fallout/Deus Ex. Disco Elysium was based on novels, my idea is based on certain movies. So Disco Elysium is literary, I want to be immersive and cinematic.
I could learn from Dark Souls but it's not Dark Souls.

I know that games are not about writing itself.
>>20879296
The same way you draw one, it's more about interesting framing than a list of combos. Maybe?
Abstract it and only draw what you need, like taking out useless frames.

[Anonymous No.20879346]

>>20879251
>Arguing with yourself

Gardner your not fooling anyone

[Anonymous No.20879366]

>>20879339
Fuck off janny

>>20879346
Fuck off Gardner

[Anonymous No.20879392]

Guys, help.
Like I know my setting alone can carry a lot but it's not enough, I need to be good.
>>20879366
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.20879405]

>>20879392
You will never be good, just like you will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.20879413]

>>20879405
>You will never be good
Why?

[Anonymous No.20879423]

>>20879413
>Give me constructive criticism
Okay how about kys tranny.

[Anonymous No.20879455]

>>20879413
Because you don't actually write you retard. And no, I'm not asking you to submit your writing for critique as you keep saying you will (but lack the meager work ethic to do) - I'm telling you to just fuck off back to whatever tranny/foot fetish discord you crawled out of.

[Anonymous No.20879462]

>>20879455
I've been too scared to post it ever since /lit/ laughed at me. Even my old text adventure and VN are just for me, private works

[Anonymous No.20879464]

>>20879462
I didn't ask you faggot.

[Anonymous No.20879469]

>>20879462
Is this you?
>>20875909

Because we already have you some critique

[Anonymous No.20879471]

>>20879469
That's not me.

[Anonymous No.20879472]

Stop samefagging janny.

[Anonymous No.20879486]

>>20878941
>I've never been in love, or in a relationship, obviously.
Get out a do some research, bucko

[Anonymous No.20879490]

>>20878951
Depends. If the weapons simply aren't strong enough but the robot is, sure.

[Anonymous No.20879499]

>>20879486
I'm 30 years old, I gave up on that a while ago.

[Anonymous No.20879527]

>>20874877
Other op is better just because it's missing Mark $500 ad course Dawson.
Anyone here publishing anything on Kindle vella?

[Anonymous No.20879541]

>>20879499
Then all you can do is write it however you think it should work then make sure it's properly peer reviewed. If it's somewhat cliche you can always fix that with edits.

[Anonymous No.20879543]

This thread shouldn't exist because everyone on 4chan is a stupid bitter piece of shit. Prove me wrong without looking bitter and or stupid, you can't.

[Anonymous No.20879563]

>>20879543
Fuck off janny

[Anonymous No.20879574]

>>20879543
let me read your work

[Anonymous No.20879578]

>>20879543
I don't think I'm at risk of coming across as bitter, but stupid? That's a risk I'll take. Anywhere there's online discussion there are idiots also, 4chan is no exception. Now there's got to be a best of the worst and here we are.

[Anonymous No.20879659]

I'm rewriting the dialogue in verse, but does anyone else have any problems with Gang Weed the Movie that they want me to fix?

https://www.scribd.com/document/551280851/Unfiltered

[Anonymous No.20879752]

>>20879563
>bitter and stupid
>>20879574
>"Post work so I can shit on it and you"
>will prove yourself bitter and or stupid if I post work so nah fuck off lol
>>20879578
You're good at least but it's better to find a professional like you rather than come here for your opinion, no offense intended.

[Anonymous No.20879764]

>>20879752
my experience here has been pretty positive.
meanwhile i'm asking to read your work, and you're insulting me.
funny

[Anonymous No.20879773]

>>20879752
I know you are janny but what am I?

[Anonymous No.20879793]

>>20879752
>it's better to find a professional like you rather than come here for your opinion
Absolutely, I wouldn't come here for serious advice, but it's fine for popping the odd question as long as you take the replies with a gain of salt.

[Anonymous No.20879798]

>>20878070

So just have the character witness that. Or better yet.

>have the character happen across the oriental flesh orb
>oblivious to its power they try to fight it
>have them be completely dwarfed by the creatures power and realise it in text.
>‘I was fighting to survive, not even making a scratch the spicy meatball from ikea’ something like that.
>have the guardian spirits show up
>they get kicked to where crayfish spend the winter
>then the bigger fish shows up
>it engages the sweet and spicy katamari from hell.
>The character is trying to take a shot at the bigger fish
>The other character from your dialogue intervenes
>they hold character A and say ‘look’
>the bigger fish kills Satans Burger in that exact moment.
>CharB ’if the East Asian ball of man couldn’t win against it, why would you even try?’
>CharA just nods.
>they leave

There, now everyone is up to speed at what kind of threat we’re dealing with.

[Anonymous No.20879809]

>>20879752
Sometimes any opinion, no matter how stupid or bitter, can help you escape your own echo chamber.

[Anonymous No.20879850]

I'm writing a script for a movie/short film where a black family moves in to a white suburban neighborhood. The main character is a white guy who's really good at grilling but this new black guy is even better. So he gets jealous and makes everything a competition between them but the black guy is just oblivious the whole time and is just being friendly. So finally mc wakes up in cold sweat one night and goes over to his new neighbor's house and challenges him to a 4th of July cook-off. Then mc goes off to visit his father who was a cook in Vietnam so he can learn the secrets of grilling.

Would you watch this?

[Anonymous No.20879858]

>>20879850
>but this new black guy is even better.
not into fantasy

[Anonymous No.20879869]

>>20879850
jesus christ is everything on this goddamned planet of the apes about race?

[Anonymous No.20879878]

>>20879850
Yeah

>>20879858
>>20879869
Look, he may as well write in a black character, that's how it'll be cast anyway

[Anonymous No.20879897]

>>20879858
>>20879869
>>20879878
I'm such an idiot for thinking I could post that here without someone saying something about the character being black.

[Anonymous No.20879899]

>>20879850
needs to be extremely tongue in cheek
if you're leaning heavily into the racial aspect make it so there's a big cook off festival at the end, with booths and everything. also make it so this everytown usa contains every possible flavor of mystery meat so the cookoff is this epcot around the world type thing where everyone makes different things. make it so the men are all invested in this and their wives just start drinking heavily. his father can come back and have a vietnam style flashback when he sees the local town gook making something (dog or cat).
finally, finally you need to have a fast food chain notmcdonalds(tm) also participate in the cook off. they make burgers in microwaves. the end the entire town gets together and kicks out the chain restaurant because it turns out their food is made of soi or bugs. cue another gook joke here.
oh and no one likes niggers make him mexican or something

[Anonymous No.20879902]

>>20879850
>reading american literature

[Anonymous No.20879930]

halfway through this, really underwhelming

[Anonymous No.20879933]

what are /wg/s script writer's goals? are you seriously dreaming of the big leagues?

[Anonymous No.20879935]

>>20879899
>>his father can come back and have a vietnam style flashback when he sees the local town gook making something (dog or cat).
this not that bad of an idea

but really the race aspect is not really a big part of the story. I just thought it would be funnier if they were black since the black family would just have moments where they looked at the MC's shenanigans and chalked it up to him just being a white dude.

[Anonymous No.20879939]

>>20879930
and i've read all these so far. i only recommend the top 3. also going to read Steering the Craft

[Anonymous No.20879946]

>>20879939
at some point you're going to have to start writing

[Anonymous No.20879948]

>>20879933
I just want to deliver a message to as many people as I can and persuade them to agree to it, I couldn't care less if I made no money or had no name

[Anonymous No.20879963]

>>20879946
I want to see what the field is saying and develop my own perspective on creative writing using some new ideas by a guy named Bill Gaede

[Anonymous No.20879969]

>>20879963
you can follow me on telegram btw it's https://t.me/+zJHXO8WYybQwZGJh

[Anonymous No.20879984]

I have interesting characters for my game but I'm still being a coward about writing.

[Anonymous No.20879985]

>>20879930
Not your blog.

[Anonymous No.20879991]

>>20879984
what sort of game?

[Anonymous No.20880001]

>>20879991
>>20879991
CYOA

[Anonymous No.20880003]

>>20879850
I don’t get it. He’s white but was a cook in Vietnam? As in the Vietnam war or what?

[Anonymous No.20880011]

>>20879897
are you really blaming us for having negro fatigue? we live in an infinite multiverse and the best literature has to offer is cuck fantasies?

[Anonymous No.20880016]

>>20879991
>>20880001
Fuck off janny

[Anonymous No.20880026]

>>20879527
Kindle vella? You mean kindle short reads or is this something different ?

[Anonymous No.20880035]

>>20879933
I’m aiming to be the next F Gardner first. I’m going to buy 4chan ads and meme myself to fame.

[Anonymous No.20880057]

>>20879948
what's the message?

[Anonymous No.20880064]

>>20880057
Call of the Crocodile is a book worth your money

[Anonymous No.20880233]

Dont make another troll thread I swear to God

[Anonymous No.20880239]

>>20880233
Janny's going going to shit up with her (male) video game and avatarfag bullshit ans Gardner's with transparent shilling and gaslighting anyway. There are no non-troll threads.

[Anonymous No.20880294]

New thread >>20880291

[Anonymous No.20880347]

>>20879939
The hero with a thousand faces is well-written and interesting enough, I wouldn't recommend skipping it. The important thing to understand is that it's a failed anthropology text, not the treatise on storytelling that everybody characterizes it as. It's an antiquated branch of anthropology called comparative mythology that's as debunked and embarrassing to anthropologists as Freudian psychoanalysis is embarrassing to modern psychologists. It's worth firmly demystifying it by actually reading it.

[Anonymous No.20880740]

>>20879985
what? i've barely posted there yet

[Anonymous No.20881024]

>>20880347
Yeah that's my impression. It just seems irrelevant. It's also 500 pages and boring af