/wg/ - Writing General

[Anonymous No.20849327]

Cigarrrrrrrette Edition

Previous Thread: >>20841416

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Note to anyone posting a sample of your writing for critique:
>GIT GUD

Traditional Publishing
Pros:
>you get to focus mostly on writing
>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them
>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs
>self publishing is basically like running your own company
>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readers
Cons:
>you make 10-15% profit max
>self publishing you make 70%+
>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anyways

Finding Agents
>https://querytracker.net/join.php
>https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>risky, but much more profitable
>you must pay for everything yourself
>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^･o･^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story

For advertising
>>>/biz/

AI-generated book covers
>https://nightcafe.studio
>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
>https://app.wombo.art/
>https://penguin.jos.ht/
>https://beta.openai.com/playground

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

[Anonymous No.20849331]

No one writes here.

[Anonymous No.20849335]

writing is for nerds, have sex incels

[Anonymous No.20849345]

>>20849327
Bros, what cigs did Carson smoke?

[Anonymous No.20849363]

>>20849072
Thanks bo. I have mostly been writing about well adjusted people but I do have an outline where the cast is nothing but autists. Nothing but. Fully idiosyncratic, hopelessly insane and perpetually online autismos. I really cannot wait to write it because at least from what I have read people keep saying there is no real modern incel novel yet, it's all manga and non-fiction from people that don't actually get it.

[Anonymous No.20849383]

>>20849327
I got my first acceptance to a publication in over 12 months. Feels good man. If anyone is receiving a bunch of rejection, just remember that the market is always changing and there’ll be a spot for your pieces at some point. (It also helped that I researched the publication and read around for the kind of stuff they publish, so try to do that too).

[Anonymous No.20849393]

Wrote my first poem. Would appreciate any feedback.

Butterflies in purgatory

A caterpillar in its cradle
Shining like a chrome
Potential mounting the saddle
Awaiting the dragons to come

Grown up, finding himself inconsequential
Amid the bustle of a million drones
He is strangled by his potential
A protagonist exiled to his dreams.

Oh how the wise fooled this outcast
Blind leading the blind
Quick fixes to glue the shards
Of the dreams that ceased to last

I'm waiting to live
I'm waiting to die
In the gardens of purgatory
A wingless butterfly tried to fly

I ripped "I'm waiting to live, waiting to die" from Bukowski. Is it okay to use parts from other poets like that?

[Anonymous No.20849408]

>>20849393
If you crib from other poets, you can always put the line in italics to show it’s quoted or someone else speaking.
2nd line is trochaic and you generally are not making it flow any better in the other lines as your vers libre has no rhythm. I suggest reading Ezra Pound and TS Eliot to get a hold on meter, or actually study a prosody or a study on iambic pentameter if you’re writing in English. It will really help you understand at what points you can break the rules or stress something.

[Anonymous No.20849434]

>>20849327
Do you listen to anything whilst writing, or just silence?

[Anonymous No.20849507]

Approx 44k words left til I'm done with my first draft. Been writing 2k a day, but I want to increase to 5k a day so I can be done in 11 days rather than 22. Is 5k a day feasible or am I being stupid?

[Anonymous No.20849512]

>>20849434
I have a playlist for each project. My second project I was listening to this album on repeat when I wrote the first draft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1BnakexgSU
The track "Believe in Yourself" is the centerpiece to me. It feels really good.

[Anonymous No.20849518]

>>20849331
But that’s not true. F Gardner alone has written a ton of books.

[Anonymous No.20849599]

>>20849507
On the high end but yes possible. What’s the rush though? I think it’s best to maintain the same pace.

[Anonymous No.20849645]

>>20849434
90% of the time I have music playing. Different projects have different music. Sometimes I need silence, like if my whole day was noisy or something and I just need to give my ears a rest.

[Anonymous No.20849656]

>>20849512
>>20849645
SUCKAS

[Anonymous No.20849666]

>>20849345
Don't know, but here are some more pics of her. You should smoke a pipe or take nasal snuff.
https://biblioklept.org/2012/02/19/just-a-bunch-of-pics-of-carson-mccullers-smoking/

[Anonymous No.20849668]

>>20849656
kek

[Anonymous No.20849677]

I timed our script, and we're over by seventeen minutes. I'm considering cutting the scenes where Patrice and Mitch discuss communism and the one at the end where all the characters are spying on the cops from the dumpster. What do you think?

I could also end the one scene with "Wayne who?" and then save a few minutes, but we would miss out on a joke we set up earlier.

https://www.scribd.com/document/551280851/Unfiltered

[Anonymous No.20849705]

>>20849677
I cut the commie joke to save time (pic rel) and think we made the right decision

[Anonymous No.20849772]

>>20849705
I always thought "commie" was a lame insult, and that "pinko" or "red" or even a cheeky "comrade" hit harder.

[Anonymous No.20849791]

During summertime in the land of cotton, the sun is oppressive and unbearable by the early morning . Because of this quirk of climate, the people south of the Mason-Dixon know how it is to wake up on a mid-June day already seething with anger. Doubly so for the rare to these parts gainfully employed young man, as his memory of the day before is already forcing itself into his conscious mind. He wonders every morning after tearing himself reluctantly from his pillow, how in his youth he had ever denied himself sleep; and once more before he passes the threshold he wonders if he’ll ever know a good night’s rest again.
A two door sedan waits for him, the paper bag color shot through with streaks of oxidation, little and bright . Its maker is no longer solvent and the model year is of the previous century. But it offers him one convenience, and before he’s two miles down the road his air conditioning unit is howling and the hairs on his arm stand at attention on little bumps of skin. The radio is playing music this morning, and a suave voice promises twenty more minutes of all the hits without interruption —be it a commercial or the morning DJ—. The first lights on his way to work are all reds, allowing him a moment to bask in the waves of his new favourite song, the bass line throbbing through second hand subwoofers and that bronze-polished voice clear like raindrops against a window. The lights in the final stretch of his journey are all greens, but by this point he’s in a hurry; nine am approaches in a way that’s meant to trick you, eight flows into eight fifteen over a cup of coffee and a biscuit with time to enjoy the sight of the sun twirling above the city’s skyline. However, eight fifteen crashes into eight fifty and stays there, begging you to glance again at the clock while you make the mad rush down the old highway and through the barely cleared intersection and around a blissfully ignorant pedestrian and you pray that no animals stumble into your path else the day’ll make you a killer.
The man, his name Jayvon Caldwell, arrived at the parking lot of Points-Carter Shopping Center at eight fifty-three. Fifteen minutes prior, Mikey “Coolaid” Clawson tripped over nothing while walking along a nearby sidewalk. While picking bits of gravel from an unrelated gash in his hand, he crafted a plan to liberate the Family Dollar of between fifty to one hundred in cash and no more, else the cops would really try to find him. It was by this convergence of mundane circumstances that Asst. Manager Caldwell found something cold and hard pressed against the small of his back. A man poured hot, moist breath into his ear, it carried a message;
“Don’t turn around. Walk inside,” the distinct rasp of the man’s voice could only come from a throat that things have not come out of in a while.

[Anonymous No.20849800]

>>20849791
Jayvon didn’t need to turn around to get a glimpse of his assailant’s face, young Mikey C could be seen plainly on the reflective surface of the store window. He looked much like a pile of tattered fabric heaped up in a shape that was generally man-like, with an old sock stretched over the top of his head, just barely covering his eyebrows. The Neighborhood Family Dollar sits between two other staples of low income southern cities; a Metro PCS with bars on the windows, and an electronics rental store with graffiti’d plywood in some windows and bars on the rest. Both of these stores were familiar with Coolaid’s patronage, so after knocking over the Family dollar Coolaid would likely have to move on to another neighborhood to score.
Jayvon’s hands were coated with sweat and his keys repeatedly slipped from his grip. In an effort to encourage the Assistant Manager, Mikey pressed the roll of quarters against his back and in doing so surprised him. The ensuing full bodied jolt sent the keys into the air. Mikey responded by whipping him in the neck with “the butt of his gun”. Now wedged tightly between the dual grip of his hands, Jayvon turned the key and unlocked the door.
There was his first method of escape, a warbling claxon ricocheting against the concrete store walls. But without prompt, he entered the code and shut off the alarm. Mikey thanked him by pressing the roll of quarters against the bump in the neck where your spine meets your skull.
“Open the register,” instructed Mikey.
“Ain’t nothing in the registers,” whispered Asst. Manager Caldwell, “we ain’t even opened yet, why would anything be in the register?”
“Where’s the safe?” Mikey unconsciously relaxed his grip on the roll of quarters, his mind suddenly sprinting.
“It’s in the back there,” Caldwell gestured past a pair of off-white doors sporting dual round portholes, “but I don’t got the code.”
Mikey felt the man twitching like mad against his weapon. The man’s nervous energy contaminated Mikey through their shared point of contact. “Godamn!” he screamed.
“Fuck!”
“What?!” replied Caldwell, his vocal inflection raising at the end of the word.
“You’re fucking my shit up!”
“How?!” said Caldwell, in that same infantile tone.
“You fuckin with me? What’s the code?”
“I ain’t got the code. I’m just the assistant!”

[Anonymous No.20849807]

>>20849800
Mikey shoved the clerk aside and scanned the store. It seemed that in his haste, Mikey picked the one store in the city least likely to have anything valuable to steal. The aisle directly in front of him contained only discount body washes and lotions, brands carried only in this zip code with ingredients unspeakable by human tongues and bottles with cracks in the lids and tamper proof seals that had been tampered with. To his left stretched an endless rack of candies and toaster pastries, and each brand name item was flanked with an identical store brand item marked at a relative discount of precisely thirty three percent and all of the packages were stretched or flattened or smashed or shredded or otherwise malformed. But Mikey’s mind had been too long in thinking; it began to overheat and all of his muscles throbbed and ached to be used to do anything else at all and Mikey let them, throwing his legs against the snack stand in front of the aisle and spilling the snickers and kit kats and reese's cups and reese's pieces and reese's jumbos with pretzel bites until they covered the dusty walkway. Mikey began kicking frantically at all of the store’s shelves with hopes of tipping them over and causing some domino-like cascade but only serving to move the Lotion aisle an inch and sprain his ankle.
“What the fuck is that?” Assistant Manager Jayvon Caldwell chimed in, reminding Mikey of his presence. He seemed fixated on the roll of quarters in his hand. Why? Was he gonna try to take them?
“They’re mine,” said Mikey.
“What happened to your gun?” asked Jayvon.
“Oh,” said Mikey, as if ripped from a dream.
Jayvon made a move towards him and Mikey waddled to the electronics aisle, twisting about before settling on the batteries section. He stuffed his coat pockets with D cells and double As and triple As and Nine-Volts before spilling through the store exit.

[Anonymous No.20849814]

>>20849434
dark ambient playlists get me in the mood to write like nothing else

[Anonymous No.20849816]

I'm trying to get back into writing and it's very hard to come up with anything.
Should I copy someone else and see if that works out?

[Anonymous No.20849817]

>>20849599
I feel like I'm neglecting other responsibilities in my life (like trying to get a job) and I'm running out of savings. I want to finish the draft so I can focus on other things. Also I have other project ideas that keep bubbling up to the surface that I want to work on -- but won't feel free to work on them til this draft is finished. Also this pace is beginning to wear on me-- ironically it seems easier to double down and have a more difficult 11 days than a medium difficulty 22 days

[Anonymous No.20849830]

>>20849816
Take something you enjoyed, not because it was done well, but because the concept was interesting. Do what they did, but to your own standard.

[Anonymous No.20849842]

>>20847109

[Anonymous No.20849844]

>>20849814
link one

[Anonymous No.20849888]

>>20849791
Delete everything before “the man, jayvon...”

It’s extremely tedious.

[Anonymous No.20849900]

>>20849842
Fuck your “writing station” show me your shelves with pictures with legible spines.

[Anonymous No.20849906]

>>20849772
True. Other scene we may delete is this. Could probably just keep the last couple lines and cut the references to the apple later on

[Anonymous No.20849911]

>>20849844
NTA but I used to be a gachabrain. Glad I stopped but I still listen to these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQDMEycrYCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UaRcmNNp_4

[Anonymous No.20849969]

>>20849900
>1/2
I have some mostly empty shelves in the next pic but have books I just read or plan to read the rest of the year.
Not pictured: tons of journals and text books, and books I left at my office: Ulysses, Borges and Pound.

[Anonymous No.20849981]

>>20849900
>>20849969
2/2

[Anonymous No.20850054]

>>20849331
Nor does anyone read anyone else's stuff.

[Anonymous No.20850063]

IM ALWAYS GOING TO BE A FAILUREEE

[Anonymous No.20850076]

>>20850063
don't make me say it

[Anonymous No.20850084]

How do I write a story better than The Last White Man?

[Anonymous No.20850108]

>>20849981
For having classics I’ll give you +5
For new philosophy of the last 2 centuries, I’ll give you +3
For any woman authors I subtract 2 points for a final score of 6/10.
This is salvageable.

[Anonymous No.20850110]

>>20850084
"the Last Retard"
>by Me
What is tLWM even about I keep seeing anons post it

[Anonymous No.20850306]

>finished last 2 novels
>had been writing 6+ hours a day like a madman
>trying to start a new one
>suddenly so fucking busy that i need to take 2 months off
>actually going insane from withdrawal

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.20850437]

How are everyone's works in progress coming along? Anyone writing any short stories atm?

[Anonymous No.20850523]

>>20850437
2 weeks away from finishing current novel draft and plan on 4 more weeks after that.
I have a flash fiction (about a diver) at a 1000 word first draft and want to edit it next month. I did brainstorm a bit recently and wrote four more prompts for short stories I wanted to do.

[Anonymous No.20850537]

>>20850437
I'm writing two works at once; if I get writer's blocked on one I hop over to the other and shit out as many words as I can. One's more serious, the other light hearted. Set in the same universe, different places, different and (mostly) unrelated characters. Actually thought about finishing them both and releasing them in tandem as a 'main' and 'side' story.

[Anonymous No.20850552]

>>20850537
>Set in the same universe, different places, different and (mostly) unrelated characters
Based, I am doing something similar. Different time periods, different places, but a plot thread in one becomes a twist in the other.

[Anonymous No.20850669]

Which name is better for a female character? Faya or Felix?

[Anonymous No.20850685]

>>20850669
Feyix

[Anonymous No.20850689]

>>20849331
No one *reads, get your memes right

[Anonymous No.20850704]

>You always have this image of the perfect thing which you can never achieve, but what you never stop trying to achieve…I think at the core, there’s this image that you have, this interior image or something that is absolutely perfect and that’s your signpost and your guide. You’ll never get there, but without it you’ll never get anywhere.

>You always have that hope that today I’m going to do something better than I’ve ever done.

[Anonymous No.20850718]

>>20850704
Really makes the vestibular calculations in one's skull crank out their reckonings.

[Anonymous No.20850719]

>>20849408
Thank you for the advice, fren. This was really helpful. Can you also recommend good books that teach how to write good poetry? I like the style of Leonard Cohen and Charles Bukowski.
These are the books this general recommends.
>>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

[Anonymous No.20850746]

why should i appreciate poetry?

[Anonymous No.20850760]

>>20849327
miniMAG issue 06

submissions are open and rolling

poetry, reviews, prose, art, pretty much whatever won't get me deported are accepted

send it to [e-mail]

get the full issues at minimag.space

[Anonymous No.20850770]

>>20849393
I cribbed "casual moths to the flame" from Fitzgerald in one of my poems

I'm still torn about it

a lot of it is just my jealousy at not coming up with it myself

>>20850760
rest of story at minimag.space

(I'm still pretty pissed at how much more money a .com would have been vs the .space)

[Anonymous No.20850774]

>>20850770

[Anonymous No.20850776]

>>20850774

[Anonymous No.20850790]

>>20850776

[Anonymous No.20850795]

>>20850790

[Anonymous No.20850798]

>>20850795

[Anonymous No.20850804]

>>20849393
I'm gonna be honest, it could use some work. For the first thing, even it words like cradle and saddle look like they would rhyme, they don't. And if you're going to try to rhyme, make sure that your words actually rhyme. Additionally, make sure that your stresses line up. The idea is solid, but it needs some refinement. And listen to the other anon about iambs and troches and whatnot

[Anonymous No.20850816]

>>20850798
submissions: [e-mail]

full issues and archive: minimag.space

>>20849791
Keep exactly half of the things before "The man, his name...."

fun piece though, takes me back to living in atlanta for a summer

[Anonymous No.20850819]

>>20849327
anyone heard from /ffa/ lately?

[Post-leninist !Yk65a4/uHI No.20850826]

Rate this idea I have started writing a novel about. I intend to publish it under the title given and enlighten readers with it through mass printing.
It will be a philosophically-inclined depiction of something that awaits us. A Hegelian synthesis of (supra-between) 1984 and the Brave New World, it will portray a plausible worst outcome for Humanity as it graduates from the 21st century.

SETTING:
>The novel starts in 2066, which is 10 years after the Modern System was launched and culminates in 2071, 100 years after Modernity started.
>The Modern System is led by the globe-spanning Representative Congress, which consists of Representatives: the Government, made up of Elected Representatives, and the Overseer, which is the Unelected Representative.
>The Overseer is a comprehensive AI program (and most crucially, NOT a strong AI) which forms guidelines, according to the Code.
>The Code was written by the Initiated—verified experts and ancestors of the Government—who were men in power occupying places from finance through politics ending on the military, with influence on the academia and broader education, and united by only one factor.
>You can trust the Overseer because the Code was written by verified experts.
>The Modern System was launched in 2056 by the Initiated in a planned response (following the Code which dictated the Past System) to the tense situation created by the low global birth rate, which was a natural human response to the Past System, which started in 1944.

>In 2054, the Second Cold War ends and the CCP makes peace with the Capital.
>This follows a global economic crisis that precipitated with the die-off of the Baby Boomer generation, and an intense political crisis between the younger and older generations.
>The value of Initiation rose as the number of the Initiated shrunk. Eventually the Initiated became a very small group, comprising only a few hundred people (and thousands of semi-initiated aspirants) divided into two camps: the CCP and the Capital.
>The Second Cold War thus ended with a compromise: The CCP and the Capital joined powers, adapting, and rejecting, some features of the other
>Thus the Modern System begins.

[Post-leninist !Yk65a4/uHI No.20850831]

SYNOPSIS:
Our Hero is certain Baruch Spinoza existed, and has now been set on a path to expose the oldest conspiracy known to Man. He calls this path his Prophecy.

The Hero was born in 2038 and was 18 when the Modern System began. He fit in perfectly but mentally he'd always been an outsider. In the Past World, he loved reading books, and at the end of the Past System he got into philosophy, although most texts had already long been out of print so he was forced to put his love of physical books aside and use his e-reader more. It still made him eccentric, as barely anyone cared for literature let alone philosophy in Modernity and beyond. Fast forward eight years, it was now the year 2064, late Winter, and our Hero was 25 years old, data science was his occupation, and he was good at it. So good, in fact, it was his third job already, and he was earning a lot of money. But there was something missing in his life, and he didn't know what it was. He struggled to name the specific issue as pretty much everything in his life had thus far worked out. He was agnostic and of secular, assimilated Jewish descent. After a year of contemplation he remembered Baruch Spinoza, whom he had read in his youth and whose views impacted him to a sufficient degree. He was now struck by a weird realization: he cannot find the name Baruch Spinoza anywhere, either on the Internet or in real life. This realization is weird because every other philosopher is there, in fact every other person the Hero remembers is there, except for Baruch Spinoza. He is now suffering a powerful crisis because he doesn't know whether he truly read anything by anyone carrying that name, or whether he just inaccurately remembered something, or whether it never happened at all and it was all just a figment of his imagination. This crisis was short-lived, though: he is certain Baruch Spinoza existed.

>Knowing the emptiness of data science and corporate work, he finally identified the issue following his metanoia (illumination). The System behind Modernity was itself the issue. The Hero had suffered another crisis, from which he did not recover so quickly this time. A tumultuous few months later the crucial year of his life had arrived. He had by now identified his goal: construction of a better system on the bones of the old one. He became frantic. He searched for Nietzsche, and he was there. Baruch Spinoza was not. He was again beset by metanoia, leaping from one field to the other, and the Hero was eventually grasped by an all-encompassing anamnesis one fateful spring evening: April 20th, 2066.
>The Lone Initiate is born, or what the Overseer would classify as an IPI: an Irreconcilably Problematic Individual. One who cannot be re-educated, can only be erased. And it is this knowledge that the Lone Initiate uncovered: Baruch Spinoza was one such IPI, and the Lone Initiate should watch his step very carefully from now on, or the thread of the Prophecy will be severed.
need it or keep it?

[Anonymous No.20850847]

>>20850669
You realize Felix is a guy’s name right?

[Post-leninist !Yk65a4/uHI No.20850857]

>>20850826
>>20850831
Oh and the title given is:
>2071
or
>Twenty Seventy-One

[Anonymous No.20850858]

>The rain was especially bad today. Each droplet was almost quarter a thimble's worth of water, making a slight slapping sound on impact. It was heavy to the point that things felt invisible, like a fog. Normally, this kind of weather was to be expected, but something felt different about this downpour. It was... Off. Normally, rain would only hang in the air if it was hot out. But this was different. The air felt slick and oily, but notably frigid as well.
>Nobody was really out today because of this downpour, so the streets felt borderline hollow. Like nobody would come out. All that was there was the sound of the thick, heavy rain and the occasional engine of a passing police car.
>This monotony, however, was cut by a new sound. A sound that wasn't too big on it's own, but the echo carried it for miles around. It briefly overpowered the sound of the rain, and not many words could describe it besides one:
>A shriek.
How would you improve this?

[Anonymous No.20850891]

>>20850523
Congrats on the novel draft. Sounds like you're super productive, at best I usually have 1 good story idea at a time. Best of luck with finishing everything up!

>>20850537
Sounds good anon, you should do it.

[Anonymous No.20850909]

>>20850857
Stupid tripfag

[Anonymous No.20850932]

>>20850909
since it's just a copyright, i can continue without one

what do you think about the idea behind the novel? should i stick to it and keep writing? need it or keep it?

[Anonymous No.20850933]

>>20850858
Start from scratch.

[Anonymous No.20850939]

Do you have any scenes you struggle to write?

[Anonymous No.20850944]

>>20850719
>Leonard Cohen
Good choice, anon. My favorites:

I sit in my chair
I look at the street
The neighbor returns
My smile of defeat
I move with the leaves
I shine with the chrome
I'm almost alive
I'm almost at home
No one to follow
And nothing to teach
Except that the goal
Falls short of the reach

And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water
And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower
And when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him
He said all men will be sailors then until the sea shall free them
But he himself was broken, long before the sky would open
Forsaken, almost human, he sank beneath your wisdom like a stone

[Anonymous No.20850961]

>>20850933
What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.20850965]

>>20850826
>>20850831
will anyone respond?

[Anonymous No.20850991]

>>20850961
just describe what people would detect with their five senses

[Anonymous No.20850992]

You know what I fucking hate? When I'm reading a web serial and it's going alright, then suddenly the author spends like half a chapter making someone a tranny and talking about being a tranny. Then the whole thing turns into an excuse to talk about trannies and thinly-veiled identity politics. Fuck's sake I wish people would just be outward with this from the start so I could stop wasting time reading their garbage.
This hasn't even just happened once. It's been multiple fucking stories like this now.

[Anonymous No.20850997]

>>20850991
I'm not using a POV character

[Anonymous No.20851004]

>>20849906
I managed to cut like four pages from the script. Most writers could delete the first two scenes of their script and vastly improve them. In late, out early. I'll see what else I can trim.

Is pic related too on-the-nose?

[Anonymous No.20851008]

>>20850997
god is always watching

[Anonymous No.20851028]

>>20849814
For me it's wine coolers and Backstreet Boys.

[Anonymous No.20851038]

>>20850847
Yes and?

[Anonymous No.20851041]

Looking for books/guides on writing scripts for video-media (specifically youtube videos). Most interested in structure and constructing narration in a pleasant way.

Asked this yesterday but unfortunately nobody could provide a book rec so far.

[Anonymous No.20851051]

>>20851041
Just copy Matthewmatosis

[Anonymous No.20851063]

Writing smut is really hard.

[Anonymous No.20851084]

A quick edit, but smut is still hard to write. I'm thinking of trying to expand and elaborate this scene, but it's starting to feel repetitive.

[Anonymous No.20851085]

How much detail do you need for vivid imagery? I've noticed, through my study of the classics, that books such as Moby Dick or the Heart of Darkness tend to be exquisitely detailed—to the point where you could easily imagine what's going on because it's telling you, where as Epics such as the Kalevala, the Epic of Gilgamesh, Beowulf, the Illiad, the Odyssey, tend not to be as detailed yet are still, if not, even more vivid than books written in the last half of the century.

[Anonymous No.20851110]

>>20849434
I write in silence because I easily get distracted by music, whether good or bad.

[Anonymous No.20851263]

Day 66 editing
T'was a slow resetting of rules kind of day
Chapterino posted
i honestly dont know how people shit out 10k - 15k words a week and find any joy in life.

[Anonymous No.20851357]

Got just about everything together for KDP except book covers and I'm not sure if I should use some sort of free graphic design software or what. I'm going to commission cover artwork for the four books but I feel like I can do the cover creation just fine once I've got the art. Anyone worked with that tech before or know much about good programs to do so?

[Anonymous No.20851587]

>>20851085
Whatever works for you.

[Anonymous No.20851650]

[Anonymous No.20851699]

>>20851084
You have a bit of a weird, ungainly prose style. For example, do you need the word 'distinguishable'? The sound is obviously distinguishable because you hear it.

And how can a melody be 'written' with a mixture of gasps etc.?
The voice singing the tune was the humble girl doesn't make sense, 'was the voice of the humble girl' would.

I think you're trying to deploy a style of prose that doesn't come naturally to you, and so it sounds quite forced and leaden. You have to have a real lightness of touch to pull of this kind of woozy purple romanticism

[Anonymous No.20851881]

>>20850939
I haven't written many scenes that have lots of characters at a time. The most I've done is six, not counting the nameless crowd characters. I think I'm getting better at it, part of it to me is knowing which characters will talk the most and mapping out who has wrested control of the topic, when and why characters break away from the group, those kinds of things.

[Anonymous No.20851930]

>>20849327
I want to write a story about a guy who stops masturbating, and God blesses him, and the man becomes King of the world, and there is peace on the earth. The title of the story is 'Nofap Superman'. What do you guys think about the idea? You can be completely honest, I'm just looking for honest feedback.

[Anonymous No.20851931]

>only need to finish 4 more chapters, they each only need a thousand words each at most
>instead write 1k words of random short story because I felt like it
I have no self control

[Anonymous No.20851947]

>>20851650
Sounds like this marketing company doesn't even believe in itself. The worse 'advertising' I have ever seen.
>We have no idea what we're doing. Do you trust us?

[Anonymous No.20851957]

>>20851930
you can write that if you want to announce to the world 'i'm a jordan peterson fan'

[Anonymous No.20851963]

>>20851957
I like Jordan Peterson, but I don't really see how this has anything to do with him specifically.

[Anonymous No.20851974]

>>20851957
You know I never really got the idea that masturbation is this life-shattering force that deserves all the analysis and ethical scrutiny that it gets but maybe I was just never addicted to it.
At worst to me it's just generally unhelpful behavior. At best it stops wet dreams.

[Anonymous No.20851996]

>>20851974
You need to look at it from the view of the person saying it. A fat person thinks that all their problems come from their being fat. If they could lose the weight, things would be better. A drug addict thinks their problems all come from drugs. If they could stop doing drugs, things would be better.
Likewise, someone who spends hours looking at porn but not having actual sex thinks that masturbating is the cause of their problems.

[Anonymous No.20852074]

Which premise holds most appeal for you? I can't decide which to focus on.

1) I ended up in the world of the game I played as a low level vampire but everything about it sucks and I want to turn back to human again.
2) I'm pretending to be an engineering student at a magic academy, but I'm actually a foreign spy who sabotages the kingdom.
3) I was a warrior in my past life but reincarnated as a powerless, magic-less working class girl in another hero's story and don't want to become a baby factory.

[Anonymous No.20852097]

>>20852074
pick 2 or 3 because i want to steal 1 and make it a convoluted adventure like the oblivion cure-vampirism quest

[Anonymous No.20852098]

>>20852074
These all sound like bad anime. Stop watching anime and read a real book.

[Anonymous No.20852101]

>My rape scene is a seven hundred word, single sentence clusterfuck of first person narration.

[Anonymous No.20852151]

>>20852097
Skyrim was the source of inspiration, so go ahead

[Anonymous No.20852152]

>>20851996
Well, stopping masturbating is the ultimate sign of having self-control. If masturbation is one's biggest 'issue' that person must be very holy indeed. Think about what would happen if they quit that for good.

[Anonymous No.20852156]

>>20851699
Think it's better to just write that she's masturbating?

[Anonymous No.20852169]

niggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfuckerniggerfucker

[Anonymous No.20852174]

>>20852169
Hello, I'd like to have a talk in private about signing you for a book deal.

[Anonymous No.20852181]

>>20851084
Consider a more restrained style of prose. You don't have a great command of the kind of lyricism and literary pyrotechnics needed to "ponder." The use of less common language must justify its presence. A good rule of thumb is that if a word could be replaced by a more common synonym, you should use it. If you think any particular word is necessary due to specificity of the concept represented, it's maybe fine. But when you stick obtuse terminology into sentences that already flow poorly, you're just going to grate and burn up a reader's good will. I'd say that you should read and write more poetry to get a sense for rhythm and flow, but I would guess that you're writing smut for a reason. Also read Anais Nin. She's the only genuinely good author who ever wrote smut.

[Anonymous No.20852196]

>>20852181
I didn't mention the biggest thing. Everything is subservient to flow. Using that authorial tone you do, you are basically putting up a sign in big red block letters that says, "THIS WILL EITHER BE AMAZING OR TERRIBLE." It gets every single reader to look at you in a different light and scan for quality. The quality must actually be there or it's automatically terrible. It must be lyrical and it must flow. The reason you use a word like "ponder" must be because there is no other word that would do to preserve the beauty of the sentence.

[Anonymous No.20852231]

>>20852196
>you are basically putting up a sign in big red block letters that says, "THIS WILL EITHER BE AMAZING OR TERRIBLE.
The easy solution to this, which most gladly take, is to tone down the prominence of the writing itself — the "Iowa MFA style," or whatever, per some anon from the last thread. The entire function of this style is to create a kind of standardized stylism that levels the playing field for authors of all (but mostly poor) levels of talent and skill. It's what you do when you give up on art and instead set to engineering a product for consumption.

[Anonymous No.20852240]

>>20852174

I've got loads more stuff like that

[Anonymous No.20852259]

>>20852181
>>20852196
>>20852231
You think it's better to write using a workman's prose? I figured the MC has a few screws loose, so his narration is jarring and unnatural.

[Anonymous No.20852287]

>>20849327
>For General Writing
>doesn't mention On writing and style

[Anonymous No.20852288]

>>20852259
No. What I think is that workmanlike prose is trite and boring and in need of suicide via two shots to the back of the head. That said, if you want a more expressive style, you really need to work at it. To a degree, you need talent. You need impeccable taste. You really need to agonize over every sentence, line by line, to make sure every single word is where it needs to be. A lazily-written work that tries to have style is more offensive than the drabbest, most minimal prose fresh out the MFA classroom.

[Anonymous No.20852289]

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/aug/16/alex-aster-interview-lightlark-booktok-tiktok

This is how you market bros. Be a hot girl and Sell your info on TikTok.

[Anonymous No.20852315]

I'm scared to post my best extracts here (or stuff I think is my best) because I'm scared people will steal things from it... will you all promise not to?

[Anonymous No.20852326]

>>20852315
please do NOT post noone cares

[Anonymous No.20852331]

>>20852326
Fine well you'll all miss out on some of the finest new writing of the century

[Anonymous No.20852334]

>>20852288
Jeeze, I actually took the time to write and rewrite sentences but if the reader still thinks it's poorly written and trite, that's bad.

Anyone have books in first person featuring a strange unrelatable narrator?

[Anonymous No.20852335]

>>20852315
Nobody is going to steal your stuff. Even if they do they won't know what to do with it.

[Anonymous No.20852338]

>>20852334
Lolita is all you need for first person narration. Read and reread. Read it again. Nabokov was a master.

[Anonymous No.20852348]

>>20852334
Adding to Lolita which is a great rec, The Sea, The Sea by Iris Murdoch is another fantastic example of an unreliable narrator written meticulously

[Anonymous No.20852389]

Observing you men. It has been 3 years and I have yet to see one impressive writer arise. I’m beginning to think if you’re in this general you’ve already lost.

[Anonymous No.20852402]

>>20850054
I read and critique other people's works because I can't writing anything of value myself.

[Anonymous No.20852416]

>>20852338
>>20852348
I'll check out the sea. I'm bored with Lolita. I've been looking into Poe for inspiration. He does a lot of first person.

[Anonymous No.20852429]

Something I was toying with last week that you guys may enjoy messing with. Just a few bullets as a style guide for my main project - I found it formalized ideas that had been floating around in my head/I'd been doing naturally as writing progressed.

Curious to see yours or hear if I missed any elements of style I can add in.

[Anonymous No.20852436]

I read a lot of YA fantasy, light novels, visual novels, and JRPGs.

[Anonymous No.20852442]

>>20852389
All the impressive writers stop coming here once they reach the level of impressive

[Anonymous No.20852478]

All of my characters are LGBT POC am I the best writer ever?

[Anonymous No.20852487]

I fixed the first third of my script, but I still need to trim the unnecessary stage directions and description. How do you think I should fix our villain's introduction? Any scripts that have a good car chase I can model this after? Maybe I'll look at how they did it in Drive

[Anonymous No.20852494]

was I schizing out when I wrote this? trying to write prose in the poesy of manley hopkins

[Anonymous No.20852496]

>>20852487
Batman doesn't laugh. But it's interesting.

[Anonymous No.20852500]

>>20852496
He didn't laugh, it was deadpan literally saying "Laughing out loud." Glad it mostly reads well, though. I really like this exchange

[Anonymous No.20852540]

>>20852416
Gene Wolfe's stuff is also great for first person. Inb4 genrefag >>>/out/.

[Anonymous No.20852601]

>>20852494
i miss robert jordan so bad bros

[Anonymous No.20852607]

>>20852601
Why? I'm now all the way to the BrandoSando parts of WoT and my takeaway so far is that Jordan was sexually aroused by women getting spanked made it a far too prominent part of his story.

[Anonymous No.20852619]

>>20852181
>literary pyrotechnics needed to "ponder." The use of less common language must justify its presence.
>Ponder is a less used fancy word
>Reading abilities have gotten worse the past two decades
>Soon even words like "Greetings" will be obsolete, and critics will claim a simple "hello" will suffice (do).
How do I adapt to new readers?

[Anonymous No.20852647]

>>20852601
I am not sure what this means.

[Anonymous No.20852681]

>>20852619
By being less of a passive aggressive cunt about missing the point.

[Anonymous No.20852690]

>>20852619
I know what ponder means and your writing is still bad

[Anonymous No.20852715]

>>20852690
>>20852681
>Missing the point
>Getting so angry
>Not even the anon that wrote the piece
>Probably Gardner posters
We will be all never make it

[Anonymous No.20852735]

>>20852607
He also likes domineering women that rape men

[Anonymous No.20852830]

>>20852647
flesh so fine, so fine to tear, to gash the skin; skin to strip, to plait, so nice to plait the strips, so nice, so red the drops that fall; blood so red, so red, so sweet; sweet screams, pretty screams, singing screams, scream your song, sing your screams

[Anonymous No.20852848]

>>20852830
Complete drivel

[Anonymous No.20852852]

>>20852830
This is the edgy shit from The Ways?

[Anonymous No.20852869]

>>20852735
Sounds hawt.

[Anonymous No.20852872]

>>20852869
Yeah the queen sexing up Mat was fun.

[Anonymous No.20852937]

>>20852830
what a terrible sentence.

[Anonymous No.20852964]

>>20849830
Very vague, and sadly not the problem I have. I'm talking about the actual act of writing narration, it's a big blank space to me. I can talk to you about a cool scene where the protagonist finds out that his archnemesis is actually his father in a climactic battle, but if you ask me to put that down into narration it's the most wooden, beige garbage you can imagine.

[Anonymous No.20852974]

>>20852181
>>20852196
I like this advice. So many of you seem to get lost in this fetishized image of what an author should be. When that happens, flow is the first thing to go. An author's job is to entertain, not to posture as an author.
Your condemnation of worksmanlike prose is also commendable. Normally when I see someone arguing against psuedisms it's some Brandosando word vomitteer (usually Boswell) intimated by anyone with a grade eight education. Nice to see someone with a nuanced opinion that is actually useful.

[Anonymous No.20853005]

>>20852974
Doesn't your argument contradict your point? You argue authors should entertain, but condemn workman's prose. Workman's prose is the easiest style to entertain the greatest amount of people. Hence why Sanderson and Patterson are so popular. This isn't saying the piece of work the anon put out is any good, but there is definitely a time and place for every story.

Dickens prose is filled with unnecessary words, but it worked for his era.

[Anonymous No.20853122]

>>20852974
A writer should alternate between aiming for what they can achieve and aiming for what they want to achieve. The possibility of producing bad art doesn't invalidate the pursuit of good art.

[Anonymous No.20853159]

>>20852715
Get off the internet Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20853220]

Opening Scene. Going for engaging, actiony.

[Anonymous No.20853224]

Part 2

[Anonymous No.20853244]

>>20850965
Anon you are delusional if you think you’re going to write some great philosophical work. Nobody will touch your manuscript with a ten foot pole.

[Anonymous No.20853251]

Giant monsters are my forte, and I like to go full steam ahead with creative concepts. You?

[Anonymous No.20853254]

>>20853220
I'm having a hard time making sense of the flow of events. I would tone down the gerunds.
>The controller sat down at his panel. He held his face in one hand and anxiously drew from a cigarette with the other. Between drags, he rolled the filter between his thumb and forefinger.
>A grizzled man stepped out of the smokey dark and bent over the control panel. He placed a hand on the controller's shoulder and the panel's neon lights illuminated the lines on his face.
etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.20853265]

>>20853251
I just write simplistically and to the point. I follow the KISS method

[Anonymous No.20853279]

>>20850965
>>20853244
This, but you should still write it. No traditional publisher will look at it unless you have great connections already and it's too non-pandering to ever make it through self-publishing. But write it for you and the niche that will love it.

[Anonymous No.20853285]

>>20853254
Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.20853289]

>>20852074
The first one, no contest.

[Anonymous No.20853292]

In the jungles of Tuwuva, lived a boy who only ate one thing, fidgeberries. He ate them for breakfast. He ate them for lunch, and he ate them for dinner. The boy could eat them by the bushels. One day he went on a walk and met a witch. The witch grew fidgeberries in her garden. The boy asked the witch if he could have some. The witch refused. The next day, the boy returned and asked again. Once again the witch refused. The boy came back a third day. He asked the witch again, and once again the witch said no. The boy asked “Why? Why won’t you share?” The witch gave him an answer. “You have to save some for others.” The boy was mad. All he wanted was fidgeberries. The witch had so many and she did not share. He thought of a plan. This time the boy did not return home. He waited until it was night. The witch would go to sleep and he would eat all the fidgeberries. The boy did just that. He ate and ate and ate. The boy was so stuffed from eating so much he could not move anymore. The bushes were bare, and there were no more. He was fat and happy. The witch had no more fidgeberries. Morning came and the witch came out of her house to pick some berries. She went to the bushes on the right, and on the left. There were no more berries. Instead she saw the boy. Fat and satisfied. “You ate all the berries!” the witch screamed. “Yes I did, this is what you get for not sharing!” “Not sharing? I shared my berries with all in the village. The doctors needed it for medicine, the bakers for their pies, the tailors for their dye. You did not share with anyone! The boy shrugged his shoulders, “This wouldn’t happen if you shared with me first.” The witch looked at the boy. “I will curse you into a giant gelatinous blob that can do nothing but eat! It is what you truly are!” And with a zap, the boy disappeared, and all that was left was an ooze. It ran off into the forest never to be seen again.


This is a story inside a story. Does it read like a children's book?

[Anonymous No.20853327]

I hope you're all working on a YA fantasy story for the masses. With dark emotions and sexy steamy scenes.

[Anonymous No.20853363]

>>20853327
Actually, I have a relevant question.
I write SFF and I'm currently writing a simpler but more tweesty story with two teenagers as the MCs. They meet halfway through and near the end I was going to have them hatefuck, but I don't actually know if that's a thing in YA. I've read a number of stories and they're filled with romance and sometimes have kissing scenes, but I haven't read any with explicit sex scenes.
For the record, I'm talking tradpud YA, not "anything I don't like" YA.

[Anonymous No.20853370]

>>20853292
Yeah, it does read like something a parent would tell a child as a cautionary bedtime story.

[Anonymous No.20853411]

>>20849331
just wrote 2k!
might push another 500 words or something

[Anonymous No.20853418]

>>20853363
No idea. Everything seems to be YA now.

[Anonymous No.20853466]

>>20853220
I wasn't engaged after the first paragraph. I think there needs to be more set up instead of immediately seeing something in space. Have the astronaut bitch about being sent out there or something

[Anonymous No.20853468]

I don’t get this. Everyone on this boardsupposedlyreads Joyce, Melville, Tolstoy,Dostoevsky, DFW, Pynchon, etc., yet everyone writes reddit-tier genre shit. Where are my fellow autists writingpretentious literary fiction?

[Anonymous No.20853485]

>>20853005
I don't fully agree with him on the worksmanlike prose suiciding bit—It's a bit kneejerk for my liking. I just found it to be interesting that he wasn't a Boswell clone with his original argument.
Though I will say, worksmanlike prose can be a huge issue. Many who swear by it tend to use it as an excuse for their lack of charisma in the exact same way that a psued will bemoan anyone who "doesn't get it".
Take this piece by our aforementioned Boswell. It's bad. You don't need to be told that. You don't need to be told why. You already know. Reading through it is like staring a past-her-prime tranny in the mug. It's not a women. It's not a human. It's an Adam's apple. It's a drooping eye. It's thinning hair. It's skeletal hands that could palm a watermelon. The errors distract from the whole until they become the whole.
The interesting thing though, is that our writers on the exact opposite spectrum suffer from the exact same issue. Bucksneed agonizes over each and every word, not with flow or charisma in mind, but with the crippling fear that his facade might fall if he uses a two syllable word. In doing so he throws away every intention of being charismatic or entertaining. Every time he decides that he would rather posture over entertain is another millimeter to the five-o'clock shadow.
You are an entertainer. Be entertaining. It's your only job.

[Anonymous No.20853486]

>>20853468
Obviously, the people reading those are not the same people who are actually writng things.

[Anonymous No.20853528]

>>20853468
>everyone loves the Indy 500 but how come people here only drive Dodge Chargers and Nissan Sentra?

[Anonymous No.20853538]

>>20853468
Nobody reads, moron, is this your first day?

[Anonymous No.20853549]

>>20853468
Different audiences. Also genrefags won the power struggle like a year ago and everyone with pretentions of writing anything besides isekai and Brandon Sanderson rip offs left.

I occasionally come here to mald at the absolute state.

[Anonymous No.20853552]

>>20853468
are you for real, or is this going over my head?
what is your goal? because no matter what you've written, you need to be worldly, educated, accomplished, influential, etc. if you intend to have any affect on anyone.
why should anyone even consider what some shut-in faggot has to say?

anyway, it has to do with expectations and actually having you work read.

[Anonymous No.20853575]

>>20853468
I blend literary aspirations with genre-ish topics. Alternative historical fiction, fantasy. Some contemporary realistic fiction.

[Anonymous No.20853577]

>>20853549
how would you normally identify someone's work as brandon ssanderon 'inspired'? or are you just talking epic fantasy?
the litRPG stuff is great though.. it's sort of by-retards-for-retards stuff that aspiring writers can jump into. i'm trying to read one, it's fun but also incredibly painful to read.

[Anonymous No.20853592]

>>20853552
The sentiment here that you have to write horrific plug and play machine produced garbaggio else languish in obscurity is insane and not even reflective of reality. Most of the writing here has zero presence in the traditional publishing market. It’s all self pub. And if you have a desire to “be read”, good fucking luck. Go peruse the 20 or so books published by wg authors and count the cumulative reviews, see if you reach 40.

The fact of the matter is that none of you are writing jack reacher esque action novels or cozy mysteries or romance and therefore aren’t writing in a genre that sells anymore than literary fiction.
Fantasy and Science Fiction are absolutely carried by the classics and it is very hard to sell an agent a manuscript by an unknown.
It’s all hard. Convincing someone to pump out the absolute worst sort of pulp in order to get read is delusional and a blatant attempt to sabotage and demoralize anyone with ambition.

[Anonymous No.20853598]

>>20853575
this is wise, and i don't doubt these works that inspire that anon were doing themselves to some extent. at least, before your name means anything to anyone.

[Anonymous No.20853602]

>>20853592
Gardner alone has 70

[Anonymous No.20853620]

>>20853602
Lol, well that’s good and all but Gardner has spent many thousands on ads and I know those reviews are basically all Arcade and Croc.
As for the rest? I believe Son of the Sun has 11, which I believe may be more than the sum of the rest.
And of course, even Gardner sells about 10-15 copies per month across all books, look at his BSR.

[Anonymous No.20853622]

Nobody is interested in lit fic. My Chinaman story has no interest between here reddit and twitter. Not even the Asian American community gave a shit.

[Anonymous No.20853638]

>>20853622
Not a soul is interested in independent lit fic. It has to be published. It is impossible to sell independently which is why Nesmer’s whole thing drives me a little crazy.

[Anonymous No.20853644]

>>20853592
not sure where to begin, but this is incredibly naive.. but one thing that stands out,
>a blatant attempt to sabotage
if my post were to influence anyone one way or another.. what does that say about them? especially for someone with those influences lol

[Anonymous No.20853650]

>>20853622
Not too late to rape her Wgon.

[Anonymous No.20853655]

>>20853638
That's the worst part. Even after checking off as many checkboxes to maximize my chance of being published. It fails. They really want me to have a social media presence. But if I'm that big, I wouldn't need trade publishing. My million of fans would buy it.

Hell look at Daniel Greene. He has a following and publishers won't touch his book.

[Anonymous No.20853664]

>>20853650
Don't remind me. She found someone else. Now I'm stuck with a completed manuscript written for my crush, mocking my every waking moment.

[Anonymous No.20853677]

>>20853644
So you basically don’t deny anything I said then said if someone falls for your nonsense which you of course admit is demoralizing nonsense then it’s their fault?
You are irrelevant, the common sentiment in this thread is what I hate. And I see it every time I have the misfortune of reading this general. It’s idiotic cope spewed by talentless hacks with no vision who derive no joy from writing or reading but believe they can hit some monetary come up by writing schlock. It’s a disgusting way of thinking that’s killed any real potential this general ever had.

I’ll do what I always do, because the people who use this board have battered egos and arrested developement, encourage anyone interested in writing literary fiction to write short stories and submit to journals and build a portfolio. And encourage non litfic writers to vacate this thread as the advice here is bad on purpose. Like that retard that keeps telling everyone to dumb down their language and cut out description. I want to kill that guy.

[Anonymous No.20853693]

>>20850819
No plans for another /ffa/. The 3x anthologies stand well as a complete set. I'm happy with them. Of course, anyone can copy the OP and start a new /ffa/ effort.

[Anonymous No.20853696]

Trying to come up with ways to slip my anti-semitism into my work in a way that agents and publishers won't notice desu

[Anonymous No.20853708]

>>20853677
sabotage is convincing someone to waste their time; what i'm guilty of above, if anything, is a reality check.
>you are irrelevant
likewise/exactly. please don't forget it. you seem unhinged.

really, the perceived 'low overhead' of writing is probably treacherous to some.

[Anonymous No.20853718]

>>20853696
bankers

[Anonymous No.20853733]

>>20853677
I just write for fun and for people on the internet. I really should sign up for TikTok or Instagram though

[Anonymous No.20853740]

>>20853677
>Like that retard that keeps telling everyone to dumb down their language and cut out description. I want to kill that guy.
also, in regards to this. it could be good advice. there are writers with no self-awareness embarrassing themselves out there; however, anyone who knows better, does so for a reason.
it's not like advice is one size fits all. same with mine.

[Anonymous No.20853750]

>>20853696
My main character hates a Jew, so he spews anti-semitism all the time. It's fun to write.

[Anonymous No.20853765]

>>20853718
They're on to that already, I think.
>>20853750
I actually planned on doing the same thing, but for a different story than the one I'm working on now. Anti-semitism doesn't fit with this particular protagonist.

[Anonymous No.20853772]

>>20853696
A supremacist cult that has agents in high places through extreme in-group favoritism, i.e cult members emplying and otherwise favoring other cult members.

[Anonymous No.20853791]

>>20853592
> you have to write horrific plug and play machine produced garbaggio
will wight's "cradle" is the most successful self published book around
it's very well written
it's based on japanese anime, shonen jump style
he made the new york times best seller list

[Anonymous No.20853795]

My name is Mr Bean;
You're probably wondering what I mean.
How can a man, also be Bean?
When surely Bean is a vegetable theeng,
While man belongs to the animal scene.
Such a mix has never been seen,
Not in history books or on TV screens,
Only, perhaps, in a terrible dream.
Well let me tell you what I mean.
I am indeed both man and Bean.
Though semi-Bean I may not seem,
Scrub my coating and make me clean,
Scrub until I'm all pristine,
And you'll uncover my skin of green:
From head to toe I'm green as a Bean.
See it sparkle with a vegetal sheen.
(I paint it over so it remains unseen.)
Behold my body wrought taught and lean
And the secret pulsing of the unseen Bean.

[Anonymous No.20853797]

>>20853696
I have a fantasy story that is basically just uncovering and attempting to destroy a "secret cabal of rulers who shape the flow of history through catastrophic events and well-placed bribes" and they are immortal because they drink the blood of newborns and view themselves as a holy guiding race, but I'm having lots of second thoughts about the newborn part.

[Anonymous No.20853804]

>>20853795
>Not Rowan Atkinson
It's already a failure

[Anonymous No.20853820]

>>20853804
100 years from now, the name of Mr Bean will conjure to all minds my poem and my poem alone. The clown Atkinson will rot in oblivion.

[Anonymous No.20853853]

>>20853468
Me. I dont normally post my work but I did submit to next issue of &amp. The piece is a setup for something more serious but I wrote the short as less reflective because it was mostly about them trying not to die. The novel will probably end up shelved as scifi or paranormal though. Will have to see.
>>20853622
Rip Winganon.

[Anonymous No.20853859]

>>20853655
>He has a following and publishers won't touch his book.
Was he actually rejected by publishers though? If I was him I would just self-pub as well. Think about it, as an influencer you have a guaranteed little fief of ~5k sales. You can either let tradpub eat 80% of that guaranteed profit and pray that you make it back by selling an additional, what like an additional 25k sales than from just your fanbase? How likely is that to happen when to everyone but your fanbase you are an unknown author?

[Anonymous No.20853881]

>>20853859
You don't understand just how rotten to the core tradpub is
Unless you have a personal connection in the industry to get your foot in the door, you're infinitely better off just going one of the many avenues of selfpub/independent.

[Anonymous No.20853884]

>>20853791
Yeah, I’m familiar, I’ve read the first three volumes. We’re you under the impression that I said that style of lit doesn’t sell? There’s a reason you’re all writing it.

[Anonymous No.20853893]

>>20853791
On Will Wight there are two important pieces: he was the first westerner to make it big writing wuxia. Even now, most wuxia is unreadable mtl trash and the stuff that ain’t is still woefully written, eight isn’t writing plug and play garbage because he’s literally writing the best of that genre. He was also first. Two very big advantages

[Anonymous No.20853910]

>>20853893
No no, you see every single instance of a genre I don't like is either plug and play turbopulp trash or pretentious overwritten trash

[Anonymous No.20853959]

>>20853910
Can you stop being a faggot please?

[Anonymous No.20853972]

>>20853959
no

[Anonymous No.20853977]

>>20853972
Yeah I didn't think you could. Worth a try though.

[Anonymous No.20854028]

>I have this recurring dream, where I suddenly realize I didn't feed my cat for a week. Didn't feed him, didn't play with him, didn't bother checking on him at all. It's a sudden realization that turns into fear and panic. How could I do it? Do I really not care or love him at all? I want to run, to find him, to say sorry. I fear he won't forgive my negligence.
I wake up, and slowly realize it's been almost 6 years since he passed.

[Anonymous No.20854123]

>>20854028
damn lady well at least you don't have kids

[Anonymous No.20854152]

>>20852964
Sorry, I misinterpreted your post. I thought you were having trouble coming up with an idea or premise, not the writing itself.
>it's the most wooden, beige garbage you can imagine
Even if it's bad, still write it. Don't write much, just a page or so to start with, then begin expanding on it. My first draft is usually donee like this
>write nothing but the actions in a scene
>write the scene again, describing the actions
>write the scene again, describing the setting
>write the scene again, describing the character(s)
>add any dialogue
>edit the scene
>next scene
After you get going you don't need to do this often, but I still do it from time to time when I'm stuck, it keeps you moving and thinking. Idling can turn to procrastination. I always find it easier to write when I have something, anything on the page to play around with.

[Anonymous No.20854227]

>>20853859
No way. As a huge influencer, you get to have a professional editor to look it over. His first and second book were already shat on because they were poorly written. This hurts his reputation.

Put out an excellent book and you can grow. Same with the iWriterly girl. Huge following thought she could just do it herself, wrote a shitty book, got fucked and now gone from YouTube. With a clout you need to make sure the first book is good.

[Anonymous No.20854322]

>>20854028
This but I have daytime guilt thoughts of when my family's guinea pig died

[Anonymous No.20854342]

>>20854028
Get a new cat, the best you can do to honor your previous cat's memory is by giving another cat a good life.

[Anonymous No.20854358]

>>20854342
she'll probably just neglect and kill that one too

[Anonymous No.20854403]

>>20853622
>>20853638
>>20853655
The traditional way of getting your lit fic published (other than being lucky, either by sending the right book to the right publisher at the right time,catching the eye of the right person at a publishing house or by accidentally getting a good agent) is to get a few short stories published. It's easier to start there and once you have some out there, publishing houses are more likely to be interested in a book.

[Anonymous No.20854429]

>>20854403
I wouldn't mind barfing out short stories if it didn't require me to pay them. Have contests or sites that are free?

[Anonymous No.20854478]

My biggest problem is that I have difficulty putting what I have in my head into words. For example
>A space-bug-thing that moves at light speed and evaporates planets by just flying through them.
>Now it's heading our way, but it just stops outside of our solar system and drastically slows down to like, mach 50 before eventually making it to our atmosphere
How the hell would you communicate this kind of crazy shit in words?

[Anonymous No.20854483]

>>20854478
>How the hell would you communicate this kind of crazy shit in words?
I wouldn't, it's a stupid idea.

[Anonymous No.20854485]

>>20854429
There are tons of magazines that don't require you to pay for submissions, it's actually more the norm. Go find a list of literary mags and start reading what kinds of stories they like to get.

[Anonymous No.20854498]

(((You))) 20853622
Why are you guys so adverse to advertising?
You’ll spend 200+ hrs on your first book (at least) and refuse to spend 2 bucks on amazon or facebook ads to drive sales to your hard work.
How little is your time worth to you guys?
Have some self respect.

[Anonymous No.20854499]

>>20854478
Start with the setting, then think up some characters, then develop the plot. What's this story supposed to be about? Mankind combating or coming to terms with this impending doom? Or is it about the space bug itself (less interesting)?

[Anonymous No.20854505]

>>20854498
I don't write for others.

[Anonymous No.20854506]

>>20854505
You don’t write for yourself either, because that shit ain’t selling!

[Anonymous No.20854510]

>>20854498
>2 bucks
you mean several thousand at the least

[Anonymous No.20854519]

>>20854510
No I meant 2 bucks you fat retard. Advertising is pennies on the dollar with no minimum for internet ads.
The vast majority of ads are on the bid system.

[Anonymous No.20854530]

>>20854519
>No I meant 2 bucks you fat retard
These are the kinds of people paying for advertising.

[Anonymous No.20854540]

>>20854506
If I wanted to publish, I'd advertise. But I don't post my work online and I don't intend on selling anything. I only have a few works under my belt, I write for myself. To improve, to express my creativity. I don't have any gripes with advertising, but can't think of a single book I've read because I've seen an ad for it. A paid live radio segment? Sure. Word of mouth? Absolutely.

[Anonymous No.20854549]

>>20854530
Yes, and you know what? It works buddy. So yourself a favor and stop telling the anons here it takes thousands to advertise. Idk why you’re even lying about this shit.
Anons, the resources to learn to advertise are free and all over spotify and youtube.
If you want to actually sell a self published book, I’ll be the first to tell you the truth…You need to advertise!!!
What business on earth exists without some form of advertising???

[Anonymous No.20854555]

>>20854478
Give it a name. Call it, "The Big Bug" Once you give it a name you get into its buggy brain.
But the other guy is right. space bug that moves at the speed of light is retarded.
space bug that moves at the speed of light but then because earth is sooooooo special it doesn't obliterate it is even worse.

[Anonymous No.20854564]

>>20854555
>space bug that moves at the speed of light but then because earth is sooooooo special it doesn't obliterate it is even worse.
He just has to make it that it needs to charge up like the Deathstar before obliterating a world, or something to that effect. I agree that making it act differently around Earth for no reason is not only stupid, but inconsistent.

[Anonymous No.20854565]

>>20854498
I spent $30. I got zero sales

[Anonymous No.20854566]

>>20854549
Not that anon, I just think you're an asshole too. Take your meds Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20854567]

>>20854429
>>20854485
Yeah, not having to pay is the norm, the bigger barrier is actually getting published. Most magazines also have a short (ranging from a few months to a few weeks a year) which is also a hindrance if you just want to get a ton of stories out there. Luckily, most don't mind if you submit to other places, as long as you let them know if your story is accepted by someone else.

[Anonymous No.20854569]

>>20854565
And that’s no one’s fault but your own. Idk what kind of ad campaign you ran.
Idk what your bids were.
Idk why you stopped after hitting zero sales instead of learning from a failure, but the short of it is suck it up and try again.

[Anonymous No.20854577]

At least the retard isn't shilling booktok anymore. He's halfway to suggesting my original advice. Shame he hasn't stumbled upon the target audiences section yet.

[Anonymous No.20854582]

>>20854555
Because we have something it's been looking for. Should've mentioned that

[Anonymous No.20854584]

>>20854582
How does it intend on getting that something? And what is it?

[Anonymous No.20854589]

>>20854584
By, I dunno, not smashing into the planet and carefully looking for what it's looking for? Which happens to be it's younger sibling.

[Anonymous No.20854590]

[Anonymous No.20854595]

>>20854590
Awful as always.

[Anonymous No.20854596]

>>20854590
Why do you have us bookmarked?

[Anonymous No.20854597]

>>20854589
Sorry, I assumed the bug was large and alien. Is the bug the main character?

[Anonymous No.20854613]

>>20854589
So you have The Big Bug and The Less Big Bug.
That's 2 characters, right there.

[Anonymous No.20854617]

>>20854597
It's actually around the size of a building, and it's obviously an alien. It's not the protagonist though, that's it's little sibling. The way my story works is that it's a bunch of plotlines that take place in the same setting and involve similar things. And then they start crossing over and influencing each other.

[Anonymous No.20854619]

>>20854617
There should really be a separate writing general for drivel like this.

[Anonymous No.20854626]

>>20854478
Let me guess. You wanted to do film, anime or a game, but writing sounded easier.

[Anonymous No.20854640]

>>20854626
>>20854619
I notice that the people in this general are really, really adverse to
>Anything with high stakes
>Anything with fantastical elements
>Anything with drama
>Anything that doesn't function like an American classic (IE of Mice and Men, Great Gatsby, etc)

[Anonymous No.20854643]

>>20854478

Here’s how I would do it.
>have the bug move just under the speed of light (makes it more realistic)
>have a scientist notice that planets that have been visible before are now gone.
>have the scientist figure out the pattern and calculate the trajectory, have him realise that the bug is at a collision course with earth.
>have him calculate to which planet to point the telescope at as to catch the bug in the act.
>have him call his superiors
>in the next chapter have him present his findings in front of the government.

Yeah it’s the cliché disaster movie opening scene. But it does the job.

[Anonymous No.20854658]

>>20854577
Why this nigga pretendin like he invented advertisement, the fuck?

[Anonymous No.20854660]

>>20854640
You forgot garbage writing.

[Anonymous No.20854670]

>>20854617
You've been talking about this monster world with fights for a long, long time. Do you, do you actually have any, you know, any of this written. Not in outline form, but like individual chapters that have a, you know, start, middle and end.

[Anonymous No.20854677]

>>20854643
I'd start it immediately after that, the goverment are in panic mode. They're checking his findings again and again to confirm them, they try to supress news of the bug in the media. Though I have no clue how to write it having two non-human main characters. Not even fictional humanoids, but bugs.

[Anonymous No.20854717]

>>20854670
I just like writing stories in the world.

[Anonymous No.20854722]

>>20854619
>>20854626
based gatekeepers (actually necessary here)

[Anonymous No.20854738]

>>20854717
Cool. Are you posting them anywhere? Are you planning on posting them anywhere? Because I'd beinterested in reading them, at some point

[Anonymous No.20854770]

>>20854738
Stop. I know you're just fucking with him but he doesn't.

[Anonymous No.20854779]

>>20854677

I think that’s going to result in what I like to call ‘Lawnmower Plot’. It’s a scenario when the story starts when the stakes are already high and there isn’t enough space to introduce the characters without killing the pacing, so the intensity of the story is all over the place.

Basically imagine if a slasher movie started with the main characters being chased by the killer in scene one. And only after a long chase scene the pacing grows to a halt as we get to meet them, with one guy already dead.

[Anonymous No.20854832]

>another short story rejected
>they even told me they actually liked it, but they're under space constraints and didn't like it ENOUGH for it to make the cut

I want to fucking die.

[Anonymous No.20854850]

>>20854779
I think it'd be fine as long as there was a second inciting incident. You start it off with high stakes, doing away with drawn out exposition and focus getting the setting right, only to pull back from the worries of the govenment and mankind, shfiting the point of view to the protagonist. The sibling bug is out in the world oblivious to the brother bug's presence. I'd do it so that the reader doesn't know what exactly is causing such alarm, only that something is. Then they discover the brother bug's arrival through the eyes of the younger sibling as the plot develops. The only interesting part of your version, in my opinion, would be knowing exactly how the bug is destroying planets as well as the scientist's struggle convincing the govenment of his findings, but even then, I can't see it working unless the scientist is the protagonist. And knowing too much detail so soon is detrimental to the reader's interest.

[Anonymous No.20854870]

>>20854832
Submit to a few more places. Or ask if they'd consider it for a future issue. They'll probably say submit it again in X months if you want another shot, but maybe you get a positive response.

[Anonymous No.20854885]

>>20849327
https://allpoetry.com/poem/16686334-The-Whale-and-the-Sea-Monster-by-JHK3

[Anonymous No.20854886]

>>20854770
>>20854738
There's a reason I don't mention their names.
I just think they're incredibly stupid and not a name in the world would make them sound cool or even remotely serious.

[Anonymous No.20854889]

>>20854850
Just write his book for him ffs

[Anonymous No.20854903]

>>20854832
Looool and then when you so get accepted by gatekeepers they’ll drop your book after it doesn’t outsell your very small advance.
Hahahahahhahahaha

[Anonymous No.20854911]

>>20854903
Meanwhile Dickfuck McGee makes a living wage off of writing trashy litrpg on RR+Patreon

[Anonymous No.20854914]

>another 5k words and I'll be finished with the ending
>everything up the ending was already edited. by myself
>so close I can fucking taste it
wife is reading it for the first time. Friday night deadline. Nervous, but very, very excited. Going out to a professional developmental editor September 1st

[Anonymous No.20854929]

>>20854911
Hahahaha lit rpg AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHSHAHHAHAHAHAHHA do people actually think this sells?????

[Anonymous No.20854933]

>>20849331
I do. Look.

>>20854822
The beauty of the American continent was based on its people who improved the land and the lives on it; one pleasurable thing to judge was the impeccable politics under the Hispanic people and their sovereignty. This commenced to decay in the 1600s, with the slithering and squatting of certain people who hated the historic America; these people vilely deformed the augmented beauty of the continent through the last two centuries with genocides, dispossessions, and other macabre atrocities.

As the Anti-Hispanic black legends and void histories begin to be demolished, the real populism from Alaska to Patagonia is increasingly advocating for the real essence of the American continent. Some of the objectives being advocated are: the defense of the Hispanic sovereignty throughout America, the prioritization of the united interests of the people in America, and the sustaining of Hispanicity of America. Those who fabricated and continue a negative identity against the objectives of this populism do not belong on the American continent.

Anyone who views the people of the American continent with hatred or as a threat are enemies, compelled by their conscience to hide from the people behind a military in guilt and barriers in shame. These enemies have weaponized corporations, contractors, and media outlets against the people of the continent, what the people signify, and what they yearn. Yet these enemies lack the essence of the American continent and numantic spirit of its people. What the people of the American continent need is the completion of the second Way of St. James; a white road that spans from Alaska to Patagonia, a Christian pilgrimage that unites a continent like King Don Carlos almost attained in Europe.

[Anonymous No.20854934]

>>20854914
>developmental editor
lol

[Anonymous No.20854938]

>>20854889
Lightspeed big bug isn't even the strongest character

[Anonymous No.20854943]

What are some songs to fill out profiles and bibles with?
The usual just make me want to actually write.

>"just write then"
No, no, I need this step.

[Anonymous No.20854944]

>>20854929
>he lacks the crucial information

[Anonymous No.20854946]

>>20849791
>Because of this quirk of climate, the people south of the Mason-Dixon know how it is to wake up on a mid-June day already seething with anger.
Stopped reading right there. Already your story isn't believable. The heat of the climate serves as an antagonist to a city slicker. People who live that far south are used to it, and would laugh at the posh northerners complaining that it's hot. And if they lived there, they wouldn't wake up seething with anger. Seething anger happens because of sudden events. Not a lifetime of discomfort.

[Anonymous No.20854952]

Okay emilyanon this is kinda funny

[Anonymous No.20854953]

>>20854914
Congratulations and good luck anon.

[Anonymous No.20854956]

Sharing your writing online is bad enough but doing it IRL is awful. I'm haunted by the times I shared me writing with people I knew.

[Anonymous No.20854958]

>>20854952
>MY WIFE (Borat Voice)

[Anonymous No.20854959]

>>20850774
To the anon who wrote this, the org hates your poem. You should be ashamed of yourself. Downvoted -8.

[Anonymous No.20854969]

>>20853327
I wrote a YA Fantasy but there's no sex. I'm deeply repressed so the two leads only kiss and hold hands when they get together. Before that, it's just blushing, stolen glances, etc.

[Anonymous No.20854995]

>>20854952
Sex with Emily! Watching movies together!

[Anonymous No.20854999]

>>20854944
>lit rpg
>selling
Man what are you doing? You guys push yourselves into the weirdest niches and wonder why you can’t sell 5 books.
The best selling lit rpg book on amazon is ranked 777,466 in paperback sells (less than 6 sales per month) and the ebook only does well because it’s on kindle unlimited (free, meaning next to 0 profit besides the $0.004 per page read)
So that’s NUMBER 1. What happens when you’re average Joe number 500?
So you guys even look this shit up before posting?

[Anonymous No.20855011]

>>20854999
>he genuinely wholeheartedly doesn't know

[Anonymous No.20855022]

>>20855011
I know there’s no money in it.
I may make the next general specifically for lit rpg just because I see so many of you poor bastards falling for this.

[Anonymous No.20855033]

>>20854995
This better not be smut

[Anonymous No.20855056]

>>20855033
It's not smut. It's a coming of age story, there are lots of feels later. Despite it having pretty basic storytelling, out of all the stories I've read by /wg/, Emily is easily one of my favorite characters as far as how invested I got in her. Besides her its Sam in Eggplant and Saundra in Egregore.

[Anonymous No.20855059]

This place is just a giant barrel full of crabs. I’ll say this once more, most of the advice here is wrong either on purpose or out of pure ignorance. Please god get the fuck out of here if you’re serious about writing

See the morono insisting you waste money on 4chan ads. I’ve run 4 ad campaigns here, I’ve talked to three other guys who have advertised on 4chan, and the results are uniform. It is not worth the money, at all. If the ads are decent you’ll drive clicks, but the clicks essentially never translate to sales, this is across genres and formats. There’s just no market on 4Chan for self published fiction. This may come as a surprise, but most of Gardner’s sales have nothing to do with 4chan and everything to do with him catching on In Kindle Select briefly in 2020.

If you want serious advice or critique from motherfuckers who know anything and kind of care about your success, you may find a discord group or two that’s worthwhile. This general is not. It’s really fucked up, guys. Like this shit is demonic. Pure wickedness

[Anonymous No.20855073]

>>20855059
>See the morono insisting you waste money on 4chan ads.
Stopped reading right there. I never said that and even dunk on Gardner for being a retard and buying 4chan ads.
Don’t listen to this queermaxing smut writer. He’s actually trying to mislead you by putting up paper targets.

[Anonymous No.20855074]

>>20854946
Lol I live here. But the second half of your comment is heard

[Anonymous No.20855084]

>>20855073
You’ll go to hell for genuinely trying to ruin peoples lives. Enjoy eternal torment and separation from the lord all because you wanted to troll.

[Anonymous No.20855088]

>>20855084
Oh yeah I’ll go to hell for telling anons to run amazon and facebook ads to help increase book sales and value their time.
Shut the fuck up queer.

[Anonymous No.20855108]

Anyone ever got an editor to review your work? I'm doing a serialized fiction, 12 chapters of 1,5k words each, but some occasional fragments look lazy and wasting a lot of time to fix them is giving me diminishing returns progress-wise. I checked Fiverr but the fuckers there offer "basic plan" for mere text correction being 5000 words = 50 usd. I say fuck that, but if any anon knows a good editor do tell me

[Anonymous No.20855113]

>>20855056
I can see the prose being basic, but so far I think it works. It flows well, and the delivery works for the contemporary setting.

I'll keep reading.

[Anonymous No.20855119]

>>20855011
DON'T share the information. The less they know, the more time we have to profit

[Anonymous No.20855120]

>>20855108
There's an anon here that is really good at editing. Dylan Devine or something. He hleped edit my first chapter, but I can't find his contact information anymore.

[Anonymous No.20855125]

>>20855011
DON'T share the information. The less they know, the more time we have to profit

[Anonymous No.20855126]

>>20855088
Many sodomites falsely believe that he’ll will be a pleasant time for them because Satan famously loves anal penetration. However, it should be mentioned that the Devil shapes your experience down there based on your personal sources of fear. So laugh it up while you’re up top, thinking that the hot place is all sick twists and hot cherry pokers in your cavernous asshole, but once you’ve died via gunshot wound (I have murdered you), you’ll be unpleasantly surprised to find an eternity of monogamous bliss with a beautiful woman awaiting you. Homo

[Anonymous No.20855148]

>>20855126
Nice wall, didn’t read.
Accept reality and advertise your book queer.

[Anonymous No.20855151]

>>20855120
>He hleped edit
Looks like you needed the hlep

[Anonymous No.20855156]

>>20855120
Well I suppose I'll just lurk and see if he appears. I'm a third worlder so albeit I can afford some services, Fiverrfags would pretty much bleed me out

[Anonymous No.20855161]

>>20854885
https://allpoetry.com/story/15991938-Water-Jugs-choice-by-JHK3-adult

[Anonymous No.20855172]

>>20855108
I can edit your book. My previous clients have been very successful, perhaps too successful. Reply with your email address: I'll send my writing samples and a sexy picture of me in a suit.

[Anonymous No.20855173]

Newest thread, removed a lot of the slop.
>>20855167

[Anonymous No.20855189]

>>20855173
neck yourself niggerfaggot thread isn't even halfway to autosage

[Anonymous No.20855196]

>>20855108
>correction being 5000 words = 50 usd
The going rate for some editors, the ones with big portfolios, can exceed $2000 just to copyedit an 80k word novel. That does not include proofreading.

[Anonymous No.20855376]

>>20853693
So what was this, then? >>20740107
Or, if it expired: >>/lit/thread/S20740107

[Anonymous No.20855393]

>>20854498
No one reads ads.
Anyone with half a brain uses ad-blocking software in their browser.

[Anonymous No.20855611]

>>20854943
Zen

[Anonymous No.20855652]

>>20855393
I actually like the shitpost-y ads on 4chan and I even have to turn it off when going to /adv/ because they still haven't fucking fixed that board.

[Anonymous No.20856108]

"Global" is a trochee, right? I hope so, or I'm fucked

[Anonymous No.20856515]

Steampunkish Wild West or 0 AD Fantasy setting? Which one has more appeal?