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[Anonymous No.20820407]

Girard's theory is so powerful
>destroys pagan ethics
>destroys subjective relativism
>establishes Christianity as the greatest intellectual development in human history

why do I never hear about him?

[Anonymous No.20820421]

i pulled some of his old papers in diacritics from jstor, they... weren't that great. he was kind of an off-brand french pomo guy for schools who couldn't get foucault or derrida.

[Anonymous No.20820445]

>>20820407
Forced meme

[Anonymous No.20821940]

>>20820421
He is nowehere near as good a writer as Foucault or Derrida. But their theory is nowhere near as impactful as that of Girard. Are you reading for pleasure or in pursuit of the truth?

[Anonymous No.20821958]

Who?

[Anonymous No.20821973]

>>20820407
>Girard's
Who?

[Anonymous No.20821979]

>>20820407
>>establishes Christianity as the greatest intellectual development in human history
stopped reading there, bye and saged

[Anonymous No.20821988]

>>20821958
Just another one of those postmodern French philosophers who, as Anglo university professors realize they've squeezed the previous philosopher dry of nonsense articles, becomes the latest, and increasingly futile, trend to force on impressionable grad students. About 10 years later, they arrive on the internet like a cannibalized whale corpse onto the ocean floor.
The sequence to date is: Barthes, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze, Baudrillard, Bataille, Girard, Virilio, Latour, Laruelle, Meillassoux.

[Anonymous No.20822025]

>>20821940
>He is nowehere near as good a writer as Foucault or Derrida.
Then just how bad a writer was he?

[Anonymous No.20822404]

He treats Jesus as a primitive ritual sacrifice victim, you mook. What the fuck sort of trolling is this?

[Anonymous No.20822489]

>>20822025
Pretty good, but Fourcault is one of the best prose writers in the french language. Not sure why you are insinuating they are bad.

[Anonymous No.20822572]

>>20821979
This

If you believe this, you've obviously been duped, and are most likely an immense sucker

[Anonymous No.20823885]

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[Anonymous No.20824772]

>>20820407
Every midwit has told me to read him. He is also close to Peter Thiel which I find creepy.

Is he really worth reading?

[Anonymous No.20824779]

>>20820407
based

[Anonymous No.20824846]

>>20822489
>Fourcault is one of the best prose writers in the french language
Then his english translations must be awful on purpose

[Anonymous No.20824930]

>>20822489
How to achieve Foucault's level of mastery in one's own language?

[Anonymous No.20825001]

>>20822489
he wrote like a /x/ schizo historian. yeah kinda funny

[Anonymous No.20825009]

>>20820407
For the same reason you don't hear about other Christian academics. Its about nepotism

[Anonymous No.20825393]

>>20820407
How old is this rock, pinhead?

[Anonymous No.20825581]

>>20822489
Maybe it's just a translation issue or that my Anglo sensibilities mean that I have a different idea about what makes a philosophical work well written, but both of their writings (Derrida's in particular) are notoriously and unnecessarily dense dense and ugly.

[Anonymous No.20825621]

>>20820407
>christer
>intellectual
kek ask him to prove his ideas

[Anonymous No.20825655]

>>20825581
They are both often praised for their writing in France (Foucault more so that Derrida). I think the style of Foucault finds a lot of sympathy because he uses history and the history of ideas to explicate his theories. Take the history of sexuality part one as an example, there the idea he is presenting is really very simple, but he allows himself to present it in many different ways, and thus ends up telling a sort of story of sexuality in general. It's like Hegel said: if the facts don't line up with the story, so much worse for the facts.

>>20825621
>prove ideas
that word does not mean what you think it does.

[Anonymous No.20825668]

>>20825655
>if the facts don't line up with the story, so much worse for the facts.
Never got that part. Wait...there is nothing in Hegel that I get and I am german

[Anonymous No.20825672]

>>20820407
>establishes Christianity as the greatest intellectual development
how? he argues Christianity is some profound answer to the scapegoating riddle but what does it matter? Maybe he's real, but nevertheless God *is* dead. He's not coming back, we're not going back. Society is leaving without Him, Christianity is not relevant anymore except as some purely personal decision

[Anonymous No.20825679]

>>20825668
It means that the rational is ultimately just another story about being, not absolute and not by essence better than other stories. Let's not forget that philosophy is a dramatic device invented in response to the tragedians. At the present moment humanity seems to be waiting for the next great story to sweep us away from the stumbling corpse of enlightenment rationalism, like Marx almost did, and Nietzsche almost did. Hegel is essentialy taking the side of Giambattista Vico, because he ultimately claims that stories, the poetic, is more fundamental than the rational.

[Anonymous No.20825733]

>>20825655
>that word does not mean what you think it does.
show me a resurrection sweatie

[Anonymous No.20825784]

>>20825655
>I think the style of Foucault finds a lot of sympathy because he uses history and the history of ideas to explicate his theories. Take the history of sexuality part one as an example, there the idea he is presenting is really very simple, but he allows himself to present it in many different ways, and thus ends up telling a sort of story of sexuality in general.
I can agree that his works tend to more grounded and be better structured than those of of Derrida an Deleuze, but I don't think that makes his writing good.
That being said, it's a fairly common belief in the English speaking world that the amount of philosophers who are considered good writers can be counted on one hand, so people like Foucault and Derrida may have never been able to meet those standards.

[Anonymous No.20826013]

>>20825672
Nevermind him, tradlarpers like him just can't handle that we still live in Rome, polytheism is still the patrician's choice, and Christianity is still the metaphysics for the masses and the plebian scum.

Go make me my food, Christian trash

[Anonymous No.20826352]

>>20821988
that was poetic.

[Anonymous No.20827198]

How does it destroy pagan ethics? I don't think pagans can really have ethics.

[Anonymous No.20827214]

>>20825672
The existence of God is not predicated on whether or not society at large accepts that existence and acts accordingly. To say "God IS dead" is either an unjustified claim or can't be taken seriously.

What's crazy about the proclamation is it's all that's needed for people go "well, God is dead, guess I can satisfy my baser impulses and delusions now, Nietzsche said so". It is actually retarded and delusional.

[Anonymous No.20827621]

>>20827214
God the person died because the "person" is not fundamental. What is fundamental is "power".

[Anonymous No.20827908]

>>20824772
His theory of mimetic desire is the only thing worth reading

[Anonymous No.20828226]

>>20822404
>He treats Jesus as a primitive ritual sacrifice victim
yes? also the one who reveals the innocence of the victim

[Anonymous No.20828344]

>>20827198
Aristotle wrote an entire book on this that every undergrad phil course reads. Go back to your crusader kings discord server

[Anonymous No.20828537]

>>20820407
looks like an evil Derrida

[Anonymous No.20829149]

>>20826013
suburban hands typed this

christians are the only free people alive

[Anonymous No.20830719]

what are you talking about here?

[Anonymous No.20830753]

>doesn't elaborate on his claims at all
Disregarded. Kill yourself OP.

[Anonymous No.20830821]

>>20830753
read Girard

[Anonymous No.20830842]

>>20830821
>goes to a literature board to spout buzzwords instead of having an actual literary discussion
Too late.

[Anonymous No.20830917]

>>20830842
>>actual literary discussion
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