/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20850048]

did about an hour of wiki reading on Mahommed last night... woke up middle of night seething. do 1.8 billion really?

[Anonymous No.20850059]

>>20850048
>do 1.8 billion really?
Make low-effort threads in /lit/? No, they have actual lives.

[Anonymous No.20850072]

meme religion, at least christianity has some content based on something older, the quran is just shitty fanfiction

[Anonymous No.20850085]

>>20850059
Some seem to make lower effort replies. I was intending to read the Quran but a quick look at the historical facts of his life immediately discount his truths. He yoinked what he liked from what Waraqah ibn Nawfal told him and let his imagination do the rest. What prophet carries a sword? What prophet is not prophesies by previous prophets? What moral teacher is a warmonger? What moral teacher consumates marriage with a 10 year old? What moral teacher has 13 wives? Suppose the whole world is Muslim; How on earth does each man having 4 wives work? Im interested in having an actual conversation because id like to understand and im not going to flip through the Quran any time soon.

[Anonymous No.20850095]

>>20850048
I laughed so hard at this

[Anonymous No.20850159]

id like to make clear also that I think there are many Good muslim men and Id like to ask questions with them in earnest and I will try to be respectful as possible.

[Anonymous No.20850193]

>>20850085
>How on earth does each man having 4 wives work?
The same way it's already working now:
A few men with many, and many with nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.20850201]

>>20850048
The stories of Jesus and Muhammad both disgust me in different ways. Now Buddha and Lao Tzu are great.
I'm indifferent towards Zoroaster.
The only good Christcuck, Mudslime, and Jew is a dead one. Icchantikas filth. Your God is a false one only brings about death and destruction to this world.

[Anonymous No.20850202]

>>20850193
That does not seem ideal for either women or men and would quite plausibly lead to massive issues.

[Anonymous No.20850205]

>>20850085
>What prophet carries a sword?
A prophet coming back in fury, "with a sword in his mouth". kek

[Anonymous No.20850211]

>>20850201
I remember reading a story of the Buddha? or one of the big guys in Buddhism absolutely losing the plot in his acesis and doing things like lying in open graves with skeletons while cow herds pissed on him and he laughed and smiled up at them. It sounded like he 100 percent lost the plot. I dont know remember what it was called but it was apparently a faithful translation of a primary source.

[Anonymous No.20850212]

>>20850048
>mfw at 2 am when I remember 2 billion people really do exist and believe in the same god as me minus 1/3rd of him becoming a jewish rapebaby

[Anonymous No.20850213]

>>20850193
>>20850202
>That does not seem ideal for either women or men and would quite plausibly lead to massive issues.
Have you checked the data about how many young men are single in the Occident?
We're already in this state (kinda). Nobody seems to care.

[Anonymous No.20850218]

>>20850205
Are you referring to Revelation 19:15? And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
If so its quite clearly not a physical sword.

[Anonymous No.20850234]

>>20850213
I mean theres people who are committing terror attacks with the virgins of paradise in mind because they dont have carnal comfort in life?

>>20850212
Their belief and piety in a supreme God isn't the problem its that they take the words of a man so seems from historical fact to have been brutal, selfish and worldly.

[Anonymous No.20850304]

>>20850085
>What prophet carries a sword?
Oh boy are you in for a rough ride when you crack open the Old Testament.

>What prophet is not prophesies by previous prophets?
Oh boy are you in for a rough ride when you crack open the Old Testament.

>What moral teacher is a warmonger?
Oh boy are you in for a rough ride when you crack open the Old Testament.

>What moral teacher consumates marriage with a 10 year old?
Oh boy are you in for a rough ride when you crack open the Old Testament.

>What moral teacher has 13 wives?
Oh boy are you in for a rough ride when you crack open the Old Testament.

>How on earth does each man having 4 wives work?
In practice, that's not how it works. "4 wives per man, unlimited for clerics, war leaders, and the Prophet" is an incentive to go out and conquer, and a setup to generate desperate losers who go out and spread Islam in order to get women. In thoroughly Islamic societies that are too far away from Infidels to do this however, each man gets 1 wife, with clerics and government officials getting more as desired and allowed by rank. This isn't totally unreasonable as most pre-modern societies had a higher amount of women than men, so this actually helps soak up women who would otherwise turn into the pre-modern desert equivalent of a cat lady.

>>20850211
That sounds a lot like what the Aghouris do. They aren't Buddhists.

>>20850201
Zoroaster isn't uninteresting, he's just... kind of boring. He becomes a priest of the old religion, lives, experiences revelation, preaches, gets bullied for it, eventually finds a patron, and his religion takes off from there. There's not a lot of personal struggle because he gets it right pretty fucking quickly. He, like Plato, is more of an intellectual.

[Anonymous No.20850305]

>>20850234
>I mean theres people who are committing terror attacks with the virgins of paradise in mind because they dont have carnal comfort in life?
I mean, almost every religion or system on Earth is able of doing violence be it in accordance with their books or not.
Don't you think?

The paradise issue is only part of the question, I guess. Like in the Rushdie's case (and I'm hoping for his recovery); but the perpetuator might have a very tangible and mundane reason to do it, don't you think?
(The last time I checked he had a bounty of a few million dollars over his head)

[Anonymous No.20850395]

>>20850304
Tbh Ive cracked it but haven't studied it properly like the NT. I dont feel I am wise enough yet to understand a lot of the subtleties in the OT. I know there is a lot of stuff that's different to the morals of today, but the thing with Mohammed is that he was doing it 1000 years later when the Middle East was in places very civilised and highly advanced intellectually. Im pre sure it was a Buddhist text but maybe im wrong. Perhaps the marriage system works practically in the ME, but it is not spiritually ideal.

>>20850305
I agree on 1. Idk about the Rushdie case and I dont want to "rush" through it and come in half cocked. he does look a little sus to me idk. The laws about speaking out against Islam are cringe too, the Truth spreads it self, welcomes criticism and does not need to be violently enforced.

[Anonymous No.20850411]

>>20850304
I prefer to look at the content of the metaphysics or philosophy before the the conduct of the founder. Didn't Schopenhauer once say religion is metaphysics of the dull masses?

[Abit too late 4 tents huh No.20850418]

>>20850048
>2b
So its less than china....

[Anonymous No.20850427]

>>20850193
This is assumption, in reality most second and third wives are either divorced or widowed and most men marry young in Muslim countries

>>20850395
Every religion in history prior to modernism punished blasphemy

[Anonymous No.20850432]

>>20850411
I can't trust schope after reading this "Since there is more pain than pleasure on earth, every satisfaction is only transitory, creating new desires and new distresses, and the agony of the devoured animal is always far greater than the pleasure of the devourer”. It discounts the cumulative pleasure of the beings life. Like wallabies in Australia, they live a blessed life where there only violent deaths occur by getting hit by cars. There is plenty of water and sweet grass they just bounce around chilling for 15 years then of old age. There are countless species that exist like this.

[Anonymous No.20850446]

>>20850085
>>20850048
Giga based beyond belief. Also prose check officially passed

[Anonymous No.20850457]

>>20850432
It seems they were better off before industrialization.
I don't like to pass judgment on what's best for non-human organisms, outside of minimizing human interference, but I do share Schopenhauer's general misanthropy. I generally don't like humanity as a whole, especially after the continuous failure of industrialization and globalization.
Nick Land once said something to the effect that worship of technology and nature both culminate in the post-human desire to "go beyond mere humanity". Being a human being is a pain in the ass. I would have much preferred being a happy bird or whale before mankind began fucking everything up. I also feel like birds are naturally monogamous whereas humans beings have to make an effort to be so.

[Anonymous No.20850462]

>>20850457
>feel like birds
feel like many bird species*

[Anonymous No.20850476]

>>20850304
Which of the twelve prophets were warlords and polygamous? Which of the warlords were possessed of seething and pilfering demons of all of the most subtly perverse and undignified manner? Which of the verses from Christ which leave a gap in which resides the very soul of Truth is filled by the vain platitudes of your sandy pedophile whose name is written in blood and whose peace is a curse upon its hearers and adherents? They pray to a box. They worship a demon. Their Allah is Satan. Their message is to ignore the incarnation so that they can become Jews and they wage war and murder the Jews because they remind Muslims of exactly what they are. Islam mars even the word of religion and Muhammed is a crime against the thought of revelation. The Qu'ran is a rag not even fit to be burned to heat a cup of water for the sick.

[Anonymous No.20850485]

>>20850457
experience leads to misanthropy but then when you stop temporarily stop believing in it, and acting with benevolence you become the proof that humans have capacity to transcend the darkness in them thus invalidating ur previous understanding of misanthropy and allowing you to identify the goodness in others more readily. Being a human with modern responsibilities is a pain in the ass. I feel globalisation is le bad, but I kind of think of these topics alone and as such can't provide convincing options regarding them , im not well read in modern philosophy/economics.

[Anonymous No.20850510]

>>20850476
Silence, troon. Islam is too pure for your filth

[Anonymous No.20850517]

>>20850510
Good rebuttal, and thanks for degrading the dialogue.

[Anonymous No.20850518]

>>20850085
Moses and Joshua were prophets and commanded armies and killed their enemies in the name of the Lord. I have never found the criticisms of Muhammad as ‘violent’ compelling for this reason. Of course, the teachings of Christ are of an infinitely higher standard than those of Muhammad, who never rose beyond a rehash of petty pharisaism. The real critique of Muhammad comes from the nature of his revelation and its incompatibility with the true revelations of the Old Testament and New Testament. Basic historical facts are twisted and denied in the Qur’an, and the plagiarism of the Qur’an from Syro-Aramaic texts is as clear as day. The incorporation of fictional stories such as that of Dhul Qarnayn, so named for the horns of pagan god Zeus Ammon adorning his head from the Alexander Romance makes the claims of the Qur’an laughable.

Likewise the earliest generations of Christians—Paul, the Twelve, Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus, Polycarp, etc. all declared Jesus Christ to be divine, just like the OT teaches. Multiple groups of pre-Christian Jews also believed in a divine Word of God, such as Philo of Alexandria and many groups referred to as ‘minim’ by Talmudic Jews. Targum literature is also full of mentions of the Memra of God, i.e. his Word.

Muhammad, fundamentally, was man who was attacked by a fallen angel in a cave and was told to deny every central Christian doctrine (very telling). He was enslaved by his passions and worldly interests, an instrument of Satan. Today we see the fruits: backwardness, pedophilia, polygamy, terrorism, autistic legalism, kissing a black stone and widespread superstition about jinn and practice of magic. The Islamic world is afflicted by demons and is unable to drive them away. Just look at how often they resort to apotropaic magic, amulets and other things. Pray that they renounce the false god of Muhammad for the triune God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Remember Muslims, Muhammad is told to ask Christians if he is confused about anything (Q 10:94)— listen up!

[Anonymous No.20850524]

>>20850510
Look. The final argument of dogs is their bite and the final proof of Muhammed is their followers own rabies infested souls.

[Anonymous No.20850529]

>>20850518
great post

[Anonymous No.20850532]

>>20850510
>Islam is too pure for your filth

[Anonymous No.20850536]

>>20850524
Says the little yapping dog

[Anonymous No.20850543]

>>20850532
>dozens of versions of a hadith
>chooses weakest one instead of the corroborating 90% stronger ones

[Anonymous No.20850545]

>>20850518
thanks. I just went outside and was considering the violence of Moses etc. And what came to me was that as far as I remember the warring was often spontaneous, under specific command. Whereas Muhammed it seemed was strategising and scheming and executing prisoners and all that, like common warfare, against anyone in surrounding regions that was alien/resistant. I will be praying for them and I hope you will too brother. My hope is that moral men of all creed who spent their life striving in earnest for the betterment of their neighbour will come to know and accept Christ after death.

[Anonymous No.20850546]

All of Abrahamism was probably created by parasitical aliens that came from Saturn. I have a hard time believing human beings came up with such a despicable anti-life tradition. I include all of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism as equally a part of this Saturnalian and destructive framework.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the history of the Abrahamic countries were fabricated, and the whole goal of Abrahamism was to create an AI God to worship like Shodan, which some upper-class Semitic alien hybrids know about. The black cube is basically like a server in Azure or AWS datacenters.
The Kabbalah has some pretty sick shit in it.

[Anonymous No.20850550]

hot /x/ take, your theory or from lit?

[Anonymous No.20850554]

>>20850543
>it’s da’if if it makes my prophet look bad!1
Cope more, Abdool. You are embarrassed by your filthy pedo prophet deep in your heart of hearts. It’s sahih.
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:66

[Anonymous No.20850564]

>>20850202
obviously, riots, suicides, homicides, revolutions, genocides. the list is endless. but women don't care because they don't think of anyone but themselves and in the ancient times a strong state forced to them do so, because of communitarian reasons.

[Anonymous No.20850565]

>>20850554
It’s graded Sahih by Albani you mean, a grader who used a drastically different and much looser approach than great prior graders and is only popular with some Salafis (his methodology has been heavily criticized by others)

[Anonymous No.20850570]

>>20850201
I'd disagree and say Jesus was the better of Christianity's two gods. the old testament God, the father of the jews was a vile, incogruent mess who projected his misery on to his people which is why they act just like him

[Anonymous No.20850572]

op here. I think this thread is devolving into vileness please keep it civil. I do have one main last thing that I would like explained to me. How does Islam acccept Jesus as an important prophet but disagree with most of the stuff he says? Forget minor contradictions in the Quran about this and that, this seems to be the main contradiction. Did Muhammed have to include Jesus to lend himself legitimacy due to the beliefs of people of the time? How can he have read Jesus stuff, come in and try to retcon him? Had he read the bible or only heard portions of it?

[Anonymous No.20850573]

>>20850545
Yes, you are right to point out that the violence of Moses, Joshua, etc. was done under very specific conditions by God’s specific command. And we must consider as well why God allowed this to happen. If we read Genesis 15:16 we will see that in the time of Abraham, the sin of the people of Canaan had not yet reached its fullest level. We know that Abraham lived over four centuries before the Exodus, when the judgment of the Canaanites can be said to have begun. God used the Israelites as an instrument of his wrath upon them, showing great mercy in giving them *centuries* to potentially repent. Leviticus 18 is also enlightening, as it tells us of the abominations that Canaan did before the Lord, such as homosexuality, bestiality, incest, adultery, fornication and the sacrifices of infants to Moloch. This was righteous and just judgment, and those who repented, such as Rahab and her family were spared. It is much different from Muhammad’s petty turf war between Medina and Mecca, and over the stewardship of a black cube dedicated to Hubal.

[Anonymous No.20850593]

>>20850573
I see., When will I know I am ready to go through a concordant OT as carefully as I have done the NT? I received picrel yesterday and was going to read it asap, and was thinking that perhaps without it I am not ready to reconcile OT and NT depictions of the father.

[Anonymous No.20850609]

>>20850572
Islam's goal is give you the idea of Christ without the salvific belief that Christ was God. Islam says that it is merely a messenger and this is profound in its theological implications as it means human beings have no grace and are permanently fallen. There is not need to treat the satanic religion with decorum and its believers are best served by upbraiding their faith in harmful and simultaneously worldly and fanciful lies.

[Anonymous No.20850610]

>>20850572
There are multiple Hadiths narrating what Jesus said as well as John the Baptist. The fact is though Arabs of the time got their Christianity from Jews who left Jerusalem after the Roman’s destroyed the temple, not from Greeks. They therefore had quite a different scripture

See
> Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3

The Quran does even use the term Masihiyoon (Christians) but Nasara (Nazarenes, what Judaistic Christians were called)

[Anonymous No.20850612]

>>20850572
>Did Muhammed have to include Jesus to lend himself legitimacy due to the beliefs of people of the time?
Yes. False religions often attempt to use the name of Christ to win followers and legitimacy. This even continues into our own era, as Hindus and Buddhists try to explain why Christ was actually teaching what these groups believe. They never take Christ on his own terms, by what his Apostles taught. Muhammad was simply part of a long line of self-seeking heretics. Already by that time in Arabia, Jewish and Christian ideas were everywhere. A sort of pagan syncretism seems to have been dominant. We can even see that the audience of the Qur’an is readily familiar with a supreme God, biblical figures such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus, Mary, etc., so the idea of Arabia as an untouched pagan backwater is an Islamic myth. Patricia Crone had a good paper on this. Jesus would be an important figure for Muhammad to adopt if he wanted any support from gentile Christians. It’s important to point out that Muhammad never read the Bible. What he got is from oral tradition circulating in Arabia, a mishmash of Jewish midrash, aggadic stories, Syriac Christian ideas, and the like. He was also taught briefly by the heretic monk Bahira (likely Nestorian) when he visited Syria.

[Anonymous No.20850618]

The petty in-fighting of Abrahamists is so pathetic to watch. When Buddhists and Hindus debate, they get into nitty-gritty metaphysics. When Abrahamists debate, they just go endlessly about Jesus this or Muhammad that. You have like so different flavors of shit for Abrahamism such as the Mandaeans who actually considered Jesus and Abraham as false prophets, entirely, but they revered John the Baptist. It's just all nonsense divorced from metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.20850631]

>>20850618
The perfection of the triune is apparent and its mysteries satisfy the urge for metaphysical meanderings in figure of eights in whatever buzzwords are coined each century.

[Anonymous No.20850648]

IT would be nice if some actual Muslims responded to this >>20850572
Its getting awfully one-sided in here.

[Anonymous No.20850649]

>>20850631
>The perfection of the triune is apparent
Absolutely not. Tripartite structures exist in other traditions or religions, and they are argued in a way that is far more believable than nonsense like the Resurrection, Incarnation, or so on, all of which Paul made up.

[Anonymous No.20850657]

>>20850593
St. Theophan the Recluse is one of the best modern saints there is, in my opinion. That book is a great choice, as are all of his writings.

>I am not ready to reconcile OT and NT depictions of the father.
We have to remember that God is triune even in the OT. There are many apperances of the Angel of the Lord in the OT that directly refer to this mysterious figure as ‘God’. This was identified by pre-Christian Jews such as Philo with the Logos / the Word. Whenever God appears to people in the OT, it should be understood as the preincarnate Son. This tradition goes back *at least* to St. Justin Martyr in Christianity. This said, God in the OT is the same God. The emphasis differs. God as Judge is the main theme of the OT, as well as his faithfulness to his Covenant. Christ is a deeper self-revelation of God to the world. We go from glory to glory. First the Israelites were taught about the unity of God against pagan teachings, and then we learned of the Father’s Only-begotten Son, and the boundless love of God. God’s steadfast love is revealed all throughout the OT, he is like a husband to his wife, forever trying to draw her back even when the relationship is shattered. This theme is particularly noticeable in Hosea all through the prophets. Even the Psalms are full of praises for God and his steadfast love (Psalm 136, etc.) The ‘mean’ God of the OT is largely a meme. The OT is about man’s struggle to follow God, the NT is about God’s love and how he brings us back to himself in the ultimate sense, and invites us to a closer communion than ever before, just as he promised to dwell among his people in the OT. The core of Jesus’ teaches come from Leviticus and Deuteronomy—love your neighbor as yourself (Lev. 19:18) and love God with all your heart (Deut. 6:5).

[Anonymous No.20850667]

>>20850649
>nonsense like the Resurrection, Incarnation, or so on, all of which Paul made up.
Paul didn’t write the Gospels, goober

[Anonymous No.20850673]

>>20850667
A bunch of schizos wrote it or either Paul or some similar Semite made it all up.
Who cares? You just found a bunch of texts to latch onto and believe everything about. I can find texts with just as much ludicrous claims. Why not believe these instead?
It all just boils down to ungrounded faith that serves as a substitute for one's own authentic lived experience.

[Anonymous No.20850688]

>>20850610
>>20850648
I did

[Anonymous No.20850694]

Ok :) I will make my start on both today. I like the analogy of the wife and hadnt thought about it before the earthly ministry of christ. , as it mirrors the bride of Christ(church) analogy that Paul made so beautifully. Thank you and have a nice day anon!

[Anonymous No.20850695]

>>20850673
The Apostles of Christ wrote the Gospels, and they have been faithfully transmitted by the Church since the beginning. Paul’s epistles are completely different from the Gospels. The epistles of the other Apostles such as Peter, John, Jude, James, etc. support the same teachings. Multiple independent sources attest to the divinity of Christ, his incarnation, resurrection and glorification and sitting at the right hand of the Father. And it all fulfills what was prophecized centuries earlier in the Scriptures. I will pray for you, my faith has been confirmed through my lived experience and prayers. Your false dichotomy is, well, false.

[Anonymous No.20850703]

>>20850694
Seems like you are making the right connections, anon! Have a good one.

[Anonymous No.20850706]

>>20850688
Yes, but what I was wondering is how you can accept some of it but completely reject the core stuff. “Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse thing to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be on the alert... And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified” - (Acts 20:28-32).

[Anonymous No.20850710]

>>20850695
It is very tenuous to have an entire tradition hinge on revelation, which is an issue that afflicts all of Abrahamism.
>The Apostles of Christ wrote the Gospels, and they have been faithfully transmitted by the Church since the beginning.
That's a controversial claim.
>Multiple independent sources attest to the divinity of Christ, his incarnation, resurrection and glorification and sitting at the right hand of the Father. And it all fulfills what was prophecized centuries earlier in the Scriptures.
Many of those sources like Tacitus are taken out of context, or they involve interpolations or so on.
Also, the whole thing can be a psyops like some later scholars are starting to argue. The Kabbalah also subtly indicates it is a psyops.
> I will pray for you, my faith has been confirmed through my lived experience and prayers.
Hallucinations can be powerful as a note.
There is nothing truly universalist in Christianity because it doesn't point to one's own capacity to learn of the truth, but rather, it points solely to revelatory scripture.

[Anonymous No.20850805]

>>20850457
>>20850432
naive af. if you see an examption from suffering in samsara, it is only a lack of knowing.

[Anonymous No.20850834]

>>20850706
I mean this was written by Luke who was Paul‘a best friend and we consider Paul the Hellenizer of Christ’s teachings by blending them with Orphism

[Anonymous No.20851943]

>>20850476
>the verses from Christ
Jesus was an in illiterate jew, he could neither read nor write.

[Anonymous No.20851952]

>>20850072
>has some content based on something older

are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.20851968]

>>20850710
>The Kabbalah also subtly indicates it is a psyops.
What?? What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.20851973]

>>20851968
Its in 52:13

"Beware the glowing goyim, oy vey!"

[Anonymous No.20852215]

>>20850834
>Christ’s teachings by blending them with Orphism
Orphism believed that the material world was evil and that you were a soul trapped in a cycle of reincarnation, that is not what Paul taught. Paul taught that we lived once, we will be resurrected in a glorious *material* body, and that the world is fallen, but not evil, since everything created by God is good.

Anti-Christians online are braindead

[Anonymous No.20852261]

>>20850710
>That's a controversial claim.
Not an argument. Unbroken tradition of the Church exists, and the works have never been attributed to anyone else convincingly. I trust the Church Fathers and successors of the Apostles, whom we know by name. I don’t trust secular academics.

>Many of those sources like Tacitus are taken out of context
I’m not talking about Tacitus, even though he would prove my case too, I’m talking about DIFFERENT BOOKS AND LETTERS IN THE BIBLE —these are all independent sources. The Bible didn’t fall out of the sky in one piece.

>The Kabbalah also subtly indicates it is a psyops.
I hope you know that ‘Kabbalah’ was an innovation from the post-Second Temple period, even later than Bar Kokhba revolt a century after Christ, and even later than Rabbi Judah the Prince’s initial redaction of the Mishnah around ~200 AD. Classical Kabbalah is even later than the Talmud, which was finished around 600 AD—over five centuries post-Christ. The Church had existed for CENTURIES by this point, and they were no friend of rabbinical Judaism. Kabbalah is medieval. I can’t believe conspiracy theorists are so gullible that they believe *rabbinical* claims that Jews received the kabbalah and oral law in one piece directly from Moses and that they’ve always been totally in control in the background. To that I must say to you, “good goy”.

>Hallucinations can be powerful as a note.
The earliest sources clearly indicate that the nature of Christ’s resurrection body was material and tangible. You would also have to explain why his body was missing from the tomb, and why it was not just those who might have been suffering from cognitive dissonance (according to skeptics) who saw Christ, but even enemies of Christ, and even large numbers of people at the same time. If Christ was just dead in the tomb, the Jews or Romans would have exposed him quickly.

>There is nothing truly universalist in Christianity because it doesn't point to one's own capacity to learn of the truth, but rather, it points solely to revelatory scripture.
Stop pretending all Christians are evangelical protestants. You are refuted by pic related. Try harder.

[Anonymous No.20852311]

>>20851952
He’s not retarded. Christianity emerges from the milieu of Second Temple Judaism, and is fundamentally based on the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and other books of the OT, seeing itself as the Messianic fulfillment of said prophecies and scriptures. This is a connection with a tradition stretching *at least* back to Moses. Holidays such as Pascha are Christian versions of Pesach, and Christian Pentecost a version of Shavuot. The connections go on. Christian liturgical worship in tradition forms of Christianity (Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, etc) has connections to forms of synagogue worship practiced in Judea and Galilee in the 1st century. Some broad similarities can even be seen in Orthodox Jewish services today. The Qur’an emerges from a mass of pagan syncretism, and has no previous scriptures, prophecies or traditions. The difference is huge