Should you kill yourself?

[Anonymous No.20861934]

Cioran said no, because you kill yourself later on anyways. But if we all are going to die one day, Is it really worth it to spend 70-80 years struggling? What is the award for endurance? Where lies the comfort of life?

[Anonymous No.20861948]

>>20861934
Anyone have any tips for suicide? Feeling pretty bad lately, desu.

I mean mainly in the psychological department, btw, actually gaining the nadgers to go out and buy a rope, that sort of thing; though I suppose pointers on know tying couldn't hurt.

[Anonymous No.20861959]

>>20861948
Best to do it on impulse, walk into traffic or jump off something high

[Anonymous No.20861963]

A heroic death or suicide is highly preferable than being a whiny depressed antinatalist.

>>20861948
Get into shape, sleep well. Wretched people are afraid of both life and death.

[Anonymous No.20861967]

>>20861959
I get this, but I'm the least impulsive person in the world and rarely leave my house. Where exactly is one supposed to stumble upon a motor-way thoroughfare on the arduous trek from one's bedroom to one's kitchen? Plus I want to minimise the time during the metaphorical, or in fact literal, 'falling time', as this is something I've pondered as I lay in bed often, and I always find in the most profoundly disturbing thing, on the level as a downed knight hearing the sounds of the systematic throat-slitting of his follows slowing encroaching on his position.

>>20861963
Whining about losers is just as pathetic as being a loser oneself, moreso in fact, especially when then aren't bothering you.

[Anonymous No.20862006]

>>20861934
>Cioran said no, because you kill yourself later on anyways
He said no because, like Camus (an even worse coper), he didn't want to look like a hypocrite by remaining alive.

[Anonymous No.20862023]

>>20862006
because they couldn't admit that it isn't life that sucks. It's humanity that fucking sucks. What a waste of intelligence, may my soul rematerialize on a better planet with better creatures.

[Anonymous No.20862113]

>>20861934
>Cioran said no
Nigger bitch was a fucking monster from the abyss who said many things

>Kill yourself because you are what you are, yes, but not because all humanity would spit in your face!

Emil Cioran, The Trouble with Being Born

For Cioran obsession with the option of suicide is a liberation like Stoics:

>When people come to me saying they want to kill themselves, I tell them, “What’s your rush? You can kill yourself any time you like. So calm down. Suicide is a positive act.” And they do calm down.

Emil Cioran, The Trouble with Being Born

And suicide obsession as hell:

>The obsession with suicide is characteristic of the man who can neither live nor die, and whose attention never swerves from this double impossibility.

The New Gods

>No position is so false as having understood and still remaining alive.

TTWBB

>Why don’t I kill myself? If I knew exactly what keeps me from doing so, I should have no more questions to ask myself since I should have answered them all.

The New Gods

[Anonymous No.20862117]

>>20862006
>hypocrite
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Cioran was a hack and a monster

>>We should repeat to ourselves, every day: I am one of the billions dragging himself across the earth’s surface. One, and no more. This banality justifies any conclusion, any behavior or action: debauchery, chastity, suicide, work, crime, sloth, or rebellion, … Whence it follows that each man is right to do what he does.

-Emil Cioran, The Trouble with Being Born

[Anonymous No.20862175]

>>20862006
This, desu. Literally any 'pessimist' who doesn't off themselves is a coward, and it's even worse if they actually try to intellectually justify their position, rather than just trying to ignore it.

I have no intellectual or ethical qualms about suicide—quite the contrary—the only reason I haven't done it is because I'm shit scaredless and can't even begin to fathom how some lucky sods manage it, escaping this hell in a blink of the eye.

Fuck the demiurge.

[Anonymous No.20862280]

>>20861934
pessimists, nihilists, antinatalists etc should just take meds or drugs and voila no more suffering

[Anonymous No.20862290]

>>20862280
>just take these pills to become a zombie so you could stop thinking and questioning
Kys subhuman

[Anonymous No.20862316]

>>20862290
>subhuman
bit ironic quoting Nietzsche in a Cioran thread innit

[Anonymous No.20862335]

>>20862316
He talked about subhumans

>Encounter with a subman. Three hours that might have turned to torment, had I not continuously reminded myself that I was not wasting my time, that after all I was lucky enough to contemplate a specimen of what humanity will be in a few generations . . .

Cioran, Drawn and Quartered

[Anonymous No.20862342]

>>20861934
>What is the award for endurance?
Why do you think there should be an award? What makes you think you are special? What's with the inflated ego? The Universe doesn't owe you anything.

Anyway, Philipp Mainländer was the only one, who wasn't a poser. He wrote his work and used a stack of said works to hang himself as soon as it was published.

[Anonymous No.20863568]

the point is to find out for yourself

[Anonymous No.20864890]

>>20861963
Thanks Dr. Peterson.

[Anonymous No.20865286]

>>20862113
>>No position is so false as having understood and still remaining alive.
I felt that. Or going monk mode.

[Anonymous No.20865331]

>>20861948
Don't rope. Buy large gauge shotgun and a box of SOLID SLUGS. NOT BUCKSHOT. SLUGS. Blow head off. Aim towards upwards middle back of head through mouth.

I'd prefer you tough it out like the rest of us, things can improve if you work hard enough but I understand how you feel. Don't rope, don't cut wrists don't jump or drug yourself.

Shotgun mouthwash is much more foolproof. Don't use a pistol, don't aim at clicheville side of the head unless you want to spend a couple eternal moments bleeding to death.

On second thought, I don't think there really is foolproof was to kill yourself. Plenty of poor bastards survive the attempt and live on as human vegetables.

You're probably better off just staying alive. Remember, God hates suicides and will send them to hell.

You're better off just living your life until it's natural conclusion.

[Anonymous No.20865333]

>>20862175
>>20861948
Klonopin is useful for getting rid of the fear of death, fwiw

[Anonymous No.20865354]

there's literally no point to reading cioran when schopenhauer exists

[Anonymous No.20865394]

>>20865354
Just like there’s no point taking weed when H exists

[Anonymous No.20865413]

>>20861934
Suicide is for pussy faggots, second only to atheism in its moral turpitude and wretchedness.

[Anonymous No.20865453]

>>20865413
ever been to a old folks home and seen how your brave heroes live? Lol, no, because you know it’s the complete opposite and the weak desperately cling to life, living like shot out of fear and cowardice

[Anonymous No.20865479]

>>20865413
And yet self destruction requires an absurd amount of courage just to commit the act. Overriding the inate drive to live is a colossal undertaking you judgmental faggot.

I'm willing to bet you couldn't do it.

[Anonymous No.20865514]

>>20861934
The body, above all, is designed to feel pain. Normies are smarter than you might think - this whole time, Genius has been lauded such for their committment to transfiguring their own pain.
Pain is what drives us to draw blood like we mean it. Pain is what makes us realize the brutal trade off implicit to life. Pain is what our bodies gift us to remind us that when you drive your shiny hyundai, a chinese woman contemplates her suicide as she peers down into the net that has been set up outside her sweatshop to catch those who try to jump. The smooth veneers of personal technology isn't 'a good life.' It's not positive thinking to shiver as your arms reach into the fridge for your comfort food. It's passive fear. What active fear does best is automate suffering: instincts are the alpha and omega targets of the modern world. First, kill the fight or flight instinct, and allow a sense of displacement to incur the mind of the lost. Second, kill the instinct for nervous reaction, and send the lost spiralling down into a sterilized nightmare of claustrophilia.
I'm not advocating for maximizing pain, I'm advocating for an ecology of suffering and death - I'm advocating for realizing that your self-sovreignity is found just as much when you laugh as when you bleed. Why did young boys always sign up for service? Because they knew they had to get away from this increasingly ossified postmodern senility of urban existence.

[Anonymous No.20865522]

>>20865514
When you get sick, it's YOU who gets sick, and as such, you accept the terms that it is YOU that dies. When you cop shrapnel, you bleed to death. Power for the war machine - deathconsciousness in the flesh. What medicine has a tendency of doing (the fact most people don't seem to talk about this FREAKS me out) is 'communizing' the disease - that is - healthcare is the great leveller par excellence - it has absolutely no regard for those who see the benefits of pain - crazies, for example. They are locked up and chemically lobotomized just before they break through the stratosphere. The healthcare system also despises those who nearly make it (to death) - the obese (who are suicidal.) They try to deflate them and in the process remove from them the dignity of being a freak. Their death shall forever remain in the service of a disinfected glove. Our bodies are designed to shit and piss themselves upon death as a kind of farewell anaesthetic. Truly returning to monkey in that most crucial moment is a blessing. It disgusts the observer, and so it should. Death is for the individual, not for the living. Horror movies follow the same pattern as pornography because neither can escape the weight of inheriting medical debt: where incest is prevalent in the latter, interfamilial destruction in the former (hereditary.) Death has been democratized to soothe the living such that they themselves become living dead. The more lively death becomes, the less people ever die, and the more the living become the dead, the less the living are ever alive.

[Anonymous No.20865686]

>>20861934
you have to wageslave for 40 years because your parents wanted to have 40 minutes of fun. I wasn't born with a wagecuck instinct, because I fucking hate society, work, normies, women, everything.

[Anonymous No.20865693]

>>20862006
>>20862117
god what pseud shit. Imagine writing books when you're a nigger pseud like Camus.
>BRO IF YOU HATE LIFE JUST KILL YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS MEANS YOU DON'T HATE LIFE OMFG LMAO LE NIGGER ARGUMENT KABLOWIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTFO'D
Uhh... no? I hate life but my self-preservation instinct doesn't allow me to kill myself. Have you thought about that, you stupid fucking retard? I guess I'm smarter than Camus, cool. I should write books.

[Anonymous No.20866122]

>>20861934
>its comfort and not struggle that makes the man
perish weakling

[Anonymous No.20866131]

He's got a few witty aphorisms, but at the end of the day, it's simply ignorant to argue that there is nothing enjoyable in life.

[Anonymous No.20866135]

>>20865514
nicely written. altho surely its glory, adventure and camaraderie that young men enlisted for.

[Anonymous No.20866139]

A lot of my anti-suicide thinking is caring about the 2040 american election, what the EU looks like in 2050, how many teams they shoved into the NHL by 2060, but I have too little that ties me to places and people

[Anonymous No.20866146]

>>20866139
>the 2040 american election
Why this year in particular?

[Anonymous No.20866149]

>>20862342
>Philipp Mainländer was the only one
Michelstädter would like a word with you. Oh wait, he shot himself after completing his book.

[Anonymous No.20866174]

>>20861934
You're not obliged to do it. In the end, the answer to this question will always rely on desire and the life of the one who desires it

But for me, we put this question making a judgement about future: the future will always be bad(pessimism) or the future will always be good(optimism) and the future will be good and bad(realism), but the question is: I'ts the future worthwhile? and the answer is: you can't know. We can only know how things are know, not how they will be in the future. Then, thinking life from present's perspective erases the question and all the positions above. Suicide is an act of faith, or at least an illegitimate hopelesness

[Anonymous No.20866212]

What a retarded question
take the ug krishnamurti pill

[Anonymous No.20866224]

>>20865354
>schopenhauer
miss me with that germanic buddhism

[Anonymous No.20866229]

>>20861934
>Buddhism
Noo broo by killing yourself you will bring more misery and suffering to your family and/or chain of reincarnations. Also ultimately there is no self so suicide is wrong view that arises from an unwholesome ilusory mind state.

>Gurdjieff
You reptile piece of shit, you live under the prevalent power of those that live like machines believing to be gods. Asleep in your conditioned existence you will take a stupid decision because you are a retard that can't access the unlimited power of observation.

>UG
Nothing has real ultimate substance but that has nothing to do with the impressive natural intelligence and wisdom of your body. LEAVE IT ALONE Don't use thought to masturbate your miserable ideas. And you haven't choose to be born so you are no one to decide when to die.

[Anonymous No.20866270]

>>20865693
Based

[Anonymous No.20866302]

>>20861934
>Cioran
Who?

[Anonymous No.20866305]

>my self-preservation instinct
People ended their life all the time when it aligned with their higher purpose. Samurai, vikings... The difference is you're not a man, you're not ready and suicide is just a shameful escape.

[Anonymous No.20866375]

>>20861934
There are no universal values and so no universal reason to commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.20866377]

>>20865693
>I hate life but my self-preservation instinct doesn't allow me to kill myself.
So you love life? Non-pessimists are able to commit suicide and overcome the life preserving instinct, surely you can too.

[Anonymous No.20866378]

You should only kill yourself when you are highly certain of your future (and it's bad), which is not common.

[Anonymous No.20866391]

>>20866377
>So you love life? Non-pessimists are able to commit suicide and overcome the life preserving instinct, surely you can too.
Everyone on this imageboard wants pussy and money but very few people do anything about it. Which means there's more to it.
Think about how people end up in jail, homeless or tortured by criminals, or have to wageslave for 40 years and so on. They hate their existence but they keep doing it, because it doesn't matter whether you love your life or not, you're forced to live it.

[Anonymous No.20866393]

Can we get some reading lists and charts for this thread anons?

[Anonymous No.20866411]

>>20866305
Just because you know something is good it doesn't mean it becomes easy to do, stupid faggot. When you live, live sucks, but killing yourself sucks even harder. But that doesn't make life any better. Do you understand? HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
It's like telling a guy in prison:
>dude just escape if you hate it here, I'm tired of your complaining
and then he says
>I can't, it's too difficult
and then you tell him
>so it means you love being in prison! hah... take that, faggot!

[Anonymous No.20866460]

>>20866411
I don't think that's why. It's easier to die when your life has meaning. You're screwed.

[Anonymous No.20866498]

>>20866460
You're romanticizing adrenaline and testosterone.

[Anonymous No.20866500]

>>20865331
Why slugs? I've not heard that before and it seems counter to logic: surely more pellets can't be a bad thing? They'll surely sever the brain stem, which is all one really requires to collapse consciousness. Why do you urge an avoidal of the rope? I don't live in a free country and to get a shotgun licence would require three people to give the okay, and if I suddenly come out as an amateur clay pidgeon enthusiast to my family I fear, regardless of how slow they appear to be, they might work it out!

I do wish I could just buy a shotgun, though. Cioran wrote about the comforting effects of the ubiquity of implements of suicide in daily life; I'd feel far happier knowing had had a 1 minute ticket to eternity lodged at the bottom of the chest.

[Anonymous No.20866506]

>>20865686
Based fuck existence.

I was born from a 42 year old mother. My god, what was the bloody point in such a nonsensical farce? Why would anyone think that they had the capability for child rearing when they'd so clearly failed in sorting out any sort of life priorities that they were flailing about for a sperm-injecter at such an age? Comic comic comic! I wish a had a friend with whom I could laugh at it all.

[Anonymous No.20866511]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0UrRWyIZ74

Suicide is viewed negatively nearly all around the world, but the word itself gives me comfort and a peace of mind. There is always a "thing" which I cant describe that keeps me going, however little it is. Whenever I am talking to myself in my mind and imagination it is always this topic - "Relax, you can always die and you will die one day, it is inevitable so Relax and remember that the suffering will end soon".

[Anonymous No.20866520]

>>20865413
>suicide is bad
>le atheism like it's still fucking 2006
midwit

[Anonymous No.20866525]

>>20866411
Kek, utterly btfo

[Anonymous No.20866583]

If you get ECT, it lowers your IQ after 40 sessions and erases your memory. Basically like being born again.

Redditors arent going to like to here this. Unless youre actually mentally ill, you feel this way because of money, or rather the lack thereof. As someone with a 160+ IQ that went from poverty to making $89k a year, I'll tell you 100% of my suffering in life was financial. Even now because I started from nothing it's difficult ( but not unbearable). All money related. All improved with money. If i was richer still, id be happier than a lark. If you can't get money you're screwed. I would fret and be upset about finances every moment. This is why you're upset and you think life isn't good.

If you can't get money, best bet is to lower your IQ and hopefully erase whatever existential scarcities from your concern. I see a lot of people happy making $14 an hour or less. That's because they have low IQs so their minds were never burdened with big desires or concerns. My advice would be to lower yours as much as is humanly possible. If I was stuck in a dead-end job still, I would get ECT to oblivion (never had it period) . Eventually you'll either benefit from it therapeutically or your IQ and long term memory would be optimally pruned, as is done with trees. Sure they could have been something greater but pruning it allows it to survive. You put a 145+ IQ in poverty, you put them in hell.

[Anonymous No.20866586]

>>20861934
I highly recommend to everyone in this thread who hates life so much and thinks everything is terrible to please, please, please, please just kill yourselves. Do it. End your "suffering" and make more room on earth for people who appreciate it. Stop taking up space and breathing my air. Stop shitting up 4chan with your sob blogs. We're as tired of you as your families are. So please kill yourselves. You are not wanted or needed, you are a waste and the world would be that much better without you.

Now this thread better be pure silence in the next 24-48 hours because hopefully you'll have all taken a large amount of pills, hanged yourselves, suck-started a shotgun or jumped off something high enough.

Have a nice day and fuck you, pussies.

[Anonymous No.20866595]

>>20866583
can confirm, I had psychotic rage attacks when I got fired because I knew I'd be farther from my goals of retiring young. Redditors can kill themselves. Being rich is the key to happiness. After that it's all up to you. But there's no fucking way you can live and be happy if you have to wage and deal with poverty, with a boss, with stress, with bills, with lack of sleep, with shit health and a bad neighborhood. Fuck redditors and fuck all stupid niggers that say "money doesn't bring happiness..

[Anonymous No.20866597]

>>20866586
Hasn't school started back yet?

[Anonymous No.20866598]

>>20866597

[Anonymous No.20866600]

>>20866586
who the fuck appreciates life? bro, most people wageslave until they die. What kind of life is that? Go tell the average wagie that "life is a gift" and he will look confused at you, like you're a retard. Then he will straighten his face and ignore you, accepting that you're a stupid, naive child.

[Anonymous No.20866618]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWHScqsSL4g

[Anonymous No.20866630]

>>20866600
Most wage slaves are conned into the idea that lifes good. They wage slave then they go home and coom or gayym, or teeveee, or drink or dude weeed as distractions. Day in and day out until they die. They convinced themselves that 2 hours of evening time and weekend time are worth the toil because they're low IQ first of all and are high time preference retards and actually feel like those 8 hours of work were nothing compared to those 2 hours of fun. In a word, they cope.

[Anonymous No.20866658]

>>20866583
Isn't it easy for high IQ people to make money?

[Anonymous No.20866660]

>>20866618
i think forest-anon is one of the few people who can say they truly appreciate life and are happy

[Anonymous No.20866678]

>>20866618
>>20866660
That cunt is a fucking attention whore. He is there to get attention by uploading bs for retarded teens on YouTube. The vices of fame are no better than some dancing whore on Tiktok. What a pathetic little man, still hungry for civilizational cancer even in wilderness.

[Anonymous No.20866680]

>>20866678
calm down lmfao

[Anonymous No.20866694]

>>20866618
Based. Was waiting for this one.

[Anonymous No.20866697]

>>20866680
>>20866694
Stop shilling yourself junkie faggot

[Anonymous No.20866704]

>>20866697
Take your meds, anon.

[Anonymous No.20866705]

>>20866704
No, I won't smoke meth like you.

[Anonymous No.20866714]

>>20866705
Come on, just one hit.

[Anonymous No.20866718]

>>20866714
No.

[Anonymous No.20866730]

>>20866718

[Anonymous No.20866733]

>>20866730

[Anonymous No.20866741]

>>20866733

[Anonymous No.20866746]

>>20866741
Is he your gayman?

[Anonymous No.20866755]

>>20866746
No this is gayman

[Anonymous No.20866761]

>>20866755
Good

[Anonymous No.20866763]

>>20861934
>Cioran said no, because you kill yourself later on anyways.
That's not what he said. Didn't he say "You would always kill yourself too late, which makes suicide pointless"?

[Anonymous No.20866773]

>>20865693
Damn, man, you ruined my streak of three pleasant replies. There's always gotta be that one person raging at me(?), though.
Anyway, yes, Camus mentioned this:
>I hate life but my self-preservation instinct doesn't allow me to kill myself
but it was only a small part of his cope. Here:
>In a man’s attachment to life there is something stronger than all the ills in the world. The body’s judgement is as good as the mind’s and the body shrinks from annihilation. We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. In that race which daily hastens us towards death, the body maintains its irreparable lead.

[Anonymous No.20866787]

>>20866773
and we get the habit of crying before we get the habit of speaking, therefore we should just scream 24/7 instead of talking. I get it.

[Anonymous No.20866799]

>>20861934
haha what a bunch of loser faggots in this thread

[Anonymous No.20866815]

>>20866799
These threads bring out defeated scumbags who devote their time complaining and validating eachother's misery. It's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.20866986]

>>20862113

[Anonymous No.20867014]

>>20861934
> Cioran said no, because you kill yourself later on anyways. But if we all are going to die one day, Is it really worth it to spend 70-80 years struggling? What is the award for endurance? Where lies the comfort of life?
There is no 'should'. You do or you don't. As long as you are alive, you have a duty to live it, not because it is good but because your other options ultimately lead to inaction and a further lack of satisfaction. You are essentially worsening your suffering by doing that without the act of suicide. As long as you are alive then it's wise to take the best course of action to improve your life simply because you are alive.
Struggling is a part of life and a big part of it but you act like you cannot find personal value in those years that you are alive or that you cannot find things enjoyable. If you view these emotions and ideas as fleeting, you can view sadness and despair the same way.

tl;dr It's a pointless question because you are not dead and have a duty to improve your life rather than to ponder over something you are not going to do that worsens the quality of your life.