Fanged Noumena

[Anonymous No.20837127]

This is a non-meme thread for people who actually read it! What are your thoughts? Talk about whatever you want or found to be an interesting perspective. Favorite land-esque quotes?

[Anonymous No.20837132]

>>20837127
you have to actually say something interesting about fanged noumena yourself if you want to start a good thread

[Anonymous No.20837229]

>>20837132
Well for a lesser known thing, i thought Critique of Transcendental Miserablism was a good essay, delineating a kind of thought that was formulated in Capitalism Realism, but from a pro-capitalist perceptive. Even though it was written decades ago it rings true with how modern popular anti-capitalism sentiment functions, that you can see in movements such as the whole "antiwork" thing, "late stage capitalism", and with enviromental apocalyptic thought. Anti-capitalism becomes a sort of denial of the future, meanwhile capitalism continues it's synthesis...
to quote
"Hence the Transcendental miseablist syllogism: Time is on the side of capitalism, capitalism is everything that makes me sad, so time must be evil. The polar bears are drowning, and there's nothing we can do about it". Of course it's not critiquing actual marxist intellectuals but the average "anti-capitalist" normalfag you will find on reddit. This all links back to the landian concepts of time delineated in the rest of fanged noumena. Fixed, eternal time as proposed by plato --> kant; and by freud in oedipal thought ,versus lemurian synthetic time insurgency and hyperstition

[Anonymous No.20837342]

>>20837229

I don't really care to hash out the finer points of the book. He's right on just about every point.

But I've always thought it was odd to call Land 'pro-capitalist'. His belief in the inevitability of technocapital to dismantle a dialectical movement of history =/= thinking that capitalism is a good thing for human beings. I've always thought it was a bizarre misunderstanding of accelerationism, probably a bit of a strawman desu.

[Anonymous No.20837361]

>>20837127
I was reading this when I broke my engagement to my ex fiance in 2021. His early philosophical essays were surprisingly good, and after reading those I had less patience for his theory-fiction (which seems lacking in comparison). I was glad it was over, in the middle of reading it I stepped away and didn't read a page for three months

[Anonymous No.20837379]

>>20837342
Yes you are right, i just used "pro-capitalist" as a simplification, though nick shows a sort of inhumanism in his writing. "People are being treated as things! Rather than as … soul, spirit, the subject of history, Dasein? For how long will this infantilism be protracted?”." He doesn't value "human" desires as above other desire machines. The point being, he doesn't care whether capitalism good thing for human beings or not, rather than him being pro or against it. that's my reading.

[Anonymous No.20837468]

>>20837361
I can see why you'd think that. I was also pretty surprised with the first half of the book, I thought it'd be all theory-fiction but he goes into pretty complex "normal" philosophy in the first half.
To understand the theory fiction part better, you have to be familiar with a concept which i'm pretty sure is not elaborated upon much in fanged noumena, but is a CCRU staple: hyperstition. It is basically the concept of cultural positive cybernetic feedback loops, fiction transplanting itself from the virtual to the real. Think self-fullfulling prophecies. In CCRU cosmology, it is an essential element for lemurian operations against the One God Universe (Oedipian, kantian, platonic ideology; frozen time). Here's the definition from the CCRU glossary:
>Element of effective culture that makes itself real, through fictional quantities functioning as time-travelling potentials. Hyperstition operates as a coincidence magnifier, effecting a call to the Old Ones

[Anonymous No.20837555]

>>20837379

>He doesn't value "human" desires as above other desire machines

I disagree. He doesn't think that human desires deserve any prominence in terms of evaluating the cause of world-historical events (or events in general), in fact, he severely deprecates the human element as a historical force particularly in modernity. However, this isn't really a value judgement, just a reprioritization of what matters in the arena of philosophy. He absolutely does care that what he sees as technocapital (which is functionally identical to a transcendental force) is a horrifying proposition for the human species. He just doesn't believe that there is a viable line of flight.

>To understand the theory fiction part better, you have to be familiar with a concept which i'm pretty sure is not elaborated upon much in fanged noumena, but is a CCRU staple: hyperstition

I also don't believe that there were many actual attempts of hyperstitious intervention. I think the majority of the theory-fiction — especially what appears in FN — are just that: fiction allegories as an alternate method of parsing insights that would otherwise be caught up in dense tomes of critical theory. In many cases, Hyperstition was the phenomenon under investigation, but I've always thought it was a pretty blatant misread to diagnose the Hypersition blog & CCRU stuff as an attempt at some kind of techno-magick.

[Anonymous No.20838152]

>>20837127
Liked most of the book. Disliked Land's blind bergsonism in the way he thinks about time. He should have gone way beyond into the destruction of time iteslf ---but he didn't and then become the time ordino-cardinalizing crypto jew he is, with a bunch of brainrotten npcs following his jewish ramblings.

...And that is also the reason he equates Natura Naturans and Natura Naturata with Capital and not with Nature ---matter goes way beyond that.

[Anonymous No.20838178]

>>20837127
The Trakl-Heidegger text is absolutely sublime.

[Anonymous No.20838256]

>>20837127
Holy fuck you just reminded me. I had a dream last night, or maybe the night before last, where I had ordered Fanged Noumena online and I had to go to some farm and pick it up there. And when I went there I was like in the animal shed to pick it up but it had a brown cover and as I opened the book I realised that it was in czech for some reason. Why it was in my dream idk, I don't really plan on reading it any time soon and don't know what it's about beyond 'schizos' anally masturbating themselves with it.

[CEO OF CHUD GETTING POUCCY No.20838280]

>fagged noumena
What Anglos mean by this, bros..

[Anonymous No.20838316]

i don't get it. does anyone here get it?

[Anonymous No.20838392]

>>20837127
Land is a surprisingly clear and understandable as a writer. The supposed incomprehensibility is definitely overstated and merely a meme.

The first half of the book is very engaging, and Land thoroughly explains the core principles of each philosopher and writer he covers before or during his own thoughts and critiques of their theories. The essay on Kant might as well be a general introduction to the philosophy of the forheaded celibate.

I however can't stand how faggy Land has to make everything towards the middle and all the way up until end of the book, when he starts with the whole cybertechnobabble. And what did Gödel do to you? Huh, Nick? Why do you have to describe basic, albeit interesting math concepts, in such an overly edgy way?

[Anonymous No.20838403]

>>20838392

[Anonymous No.20838439]

>>20838403
But the end of the book is absolutely beautiful. The essay 'A Dirty Joke' is incredibly touching and humble. It shows Land's non-cybernetic, human side. I actually re-read some passages multiple times. Land is aware of his edginess as a personality trait and how cringy it can seem to others.

[Anonymous No.20838447]

Can someone explain how worshipping the capital demon would stop the positive feedback loop?

[Anonymous No.20838451]

>>20838403
How I envision Autism

[Anonymous No.20838458]

>>20837127
haven’t read it but curious as to what the books’s central thesis is?

[Anonymous No.20838517]

>>20838447
>stopp
who said anything about stopping

[Anonymous No.20838841]

>>20838316

[Anonymous No.20838869]

Are there any books I should read before getting into Dick Land? English isnt even my 1st language and I dont even have a triple phd in philosophy, so I am a bit scared that im not fast enough for accelerationism, and yet at the same time its the only thing that currently interests me and I dont even want to read anything else.

So is there Dick Land for slower people?

[Anonymous No.20838947]

>>20838869
trust me, nick land isn't that hard. that's just a meme. what you need is to read deleuze. deleuze is to accelerationism what marx is to socialism. to read deleuze you need some basic grounding in psychoanalysis (specifically, mostly freudian ideas, so you know what he is critiquing).
then you need to know some kant (specifically his critiques) but if you've taken a class on kant you will be fine. some people nick references a lot are artaud and bataille, and he's got some essays on Heidegger
that's about it.
something you might find fun is that nick land is nowhere near the end of accelerationism, and there's all kinds of offshoots which spawned afterwards such as Nyx Land (g/acc, cyber nihilism), L/acc (fisher), u/acc, all with philosophical grouding on their own right but mostly done on the cybersphere

[A Pneumatic !zHiZwFUpHY No.20838982]

Nick Land is a useless waste product of the rightoid binary-ideology machine, criticizing the Left while wholly cannibalizing on actual radical thought of actually leftist thinkers like Deleuze, Derrida, Baudrillard, Guy Debord

useless waste product and the fact that retards would rather focus on Nick Land than on all these other guys just makes them useful retards for the Elite without the retards even realizing it

[A Pneumatic !zHiZwFUpHY No.20838990]

in philosophy, there are only 2 kinds of revolutionary thinkers: the criticists, and the prescriptivists

Nick Land doesn't offer any actual prescription, just critique. which would be fine if he lived in the 1970s like Guy Debord. all ideas, both critical and prescriptive, have their place in time

but he does not

[Anonymous No.20839034]

>>20838841
Meds time