/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20872289]

What did Vladimur Dugin mean by this essay written only a few months before his attempted assassination?

>"But in the American elite, which is made up of people from a wide variety of backgrounds, at some point a critically large number of non-Americans have accumulated. They are predominantly Europeans, often from Russia. Many are ethnically Jewish but imbued with European or Russian-Soviet principles and cultural codes. They brought a different culture and philosophy to the United States. They did not understand or accept American pragmatism at all, seeing it only as a backdrop for their own advancement. That is, they took advantage of American opportunities, but did not intend to adopt a libertarian logic unrelated to any hint of totalitarianism. In reality, it was these alien elites who hijacked the old American democracy. It was they who took the helm of globalist structures and gradually seized power in the United States."

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/06/29/aleksandr-dugin-on-the-alien-substantially-jewish-elite-in-the-u-s-and-its-war-against-traditional-american-individualism/

[Anonymous No.20872291]

Fuck, I meant Alexandr Dugin.

[Anonymous No.20872295]

>>20872289
>Vladimur
what /pol/ does to a mf

[Anonymous No.20872330]

>>20872289
dugin finna go super saiyan on the great satan fr no cap

[Anonymous No.20872392]

I was just thinking along these lines. But we have to also consider the part the wasp elite played in this process. They set about the imperial adventures and built the dual-state apparatus. Now they are dying out and other forces are thrust into their position. They are much less competent and have different motives from the wasp elite who at least understood America and could claim publicly to be defending it.

[Anonymous No.20872410]

I'm just glad his daughter is dead

[Anonymous No.20872417]

>>20872289
Schizo rambling
Hopefully the next car bomb is successful

[Anonymous No.20872460]

>>20872417
It's really not, it's just bog-standard mystification of capitalist logic.

[Anonymous No.20872461]

>>20872460

[Anonymous No.20872545]

>>20872460
>>20872461
what book?
>>20872289
>but imbued with European or Russian-Soviet principles and cultural codes. They brought a different culture and philosophy to the United States. They did not understand or accept American pragmatism at all, seeing it only as a backdrop for their own advancement. That is, they took advantage of American opportunities, but did not intend to adopt a libertarian logic unrelated to any hint of totalitarianism. In reality, it was these alien elites who hijacked the old American democracy.
what

[Anonymous No.20872556]

>>20872545
>what book?
Arrighi's "Long Twentieth Century".

Here's a good blog with more up to date writings on the subject as an expansion of the author's master thesis.

https://empirewithoutemperor.wordpress.com/

[Anonymous No.20872578]

>>20872460
>>20872461
>graphs mean it's scientific

Arrighi is on my to-read list but come on, there is more to be said than is expressed in marx-inflected cyclical theories.

[Anonymous No.20872592]

>>20872460
wew this is retarded. I think the Dugin thing is a parallel to the commonly quoted maxim about stupid people reading complexity into complexly written works, even when there's nothing substantial in it.

I.E. People feel there needs to be a mastermind, an intellectual and rational justification for events, especially ones so crucially and potentially bloody as geopolitical ones, even when there actually isn't. The world's a scary place, and the idea that Dugin could be taken seriously in ANY hallways of power gives one nightmarish flashbacks to people thing of Rousseau as anything other than a turbotard.

[Anonymous No.20872606]

dugin is insane. he's a charlatan worse than jordan peterson.

he sounded so fucking retarded in the interview in pic related. when the BBC guy questioned him about his concept of truth he could only respond with "umm ... err .. ahh , well we russians have our own special russian truth". his whole philosophy is sone gigachad chud "everything that I say is true is true" shit

[Anonymous No.20872707]

>>20872410
me2 i hate women so much it's unreal

[Anonymous No.20872714]

>>20872460
i like how he said american hegemony ended in 1990. haha what a cope.

[Anonymous No.20872762]

>>20872289
sounds like something i would read on 4chan. i don't think it's completely true tho, americas immigration policy and brain drain is one of its greatest strengths imo. pandering by politicians to bored complacent native masses is more dangerous imo. this is just my vague opinion i could be wrong

[Anonymous No.20872777]

The USSR's collapse was a disaster for the human race.

[Anonymous No.20872794]

>>20872762
Your opinion is simply derived from the regimes that rule what is left of the West. Their ideology is on the verge of sinking under the weight of its own folly, so I hope you enjoy going down with it.

[Anonymous No.20872802]

>>20872777
Right. But only because it allowed the West to carry out the same project in a much more radical way.

[Anonymous No.20873015]

>>20872802
>same project
branworms go get checked

[Anonymous No.20873037]

>>20872606
No, you're an idiot and I don't even like Dugin. Dugin repeats German reactionary philosophers (Heidegger, Schmitt, Spengler are major influences). You'd understand what he meant by that if you were better read in 20th century phil and political phil.

[Anonymous No.20873149]

>>20872777
why

[Anonymous No.20873199]

>>20872289
Reading his quotes in this article it's amazing that he also carries what I thought was a uniquely American delusion. For the right winger, individual freedom is "the culture reflects my values." It is not enough to make ones own choices. How is not being allowed to proscribe an infringement on individual liberty? I have never seen a right winger provide a satisfactory answer to this question.

[Anonymous No.20873201]

>>20872545
>what book
I thought I'd seen those tables in Tragedy and Hope, by Carroll Quigley.

[Anonymous No.20873225]

>>20873199
>How is not being allowed to proscribe an infringement on individual liberty
am i retarded or is this worded in a strange way? what do you mean?

[Anonymous No.20873234]

>>20873225
'To proscribe' is the whole verbal phrase. Replace proscribe with 'ban things'

[Anonymous No.20873243]

>>20873199
No way you're over 18

[Anonymous No.20873262]

>>20872410
>>20872417
>>20872606
>>20872762
(((((((...

[Anonymous No.20873269]

>>20872460
“Social democratic reformists” as the anti-systemic forces in the West? Fucking kek those people are literally the functionaries of many of the superstructure/legal institutions listed as supporting the USA. Major leftoid cope in this infographic

[Anonymous No.20873300]

>>20873199
Because our concept of liberty reflects a totally hierarchical view of society. We see true liberty as the liberty to act unilaterally (why we are nationalists/have autarkic leanings) and the liberty to control others even to the point of enslavement. Basically some person or state isn’t free in our view unless it also has power because displays of power/will are the ultimate assertion of freedom. Sounds edgy but we all think like this

[Anonymous No.20873314]

>>20872289
who the fuck is Vladimur lolol

[Anonymous No.20873316]

now i truly see it's russian shills ruining /lit/

[Anonymous No.20873321]

>>20873300
Who's we? That makes no sense. I'm talking about the libertarian ethos Dugin is citing. Your spouting off some will to power mumbo jumbo about freedom as essence. His whole argument is that outsiders came in and used personal liberty to push a certain ethos. If you define personal liberty as cultural control from the get go this would be impossible.

[Anonymous No.20873336]

>>20873316
probably not even shills, more likely the edgy contrarians who love to talk about the nonsense Evola/Dugin/other "trad" mongs harp on about

[Anonymous No.20873354]

>>20873336
it's the same old story either way, it's people from outside the united states trying to undermine it by spreading racial animosity, encouraging people to drop out of school, "return to tradition", and other dumb shit. it all comes off as a bunch of weak ass copes. the stuff in op are such stupid misreadings. you think the guys that founded google are somehow invested in "russian-soviet principles" because their parents were russian academics who fled a hostile and failing culture for greener pastures? spare me man.

[Anonymous No.20873386]

/lit/ is full of retarded liberals who have poopoo brain

[Anonymous No.20873424]

>>20873354
Stalin refered to Satre and others as "useful idiots", with the proliferation of social media, the modern day everyman is the useful idiot who happily swallows everything they're told hook, like and sinker

[Anonymous No.20873431]

Immigrants are irredeemable trash, more news at 11.

[Anonymous No.20873440]

>>20872289

[Anonymous No.20873462]

>>20873431
???
Holy meds

[Anonymous No.20873485]

>>20873462
Hes right, the only people worse than immigrants are liberals who let them in.

[Anonymous No.20873498]

> Car bomb [botched]
> Now Dugin is in the hospital for a heart attack
You guys are beyond hope if you don't realize this was very fucking obviously an FSB job.

[Anonymous No.20873507]

>>20873498
Wtf I love FSB now

[Anonymous No.20873509]

>>20873485
>liberals who let them in.
kek

[Anonymous No.20873510]

>>20873507
I mean, they've been the greatest and most successful killers of Russians, so...

[Anonymous No.20873519]

>>20873498
Dugin hasnt been relevant in a decade. Stop smoking crack fag.

[Anonymous No.20873528]

>>20873498
>those teeth
man putin couldn't get one of this oligarch homies to get the guy some braces? yikers

[Anonymous No.20873533]

>>20873528
spotted the faggot

[Anonymous No.20873536]

>>20872289
He means that america is controlled by jews which is not news for anyone

[Anonymous No.20873538]

>>20873519
And when has that ever fucking stopped them?
They'll poison an entire apartment building over settling a 30 years-old grudge, if you think they are above killing some useful idiot purely to send a message, you are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.20873551]

> It's another Russian troll farm blue smurf who can't contain their obsession over Jews because they had to larp as them to get into the West through jewish visa programs thread!

[Anonymous No.20873558]

>>20873300
Good take

[Anonymous No.20873565]

>>20873536
now do all the russian oligarchs that support putin?

[Anonymous No.20873569]

>>20873354
post physique

[Anonymous No.20873570]

>>20873533
spotted the potato bug

[Anonymous No.20873571]

>>20872460
i think the war section falls down somewhat. he doesn't seem to understand the shift from hard to soft power -- nationalist/regionalist conflicts are not traditional 'wars' at all.

[Anonymous No.20873578]

>>20873565
All the russian billionaires in russia? what
This isn't even good pilpul anon, youd expect russians to be in control of russia, not jews in control of america and not just 40% of billionaires

[Anonymous No.20873580]

>>20872289
>Vladimur
?

[Anonymous No.20873581]

>>20873565
Dugin's daughter herself was currently getting more involved in politics and had been tasked with mediating high level meetings amongst Putin's circle.
Possibly, she was the intended target.

[Anonymous No.20873602]

>>20873300
>the liberty to control others even to the point of enslavement
based

[Anonymous No.20873618]

[Anonymous No.20873625]

>>20873578
>russian billionaires
They were all putins jewish butt buddies.

[Anonymous No.20873633]

>>20873578
Are you even educated on how many Russian billionaires, including Putin's closest childhood friends are Jewish?

[Anonymous No.20873642]

>>20873618
Based and true
Whites are niggercattle for jews
Truly a defective race

[Anonymous No.20873652]

>>20873633
>>20873625
source? How many people in the russian government are jewish?

[Anonymous No.20873657]

>>20873536
America is controlled by the Vatican

[Anonymous No.20873662]

> Darkest plot twist possible
He was in on it.
Or, he convinced someone that it should be done (but not to his daughter), and the guy decided to troll him by sacrificing her.

[Anonymous No.20873674]

>>20873652
A helluva lot of them. Starting with this man:
>Rotenberg is of Jewish ancestry. He is a close confidant, business partner, and childhood friend of president Vladimir Putin

[Anonymous No.20873682]

>>20873662
What's the original text? I want to put it through translate to see for myself

[Anonymous No.20873688]

>>20872417
Get help degenerate.

[Anonymous No.20873690]

>>20873674
>one guy
>not in the government
bruh
btw not sure how russia being (supposedly) jewed undos america being jewed (10 times worse). that was my original post

[Anonymous No.20873710]

The whole assasination thing is greek tragedy tier.
>all that happened is consequences of his own actions but at the same time undeserved
>can't hide from fate (survived by switching cars only to witness death of his daughter)
>all three unities
>catharsis when he witnesses her death
I feel for man but at the same time almost envy him.

[Anonymous No.20873717]

>>20873682
http://arcto.ru/article/1655

[Anonymous No.20873720]

>>20873690
>Putin's closest friend
>one guy
>ignoring that the list of Russian billionaires is topped by Jews
You are terribly uninformed on everything.

[Anonymous No.20873728]

>>20873710
Put that way, it's more Shakespearian than Greek.

[Anonymous No.20873741]

>>20872289
/pol/ is like listening to a child ramble. no one takes your seriously and no one is actually listening. imagine never moving beyond /pol/ shitposting. some of you really are stuck here forever. eternal midwits

[Anonymous No.20873748]

>suspect you're a target
>set daughter up instead
Why are russians like this

[Anonymous No.20873749]

>>20873720
still waiting for source buddy, not to mention how you brought it up as a "defense" for america being run by jews, as dugin said

[Anonymous No.20873784]

>>20873728
how so?

[Anonymous No.20873797]

>>20873749
Dude you seriously need a quick trip over to /k/.

[Anonymous No.20873818]

>>20873674
Why does he look like guy from Got (who got killed off in season1) ?

[Anonymous No.20873876]

>>20873784
Shakespearian tragedy is more about the particular character and life than Greek tragedy, which could really happen to anyone.

[Anonymous No.20873998]

>>20873015
Destroying civilization isn't a drastically different process just because it fails to adhere to every economic principle of Karl Marx, he's no longer needed anymore.

[Anonymous No.20874126]

>>20873797
>its a juice
Why does Israel support Ukraine then?

[Anonymous No.20874137]

>>20874126
Theyre obviously playing both sides you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.20874138]

>>20873797
Hebrew is Greek and the Israelites were white

[Anonymous No.20874143]

>>20873998
Based anon who can see the truth beyond sophistry

[Anonymous No.20874424]

Duginists be like "I'm a traditionalist nazbol who thinks people need to learn their place in the divinely ordained hierarchy, but also the globalists are evil because they don't respect individual liberty and think they're better than everyone else"

[Anonymous No.20874526]

>>20872289
Literally nothing, it means the same thing it always has, he's been saying this shit for years.

[Anonymous No.20874544]

>>20873797
>Jew are rich
Didn't know.

[Anonymous No.20874653]

>>20874424
>BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME! AHA GOTCHA!
>t. centrist circa 2012

[Anonymous No.20874702]

>>20874424
Globalists are evil because they are degenerative-fake-elite. A parasitic foreign entity.
Any healthy body will try to remove its parasites.

So if these parasites govern us then we are not healthy.
Once we remove and execute all of them we will regain our health and vitality.

> Nooo!!!
> I subverted your societies!!
> This means that I'm superior!!
> You can't kill me goy!!

Fuck off trash.
A crown does not make you king.

[Anonymous No.20874726]

>>20873749
Btw Russian/Slavic jews are cool anyways, don't fall for his antisemitism, equating them to german jews a la US elite or other non-slavs like soros.

[Anonymous No.20874731]

>>20874702
Why are Anglos fit to rule the USA not globalists? Both are foreigners. The land was first settled by someone else.

[Anonymous No.20874750]

>>20874731
Aryans are better rulers.
Germanics are the best living aryans.
Globalists are fallen aryans (corrupted), non-aryan humanoids or lesser beasts (niggers, arabs, jews, etc).
They make shit rulers.

In less than a century after WW2 after their victory their only produced chaos and ugliness.

Again. A crown does not make you king.
If the king is not fit then it has to be removed.
A parasite is removed from a healthy body.
The body of western civilization and western soul have ass-worms in the brain.

[Anonymous No.20874758]

>>20874726
Russian and German Jews are all Ashkenazim anyway, speaking Yiddish, etc

[Anonymous No.20874763]

>>20874726
They're tiresome and annoying. Full of deceit. They've been using their "victory over fascism" cult as a geopolitical weapon for years, getting absolutely hysterical about petty things like Latvians or Ukrainians celebrating their SS legions. Fuck Russia and their ugly antifa cult.

[Anonymous No.20874764]

>>20874750
Holy meds

[Anonymous No.20874827]

>>20872460
>relation with world
>conquer
Absolutely metal.

[Anonymous No.20874855]

>>20872460
>>20872461

>mysticist engages with ideas according to his own set of rules
>"yeah this is a pretty basic misunderstanding of my hecking logical economic historical determinism :^)"
what I find really fascinating about contemporary discourse is that structuralists, rationalists, and postmodernists will all constantly engage in blatant retard tribalism under a thinly-veiled coat of their preferred meme utopian ideology, which denies their own behavior. This is probably the most maddening thing about our times, because historically at least hypocrites never hid behind multiple layers of fake objectivism, they just openly stood for their tribal biases.
you are a sad fucking parody of yourself you Shapiran cocksucker

Anyways, I work in the physical sciences and somehow this contradiction is less offensive in that environment, where everyone is a blatantly partisan autist, as opposed to common society where upjumped normalfaggots preach on behalf of a million faux-objective pseudointellectual schools of thought, while the biggest sin is pointing this out. the concept is taken both more and less seriously and it is simply disgusting.
Really intellectualism was a massive mistake, making stupidity the primary sin in society as opposed to actual moral failure has just caused every middle-class nigger to pathetically argue for their own brand of dipshittery, where one's intellectual ego comes first, facts come second, and actual externalities are a distant third.
I'm not LARPing as an enlightened centrist either, I have strong opinions on many subjects

[Anonymous No.20874860]

>>20874758
Both are ashkenazim but culturally very different.
The only ones speaking Yiddish nowadays can be found in NYC (ultra orthodox germanic MAGA drones) and obviously partially all German speakers as they use words that were inherited from Yiddish.
Russian Jews are logic beasts and will have the most influence in the long term because they will dominate the field of informatics as their only 'competitor' are indian codemonkeys that only into sucking up to their higher-ups.

[Anonymous No.20874884]

>>20873321
I thought you were asking how we reconcile our sense of liberty with the politics of hierarchy and control. As to what Dugin meant, he’s talking about the constellation of pro-democratic beliefs Americans (not conservative Americans specifically at all) hold related to power. Most Americans vaguely believed things like “the best ideas win out”, “they won next time but we’ll get ‘em in 2 years”, “we lost but what’s important is the peaceful transition of power”, “we do it differently in my city/state and that’s a good thing”. Dugin is insinuating that this system is fragile and presupposes a lot of good faith, so when a militant ideology (here, Zionism) comes onto the scene normal Americans will, to their peril, give it a fair chance due to wrongly assuming that the ideologues respect democratic norms

[Anonymous No.20874898]

>>20872289
All this dugin thing is smoke and mirrors distraction from pookraine steadily losing ground and hundreds of soldiers daily (jewlensky's own admition)
Ruble is doing fine, trade is doing fine, more and more area is captured (or liberated depending on your side)
All of this will be forgotten in 5-6 days and changes nothing

[Anonymous No.20874926]

>>20874898
Why do you come to /lit/ with such poor English? You're probably still stuck with children's literature.

[Anonymous No.20874927]

>>20874855
They feign objectivity (or more dangerously actually believe they are objective) because objectivity is what allows them to universalize their system. They believe themselves to be in possession of a master key that affords them the position of disinterested observer. This is where they take a totalitarian turn: if everyone else is a biased monkey, I have the mandate to disregard everything they say, in fact, I have the mandate to destroy them. Of course the idea that one can ever truly have no skin in the game when it comes to politics/idpol/whatever is insane but they seem to mostly truly believe that

[Anonymous No.20875116]

>>20874726
>>20874860
This is retarded and you don't know what you're talking about. The German Jews were the ones who came over in the 19th century with the wave of German immigration and they generally assimilated into Northeast WASP political outlooks. They were Anglophiles and could care less about the woes of Eastern European Jews, in fact they generally looked down on Eastern Yids as cartoonish reminders of how they as Jews were not WASPs, and they hated how they fed into antisemitism. German Jews were generally Conservative sects and numbered in the 10,000s. The Chabad and Orthodox Hasids all came over by the millions from Eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century as the Russian Empire started to disintegrate. They flooded and took over Manhattan and spread out from there throughout the Northeast and to every major city in the country. They formed Jewish organized crime groups, created their own interest groups and cultural institutions, and are overwhelmingly responsible for the toxic Jewish American identity as it stands today.

[Anonymous No.20875184]

>>20873354
I'm American and read Dugin. I don't like Russia or Putin but I don't like America or Biden either.

[Anonymous No.20875193]

>>20873354
>spreading racial animosity

I spread racial animosity because I live in a city full of blacks who constantly murder and riot.

[Anonymous No.20875205]

>>20872289
>listening to a Russian on how Russians took over the United States and how that's a bad thing

[Anonymous No.20875210]

>>20875205
Dugin isn't a Communist, though. He's talking about Communists infiltrating the US.

[Anonymous No.20875220]

>>20875210
>Communists infiltrating the US
Give even a single reason for thinking this ever happened

[Anonymous No.20875273]

>>20874884
>Dugin is insinuating that this system is fragile and presupposes a lot of good faith
But this is not only what he is insinuating. I refer specifically to this cited quote
>This, however, represented a completely new interpretation of liberalism for the American tradition. The old liberalism argued: no one can ever impose anything on me. The new liberalism responded: a culture of abolition, shaming, total elimination of old habits, sex change, freedom to dispose of the human foetus (pro-choice), equal rights for women and races is not just a possibility, it is a necessity. The old liberalism said: be what you want, as long as it works. The new one replied: you have no right not to be a liberal. If you are not a progressive, you are a Nazi and must be destroyed. Everything must be sacrificed in the name of freedom, LGBT+, transgender and artificial intelligence.
This paragraph could have come directly from an american neocon pundit. He is not, here, saying that classical liberalism is an insufficient guard against subversion (though he no doubt believes this to be the case); he is making a clear distinction between "nothing can be imposed on me" and "you can't not be a liberal."
But here's the thing, there's nothing stopping you from living the trad life, you just can't force a trad paradigm on the public. Therefore, personal liberty is secured, the paradigm hasn't changed. The only reason one would believe that the paradigm has changed is because they believed that the old American liberalism guaranteed majoritarian stasis. This is a simple factual error. In the states, I would think it to be intentional political framing, but Dugin has no real incentive to frame it this way. He can just be a full stop cultural protectionist.

[Anonymous No.20875312]

>>20872410

It's cool AF that he's paying a price for his asshole ideas!!! He probably never thought it would happen!!! :D

[Anonymous No.20875323]

>>20874763
No u

[Anonymous No.20875333]

>>20875220
The US government has siezed the means of production in the US and made corporations like Apple, Microsoft and Raytheon extentions of the US government.

[Anonymous No.20875339]

>>20875312
I can't wait for Fauci's family to get killed in retribution for the lockdowns that destroyed the middle-class.

[Anonymous No.20875705]

How do I join the JIDF? Threads like this are a goldmine for active shills. Do I need to send a CV or something?