/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20858197]

What are the most important books on the topic of suicide?

[Anonymous No.20858252]

>>20858197

[Anonymous No.20858254]

Hume's essay on suicide

[Anonymous No.20858260]

Paul Ludwig Landsberg's

[Anonymous No.20858267]

>>20858197
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.20858270]

>>20858197
>>20858252
>>20858254
>only lefty atheists write about suicide
Gets your nogging jogging

[Anonymous No.20858277]

>>20858197
kokoro by soseki, natsume

[Anonymous No.20858286]

>>20858270
Hume's is basically the primal circular logic of modern leftist views on suicide so yeah

[Anonymous No.20858307]

>>20858270
Rightoids don't think deeply about these things. At most they'll sum it up to a character fault and curse God when it happens to them.

[Anonymous No.20858321]

>>20858270
Religious people don't need to think about these things as often. Right wingers are more often religious.

[Anonymous No.20858327]

>>20858307
>>20858321
So you mean they're more mentally healthy?

[Anonymous No.20858328]

>>20858270
Rightoids usually just lie to themselves, before also doing it

[Anonymous No.20858332]

>>20858197
Haven’t read it myself but Emile Durkheim has one that’s apparently held in high regard.

[Anonymous No.20858335]

>>20858327
They most certainly aren't. Most right wing religious countries are filled with drug use, violence and abuse

[Anonymous No.20858341]

>>20858335
40% is quite high my dude are you alright?

[Anonymous No.20858348]

>>20858327
If your only parameter for mental health is the amount of time one spends thinking about suicide, then yes, though I think that's incredibly reductive.
The religious have in god a crutch. The non-religious have no such luxury.
Ignorance is bliss, after all.

[Anonymous No.20858354]

>>20858341
What's the source of that?

[Anonymous No.20858356]

>>20858348
You know it's true on all metrics
https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)62799-7/fulltext#

[Anonymous No.20858368]

>>20858356
>whines about materialist lefty atheists
>defends his beliefs with 'it's because a recent study said so'

[Anonymous No.20858370]

>>20858354
This is the source https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/01/20/ssc-survey-results-2020/

Pic related shows you that it gets replicated anytime

This post >>20858356 shows you religious people are less mentally ill than atheists on all metrics

It's over for atheism, it's always been.

[Anonymous No.20858372]

>>20858368
>denies reality
The last refugee of the lefty atheist

[Anonymous No.20858375]

>>20858356
Proving my point exactly, thank you. When you have a surefire way to dismiss any of these terrifying existential doubts with impunity, you are less stressed out, you are happier, you are more carefree, you are reassured that your efforts will be rewarded in the afterlife, you are convinced of what will happen after you die and you're not worried. You are, one might argue, mentally healthier for it.

[Anonymous No.20858385]

>>20858375
Cool, so we both agree atheism is correlated with mental illness.

[Anonymous No.20858394]

>>20858385
Yes, I agree that the non-religious have a harder time coping with reality, since they have no divine truth to rely on for an easy cop-out.
Ignorance. is. bliss.

[Anonymous No.20858395]

>>20858370
Which religious people, specifically?

[Anonymous No.20858396]

>>20858394
sorry, the religious, not non-religious. i misspoke.

[Anonymous No.20858399]

>>20858394
>Yes, I agree
Cool, thanks

[Anonymous No.20858407]

>>20858252
if bait then 3/10. if not, then you really gotta work on your existentialism bro. dyer?

[Anonymous No.20858411]

>>20858407
Enlighten me

[Anonymous No.20858446]

A Phliosophical Dissertation Upon Death by Radicati

[Anonymous No.20858451]

>>20858446
>differtation

[Anonymous No.20858484]

>>20858307
>NOOOOO YOU NEED TO BE LE DEPRESSED AND GO TO THERAPY YOU CHUDS!!!!!

[Anonymous No.20858559]

>>20858370
Why would anyone that votes for politicians that defund mental health initiatives actively seek diagnosis or treatment for mental health conditions?
Why would anyone that thinks they're inherently diminished by having mental illness seek confirmation that they are "less than?"
If you yourself had something a mental illness, would you even seek treatment when you're putting so much stock into the idea that it's a purely "liberal" or "atheist" problem? Would you even identify it as such?

[Anonymous No.20858616]

>>20858484
This is what I mean. No real thought. Your reacton is no more impressive than the reaction a pupa has to being rattled. Try replying with something that isn't a simple sensory-motor reaction. Take your time if you need to.

[sage No.20858618]

>>20858341
Leftists kill themselves more because they don't swallow propaganda that life under capitalism does not sucks and that capitalism is natural state (its not)

[Anonymous No.20858687]

>>20858618
>killing yourself is ACTUALLY a good thing
The absolute state of lefties

[Anonymous No.20858698]

>>20858687
Call it sacrifice then

[Anonymous No.20858700]

>>20858559
>I-I'm sure there's an explanation l-let me do some mental acrobatics!
This entire page debunks you >>20858356

[Anonymous No.20858709]

>>20858698
Atheism is a suicide death cult. I call it that.

[Anonymous No.20858710]

>>20858341
The far left. Not all the left. You just decided to ignore all the bars to the right of it.
Also not super surprising since the left is more open to talking about mental health whereas it's more taboo on the right. If it wasn't I bet youd see parity on both the far left and far right as both extremes in my experience tend to be the most unhinged.

[Anonymous No.20858716]

>>20858709
No, that would be Christianity, quite literally

[Anonymous No.20858719]

>>20858710
Debunked >>20858700

[Anonymous No.20858730]

>>20858370
>shows you religious people are less mentally ill than atheists on all metrics
>It's over for atheism, it's always been.
Man you religious retards will really grasp at the smallest of straws: " religion makes me feel happy feels therefore it true"
You're using hedonism to argue that your religion is true, which is hilarioualy ironic given that its you tards that are always whining about it.

[Anonymous No.20858735]

>>20858730
I'm not joining your suicide cult bro stop being creepy

[Anonymous No.20858749]

>>20858197
Camus
Cioran
Schoppy
Budaism

Imo

[Anonymous No.20858773]

>>20858719
Skimmed through it nothing debunked what I said. You are conflating religiosity with political orientation. There are more atheists on the left, but there are also plenty of religious people.
I'm not denying that being highly religious makes people feel good. My only point was that the table showing the very far left had more diagnosed mental disorders likely just reflects the fact that people on the left are more open and willing to seek out a diagnosis.

[Anonymous No.20858782]

>>20858267
base-ACK

[Anonymous No.20858790]

>>20858773
Far left is literally anti religion my dude, you're delirious

[Anonymous No.20858829]

>>20858790
Most people on the far-left tend to be more atheistic. The far-left is not all of the left though. Outside the internet the far-left has basically zero political relevance.
I know plenty of people broadly on the left, moderate liberals that are also very religious.
As for the high diagnosis notice as well that it is only the far left that's significantly higher. Which really doesn't surprise me. Extremists tend to be pretty deranged. My only point was that it being somewhat higher on all the left has more to do with how taboo it is. It is more taboo on the right than the left to get a mental diagnosis.

[Anonymous No.20858840]

>>20858829
Sure, but last post you were defending far left
>My only point was that the table showing the very far left had more diagnosed mental disorders likely just reflects the fact that people on the left are more open and willing to seek out a diagnosis.
Yeah moderates are whatever.

[Anonymous No.20858871]

>>20858840
I'm not defending them. I'm explaining why it is higher in comparison to the far right.
You seriously think far right people are more mentally sound? Take a look around this place, or at the qanon people. I'm not in any way defending the far left. I've known far leftists irl and they're insufferable. I'm just explaining why the percentage diagnosed would be higher. Which is because it's less taboo.

[Anonymous No.20858913]

>>20858871
>I'm not defending them. I'm explaining why it is higher in comparison to the far right.
Yes, and your explanation is wrong because you're ignoring that far left is anti religion and claim that there's an independence between politics and religion.
>You seriously think far right people are more mentally sound?
Yes. What's far right? Being a white Christian who is against mass immigration is enough to be far right.
>qanon people.
Red herring. Far right are not qanon people, you're dishonest. I'm not dishonest when I say far left are communists, because it's literally what they are.

[Anonymous No.20858995]

>>20858730
Funny you mention straws when you're making giant strawman out of the whole argument.

>equating not being mentally ill with being and being a purely hedonistic creature

Cope, seethe and dilate more you blue haired mentally ill weirdo.

[Anonymous No.20859087]

>>20858356
>We reviewed published studies, meta-analyses, systematic reviews, and subject reviews
>Relevant articles were identified by conducting a MEDLINE search (1970–2000)
lol
>>20858370
>Thanks to the 8,043 people who took the 2020 Slate Star Codex survey.
>8,043 people
lol

[Anonymous No.20859097]

>>20859087
>t. scientifically illiterate

[Anonymous No.20859113]

>>20859097
Seethe more scientivist, hope your dated meta-analysis is up to snuff for your professor in your CC statistics class

[Anonymous No.20859118]

You have to look at it in terms of degree, not just religious/not-religious.

If you take your most Dawkins-Nye-DeGrasse Tyson materialist, even they are somewhat religious. On a certain level they accept the horror that a material reality implies, and also they don't. They replace old theological terms with "beauty, wonder, nature, stardust, the joy of knowing things," and conveniently edit-out disease, suffering, war, basically any bad thing that hasn't happened to them directly/they do not deal with on a day-to-day basis.

They even have their own heaven in the "nothingness," while conveniently forgetting that even a strict material belief system doesn't omit certain forms of hell. Quantum Immortality could be hell, so could an AI that gains control of the universe and replaces all matter with sentient suffering, or just some unknown unknown. Even death wouldn't save you, as a sufficiently advanced AI could employ quantum archaeology to turn the arrow of entropy backwards, recover you (the actual one, not a copy, as your death will only lead to entropic forces of decay that can by the laws of physics be reversed with sufficient power) and torture the shit out of it.

So I would call ignoring the worst implications of science a sort of religion by omission. So really the most honest atheists and materialists belong to antinatalism or efilism because at least they're not delusional about the true nature of reality.

[Anonymous No.20859228]

>>20858616
You sound like a woman on the verge of breaking down into histrionics. Stop being a damn pussy, pussy.

[Anonymous No.20859248]

>>20858716
Ah yes, the death cult that preaches living a good virtuous life and loving your neighbor rather than wallowing in resentment towards factors completely outside of your control.

[Anonymous No.20859277]

>>20859248
I think he got it conflated with American Protestantism, easy mistake

[Anonymous No.20859279]

>>20859248
>wallowing in resentment towards factors completely outside of your control.

Again, you're quite literally describing Christianity

[Anonymous No.20859282]

>>20858829
atheism is a religion too. it has priests, dogmas, persecution, symbols.
It is one of the worst religion ever because it doesnt even have a theology lol.

[Anonymous No.20859284]

>>20858252
why do people hate this book so much?

[Anonymous No.20859292]

>>20858913
>you're ignoring that far left is anti religion
I've known religious leftists. I used to have a roommate that was devout Catholic and a Marxist. Probably not the norm, but they do exist.
>and claim that there's an independence between politics and religion.
There are religious and non-religious people on the left, though there are more non-religious in comparison to conservatives.
>Far right are not qanon people
Not saying everyone on the far right is a q anon person. But I think most people would see it as a right wing political movement: i.e q anon people tend to take conservative positions. I'm not trying to lump you or anyone in with them. My point was that there are plenty of crazy people on the far right too, & the disparity between the far right and far left in mental health diagnosis could be a result of it being more taboo to seek a diagnosis on the right. The graph was just the percentage of people who received a mental diagnosis. For all we know there could be plenty of people with mental problems that are undiagnosed on the right. Which would explain the disparity.

[Anonymous No.20859299]

>>20859282
>it has priests, dogmas, persecution, symbols.

Can you name some of them, and why they would qualify as such?

[Anonymous No.20859301]

>>20858616
>>20858307
>its just like...so deep bro you just dont get it

[Anonymous No.20859398]

>>20859299
Different anon, also atheist, but you know, we have lots of dogmas.

The myth of progress.
The myth of human equality.
The nature = good dogma.
Nothingness after death.
Basically any atheist that thinks life is an inherently good thing is somewhat practicing religious dogma.

https://youtu.be/jZIPRid1i4I
https://youtu.be/81zQr-zr98k

[Anonymous No.20859405]

Does ego death count?

[Anonymous No.20859468]

>>20859279
>Christianity is about blaming Satan
You didn't read the Bible.

[Anonymous No.20860662]

>>20858252
fpbp