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The real redpill comes when you realize that New Atheism 2.0 is pantheism and this is what the world needs. This is what we need:
A pneumatic theory, one which propels Humanity forward, while at the same time being so destructive to Them that they will be unable to EITHER discredit it and/OR appropriate it.

Because it is undiscreditable (it is *almost* 100% pro-capitalist/pro-Judaistic) AND un-appropriable (because appropriation of this worldview would cause Them to die), New Atheism has reached perfection with me and became a truly radical and dangerous (to Them) idea again.

In a nutshell:
Fight Christianity
Fight Islam
Fight Judaism
Respect Eastern religions, but reject them

Which of the 4 points causes Them to die? It's unstoppable( too. Religiosity is so untrendy now! Right?

>> No.20839079

thanks for posting under a trip, so i can filter your faggy posts

>> No.20839123

>>20839079
>he thinks i will continue posting under a trip for eternity
lmao. this is just for primacy-stamping

>> No.20839129

>>20839072
What a joke

>> No.20839142

>>20839129
i guess you found one of the 4 points iffy :(

>> No.20839158

>>20839072
What if you're atheist but also hate trannies jews and niggers

>> No.20839176

>>20839158
no one is truly atheist. the only actual atheists are people who can point a gun at their head and pull the trigger

but i'm not saying anything new here

>> No.20839189

>>20839176
If no one is actually atheist why bother trying to fix atheism at all

>> No.20839224

All the new atheists of late 00's early 2010's became right wing israel-lobby neoconservatives after gamergate who act like the people that made them atheist in the first place

>> No.20839274

>>20839072
>Respect Eastern religions, but reject them
This invalidates whatever you were going for

>> No.20839327

>>20839176
So you just disproved your gay larp because youd be dead if you actually were going to be a "true atheist".

>> No.20839349

>>20839072
ive been writing on this as well
im a midwit so i havent gotten too far however,

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YZ2VhS-8wIiKG-PXkprBpPnGv1J7fRRr/
is my outline fo ra guide to life to replace religions

outdated doctrines needing to be updated by scientific rigour

watch out for me or join me or ocmpete with me. the point is the push this agenda

thnaks op

>> No.20839379

>>20839349
Too autistic. Too logical. Too preachy. Too dry. Etc etc...

>> No.20839400

>>20839379
it's just a skeleton draft
im not very good at writing so im planning on literaly oging over all the basics and intermediaries of english until i can write a good essay

but you're also saying too dry. you think i should be like those new age self hlep books talking to you in the second person? i wanted this as something extremely in depth for life

>> No.20839407

>>20839379
but ty

>> No.20839411

>>20839327
You can't read:
>The real redpill comes when you realize that New Atheism 2.0 is pantheism and this is what the world needs
and im not larping. larping is when you take ideas that arent your own and pretend like they are your authentic identity

>> No.20839414

>>20839072
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHSHAH *wheezes* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You literally are a ram dass tweet.

>> No.20839415

>>20839400
>not good at writing
>not intelligent
>replace religion
Friend... I...

>> No.20839420

>>20839415
I CAN TRY CANT I

JESUS WAS PROBABLY A MIDWIT
who the fuck gets crucified

every muslim is wrong etc.

>> No.20839427

>>20839400
It ideally should have some kind of story in which the protagonist uses the advice to overcome obstacles and it should be epic or dramatic.

>> No.20839433

>>20839427
did you readmy story about losing my dog and going on antipsychotics and becoming enlightened

its gnna be like that

>inb4 you're joking

>> No.20839435

>>20839349
>is my outline fo ra guide to life to replace religions
that's not my goal. my goal is to use religions until the Cataclysm, for the initial redpill and as opium for the masses so that they can be steered until the Cataclysm
and insert Pneumatism only once the Cataclysm comes.

i already have you beat on all counts, from theory to praxis. my manifesto is Godel-complete and is a real workable solution.
it belies the realization that all humans have perennial knowledge inside them (the force of intuition), that this knowledge can be unlocked and guided through the path to the Truth, and that all humans can have it unlocked except the deeply mentally ill

Enlightened (initiated) people I call gnostics, people who are initiated and inactive are psychics, people who are initiated and ACTIVE are pneumatics.
The driving motto of Pneumatics is for pneumatics to go out and meet each other (like-minded people) and ORGANIZE instead of competing/dividing/fighting

so... let's work together.

>> No.20839444

>>20839420
oh no i can see its retarded
well i can still try to recruit you

one disclaimer. this is not a cult. if anything, i am merely asking people to go and start their own cults, concerned with themselves and their own transcendence. it's not a bad view. UG krishnamurti preached the same

>> No.20839448

why would I want some system replaced with another? why would I want any system above me at all? better to be an insurrectionist than a revolutionary

>> No.20839452

>>20839444
appreciate the criticism,

im like 30-40% on board with what oyu're saying but yeah im happy to go along

>> No.20839457

>>20839448
there's no system but the human society. and it will always be organized one way or another.

it's only about choosing the right path.
the path that leads to maximization of individual and societal output, without sacrificing one or the other.

>> No.20839465

>>20839457
> without sacrificing one or the other.
gl and have fun

>> No.20839467

>>20839072
Let me get this straight, you think a 'pantheism' that 'kills' Judaism but is 100% philo-Semitic is going to solve the JQ?

>> No.20839468

>>20839420
>JESUS WAS PROBABLY A MIDWIT
>who the fuck gets crucified
Please don't misuse your soul if it isn't blessed with intelligence in that way. Honor that many other much smarter and more eloquent and more deadly serious men have died for Christ than either of us are of any of those aittributes in isolation or in combination.
>>20839444
The reason you want that is so thay people like anon will try to form their own religion(s) and then the coterie of mediocre satanics, whom you surround yourself with and enable, can laugh at his failure and any other less sophiticate articulation of your pedantic, useless, and low-ranking satanic scribles. Post again and I won't hold back.

>> No.20839473

>>20839457
you stole my fucking idea.

did you just read my intro or something what are you doing. no where do you say that in your original post and you're clarifying with things that make sense now

>sorry sorry
>working together

>> No.20839477

>>20839465
i wish you way more than luck, and i am not sure you will have fun

the Cataclysm is the global demographic transition that is looming upon us. the time when even India and Africa stop procreating.

the global reproduction rate is already barely over 2.1.
it will go below 2.1 by 2050. If not earlier, because after all, the birth rate decline isn't linear. It's accelerating. As the Capital's grip upon the world accelerates...

>> No.20839479

>>20839468
im one of the smartest and deadliest men to ever stalk the earth.
and as you can see from my conciseness of point, my eloquence is only surpassed by the technically flourished

im giving it my all for this thing. im trying to change the world, or at least give a series advantage to those who will digest my work

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This is just so boring dude.
It's not even motivational speaker tier.
I remember one motivational speaker on YouTube.
He just talked about becoming a disc jokey. But it was a fun story you know.
This one right here
https://youtu.be/pyHMRwrS1pc

>> No.20839489

>>20839473
Proceed with the Pneumatic Theory:
>>/lit/thread/S20808452

>> No.20839492

>>20839072
Atheism is gay

>> No.20839494

>>20839487
>This is just so boring dude.
>It's not even motivational speaker tier.
This is /lit/. I'm not coming here to inspirationally proselytize but to have a substantive discussion and polish up the theory

>> No.20839496

>>20839072
Meds NOW

>> No.20839500

>>20839479
You are hob-nobbed miscingeniation of disfigurement of the soul residing in nothing but one's own abandonment of the transcendent gifts of time for the floundering of fools in their own circularity dubbed in filth and fecal digestions from your useless drudgery of sin made manifest in weak manifesto. You are not serious. Even if you were to die for your cause you'd be dying for your own soul in revoking it as a gift and misunderstanding it as a theft. You do not even misunderstand your misunderstanding but lack the unit of self-compassion to realize your own gripings are recycled theologies of recycled demons of recycled idols of recycled recycling of uniformity in the manifestation of individuality, arbitrary uniqueness, and the satanically inspired auspices of creativity which is just your poorly worded abortion for love. Repent.

>> No.20839502

>>20839496
which point of the 4 struck you the hardest?

>> No.20839504

>>20839176
I mean I said a similar thing last month

>> No.20839512

>>20839502
>googles pneumatic
>gnosticism

Trash goes it into the

>> No.20839513

>>20839500
Christianity is the easiest religion to criticize after Islam. Just drop the LARP already, please.

I mean, we're serious adults here, right?

>> No.20839523

>>20839512
it's not gnosticism

pneumaticism takes after gnosticism but it is a rejection of all irrationality, including the one contained in gnosticism

pneumaticism is the ultimate form of gnosis.
or as it's classically termed: Absolute Knowledge

>> No.20839525

>>20839477
>the time when even India and Africa stop procreating.
oh god the horror, please stop tell me no more

>> No.20839542

>>20839513
A new age religion ought to have a dash of logic like dinner ought to have a dash of salt my friend.
What matters is the emotion. The brotherhood. The mission that and the feeling that were all in it together and such. Also don't tell people to come live with you or they'll be wary that you're an unironic cult.

>> No.20839552

>>20839525
>oh god the horror
it really will be lol. imagine Present Day hehehh Present TIme ahahahaha but x10000:
>diversity
>gender bullshit
>economic stagnation/recession
>social crisis
on top of
>total technological and scientific stagnation
the Cataclysm will bring upon the Earth the New Dark Age

>> No.20839560

>>20839542
it's not a religion. there will be no guru, no institution, just an abstract and generalized philosophical system that you can consider convincing or not. up to you

>> No.20839562

>>20839513
The very usage of the name LARP indicates your own concession to the verbiage of genuineness and authenticity while you deny the very fount in which it resides. Your prose is an abomination and the syntax you write with is nothing to write about if to even mention in even the passing of a half sigh. I am not upset by your posts at all but merely using them as something on which to rest the Lord's feet and wash them because of your own false-theft. Your larp is you pretend that you can steal from God. Your larp is the name you don every morning, day, and night which was given to you at birth. Your larp is a revolution which is merely the mantra-fication of the masturbatorily and self-reverentially mumbled "I." The only thing you have discovered is that you are young and you believe your own naïvety as an alternative to believing your own youth. Repent.

>> No.20839570

>>20839072
Wait I thought you were some kind of solipsistic monadist...? Or is this one of the tripfags who stole it from you?
How the fuck are you an atheist too?

>> No.20839579

>>20839552
>increased identity politics/social crisis
>technological stagnation
seems paradoxical

>> No.20839581

>>20839562
>Your prose is an abomination and the syntax you write with is nothing to write about
im ESL. im not experienced with english language literature except in matters of philosophy, economics and other non-fiction. only relatively recently have i progressed from my monolingualism in fiction and started reading actual fiction in English. reading prose in English definitely requires more effort than reading in my language but with each new book the effort required lessens

also, there's prose, and there's purple prose. guess which one is you. im not gonna read the rest of your dribble until you cut down the bullshit

>> No.20839586

>>20839579
you dont get it at all... do you.
DEMOGRAPHICS IS EVERYTHING

>> No.20839587

>>20839581
https://translate.google.com/

>> No.20839591

I think that atheism is destined to become like the Bene Gesserit from dune.

What I mean is that instead of believing in some made up god we’ll have a belief system centred around the infinite potential of a human that can be reached through self control. That’s basically the only way for I see for us not to just degenerate ourselves into extinction while not having religion holding us back.

>> No.20839592

>>20839587
your holy scripture is a google-translation of the original

just saying

>> No.20839596

>>20839591
>>20839570
I was atheist, I'm pantheist. Learn to read:
>The real redpill comes when you realize that New Atheism 2.0 is pantheism and this is what the world needs.
Even Dawkins himself, being the staunchest atheist ever you'd think, said that pantheism is "sexed up atheism" and so he's not even against the idea

>> No.20839603

>>20839586
elaborate on that for us

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>>20839596
Quick question, is your general theory of everything going to drastically change with every new author and book you discover? Because that's not a good sign ...

>> No.20839624

if you incorporate the latest research in evolutionary psychology of religion it could have potential

>> No.20839629

>>20839607
It's not drastically changing at all, the core idea is still the same as when I first became enlightened.

You don't understand how enlightenment feels. I was like this too until I took LSD and combined it with ketamine. Before you laugh at me, what I've been trying to do the whole thing since, was explain in philosophical terms the specific feeling I experienced while feeling at one with everything. It was like a eureka moment and it all precipitated from there onward.

It's not dumb hippie new ageism. It's not irrational. It is rational and Praxis-oriented
Even my embarrassing ideas about the world which I posted here on /lit/ years back retain a kernel of Truth, as I recently re-read them on warosu

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>/lit/ - Namefagging Political Theorists

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>>20839629
>I was like this too until I took LSD and combined it with ketamine. Before you laugh
Nonononono. Nope my laughing at you takes precedence here.
MWAHAAAAAAAHAAAAHAAHAHA YOU FUCKING RETARD AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHBlarghwarblegwar

>> No.20839652

>>20839629
i read your previous thread
don't relaly get it again, it's just a bunch of frameworks you dont relaly elaborate on

im not familiar with the necessary concepts from those philosophers to build the perspective you're trying to convey

>> No.20839655

>>20839629
>Praxis-oriented
i knew this was some undercover communist bullshit. nice try freak, christ for life.

>> No.20839661

>>20839634
well im not namefagging like butterfly but in the rare instance that is the original purpose of tripcodes: to protect identity and prohibit impersonation.

by establishing a tripcode before anyone thought about doing it, i established primacy as starting with me and the specific passwords I use. the question of authenticity and authorship is secured for ages. when i think, it's always for ages, man.
>>20839603
i will go back to this in the following post. i believe in Pneumatic action: the combination of Brevity (efficiency), Action (effectiveness) and Truth (the Monad). hence why I will simply repeat what I already said here some time ago

>> No.20839665

>>20839629
>i took drugs and now im "enlightened"
>not dumb hippie new ageism
you're an insult to the already cratered intelligence of this board

>> No.20839669

>>20839661
stupid tripfag

>> No.20839670

>>20839603
so to elaborate:
The ultimate redpill.

The tldr is:
>a culture is a mode of thinking that is not limited to collectivists or individualists, religious people or atheists, leftists or right-wingers, but which instead permeates all members of a given society
>in a globalized world, all humans are members of one culture: the capitalist, spiritually American-led culture that is informed by the earlier Judeo-Christian culture
>an anti-culture is a culture that is auto-destructive
>the modern culture of all human beings is an anti-culture, which I logically deduce in the course of the book to be the unnamed "culture" of the abstract Capital
>the existential imperative of a liberated, strong individual in the 21st century is to fight anti-culture
>the right is Truer in certain aspects than the left, the left is Truer in certain aspects than the right, hence History and "culture wars" (see: Hegel)
>the left is right in trying to change the hierarchy, the right is wrong in blaming solely either the Jews or "the Left" for all ills of society
>the enemy is the Capital, and it centers on U.S. government
>U.S. government isn't the enemy, only the Capital is
i could go on, but I don't have much time
>if you question that the modern global culture, which is simply the culture (or the cult) of the Capital, is an auto-destructive anti-culture, just look at the reproduction rate of all of Humanity by 2050. it's below 2.1. slow extinction. if you think automation will save us, don't. if we don't do something about the reproduction crisis, we will run out of enough young people to forward technological progress, which already is a task so difficult it requires the shared consciousness of millions of young innovators. we will simply run out of enough innovators to forward technological progress and capitalism in its "creative destruction" will run itself into a corner by uncreatively destroying Humanity. but overall I'm not pessimistic like Mark Fisher: Life always finds a way
The book will elaborate what way it is. The only question that remains unsolved by the book is whether we will find that way before or after the Cataclysm occurs. The goal of the book is to wake up Humanity to reproduce before the onset of the Cataclysm, though it may already be too well and in that case I can only pity myself for not being born earlier (I am a precocious 20 year old hyper-intellectual zoomer and the future voice of the generation, which I refuse to call "Generation Z" as that's a term created by the necessarily limiting forces of the Capital)

for more, check out "WTF happened in 1971," COINTELPRO, Baudrillard, and watch the Matrix again, especially the ending:
https://youtu.be/aTL4qIIxg8A

the film the Matrix is essentially the Capital becoming self-conscious and begging ITSELF to let ITSELF *out*. total schizophrenia if you think about it (D&G already thought about it)

>> No.20839673

>>20839661
>the question of authenticity and authorship is secured for ages
yes everyone will always know the respiratory disease namefag is a retarded pseud one paycheck short of being a crackwhore

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OP is probably 16 years old and thinks he's a genius that will revolutionize religious thought after reading a few Wikipedia articles and 4chan screencaps. Or he's in his 20s and suffers from chronic midwittery and unironically believes that drugs can make someone more intelligent, but rarely, if ever, reads books.
11 herbs and spices.

>> No.20839676

>>20839665
i was intelligent before drugs, obviously. im neither worshipping nor disdaining drugs. im merely stating that all Experience is valuable.

intelligence without wisdom isn't intellect
wisdom without experience (whether internal or external) isn't wisdom

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>i was intelligent before drugs, obviously.
peak midwit

>> No.20839684

>>20839670
>wake up Humanity to reproduce before the onset of the Cataclysm
oh yeah, more overpopulation that needs even more delicate management and automation to feed will avoid a technocratic/capitalistic hellscape absolutely

>> No.20839687

>>20839674
Im 20, when I was 17 I posted bullshit like this:
>>/lit/thread/S15288934
this was before the drugs, mind you

>> No.20839690

>>20839676
>was intelligent before drugs
Not anymore since you just spit out DALLE-esque chinese room tier kaleidoscopic regurgitations of different philosophers' wikipedia pages

>> No.20839696

>>20839687
You just proved anon's point, lmao

>> No.20839698

>>20839687
at least people fucking respond to you

>> No.20839699

>>20839684
overpopulation is when you go way above 2.1.
i'm merely stating we should go back to 2.1. at least keep to it.

that is generational REPLACEMENT. not overpopulation

>> No.20839701

>>20839687
I knew this thread smelled like someone needed his diaper changed

>> No.20839704

>>20839699
because we're doing so so well with the current numbers

>> No.20839706

>>20839696
i proved anon's point by saying that I was this 16 year old when I was actually 16 but am not anymore since I'm 20 and thought about all this stuff deeper? fuck off
>>20839690
>since you just spit out DALLE-esque chinese room tier kaleidoscopic regurgitations of different philosophers' wikipedia pages
i appreciate your summary but what can i say

it's just the lexical gap, amirite

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Why is it always ESL teenagers/young adults who post the most midwit pseud takes and act like they have life all figured out? Dunning-Kruger, maybe. If you haven't realized how retarded you actually are compared to accomplished geniuses in their adult years by the time you are 21 you will become an insufferable failure. Everyone needs to be greatly humbled at least once in their teenage years.

>> No.20839725

If anyone thinks I just mash other people's ideas instead of actually creating my own system should look into the first Pneumatic General because the system is fully developed in there

Pneumatology (pneumatic phenomenology) provides an objective system for categorization of humanity:

SPIRITUAL (basic)
1. hylics
2. gnostics (psychics and pneumatics)

PSYCHOLOGICAL (most important to least, of the most basic and important human composites)
hylic
1. Intellect (weak-strong composite of 3 different axes of intelligence, imagination, wisdom)
2. Mental strength (weak, strong)
3. Sense of Self (weak, strong)
4. Morality (good/evil)
5. Physical imperative (weak/strong: breeding)

Gnostics
1. Metaphysical imperative (weak/strong: breeding)
2. Positive underlying hylic (animal) psychology
3. Gnosis (spiritual Intellect)
4. Sense of Collective (spiritual Self)
5. Pneumatic activity (transformation of material reality)

Hylics are animals, Homo sapiens, who are capable of abstract thought
Gnostics are humans, Homo sapiens, who are capable of abstract thought

Pneumatic activity (transformation of material reality) is metaphysically carried out by the following actors:
*The Monad is Active
*The Demiurge is Active
*Gnostics can be active (they're called pneumatics, then)—because they're the active, perfecting blocks of the Monad itself
*Hylics cannot be active—they're slaves of the Demiurge

if you had not the cardinal hylic sin of Pride, you really could be a psychic or even a pneumatic, you have the chops for that. but ultimately, you are a hylic.
as paragraph 3 of the Pneumatic creed teaches us:
>3. All more or less mentally healthy hylics can become psychics/pneumatics. Only deeply mentally ill hylics are doomed to remain hylics.
all hylics except the deeply mentally ill ones have perennial knowledge inside of them that can be unlocked

>> No.20839729

>>20839706
only gap here is the dunning krueger effect... add that to your dataset the next time you run phil101_gibberish.bat

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>>20839725
Here's the kicker: the Demiurge combines with the concept of the Capital I laid out a while earlier.

From the first Pneumatic General:
>The magnum opus of this thread, the real deal: a precise definition of the Capital (can be otherwise called the Demiurge, though gnosticism as a whole is stupid) and a precise diagnosis of all the ills of modern global society.

The Capital is an unthinking, impersonal and abstract hyper-entity that is the resultant of the globalized economic calculation of hitherto capitalism (but not of Capitalism as a basic system).

The Capital has only 2 basic principles:
>1. revenue maximization
>2. profit maximization

The Capital utilizes 4 active measures to satiate these 2 principles. They are described here:
>>20817541

the Capital's only flaw, since ultimately it's an unthinking system, is that under the Capital's system, people do not want to procreate and so this is its limitation: the Capital is ultimately self-concerned and in its self-concern it is anti-environment and anti-human. anti-everything.
anti-culture.
and automation will not come to save the Capital in time:
>>20817878
the Cataclysm is encroaching and by its nature, as it besets upon Humanity, technological progress starts slowing down. this, in economics, is called productivity paradox:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Productivity_paradox
We're in the Second Productivity Paradox, but I would just call it THE productivity paradox, or simply, the Cataclysm. The cause of which escapes economists because they cannot go beyond their jewish/post-jewish (i.e. christian) programming (unlike Marx, who was ultimately quite wrong, but one cannot say he didn't escape his Jewish programming). That cause is demographic in nature.

And so this kind of "perfect" storm awaits us. It will not be perfect for us as individual humans, tho.

>> No.20839747

>>20839725
>If anyone thinks I just mash other people's ideas instead of actually creating my own system
wow look at you you used gnostic vocabulary to argue for... eugenics. next time you run the AI can you give me kantian vocabulary and queer theory? would be pretty funny

>> No.20839751

>>20839725
>>20839738
In this system, such as it is described, the Monad, being holistic, represents the Truth as it represents the entire nature of Existence.

In this monistic system, Truth, Existence and Good are one. It is a reformulation of Plato, who was a panentheist and believed in a form of Good that is supra-natural.

I reformulate Plato and I reformulate Kant:
noumena don't actually exist (as "actual entities" in the classical sense). Only phenomena do.

Too many redpills, too many posts. This is the problem when people ask me to explain the system. How do I explain such a monumental thing without losing their attention?

>> No.20839758

>>20839670
>destroy globalism before it destroys itself so that you can continue globalism
>this is what every individualist should fight for
genius

>> No.20839759

>>20839723
part of the college experience is being humbled. it's easy to be the smartest guy in the room when the room is your mom's basement. harder in a university lecture hall filled with bright competitive students.

>> No.20839767

marxists are such goofballs. hopefully this dude outgrows it, but these days some kids get stuck like this as adults.

>> No.20839783

>>20839767
im not a marxist. i grew up respecting libertarianism and the New Atheism movement.
although I do respect Marx now.
but at best, i'm merely a post-marxist. im as much of a marxist as nick land is.

but im not a rightoid retard like him
>>20839759
i know it should work like this but it's actually college experience that aided my enlightenment

>> No.20839786

Atheism is not a positivist position. Forming a community around a negative position, or around negation, is idiotic.

>> No.20839795

Militant moral nihilism will get you more mileage and short circuit existing depravities, "Kick what's falling." ~ the Nietzschean only way out is through imperative. That, and textual criticism has solidly placed Islam as non-Trinitarian eastern christian heretics with the reliability of Joseph Smith and all the baggage of 'tradition of the elders' Talmudery in the Hadith & its sharia implementation. Don't throw out the Neo-Plantonic & Hellenic Christianity out with the bathwater lightly -- there's not much substrate for original euro-pagan ethos without it at this point [of departure].

>> No.20839796

>>20839751
why are you being so pretentious about AI curation? if you're just going to sample Plato and Kant—doubt you've read Kant, to be charitable I can assume some Plato—and return some vague platitudes that's nothing a chatbot couldn't handle. you aren't literate enough to say anything interesting about philosophy at 20, but if you're interested you've got a lifetime of reading ahead

>> No.20839818

>>20839796
>mfw i just realized plato and platitude have the same root

>> No.20839824

>>20839786

One could probably concoct some cute thought experiment to the contrary, but I maintain that founding a community on truth-which is exactly what you are describing-is a good first step for that community. Other intelligent examples of community formed around negation include conservatives, generally.

>> No.20839836

>>20839824
the closest thing we have to a community based on "truth" is academic science. i'm sure you'll tell me all the problems with it. great. how would this be any different?

>> No.20839839

>>20839795
Starting a religion based on stuff other than God is permissible. Cause well then it's only a club where people hang out and you might get tax deductions or whatever. You know like masons. However if you start a religion based on God and just lying about it. Well that's satanism. I think.

>> No.20839845

>>20839839
>you might get tax deductions or whatever
this is pretty ancient an idea actually... Pyrrho managed to get himself exempt from taxation for being a philosopher

>> No.20839857

>>20839072
*points and laughs at OP’s faggotry*
*points and laughs some more*

>> No.20839864

>>20839796
you have a lifetime of reading ahead.
i have a lifetime of reading AND action ahead.

you think you're telling me anything new? bitch please
>but you're 20
in the past, people at this age were already Men. infantilization is one of the 4 active measures of the Capital

The Capital utilizes 4 active measures, 2 of which are there to defuse, and 2 of which are there to construct

DEFUSIVE
1. Discreditation ("'the Capital' is an antisemitic dogwhistle!")
2. Appropriation (the philosophical chimera that is the modern sophism i.e. the irrational anti-philosophy/secular religion of the Capital)
CONSTRUCTIVE
1. Infantilization: Kierkegaardian leveling as a method of profit maximization. Hence the appeals to the feminine, the minor, and in general: the formerly-disenfranchised (because it is upon these that the Capital can truly efficiently construct, as their actual identity is non-existent post-emancipation as their previous pre-emancipatory identities got deconstructed and replaced by nothing in particular, this void has been exploited by the Capital which since then has sought to foster all kinds of dualisms and pluralisms [atomisms])
2. Pseudo-individualization: hedonism and "egoism"

and of course I didnt read CoPR, I'm not a fucking robocop, I'm not an AI that can absorb everything before the age of 20. I read what I could in full, and what I couldn't I read secondary writing in the form of books and the online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. I started with neechie a few years back and ended up reading most of Plato, Plotinus, St Augustine, Marx, Ellul, Guy Debord, Kolakowski, Ted Kaczynski, i could go on but listing names like this serves no purpose and it's not like i'm gonna wow you with anything, and that's not even MY purpose

>> No.20839874

>>20839864
>and of course I didnt read CoPR, I'm not a fucking robocop, I'm not an AI that can absorb everything before the age of 20. I read what I could in full, and what I couldn't I read secondary writing in the form of books and the online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. I started with neechie a few years back and ended up reading most of Plato, Plotinus, St Augustine, Marx, Ellul, Guy Debord, Kolakowski, Ted Kaczynski, i could go on but listing names like this serves no purpose and it's not like i'm gonna wow you with anything, and that's not even MY purpose
fun fact: Heidegger didn't even read Hegel until late in his career. he ended up being surprised by how much he agrees with Hegel

and from Hegel it's not a long ways to Plato... oh Heidegger you epic fool!

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>>20839864
>antisemitic
> Jew complains about antisemitism

>> No.20839883

>>20839845
>>20839839
blessed posts. you guys are in the know
>>20839876
im not sure what your point is

>> No.20839889

>>20839072
There again with the atheism religion. I dislike western atheism because it makes relativization of everything western man has been exposed to other than the individual. "Propel humanity forward" is a codeword for self-indulgement and is the zenith and hubris of western man.

Buddhism is pretty atheist, citing itself as non-theistic, but the transcendental aspect of it is a release from everything in the form of moksha or nirvana. The ultimate, transcendental value in the West is the individual, something nobody brings into question. Therefore it's not a lack of religion, it's a lack of devotion for anything other than oneself. It's no less of a zeal than a muslim flagellating himself in the name of Allah, except everyone is their personal God.

I hate this because it ignores other features and the limit of oneself. What you're pushing for is utter destruction

>> No.20839898

>>20839836

The other post (yours?) was referring not to truth-as-such, but affirmative versus negative expressions of truth, value systems, worldviews etc. Affirmative statements are of the form "We the people believe X", "We demand Q", and so forth. Negative statements are typified by "We know that we do not want X", "In our country, the government does not (or should not, based on the involved document) have legal power to censor speech", etc. In some cases you can play word games and construct roughly equivalent statements having alternately "positive" and "negative" syntax, but in some given rhetoric either the positive or negative character can usually be argued to predominate. For more on this, look up Maimonides' attempts to describe god through negative attributes as opposed to positive ones.

Interestingly, the earlier poster actually described atheism correctly when he referred to it as a negative stance and not a positive one. A common canard in internet retard fights between christians and atheists is for the christian to insist that atheism is a positive belief, thus laying the ground to do whatever other rhetorical tricks he likes.

>> No.20839914

>>20839072
>Just be a pantheist, bro.
Every retarded freemason for the last three centuries has said the sane thing, and they all end up running cover for the jews.

>> No.20839916

>>20839864
>Infantilization: Kierkegaardian leveling as a method of profit maximization
this is the DALLE shit I am talking about... for what purpose are you being so obscurantist about your libidinal and/or shortcomings? If you hate that mom and dad sent you to college, learn to be a plumber or an electrician, that will really stick it in their craw

>> No.20839927

>>20839889
>I dislike western atheism because it makes relativization of everything western man has been exposed to other than the individual. "Propel humanity forward" is a codeword for self-indulgement and is the zenith and hubris of western man.
you're a fool if you think you aren't spiritually western in the globalized world.
read this to get redpilled:
>>20839670

to quote what another /lit/ anon said another time:
>The standard position right now is that the West is in decline and America is losing its global hegemony, which will result in Liberalism being replaced around the world with alternative systems. I believe this is an incorrect analysis. The West is decadent largely because it is governed by an exhausted, entitled, corrupt class of people who have led the globe ever since the end of World War 2. They will die soon and will be replaced by the younger generations who were born and raised in the globalized era. And around the world, young people have been completely liberalized by progressive psyops and the Internet. They are emphatically supportive of all the major tenets of Liberalism like universal human rights, equality, individual liberty, freedom, and democracy. People counter that progressive ideology breaks away from Liberalism because of the prevalence of identity politics but forget that these identities are completely rooted in an individualist ontology. All of these identities are nothing but abstract labels, sexualities, gender identities, pronouns and cultural performances that don't form any coherent structure. And even the massive resurgence of leftism we see is mostly confined to impotent activist movements that are used to reinforce liberal institutions anyways (Bernie is still a Democrat, no?) There are definitely a lot of setbacks today but Fukuyama is ultimately correct that liberal democracy will triumph in the long-term. No one can seriously anticipate that we’re gonna have another world war anytime soon or that young people will suddenly stop believing in (((liberal))) values.

>Love to see leftoids now openly admitting that progress & human rights is sustained entirely by an American imperial order, and not only that, but also that they are full-throated supporters of every power elite institution in the US.

Heads up, we are going to make "capitalist" an anti-semitic dogwhistle just so we can laugh at the full extent of your mindfucking. All of you are going to turn into octogenarian Chomskys overnight as whatever was vigorous and iconoclastic in you withers away into half-hearted endorsements of either the WEF, or CCP narratives

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>>20839914
>Every retarded freemason for the last three centuries has said the sane thing
yes!
>and they all end up running cover for the jews.
that's where I step in

>> No.20839988

and that's what happens, the moment i explain the system, the mystique goes like poof and the thread dies

how to cope?

>> No.20840078

>>20839725
>>3. All more or less mentally healthy hylics can become psychics/pneumatics.
What the hell, this doesn't even make sense if you're talking about Gnosticism by itself. If you're going to make up random stuff, make up your own words too.

>> No.20840117

>new schizo tripfag starts a thread
>ctrl + f his pet phrase " the Capital "
>12 results

lol

>> No.20840198

>>20840078
>If you're going to make up random stuff, make up your own words too.
it's not random and your argument doesn't track. i could say the Demiurge but...:
>>20840117
it's the Enemy. what more can I say? I consider focusing on enemies other than the Capital as a counter-productive obfuscation that in fact only ends up serving the Capital.

>> No.20840353

Why is this guy allowed to shit up the boards with his constant spamming? This is a board for discussing literature, not a place for you to shill your retarded derivative """philosophy"""

>> No.20840400

>>20839552
Once prosperity stops and people are forced to actually work for a living (not wageslave but actually farm/hunt/kill other people) all of the libtard bullshit stops. It only exists because of decadence, its already fading away because the good times are going.

>> No.20840463

Reminder that OP is 20 years old and Polish by his own admission.

>> No.20840472

>>20840400
>Once prosperity stops
false assumption.

green energy (including nuclear)
breeding
innovation
unimposed authenticity
=
infinite prosperity

that's the gist

>> No.20840530

>>20840400
I don't know about that I mean people a lot of people aren't exactly going through decadence dude. I don't think.
I don't think you're not going to change the culture via voting and you're not going to change it by force.
The United States was founded by a bunch of pilgrims that wanted to modify religion all kinds of ways and they got kicked out because the British didn't tolerate it. And well so freedom of religion came to be. Technically.

>> No.20840562

>>20840463

If true, that just makes his anti-capitalism that much more inexcusable. He should know better.

>> No.20840586

>>20840562
I'm not anti-capitalist. I advocate for a sui generis moral reform of capitalism. I advocate for a secular vision that truly fulfills people.

>> No.20840607

>>20839725
This is just midwittery
>*The Monad is Active
>*The Demiurge is Active
You're appropriating metaphysical terms in idiosyncratic way, in such a way that everything you are writing about becomes meaningless obscurantism.
>sense of self
I doubt you could distinguish self from ego. Or in otherwords discriminate between self and not-self.

>> No.20840610

>>20839751
The monad which represents some-thing is not the monad, you need meds.

>> No.20840618

>>20840353
This namefag should be put on filter,
>derivative philosophy
Its just the work of an overactive imagination, i wouldnt even credit anything the pneumatic writes as having association with genuine philosophical conceptions.

>> No.20840780

>>20840607
>You're appropriating metaphysical terms in idiosyncratic way
Welcome to Philosophy.
>in such a way that everything you are writing about becomes meaningless obscurantism.
Welcome to Philosophy
>I doubt you could distinguish self from ego. Or in otherwords discriminate between self and not-self.
I couldn't care less about your personal doubts relating to me.
>>20840610
The Monad represents the Truth, represents Existence.
A lie is an absence of Truth, i.e. something that doesn't exist in reality (doesn't represent an actual entity, in the classical sense)
It's an Augustean/neoplatonic kind of view. Or in other words, a reformulation of Plato. A step down a notch from Plato's panentheism to just pantheism (big thanks to Spinoza for this, too)

I do conclude that the Demiurge doesn't exist (isn't an actual entity) and that only the Monad exists, but all these realizations require a deeper understanding of the system.
>>20840618
>i wouldnt even credit anything the pneumatic writes as having association with genuine philosophical conceptions.
have you ever, in your entire life, uttered a single novel thought?

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Welcome to the Desert of the Real:

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>> No.20840797

the shortest way I could summarize my redpill:
>all forms of macro-social organization are a form of AI (self-regulating algorithm)
>capitalism is the most perfect such program of all
>late capitalism, of the globalized kind, merges with actual AI (algorithms)
on a global scale, this fosters a global elite which controls the process on a global scale, because otherwise things could get a lil "out of control"

>> No.20840805

>>20839420
>JESUS WAS PROBABLY A MIDWIT
>who the fuck gets crucified

That's actually kind of true

Also, radical atheism could be a cool movement, it just shouldn't be associated with Dawkins, Hitchens, etc. Just say that atheism and anti-theism is for rivisionist pussies and call your own movement misotheism, where you're completely pessimistic towards anything reeking of religions and gods and actively seek to destroy them

Also, it should have a nice fun twist to it, so you should probably be an Nick Land style accelerationist too, where you intentionally promote yourself as the most goofy fundamentalist possible, having the stupidest takes on reality and society humanly possible, justifying everything with religion, while at the same time living by none of its rules and being as hypocritical as humanly possible.

So, be an accelerationist misotheism, and start a televangelist organization that's solely built around money and being as corrupt as possible.

>> No.20840814

>>20839629
>Yet another new age LSD Jesus
Not surprised, just disappointed.
Btw no, drugs don't get you enlightenment, even though you might think so. Btdt

>> No.20840828

>>20840814
>drugs don't get you enlightenment
of course?
>even though you might think so
i don't?
psychedelics (i prefer LSD the most of them all) diminish your ego.
that is all.

i just didn't want to fuck with meditation. my mind is too strong for that shit and i don't have years to waste on mastering the technique when I could just pop the blotter and get into the mood artificially. it's all the same thing in the end: mind, matter, life, energy.

how you transform it is your call

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I didn't reach actual enlightenment that one time on LSD+weed+ketamine+dxm, BUT I do remember it was the first time in my life that i felt that different kind of way.
i dubbed it the 12-10-21 experience/event (in homage to my man PKD) because it had happened on Dec 10th, 2021.
The next time I felt like that was a few months later, a few months ago from today.
it was this moment when I became enlightened. Not that one. It's more difficult to pinpoint this one on a specific date for me though. The eureka moment was singular but it precipitated from months of thought patterns that were started by Vladimir Putin's monumental (from a historiosophic perspective, as monumental as WW1, WW2 and the collapse of the USSR+the Gulf War were) invasion of Ukraine on Feb 24th, 2022.

The singular enlightenment event did indeed follow LSD ingestion, but was on the comedown, when I was pretty much all sobered up. It was some 10 hours after ingestion, past midnight.

The best way I could describe this sensation in a scientific way is metanoia, or the eureka effect.
And I came to the conclusion that:
>hallucinogens'/emphatogens' IMPOSE the feeling of oneness with everything through ego dissolution, which is achieved through the lessening of the Default Mode Network
>that feeling of oneness cascades through everything
>this elicits the eureka effect
>this is extremely euphoric, and is boosted by the substance's other, purely eupho-generating function
so basically, LSD = eureka simulator

when the trip is good, the physical sensation, the immense euphoria, it is comparable to what I felt sober when achieving metanoia

>> No.20840911

This is the most stupid shit I've ever read. Neck yourself.

>> No.20840918 [DELETED] 

>>20840911
The distance between an insane fool and a sane genius is actually very thin. I think you're confusing one for the other

>> No.20840920

>>20840911
The line between an insane fool and a sane genius is actually very thin. I think you're confusing one for the other

>> No.20840927

>>20840920
Seriously?
Glad you enjoyed your drugs though op
Well not really

>> No.20840928

>>20839072
>>20839123
>>20839142
>>20839176
>>20839411
>>20839435
>>20839444
>>20839457
>>20839477
>>20839552
>>20839592
>>20839596
>>20839629
>>20839661
>>20839670
>>20839725
>>20839864
>>20839927
Debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-bRM1kYuNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt-oiTh__OI&list=PLpzmRsG7u_gpMogZpIcZnS0BsD3z8_x3n

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>>20839072
>New Atheism 2.0 is pantheism
http://rantswithintheundeadgod.blogspot.com/2012/10/darwinism-and-natures-undeadness.html

"All are Undead
The answer, which isn’t widely appreciated, seems to be the following. Nothing in nature is living in the old, supernatural sense. But neither is anything natural dead in the corresponding sense, since the theistic intuition is that nonliving, dumb and blind matter can’t do the work of God, which is why God is needed to create everything--especially life on Earth. Natural forces are neither alive nor dead, in the senses given by the old intuition. Nevertheless, those forces do the work of God, but without being God and indeed without being alive even in the modern scientific respect. These forces, then, are undead, as are their products such as you and me, which is to say that the zombie stands as the best symbol for our intuitions to latch onto as we come to grips with the philosophical implications of Darwinism.

What is it to be undead? The word “undead” means that the undead thing is technically dead but somehow reanimated so that the corpse doesn’t stay dead. Undeadness is like spacetime, in that an undead thing has some attributes of the living and of the nonliving, but isn’t the same as either, given the old, naive way of thinking about them. Just as the concept of spacetime undermines the Newtonian theory of the absolute (observer-independent) dimensions of space and time, the concept of undeadness undermines the theistic myth of the gulf between living spirit and dead matter."

"Ironic Postmodern Pantheism
Indeed, this philosophical implication of Darwinism, that the ordinary notions of life and nonlife no longer make sense and that they need to be replaced by something like the idea of a baffling state of living death, amounts to an ironic, postmodern kind of pantheism. Darwinism not only zombifies but deifies all of nature, since the evolutionary process encompasses the cosmic preconditions of the emergence of life so that the whole universe is required to create life in a mindless, natural fashion. There is no personal God, but the universe as a whole in all of its interconnectedness does yield organisms as byproducts, as though the universe were a creator god. Nature as a whole isn’t personal, but social creatures like us will inevitably anthropomorphize evolutionary patterns. The divinity of nature is no majestic thing, since the cosmos is best understood as an undead monstrosity. Whereas prior to Darwin, educated people could attribute intentional properties to the universe, with no hint of irony since they could assume that a personal God created the universe as a machine, bestowing it with artificial functions, in our postmodern time we can only look on in disgust as the universe abuses our social reflex, compelling us to be overly friendly with what we know scientifically to be inanimate matter."

>> No.20840977 [DELETED] 

>>20840941
I already went through this particular line of thinking (which I then dubbed "extremely eliminative materialism" or EEM for short) back in 2020 when I was 17.

This is old stuff. The Truth lies deeper. But this realization is already quite near the Truth.
>>20840927
My enlightenment never came from drugs but from within. I was always smarter than others. This isn't an arrogant remark. I just mean the way I view the world and connect things that actually are connected but many people don't realize

>> No.20840985

>>20840941
I already went through this particular line of thinking (which I then dubbed "extremely eliminative materialism" or EEM for short) back in 2020 when I was 17.

This is old stuff. The Truth lies deeper. But this realization is already quite near the Truth. People disparaging this worldview heavily in the threads were actual hylics (even though they called me: materialist, bugman, even hylic, just for stating a simple physical truth)
>>/lit/thread/S15288934
this was before the drugs, mind you
>>20840927
My enlightenment never came from drugs but from within. I was always smarter than others. This isn't an arrogant remark. I just mean the way I view the world and connect things that actually are connected but many people don't realize